The side OPS for GZ are really interesting in how much stuff they are willing to hide from the player at first, then give you hints to follow so that when you replay the mission you will go looking for its secrets.

I like the theory that GZ is Venom’s ‘VR’ mission while he’s in the coma to help convince him he’s BB once he wakes.

As sad as I was at the time I've grown to appreciate the deliberate awesomeness of GZ and the painful burn of TPP.

If Glaz & Palitz are supposed to mimick Big Boss & Miller, then think about the glass eye and prosthetic finger. Mimicking Miller's photosensitivity & Venom's missing arm.

I agree with you in the idea that the English Parasite was created here. My main takeaway was the Subconcious Suggestion of being an unwitting asset in the development of super soldier technology. That may be a real world idea from the 70's as well. The ability to change your memory through subtle psychological manipulation to bring out desirable dominant traits is definitely something people are playing around with in the regular world, but it was a subject of study for a long time. I want to say more, but there is neither time nor space for that here. Until next time, Boss.

I like to imagine ground zeroes is the experience V has post real GZ happening. Ocelots hypnogogia, a dreamy paced sequence of events exposing the player to “suggestions” of what’s to come in TPP.

I never thought about listening in on that conversation between the Eye and the Finger. Nor did I listen to the dialogue by the captured staff or POWs. Interesting. Good video. Thanks!

Most of the MGSV and even Peace Walker take a MASSIVE turn in story when you understand that Kaz was always betraying Snake. In MGSV it's heavily implied that Kaz was working for Zero, and in Peace Walker he was working with Cipher. (Which is why I believe the attack on Mother Base actually had just as much if not more to do with Kaz as Huey, even if unintentional)

hey man, please don't shy away from analyzing small details like asset use in these games. I enjoy listening to the theories you come up with, piecing together overlooked content in MGSV. I think this is what makes MGSV so good. It's less about broad strokes and more about small little details piecing the narrative together. hope you the best! also, would like to see some videos about Huey, i feel like he's one of the most interesting parts of the game.

Everything makes so much sense when you realize Snake never has any clue what he’s actually doing. I went through all the games of this series happily bewildered by the plot. I knew I was missing a lot but i was never skilled or patient enough to find the answers in the secret conversations and data tapes. Thank you for the excellent information ❤

I can't fully remember, but I think I once read that the events of the side-ops are canon jobs that MSF/Big Boss took, but they don't actually take place at Camp Omega. But Deja Vu and Jamais Vu are *_definitely_* canon.

My heart jumped when I saw this. The exit guards in Renegade Threat appear to be vehicle crews, which also start to show up on missions with respawning enemies once you eliminate all the original soldiers the mission spawns in, which I always found strange. Glaz and Pulitz not having voiced dialogue when interrogated always weirded me out too

Surprised there was no mention of the soldier in the amphibious assault mission who talks about his torturer saying "nothing to be ashamed of, pain gets the better of us all" same words uttered by BB to Chico in PW. Shame there's so many loose ends in this game, stuff like this made me think there was a greater revelation in store.

I think ground zero was a dream like sequence for venom snake to try to relive big boss memory with his own interpretation or the information feed to him during is coma state and try him to become big boss with his fighting style and his sneaking pattern

Metal Gear will never die

The biggest question with the Side Ops canonicity status... A lot of the people that you can extract you can then transfer over to Phantom Pain, meaning they really were there and Big Boss captured them from the camp. But that implies that they bombed the site to wipe it clean, then rebuilt it right back to lure Big Boss again to try and save Chico and Paz... And neither Snake or Kaz say anything about it. But then again, the "heroes" in the Metal Gear franchise have always been pretty good at ignoring obvious red flags.

Loved how organic you sound in this video. Really feels like I'm listening a homie tell me about cool stuff that he found :)

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: this is scholarly-level work into the Metal Gear series. It’s incredibly valuable that content like this exists. I really appreciated the unscripted segment here and I must commend your humility in admitting when you may have gotten something wrong before. Keep it up, Jorin!

When it comes to this game I really cannot accuse you of tinfoil overdose. It's like when you're reading a good poem or a good book. And you sink into it for days or weeks, trying to catch every metaphor, every symbollic meaning. And of course some of them will be never intended by the author. But that's the beauty of art. It's not as much about what author deems "canon" and "intended", as it is about what each individual sees in it himself. And I find it really nice of you kind sir, that you don't spare breath and effort to share it with us. Cheers.

Great catch with the SANR logo. Don't think I ever noticed that one.

Just a quick tip - the "busy" cursor (that blue circle that is displayed instead of the mouse pointer when your computer is loading stuff) can be hidden by "Alt+Tab-ing" out of the game a couple of times. Thank you for the video 😉

My personal theory is that these missions that BB most definitely did not undertake are actually missions being done by V, and through the suggestive hypnosis, comatherapy and facial reconstruction V goes through at Cyprus, he now believes these were Boss' missions, his actions and memories with BB's face painted over

When I first heard the eye and finger talking... it sounded like voice manipulation and reminded me of the medic being Kiefer dropped in tone

The appreciable detail of GZ is that a lot of people felt ripped off when it first came out because they felt it was nonsensical to charge $40 USD for a " Demo". Yet, 8 years later, we are STILL uncovering new details, easter eggs and story content... Kojima is KING... no... KOJIMA IS BOSS!!!!

Heyy, glad to see another vid dude. I was actually just looking into these dates literally yesterday! The whole episode of these side ops happening in December '74, then with the supposed March setting of the main mission, there seems to be something wonky with that timeline. I think the whole thing really depends on when the Peace Day celebration was planned to happen. I kind of assumed it was probably sometime between December 25 and January 1, as that would just make the most sense for that kind of celebration. Christmas makes the most sense to me, as MSF would probably want to make that holiday one more their own and less one tied to any one religion, especially Christianity. I wonder if the main mission's actual date wasn't closer to early January 1975, since we know after the ZEKE incident, Paz was captured, then Chico snuck over to Camp Omega in the days following, and a total of 10 days after confirming Paz was captured had passed before the mission was a go. I think it's very telling that all these captives can quote Big Boss from Peace Walker so accurately. Skull Face himself says these lines to Chico in one of the tapes of his interrogations. I am prrrrrretty sure that Skull Face is the OG Big Boss. The "Big Boss" of GZ is probably the Medic from the original events, and if there's a "simulation" layer on top of that, that simulation is probably being played by Venom in the future. It's very likely "Skull Face" had been running XOF and other organizations behind the scenes in a secret war against Zero. He and Miller probably captured Paz after the ZEKE incident and brought her to Camp Omega to interrogate her, and then leaked the intel to MSF while Kaz also played the Medic to rescue Paz, as MSF probably wasn't aware of XOF. Big Boss probably had MSF attacked himself, and this was probably not something Kaz knew was going to happen, so Medic shows up and rescues him while Big Boss takes off with Huey to begin Sahelanthropus. Big Boss was probably conducting his own experiments beyond Cipher's purview at Camp Omega, and this probably brought the two elements in conflict, with Zero using MSF and Kaz & Medic to stand against the now rebel Big Boss who was probably running XOF behind the scenes since the 60's.

Excellent video. I loved the open discussion at the end. I believe that Kojima has a lot of hidden details that allows us, as the consumer, to keep deciphering the cipher. I’m a huge fan of Ground Zeroes and love any video you make on it. Keep up the excellent content.

With kojima I don't think there's enough reading into the foreshadowing of this game. People really underestimated it's depth just cause the story mission is so short.

Thanks for your insights, it amazes me how much content goes undetected while on a normal playthrough. Great work.

The subtitles for the audio call overlaid onto the gameplay was a nice touch, especially since they kept the style of the games' subtitles. Nicely done as always!

This channel is criminally underrated.

It’s always a chill day when u upload

The secondary/ancillary content of GZ was so much better/more substantial than TPP. The ratio of time feeling well spent versus time wasted was much better, which made GZ feel like a much better package overall. I wouldn't had mind TPP taking a hundred hours to do everything if it was paced/executed as well as GZ.

I have a bout five minutes left on the video, but your mentioning of the soldiers' coughs and the english parasite, would explain the bombing run from the other side ops, to cover up that experement.

Man, the GZ sneaking suit is so damn cool. I love that it is an evolution of the Peace Walker sneaking suit, which I like most, which is also an evolution of the Portable Ops selneaking suit. So damn cool. The TTP sneaking suit is damn cool too, looking more like the sneaking suit Solid Snake wears in MGS1. It also seems to be an evolution of the GZ snealing suit as it has the same circular nodule things that the previous suits had. Now that I think about it, wth are those circular things, and what do they do?

Really enjoyed the off the script section. Strong work

Sir, your videos and essays are at a crazy high level. I love your stuff sir! Like there's so much that I think is going on, and you just somehow verbalize my thoughts for me!

24:12 that smug bastard, you gotta love him!

There's always something else with the metal gear games. Thanks for the video, boss

Best channel on KZfaq right here. I've been devouring these videos.

I'm having a hard time believing that GZ is real at all. 0) Venom (the player), is lied to at all times, manipulated and hypnotized by his masters (Cipher & co). On top of that, Venom clearly is not a reliable narrator, between his memory issues and his hallucinations. 0.1) "Cipher will rewrite the records", said Skullface. He knows that Cipher does it, possibly because they've already done it with what happened in Cuba, meaning that what we are playing in GZ may be the rewritten version of what actually happened. Cipher rewrote everything that happened here. 0.2) Cipher is in charge of Venom's hypnagogia. "I made another Snake", said Zero, meaning he's the one who directed Venom's implanted memories. What we see in GZ, if it is indeed seen from Venom's memories, is potentially what Cipher rewrote as History, as facts. 0.3) "There are no facts, only interpretations." 1) BB asks Kaz if he should eliminate Paz & Chico before they speak. Not very MSF-friendly to murder non-combatants, let alone children. 2) "Give her the shot already!" pronounced by Kaz['s voice actors], while Skullface tortures Paz - Kaz is both at MB and with Skullface? How? When? 3) "Eliminate the renegade threat" - Renegade, noun: "a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles" 3.1)Renegade 1: Eye, the spotter + Wearing the same sunglasses as Kaz, he designates targets for his colleague, like Kaz. + Missing an eye, while Kaz loses both eyes (seemingly replaced by parasites) = Clearly a mirror version of Kaz 3.2) Renegade 2: Finger, the shooter + Vaguely resembles BB, he pulls the trigger (figuratively and literally) on his sunglasses-wearing colleague's command, like BB. + Missing a part of his hand, while Venom (the other half of Big Boss) is missing his hand. = Clearly a mirror version of BB (both Naked and Venom) 3.3) BB & Kaz are the true renegades in the eye of Cipher. They work within its system, yet also plot against it. Their ability to work together, in the shadows (Kaz) and in action (BB) (like the duo above) make them the real threat. 4) Hideo, the MSF intel agent, is wearing his MSF uniform, not a Marine's BDU. Why? Why such an oversight? Kojipro went as far as giving Hideo a unique model and are known to have a great attention to detail, but somehow missed this uniform? If it's intentional: why? How do you walk around in this base with an enemy uniform? Sure, it looks cool, but what is the logic behind this outfit? It works in video-game logic, in a *simulation*, but not in reality.

Hey man great video. Hit or miss perhaps only because I like you and no doubt many others really dig the shit out of MGS5 GZ and PP I truly look forward to and enjoy your content. 8 years later and thanks to the effort and details from everyone involved it keeps giving and giving while my other games just collect dust on the shelf. I replay it multiple times every year especially after some solid ideas via your video essays. Keep up the excellent content and honestly thanks man.

Great video!

Great video.

Interesting theories!

Always loved GZ's side ops.

Another great video as always. Keep up the great work! o7

I’m starting to believe that nothing is real in MGSV GZ and TPP and at the same time everything is real.

Please float any theory you have man. I seriously feel so freaking lucky that I just found your channel tonight. This is the EXACT kind of stuff that I love.

Anyone know if Jorin's okay? It's been a while and I'm getting worried

Loved the mgs5 games, great vid

Awwww yeah! I missed your content! But at the same time, it's just interesting to here your commentary on the various lore and comparisons, your witty and intelligent... so please don't over work yourself, cause these videos probaly take alot of time on top of having a real life Thank again for producing this stuff though, it's certainly appreciated by your fans and those if the games :)

I feel like the line about "enemy combatants" being renditioned is supposed to be a parallel to how you fulton enemys in tpp

Hey man chasing zebras is fun, sometimes there's something there, sometimes it's just a cardboard box. >The Twin Snakes has a VR Target in the Metal Gear REX room >The Twin Snakes doesn't feature any VR content in general >Coincidence? I THINK NOT! >The Twin Snakes was Raiden's VR training in addition to the Tanker chapter of MGS2 >All the meaningful music and moments from the original is replaced with Hollywood-esque action and electro-thriller music >Snake says VR can't prepare you for the real battlefield IE: The quiet moments of nuance between these "super-soldiers" they're the enemy and you HAVE to fight them, but they're still human. >"So why are you still here then? You enjoy all the killing, that's why!"

Futurasound productions would you be interested in creating a video called, “why you should play MGS” it’s a concept for a video I’ve yet to seen be made on KZfaq with a serious production behind it and I think you would be perfect for the job, something spoiler-ish free with might help make the series more approachable for people looking into MGS, just a insightful video into what is MGS and why you should play it pretty much

I love to save your videos for when I'm eating my dinner always makes for an interesting view 👍

Yesssss!!!!!! Futurasound new video! I will be unavailable for the next 30min

in eliminate renegade threat there's the same particle effect as when the cloaked skulls attack

its weird to ask this but I have just found you channel and got really into the What Even Happens Videos and I am curious are you going to do a Ground Zeroes series or did you not think it was long enough or something?

I almost feel like Hideo Kojima was no doubt inspired by the movie "A Few Good Men" for this games location.

I’ve been hunting these myself recently :)

The last 2 Kojima Productions digital playable novels have been a wild ride, even figuring out what they were. Now that I know what I'm looking for. I'm just as excited for the next Kojima Productions game as I was after I beat MGS2 in 2001

Kept us waiting, huh

Hell yeah let’s go

SPOILERS FOR PHANTOM PAIN AND PEACE WALKER I hear that Ground Zeroes is the interpretation of Venom Snake of what they tell him was the Ground Zeroes incident when they were hypnotizing him, the reason I think it sounds credible is that at one point Kaz told "Big Boss" that they (Kaz and Big Boss) trust Paz from the star, but in PW, Kaz said that he knew about Paz from the start, and in another chat between them, they talk about "silencing" Paz, but from what we know about the Big Boss, he cared about Paz even after the betrayal.

Recently 100%ed this game would be my favourite mgs if it was a complete game

My favorite mission from Ground Zeroes was the Deja Vu one.

I now have a sudden interest in playing the MGA saga again just to see whatever little details I missed.

MGS V 💙. Loved your essays on this #MGS

21:21 has anybody else mentioned this before, ever?

Big Trouble in Little Cuba

Your right. Your right. Your right. They mirror boss and Kaz.. So many things imply this..

Dude you hit the point ... Your video is what are make me more intigrated ... Because i think in another game some body say that ... "Let the words reconfort you "... That person was on cuba to ...maybe was ocelot ...but I really dont find out yet .... 🤔🤔🤔 Thanks for the video and ground zeroes is amazing .... Masterpiece . 😙👍

One theory i like is that none of these side-ops happened heck even the main mission, but are all put into Venom's mind to make him think he's Big Boss. In PP you wake up and are told about your history through pictures just like how the missions are shown in GZ. Also in the main mission of GZ Snake's character is a total 180 from Peace Walker even though it's supposed to take place 1 year after Peace Walker, like how he calls Paz a target and asks if he should kill her and yet in PW he shows sympathy towards her at the end of the game.

🍿 Nice

Fun fact: eye and finger appear in phantom pain, they can join your team at one point

This is the kind of intrigue i expected from Side Ops of phantom pain. Sadly it wasn't in the cards for kjp.

I definitely believe that the GZ side ops, and maybe even the main mission are part of Venom Snake's brainwashing

Uhm great vvideo as ah always. Ggreat hm insight abbout the possibility of the English aah strain already in hmm camp omega. And another example of ahh weirdly placed assets like those boxes where venom plugs in the idroid, hum are the trash cans and portable toilets, that are only I'm GZ just to be used for climbing them. One other thing about foreshadowing a future, if you take a look up in the fences of the old prison area, you.can see little sparks thunder like animations, like saying those fences should.be electrified. Thanks for the content and the motivation fuel

Deja & Jamais Vu waiting patiently to be analyzed… 👁👄👁

to me, the voices of Eye and Finger sound the almost exact same as the voices of snake and kaz but digitally altered. its probably generic npc voices digitally altered to sound *like* them though. cant really tell

the player gets played "like a damn fiddle"

I like the theory that GZ is real not the venom training

If you like researching mgs influences you must watch the Last season of lost where the submarine blows UP, is the end of ground zeroes

I thought Ground Zeroes side ops missions was the Hypno Therapy used on Venom Snake while in a coma

Boss! o7

I love you.

I definitely appreciate the more unscripted commetary, feels more genuine in my opinion

Kept us waiting, huh?

I beat mgs v a few weeks ago and still had some side missions left. I tried playing those.....but it just wasn't the same without Quiet 😕

Head canon: The medic is the bandage man in tpp. Your avatar is not venom snake original face, or at least, the medic face, if you believe the medic and the player is actually two separate individual. I found it very strange when you can edit your avatar into different race but end up change into a white mid-age man. If the avatar is the extension of the player, meaning that avatar is player's face, player's memories, not the Medic. Venom Snake is a product of medic's body and big boss' soul and the gz is a vr mission for the player adopt the big boss' soul and mind, his past and experience. The Truth mission is only YOUR interpretation, it only became Venom's because you as a player, playing the role of Venom Snake. I found out that the medic face and bandage man face is surprisingly same, but never the avatar's face. I believe that in the prologue and the truth mission, the bandage man is representing the consciousness of medic, not big boss, Ismael may never exist, as we all know Venom is not a relable narrator. The reason of Ismael being masked is Venom unconsciously forgot who he really was, he cannot remember his face, and the truth is no more than a bigger lie to cover up his real past, but one thing for sure, we, Venom Snake, decided to give up the true past and take the mantle and big boss face and live with it.

Anyone else hear jotaro at 11:09?

Do you play both Xbox and PlayStation or pc

Noice

Interessante

When will there be more videos?

P.T is like Bloodborne dlc ..... Tangled nightmares

Have you met hideo?

Phantom pain wasted skull faces potential. He was made to sound like a monster and a genuine threat in the ground zeros tapes and dialogue. But he only shows up In like 4 or 5 mission cutscenes We never got a proper boss fight against him! Wtf! Have a mission. Where you are trying to stop him from escaping to Africa where you fight his helicopter while he is using the choppers guns and being hunted by xof soldiers. Have a mission where he captures you and forces you to do a mission for him to do something like burn a innocent village like was shown in the I'm a trailer.

SHIPHAH

Orwell was right.