Investigating Baptism and the Evangelical Essentials Led to Catholicism (w/ Chris Kellam)

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The Cordial Catholic

The Cordial Catholic

4 ай бұрын

In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by Chris Kellam, a former pastor, an Evangelical seminarian, and a Catholic convert to share his absolutely amazing journey of conversion.
Chris' story is one of a serious Evangelical Christian - a pastor, working on his Master's degree at seminary - realizing that not every Christian agreed on some of the theology and belief he took for granted.
It began, for Chris, when he started working as a youth pastor at a church that practised infant baptism - something he'd never considered before - and began a deep biblical search into baptism, a search which led Chris to the Early Church Fathers, the practice of the very first Christians, and the beliefs of the Protestant Reformers - all to try and track down where Chris' own beliefs came from and why other Christians believed differently.
And that's just the beginning.
Questions about baptism led Chris to questions about what the "essential" beliefs were for Christians, why some of these beliefs were missing from the Early Church, and exactly what he ought to believe as a Christian after all.
Oh, and the conversion of a close friend and fellow seminarian to Catholicism comes out of left field, too!
It's such a remarkable story.
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@PInk77W1
@PInk77W1 4 ай бұрын
As a cradle Catholic I thank God for all the converts
@gather.sip.flourish
@gather.sip.flourish 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! We thank God for you cradle Catholics who have welcomed us home!❤
@DD-bx8rb
@DD-bx8rb 4 ай бұрын
@@gather.sip.flourish And thankyou for thanking us cradle-Catholics. We sometimes get a bad wrap! Welcome home sister. Pax
@thepic12
@thepic12 4 ай бұрын
Amen! Me too!
@mavelipprwrx1378
@mavelipprwrx1378 2 ай бұрын
Me too
@Catholiclady3
@Catholiclady3 3 ай бұрын
His story about the pagan standing on the side of the road running in and taking the scriptures and condemning the rest of the procession with it is brilliant
@DD-bx8rb
@DD-bx8rb 4 ай бұрын
Chris Kellam, thankyou for sharing your story and welcome home. Pax
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 4 ай бұрын
I honestly want to know how his first mass experience was compared to what he was used to as a protestant. Also how his eyes were opened when he realized in the NT that Jesus says that we are to confess our sins to each other and that the apostles and their successors can forgive the sins. Not that you pray to Jesus for forgiveness, Christ never asked that at all. With the Lord’s Prayer asking God to forgive us our sins as we forgive others who sin against us.
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg 4 ай бұрын
Hello! My first mass was definitely a lot different than most churches I went to growing up, but I had attended a few Anglican services in college so liturgy wasn't completely foreign to me. However, I almost ran into my friend when he geneluflected when walking and I was so confused why he was doing that 😂 lots of little things like that I kept having him explain and finally he said he'd tell me after haha. Those passages and others were definitely eye-opening for me. Once I re-examined them I realized there was no way as a Protestant to fit them into my theology without doing a lot of hermeneutical gymnastics
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 4 ай бұрын
@@ChrisKellam-yo3rg There is a couple of videos on this KZfaq channel Saint Margaret Mary Catholic Church BHC Titled - Gestures & Postures at Mass That will explain a lot
@gersonpinto8905
@gersonpinto8905 3 ай бұрын
To each other? or a priest?
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 2 ай бұрын
@@gersonpinto8905 Christ said to each other and that if the one cannot reconcile with the other to take it to the church. The church being a physical church where we now have bishops and priests that work for that bishop. This is why Paul in his epistles says that Jesus has made them ambassadors for Christ and that the church has the ministry of reconciliation through which they are able to forgive sins with the power Christ has given them.
@vinciblegaming6817
@vinciblegaming6817 3 ай бұрын
Praying for God to lead you to the truth and giving you the humility necessary for changing your wrong beliefs was what did me in. I was asking to be convinced of credobaptism. Instead, I spent a year being convinced on Mary, the Eucharist, and the Pope.
@ragnardanneskajold1880
@ragnardanneskajold1880 4 ай бұрын
Great Podcast and great hearing your story. I found it shocking, truly shocking that Chris, who grew up non-denominational gets out of school and becomes a Presbyterian youth minister? What? It seems that more times than not In Protestant circles if anything that is “essential” gets in the way it’s just moved to the “non-essential” column. That blew my mind! I really loved the logic used when describing the Bible and how it came about: “the canon had to be infallible.” Absolutely! I once read a quote from RC Sproule-(paraphrase) “an imperfect canon produced a perfect scripture.” His bigotry and bias ran so deep he could not or would not acknowledge the Church’s role in the canonization of Scripture! I also really like how you described how Luther and Calvin, and other reformers went around to “sell” their theology to Continental nobility- the simple fact is that the reformation was a convenient excuse for German nobles to seize Church money and land. At the end of the day, the action of the reformation was just that, seizure of Church property and wealth; Henry VIII anyone? Well done, great podcast.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@ragnardanneskajold1880
@ragnardanneskajold1880 4 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my - it is difficult for me, but I will pray for him.
@dsonyay
@dsonyay 4 ай бұрын
You’re such a polite guy.. a terrific representative of the Catholic Faith.. you’ve an outstanding interview style as well. I could never imagine us invading Canada any longer - you guys up there are just too nice. :)
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Gee whiz. What kind comments! Thank you! 😄
@dsonyay
@dsonyay 4 ай бұрын
And please take this as just a good natured joking from your good friends south of the border. :)
@ragnardanneskajold1880
@ragnardanneskajold1880 4 ай бұрын
We may have to invade Canada to save them from Trudeau then the can invade us to save US from the madness happening here now! 😂😂😂Oh Canada!
@clarekuehn4372
@clarekuehn4372 4 ай бұрын
Please invade and save us here, on the natural level. And pray for us.
@joselitonaranjo3234
@joselitonaranjo3234 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your story.
@Theosis2Peter
@Theosis2Peter 4 ай бұрын
God bless you Chris.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
God bless you too!
@matthewcauthorn9731
@matthewcauthorn9731 4 ай бұрын
Welcome home,God love you my friend.
@dsonyay
@dsonyay 4 ай бұрын
@52:40. The magazine that featured a picture of Mary on the cover.. I wonder if it was the Time magazine issue from the early 2000s… had to do with Mary and her role in Catholicism - I never read the article.. but remember the issue. It was a beautiful image used (possible like a Eastern iconic style).
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg 4 ай бұрын
Hello - it was the August 2020 version of Life magazine.
@sentjojo
@sentjojo 4 ай бұрын
3:03 "I appreciate that you're brave enough to listen to the podcast" lmao don't sell yourself short, Keith!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Ha ha. Thank you! 😂
@Lya3588
@Lya3588 3 ай бұрын
👍🙏
@thomasfcrowley9738
@thomasfcrowley9738 4 ай бұрын
I GREW up in the 50's and 60's, and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ALWAYS TAUGHT THAT BAPTISM MAINLY CLEANSED US FROM THE ORGINAL SIN WE AT BIRTH INHERITED FROM ADAM AND EVE AND THEIR SIN GAINST GOD.. AS THEY ARE EVERYONES FIRST PARENTS I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE TALK OF BAPTISM ASA OF LATE AND NO ONE MENTIONS THE ORIGINAL SIN WE ARE BORN WITH, TOM CROWLEY, CANTON, OHIO
@roddumlauf9241
@roddumlauf9241 4 ай бұрын
Thomas, the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of "original sin" is much more Biblical that the Roman view.
@larrys4383
@larrys4383 4 ай бұрын
The official teaching of the Church can be found in the CCC beginning with paragraph 1213-1284. Your specific inquiry may be found in paragraph 1263.
@roddumlauf9241
@roddumlauf9241 4 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my Good grief "Catholic Defender", why don't you know the difference between what the Eastern Church and the Western Church believe on the nature of sin and how they each define "original sin" ? Get an Orthodox Study Bible, which I carry to Church, and read what the Orthodox believe ( which is what the Early Church believed). I'm not Orthodox but they have it right in my view and are true to the Apostolic Tradition.
@palermotrapani9067
@palermotrapani9067 4 ай бұрын
@@roddumlauf9241 What Greek ECF do you cite that have a clear developed view of "original sin" before even 300 AD. Saint Clement of Alexandria, writing from Egypt is 1 of the first ECF to speak of a sin inherited from Adam, though he did not have a full developed doctrine to explain it. See Fragments of Saint Clement of Alexandria found in Fragment from Eusebius History of the Church. Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon in France, writing around 180 AD has an early doctrine on original sin, but again not fully developed. In his work Against Heresies he states " Indeed, through the first Adam, we offended God by not observing his Command then saying because of the 2nd Adam (Christ) we are reconciled. Origin in his Commentaries of Saint Paul's Letter to the Romans says the Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants for the Apostles new that in everyone there is the innate stains of sin. Saint Cyprian of Carthage writing to Fidus around 251 speaks of baptism and grace and again the need for infants to be baptized stating that infants have not sinned except that being born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of the old death from his being born....and states the sins being forgiven him are not his own but those of another. In summary, the earliest ECF on Original sin are from Saint Clement of Alexandria writing around 200 AD, Origen 244 AD, who would be in the Eastern Church with Saint Irenaeus writing around 180 AD and Saint Cyprian of Carthage 251 AD (West). So on what grounds do you say the Orthodox have the right view on Original Sin.
@Richie_roo
@Richie_roo 4 ай бұрын
He looks like the guy from rich men north of richmond
@stcolreplover
@stcolreplover 4 ай бұрын
lol
@richardbenitez1282
@richardbenitez1282 4 ай бұрын
As an old catholic dog I have always thought baptizing infants was a saving measure to insure gods grace in case of child dying before one is able to acknowledge Christ. As one knows most children died before the age of 1 until the more modern era. Naturally, the Hebrews practice of circumcised babies after just a few months was heavily influential. Now that I’m in senior center evangelicals tell me I’m not a full Christian because I was baptized Just a few months after birth.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
For an old Catholic dog you’re sure good at typing!
@ElishaD-rb8pv
@ElishaD-rb8pv 4 ай бұрын
catholics cannot be "dogs" Mt7:6, Rev22:15 etc
@user-ki2vh1uc5k
@user-ki2vh1uc5k 4 ай бұрын
Jesus never said that infants or little children couldn't be baptized. He never mentioned the age, only that we must be baptized with water and the holy spirit. 😊
@ElishaD-rb8pv
@ElishaD-rb8pv 3 ай бұрын
@po18guy even figures of speech can't be contrary to Scriptures where dogs are associated with impurity and heathen. You won't find a saint who ever practiced humility comparing or thinking of himself as a dog, even as a figure of apeech.
@dcramer1
@dcramer1 2 ай бұрын
Many Protestants are never baptized yet consider themselves Christians. It's odd that they think you're only "partially Christian". You're either a Christian or not a Christian, there is no such thing as part of you goes to heaven and the rest stays behind. I was Evangelical before converting to Catholicism, and I was very judgemental towards Catholics. But I was wrong, not just for being judgemental, but for my own ignorance of what Catholics believe and why they believe it. Arguing with many Protestants is like arguing with "flat-earthers". Just because they're strongly convinced "the earth is flat" (that they believe whatever theology they believe) doesn't make the earth flat (or them right).
@katiuszaYT
@katiuszaYT 4 ай бұрын
It's been driving me crazy trying to listen to this episode. For every 10 seconds of conversation there's another 30 seconds to 5 minutes of ad content
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know. I always set the ads at least 10 minutes apart but it looks like KZfaq reset the timings on me. I've fixed them. You shouldn't be seeing that many ads!
@MichaelGlowacki
@MichaelGlowacki 4 ай бұрын
@@TheCordialCatholicthank you for addressing this problem finally. I pointed it out weeks ago, and you dismissed my concerns. It’s especially frustrating when the ads contradict natural law or Church teachings. Again thank you.
@user-wk1li2cm5o
@user-wk1li2cm5o 4 ай бұрын
John 3:3 KJV Bible “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
@truthhurtsalways4u
@truthhurtsalways4u 3 ай бұрын
Here you are again. Im pretty sure you didnt watch the podcast nor watch this video. You just despise anybody who converts to His Church and starts attacking them . These people were Born Again Christians before ,but it was not adequate and fulfilling ,so they decided to seek for full and authentic Christianity and found it in His church !
@user-wk1li2cm5o
@user-wk1li2cm5o 3 ай бұрын
@po18guy By faith alone. That's what the scriptures say. Your popes first say anyone can be saved without faith in Jesus. It can be anyone that believes anything. Then they say only by the catholic 'church'. You should read what your false teachings say.
@user-wk1li2cm5o
@user-wk1li2cm5o 3 ай бұрын
@@truthhurtsalways4u Not adequate? You deny what the scripture says. People who are born again don't need a wafer or a priest.
@truthhurtsalways4u
@truthhurtsalways4u 3 ай бұрын
@@user-wk1li2cm5o you have a warped interpretation of that verse. The only one who can infallibly interpret Scripture verses is the Magisterium of the Catholic Church , not you nor me.Remember, the Bible came from the Catholic Church. Just to reiterate these Converts were former Born Again Christians. There are tons of books available at BN , Amazon authored by former Born Again Christians who are now Catholic. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions who were in your shoes before who are now Catholic. I myself was a Catholic became Born Again Christian but eventually reverted to His Catholic Church . Many Catholics who have became anti Catholic Born Again Christians , including some who became Pastors have also reverted to His Church .Just two days ago , i watcheda video of an ex Catholic , who became an anti Catholic Born Again Pastor, he and his family are now Catholic just last year. You should free your mind , read, read, read ancient Christian history and dig deeper!
@Catholiclady3
@Catholiclady3 3 ай бұрын
​@@user-wk1li2cm5o Where does it say faith alone. Does the bible just stop there or did Jesus have other teachings. You're ignoring all of his other teachings. Is your bible a single sentence? Did Jesus say nothing else?
@whathappening5323
@whathappening5323 3 ай бұрын
This was the result of not being in agreement with catholic:---- The followers of Wickliffe, then called Lollards, were becoming extremely numerous, and the clergy were so vexed to see them increase whatever power or influence they might have to molest them in an underhand manner, they had no authority by law to put them to death. However, the clergy embraced the favourable opportunity and prevailed upon the king to suffer a bill to be brought into parliament, by which all Lollards who remained obstinate, should be delivered over to the secular power, and burnt as heretics. This act was the first in Britain for the burning of people for their religious sentiments; it passed in the year 1401, and was soon after put into execution. The first person who suffered in consequence of this cruel act was William Santree, or Sawtree, a priest, who was burnt to death in Smithfield. Soon after this, lord Cobham, in consequence of his attachment to the doctrines of Wickliffe, was accused of heresy, and being condemned to be hanged and burnt, was accordingly executed in Loncoln's-Inn Fields, A. D. 1419. The next man who suffered under this bloody statute was Thomas Bradley, a tailor, and a layman; and a letter having been tendered him, which he refused, he was declared an obstinate heretic, and tied to the stake in Smithfield; where he was burnt alive, rejoicing in the Lord his God. The next person we read of who was tried upon this abominable statute, was William Thorpe, a man of some knowledge, who adhered to all the doctrines taught by Wickliffe. He was brought many times before archbishop Arundel, and at last committed a close prisoner, where he died, but in what manner cannot now be ascertained. About this time 36 persons, denominated Lollards, suffered death in St. Giles', for no other reason than professing their attachment to the doctrines of Wickliffe. They were hung on gibbets, and fagots being placed under them, as soon as they were suspended, the fire was set to them, so that they were burnt while hanging. Only one of their names has been transmitted to us, which is that of Sir Roger Archer[188] whom they distinguished from the rest by stripping him stark naked and executing him in that indecent manner. Reply
@isaaccarrejo7857
@isaaccarrejo7857 3 ай бұрын
Bro, you talk way too much just get to the point get to the interviews get to the fax as to why we need to convert to Catholicism
@dcramer1
@dcramer1 2 ай бұрын
His channel, his personality. There are other Catholic channels you can listen to if you don't like his style. Many of us enjoy his way.
@pastorcalebhankin522
@pastorcalebhankin522 4 ай бұрын
Where is the Biblical evidence for purgatory, indulgences, and needing to confess your sins to a priest? I don’t see any of those in Scripture.
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg
@ChrisKellam-yo3rg 4 ай бұрын
Hey Caleb! Good to hear from you. My first question in response would be what you mean by your question, because a truth can be contained in the Bible without being explicitly stated. For example, the word "Trinity" never appears in the Bible, but the truths and principles about the Trinity are, and when understood together we call this the doctrine of the Trinity. So if you're looking for a verse that says "practice indulgences" you won't find it, in the same way you won't find the words "everything we believe has to be explicitly stated in the Bible." That being said, here are verses that those doctrine can be found in: Indulgences - 2 Maccabees 12:43, 46 describes making an offering for the sins of the dead, which is what an indulgence is. In order to understand what that means though, you first have to understand the Catholic distinction between the eternal and temporal punishment for sins. Indulgences have to do with the temporal punishment (attachment to sin that I've already been forgiven for). The same principles are necessary for understanding purgatory correctly. I explained this somewhat in the video so I won't lay it all out again, but both of these are solidly built on biblical principles (see 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 for purgatory). For confessing sins to a priest, I think it's even more explicit in Scripture: see John 20:21-23. Jesus tells the apostles that by the power of the Holy Spirt they have the authority to forgive sins. To forgive another's sins assumes and demands those sins are being confessed. This authority was given to the apostles and their successors (bishops and priests). Of course God is the one actually forgiving, because he alone can forgive sins, but that doesn't mean God can't exercise that authority through human instruments if he desires, which he clearly does in this passage, and continues to do so in the Church today. Of course these passage and these interpretations can be debated - which is where the more fundamental question of authority comes in as I talked about in the video. It's not a question of the Bible vs. the Catholic Church, but a question of who is interpreting the Bible correctly. I can always send you stuff on this if you're interested. Hope you're well man!
@mfjh505
@mfjh505 4 ай бұрын
Great response and explanation.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Well said!
@palermotrapani9067
@palermotrapani9067 4 ай бұрын
@@ChrisKellam-yo3rg Great post. Regarding purgatory which is connected to prayers for the dead (as you note by citing 2 Maccabees 12:43-46), another passage that that I have really done more in-depth study on recently is 2 Timothy 1: 15-18. William Albrecht at Patristic Pillars did a presentation on this passage from Saint Paul and went through Saint John Chrysostom's Homily/commentary on this 2 Timothy (Homily 3 explains 2 Timothy 1: 15-18). While I have Catholic Bibles/Commentaries that indicate that Onesiphorus is likely is dead before Saint Paul wrote 2 Timothy thus indicating Saint Paul praying for the dead, and I think Chyrsostoms Homily 3 suggest that as well (I had not read that one in detail before), what William Albrecht did in that presentation is consult several protestant commentaries and note that also suggest that Onesiphorus is likely dead. Thus, Saint Paul praying for his friend here is called in these protestant commentaries a "pious wish"!!!. Kind of playing word games here it seems to me.
@truthhurtsalways4u
@truthhurtsalways4u 3 ай бұрын
The word “ Bible” cannot be found in the Bible itself. When my Protestant hairdresser went to the Holy Land. He looked for KJV . He was out of luck as Palestinian traders just sell Catholic Bibles. Literally all of them consider Catholics as the only true Christians and others are Protestants.some of them do not even know the word Evangelicals or Protestant based on videos ,I watched here on YT.
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