and phase 3 , a century and 1 year later

lol ikr

stylus850 yea another 50 years phase 2 will be done

I mean it really wasn't the MTA fault

DaDurpster me too that's going to be my favorite

Gregory Francis Circumstances have changed since the rest of the system has built. Environmental regulations, traffic impacts, new federal regulations, etc.

When the system was built it was built by private companies. In comes the government, and it takes them years to build two miles of a line.

​@@IlDiavolo2515 subways can be built by governments efficiently, just look to Europe and Asia

@@petitkruger2175 True, but we’re talking about the US Government here lol

So much for "on time" . . . .

Raghunandan Reddy C At least they got it done!

@@mattyiannielli2067 But it isn't even all done, just a piece of what it was supposed to be.

Things happen. Just can't run over people, you know?

but Raghunandan Reddy C is in the 3rd world

JayY_FelixX Well, their will be 4 new metro north stations in the Bronx ahead of time, and 1/3 of stations is 33 will be renovations. One of them is here in Brooklyn on the R local train. Visit MTA website for more details.

Ariel Gonzalez Yup; Hunts Point, Parkchester, Morris Park, Co-op City are the stations

Correct.

you should see brooklyn, like holy shit, the amounts of garbage and green fungus and mildew , graffiti and broken stairs not to mention the overall aesthetics of the stations look like complete shit. And many stations no space on platforms, which is scary AF to stand on when you have a train coming at you at 50 mph while hugging a beam so someone doesnt push you onto the tracks. People coughing in your face in the train, picking their noses and sneezing into their hands then they touch the railing. Then the smell, like holy shit the smells of the stations makes you just want to hurl a few times before making it to work at 8 am...... No wonder people are grouchy when they get to their job..... they have to put up with the bullshit of MTA system at 8-am.

Lmao why would the MTA clean up stations that end up in the hood? They don’t give a fuck about us these stations aren’t near anywhere fancy

ArcticoFolf It has materialized

@Matty Iannielli “the *entire* line.”

ArcticoFolf Well the entire line will materialize in the future but at least Phase 1 has materialized recently.

@Matty Iannielli *”Within our lifetimes.”*

What about the cut & cover work done under Second Ave earlier, 1970’s maybe?

That’s big corrupted government for ya, here in WV we have been building an expressway for 40 years and have only gone about 15 miles only 10 miles of it has been paved and considered finish but there is nowhere to go on it. We put 50 million of the states’ budget on finishing at least phase 1 of the project but somehow the money disappeared the same will probably happen with this project, we have a joke that anytime a Democrat gets their hands on running a project all the money goes away and they mysteriously have 2 brand new million dollar homes in Florida and California

For big capital projects costing billions of dollars, two decades isn't bad at all

The tracks on the other side of Lex-63rd already existed.

Should have just left the el there.

MTA your subway system is awsome can you please bring back the V line in Queens to 145 Street, Manhattan

I was there today and so was that famous NYC smell.

+mainmedic Haha I guess nice things don't last.

We have to mark our territory somehow.

the fines for littering are a fucking joke. And the crimes are just horrifying, with CCTV that dont work or are of extremely poor quality, it take police 25 minutes if that to respond to an emergency, UNLESS its their own cops in trouble. If its a cop thats in trouble , it will take then 2 minutes to get there. if its public, it will take 30 to 45 minutes. and yet MTA makes 1 Billion dollars a month from all of its 24 million passengers a month that uses the system And we have a broken system that uses 19th century equipment. While other countries are already using MAGLIFT RAILS for their system And have high tech CCTV and massive police presence. BUT YET - NYC as always , behind a few centuries because they want to keep their 1 billion a month for their pockets. While NY'kers pay more and more for the fare and getting fucked at the same time. Our city should be extremely high tech and Hi security.

Brandon Wu it will be gone by yesterday.

Thanks

Thanks appreciated

Thanks man

It’s not that loud

i made sure it was super loud thanks man

Epicmexicanlol I don’t think there Cold War took materials for making weapons. It was more of an innovation competition, with activities like putting someone in space.

Kenny J in 230 years

Kenny J Don't worry, when Phrase 3/4 comes that when the (T) Train comes out.

Sharon Watkins U mean, phase.

MazariegoS U kidding me?

@@felox1715 lol!!!!!!

KnucklesV2 Which is true. If ever the SAS is ever extended to the bronx there are only a few areas that are not served by subway. Anything on the east side of the bruckner past hunts point, throngs neck, and importantly co-op city.

Alrucards they should just extend the 6 to co-op but I doubt it’ll ever happen

Alrucards or 3rd avenue

@@Alrucards I agree. I believe Co Op City deserves to have a subway there which is why I think the Disney train should be extended to Co Op City

darby31000 darby yes, having to walk 2 whole avenues is a real drag

Dialm4 Masala Thats gonna take huge time to do 3 more phases.

@TrainFan 2010 T train?!?

@TrainFan 2010 WTF never heard of that one before. What color is it going to be

@@Ricanson21 Turquoise

Phase 2 is underway

It actually went down during tunneling. So they'll rise but to "normal" levels which seems expensive if you moved in during tunneling.

Nicholette Casey well in any event, those living on the UES & east harlem, get ready to claim ur spot on the sidewalk becuz thats where u might be living in the near future due to the SAS.

whoo else Move to Brooklyn then ffs

Manhatten T lol

TransitShawn44 The T train is phase 3. When that is done, service will go from 125th Street to Houston Street. T service will eventually go to Hanover Sq.

Team Epiphany Tyler what

Team Epiphany Tyler explain better what ur talking about

it wont be called t line until phase 4 is complete which should take 30 years at least

(Don't press the 12:00)

I am grateful, we have the best subway, bus and commuter rail system in the country and continent.

Datboi 210 cant wait for the SAUCE Opening in 100 years xDDD

Blackjack115 finally

Ask somebody who lives in Queens or Brooklyn how that worked out for them. Or anyone who works after midnight.

It already exists, it’s rush hours only.

Then when 5e MTA does people like you begin to complain for The next phase

You need to see the Grace Commission.

Then tell your friends not to Fare Evade,Deface,Litter On the Subway Because it costs money to fix all that

@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 The money it takes to fix all of that is pocket change for the board execs

@@somedaybloomer1840 Tell it! That's peanuts compared to the MTA's fiscal mismanagement and incompetence.

Your comment aged well....

At least New York can claim this subway was under budget, although I don't know about on time. I know London's Crossrail is neither

I mean at least we didn't get delayed due to signals.

Love, don’t compare two different systems, in two different countries, and two different continents. Have a nice day.

Thank you..............

@Juan Carlos Rosario it was a joke. but china is building TONS of metro and high speed rail

Any extension of the IRT subway would be impractical due to the Rogers Avenue Junction, which is a bottleneck for the 2, 3, 4, and 5 trains. To resolve this, you can install two new switches just east of the where the Nostrand Avenue line splits off and you can have local trains to the Nostrand Avenue Line and the express trains to Utica Avenue and New Lots Avenue. More specifically: (2) (3) to Flatbush Avenue (4) to New Lots, stopping at Nostrand Avenue and Kingston Avenue. (5) to Utica Avenue (does not stop at Nostrand Avenue and Kingston Avenue). That way, you can have subway extensions without further compromising reliability of the 2, 3, 4, and 5 trains.

Lmao

I appreciate it

Exactly. I totally agree with you 100% on that my question is this what is the sence of building the second Avenue line if you are not going to put the 3rd Avenue line back up What they torn down is what they have to put back in place However I'm very excited that they are building the second Avenue line which is true needed now

Things have changed since then. Back then, it was like “Let’s build it here. It looks cool”. Now you have to deal with NIMBYs, community concerns, and other issues. You can no longer bulldoze through developed neighborhoods.

@Double B Utica and many other corridors have been built up, especially on the northern end of the corridor. You can’t bulldoze through nightly developed neighborhoods anymore without some compensation. This isn’t China with their poor human rights conditions. Some businesses will not even be willing to part with their property. I live by the southern end of the line and while it is light-industrial and commercial, many property owners are unwilling to give up their property that they have owned for years. 2021 is NOT 1901. Times have changed since then.

@Double B Eminent domain is a last resort tactic. Only if all options are exhausted. Also, an environmental study is needed since the construction is going on near homes and noise is going to be a big factor as well. The Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 study resulted in some Station entrance locations being relocated to prevent impacts. I hope you are not advocating for construction projects to be rushed. Environmental studies are MANDATORY.

@Double B The recent subway stations aren’t that deep. It’s more like the perfect depth for the surrounding area, and it’s convenient too. Hell even the stations in Washington Heights are deeper than the Second Avenue Subway stations or Hudson Yards, yet I don’t see you complaining about it. The depth of the station is actually a non-factor when it comes to station ridership. The Second Avenue Subway stops were tunnel bored, and they lie a considerable distance underground, yet it’s been a very busy line since it opened (72nd Street is the busiest of the three new stops). It’s proof that you can tunnel bore a station similar to Second Avenue Subway and it will still be successful. Going back to Utica, there will be situations where elevated stations will be needed, but that does not mean huh can use eminent domain and bypass the environmental impacts studies. They MUST be done to determine mitigation impacts, possible locations of station entrances and ancillary equipment, etc, all while taking community considerations into impact.

@Double B The SAS had taken a lot of ridership off the Lexington Avenue due to convenience of a one seat ride into Brooklyn, despite the depth of the stations. In fact, 86th Street on the Lex saw the largest drop in ridership going from 132,000 in 2016 to 94,750 in 2017, construction method of station a non-factor. The ride on SAS is also quicker than Lexington Avenue, entering and leaving the station also taken into consideration. As a result, service has been increased. In fact, I feel that all the new subways should be tunnel bored if possible.

Mamadou Lt Damn right it should, especially to serve Co-op City vía the Northeast Corridor.

Yes.

JustRant This is part of a line New Yorkers have waited a century for. It really has become a big deal because once these three stops opened, the nearby Lexington Avenue Line saw a decrease in crowding. Those 4, 5, and 6 trains now have more room to take in more passengers.

Just makes things more expensive & longer.

Things have changed since then, especially since this is a much denser area. You have to take into account community needs.

@@TheRailLeaguer True, you do have a point there

Which will complete in 3000 years later

NYCST How does a stuck window relate to this?

mr198221 Well, u have to use a metrocard for free transfer between 59th, and 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue.

Onix Navarro Don't worry other cities around the planet are better.

MazariegoS a

Donald J. Trump same

Worst fucking infrastructure New York. Liberals neglected subway now it's a shithole.

Travel Cool New York needs a new governor! Cuomo is a dictator! #impeachcuomo

Phase 2 of The Second Avenue Subway will be fully opened by 2025

Me too!!

@@mattyiannielli2067 2027 or 2029 :( Sorry but the MTA is just so fucking slow at just making 3 or 4 more stations.

The T is in Boston

I believe the entire Ⓣ Line is Phase 2, 3, and 4

Sorry but but if london hired world class architects for that than no thanks seems like a waste of money the stations look small and cramped with ugly colors.

This line took 4.5 billion to just build 3 stops. Are New Yorkers going to sit there and look at art. No we are not going to look at it. We just want to get to place to place faster with more opportunities. With out all of this art we would have the line extended to at least 125th street and a plan for it to go into the bronx.

Jorge Figueroa That’s Phase 3. Ideally it should be modified for 4-tracks and connections to the 53rd and 60th Street Tunnels. That way, additional lines other than the T can be run.

There's 4 phases in the project

TrainFan 2010 I’ve moved and live in England now

If they make haste, probably somewhere between 6-8 years

More like a train from brooklyn to queens, they don't have to deal with water and that'll save so many peoples time instead of taking 2 hours to get from brooklyn to queens

You probably can get a good lick in New York City.

And look your comment is 2 year old

Matty Iannielli Thats not true. Only one station related to SAS, Grand Street, opened in 1968. That station currently serves 6th Avenue express trains, but will also serve Second Avenue Local T trains.

JeremiahC99 I was just kidding. Construction initially began in the 1970’s but was halted due to cost overruns but resumed in 2006. The Second Avenue Subway Phase 1 opened on January 1st, 2017. The Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 construction will begin in Summer 2020 and will open by 2026.

Matty Iannielli 2026 does seem a bit optimistic, given what happened with Phase 1. Hopefully no more delays. However, the only delay needed is for phase 3. That section needs to be rethought entirely. It needs to be 4 tracks from 63rd Street to about 38th Street, with 55th Street and 42nd Street being 4 track, 2 Island platform express stops. At that point, the outer tracks merge with the inner tracks, with provisions for future express tracks. 34th Street, 23rd Street, and 14th Street be built as planned, but when the express tracks are built, they will be bypassed. The planned layup tracks will be modified so that they run from 16th Street to about Rivington Street. Houston Street will be built as an express station, but the outer layup tracks would be sealed off to protect layup trains from being tagged. South of Houston, the tracks could tie in to the existing Chrystie Street tracks to the Manhattan Bridge, digging only under the northern end of the Sara Roosevelt Park. The 6th Avenue express could then be rerouted to use the Williamsburg Bridge, allowing for increased 6th Avenue local service to Brooklyn. However, new capacity in Brooklyn, Queens, and somewhat the Bronx would be needed to make all of this work. So to prepare for this, at 63rd Street, where the outer and inner tracks merge, there would be future provisions for a new tunnel to Queens. 55th Street would also see new provisions for a new Madison Avenue Line to the Bronx. New local stations can also be built at 49th Street, 29th Street, and St. Marks. 14th Street would then be converted to an express stations (the station will be built with provisions to do so).

pacboy Actually, I forgot to mention (and I keep doing it somehow) is that what I’m not planning is 4 tracks from the get-go. Rather, what I forgot to add is that the line should be built with two tracks, but with provisions for another two tracks that can be built later at a cheaper cost.

pacboy Look to this page for some guidance: www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2017/05/the-future-of-the-2nd-avenue-subway/

That is completely true. We don't need Russian beautiful subways, just functional.

Jennifer Rose The larger station is for long term passenger volumes, which will be VERY HIGH.

Huh?

Ik Word 4 and 1/2 billion dollars.

William Erazo You still need that large station to accommodate the huge crowds. Remember: the system was not designed for the New York of today. The subway was designed for a different NY, when it had less people.

MTA needs to kick the government out and privatize the whole operation, then they might actually get some work done that’s how it used to be in NYC

loganbaileysfunwithtrains Except the Private companies; minus the old elevated lines, were built with money provided from the city via bonds. The city paid for it and then leased it to the IRT and BMT.