Is A Manual BMW M2 Competition REALLY Much Better?! Ft Joe Achilles

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5 жыл бұрын

The BMW M2 Competition is incredible to drive BUT, Is a Manual M2 competition the better car?
Thanks to Joe Achilles i was able to drive the BMW M2 competition in the form of the manual. What did i think? Find out in the video!
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@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
*Morning all! Hope you enjoyed this one. Make sure to check out Joe’s video for the DCT point of view! Also get involved in the competition to win an M2C!*
@MrAmzey1
@MrAmzey1 5 жыл бұрын
ACS Suspension and spacers, you didn't mention anything about them, any difference you felt ?>
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would go for the M2 with the manual transmission because it is about driving the car and enjoying it
@15october91
@15october91 5 жыл бұрын
The drone shots are really good!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to joe! My drone is still lost somewhere in Spain 😂
@krasnaludek298
@krasnaludek298 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going DCT, because I don’t live out in the countryside. Had plenty of manuals, but rowing through gears in traffic gets old. The automatic setups in these cars give you the best of both worlds.
@c2soul379
@c2soul379 4 жыл бұрын
I really love this puppy with manual
@robertolombardi3698
@robertolombardi3698 5 жыл бұрын
Even more of a reason I'm glad I sold my M2 and awaiting delivery of my Comp, looks a hell of a lot better than the original. a really good comparison. I've gone for the manual by the way.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome mate! Ah man the S55 engine alone is worth the upgrade :) you will love it! 🙌🙌
@DC5dotty
@DC5dotty 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve spoken to a few owners who have changed and whilst it’s an improvement the owners have said it’s not massive and given the choice they wouldn’t have done it .. on the other foot some have said they would.. I guess it’s what boils down to your preference.. if I made the switch it would have to have the 437 wheels for one and straight away the exhaust aesthetics / noise would need to be addressed. That cow udder look is not cool. Both good cars, and the general consensus is if you have an m2 then keep it , if you don’t have an m2 then the comp would be the one to have. Food for thought as an m2 owner , I would love those seats, and M1/2 buttons.
@peterwood2633
@peterwood2633 5 жыл бұрын
@@DC5dotty not really 'one to have' though. You've got the uses market and potential of saving £20,000 before even paying interest on a PCP comp. So is the comp £20,000+ better? Unlikely
@floridamaddogg
@floridamaddogg 5 жыл бұрын
@@DC5dotty I was a former "regular" M2 owner and had the manual. Mine was a 2017 model. 2 months after I got mine, the LCI M2 came out, then 6 months later the M2C was announced. I wasn't very happy with BMW how fast everything changed and I felt I was gipped. My car was old within first 7 months of ownership. I wanted the S55 engine in mine so the M2C had things i wanted. I couldn't afford to trade mine in and get a new M2C and i knew the resale value of the M2 was going to drop soon. I actually had a bad dealership experience with getting my car and it tainted my overall BMW experience from the beginning (first time BMW owner). I said screw it, i found a car I really wanted more, which i should have just gotten before the M2 and traded it in for that. I agree with you, I don't like the M2C wheels at all. Look terrible IMO. The original M2 wheels so much better and the exhaust area muffler is horrendous. I would not have liked that either. I look back and sometimes think about M2 and miss things about it. If the M2C never came out, i'd probably still have it. Hope you guys all enjoy your cars! Just throwing my thoughts out, lol.
@juancruz-jg5pq
@juancruz-jg5pq 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunetly the M2 competition ( 3600 lbs ) its 110 lbs heavier than a 2018 M3 ( 3490 lbs) and 150 lbs heavier than standar M2 (3450 lbs affecting its agilty while cornering regsrdless of hp. Weight play an important role n racing applications. As a competition vehicle thwy should have removed weight. Very dissapointed.
@malcolmscott4150
@malcolmscott4150 5 жыл бұрын
Great collaboration - M2 fun with DCT or manual - surprised BMW didn’t spread ratios of manual car so that top gear in 6th in manual car = same rpm in 7 for DCT to maximise consistency between the 2 in terms of performance and fuel usage - love lowered car with joe’s mods 😍
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 🙌🙌
@AutoPilotgogogo
@AutoPilotgogogo 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing edits/production at the start of the video. Well done!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙌
@stevecole1984
@stevecole1984 5 жыл бұрын
Love both vids , good to see a comparison of the same model between manual and DCT. Being brought up in the 80s and been in and driven some awful automatics , I cant see further than a manual gearbox. I would be tempted to try a newer car though.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Steve. Yeah the newer boxes are just so much better than those of old. The ZF in the M140 is just epic. Can’t beat a good manual for a connecting drive. Especially when out on a proper hoon :)
@drew2548
@drew2548 5 жыл бұрын
Why dumb down the experience and enjoyment for easier "day to day" driving. I cant imagine too many people who have one of these use them as a daily driver. This car imo is aimed at being a toy for purists/enthusiasts, therefore almost has to be a manual. I just cant imagine getting the car and muting the "fun" aspect it provides to make for an easier to drive day to day experience.*JUST AN OPINION* With that said I was brought here by Joes channel, I do own this car, M2C in LBB in a manual, and this was an awesome video. Thanks
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas 🙌 good input and thanks for heading over man. Appreciate it 👏
@andyp8464
@andyp8464 5 жыл бұрын
why is it unreasonable to use it as a daily ?
@drew2548
@drew2548 5 жыл бұрын
@@andyp8464 I really dont think it is unreasonable. This would be an outstanding dd in DCT form. My train of thought was "This car imo is aimed at being a toy for purists/enthusiasts." ....smiles per hour. So if the car is aimed at being a blast, which we can see it is, why use it as a DD? Why dumb down the involvement to make it fit to your lifestyle? Max it out in the fun dept, get a manual, use your Prius or whatever to get around, and use this when you want to have a riot.
@markburton5170
@markburton5170 5 жыл бұрын
Manual for a daily driver for me
@andyp8464
@andyp8464 5 жыл бұрын
@@drew2548 that's definitely one way of doing it but it isn't the only way. my wife allows me one car, so it has to tick as many boxes as possible, especially safety, space for a child, practicality , reasonable comfort and then anything else is only a nice to have . and I would rather walk than drive a Prius in any case ;) on the manual transmission side of things , I've done auto and dct since 2016. never looked back. I drive 10k miles a year , with only 1k of those miles for work and a fair amount of that is getting stuck on the M25. I do miss a manual every once in a while but I think but most times dont notice any more. even better is knowing exactly what your car can do , where its limits are , no matter what its transmission, and then being able to play around with it when possible / appropriate. overall I think a car with flawed handling and mediocre performance is better than having performance cars as it is easier to reach the limits in normal circumstances. otherwise it is too tempting to push a high performance vehicle hard and then there are always speed limits spoiling the fun .
@BLRayBanUK
@BLRayBanUK 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! I can now start looking at BM as a genuine choice.
@NICKFOXTV
@NICKFOXTV 5 жыл бұрын
Another great comparison mate! I think I would probably edge towards DCT but I need to try both!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌🙌 thanks mate
@233815
@233815 5 жыл бұрын
manual is the best 😛
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌
@00international
@00international 5 жыл бұрын
Great therapy for me. I have the DCT and always wondered, should I have got manual. Looks like it doesn’t matter 😍
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Yep! Both fantastic cars 🙌🙌
@Keawe8221
@Keawe8221 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. DCT means lay back, don't care. Manual means hardcore and we do care about raw driving experience.
@deanwebb8056
@deanwebb8056 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual Stefano. 👏🏼 Totally love your editing style and those transitions... killin' it lad!!! 👊🏼 Great content from Mr BMW too. Be interesting to see a drag race against your A45. 🤔 I've got the DCT on order so you've more than reaffirmed my decision > THANKS! What's your thoughts on Hockenheim Silver... what colour you reckon you'd go for if you were to order one?
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
I love H silver. Looks epic! Like it in black too but H silver makes it known it’s a comp much easier :) You will love it man. Thanks for watching 🙌 would be a good race vs the A45
@petervanpuyvelde8959
@petervanpuyvelde8959 5 жыл бұрын
What surprises me is that nobody mentions the ridiculous price tag of the DCT. In Belgium, we pay 4000€ for it extra. Man you got a small second hand commuter car for that price!! I am a manual kind of guy, but even if I was tempted to try out a dual clutch box, I never would spend that amount of money on it.
@juancruz-jg5pq
@juancruz-jg5pq 5 жыл бұрын
M2 cp( 3600 lbs ) its 110 heavier than a 2018 M3 ( 3450 lbs ) and 150 lbs heavier than standar M2 (3450 lbs) . M2 CP its too heavy for such a small vehicle and for competition regardless of hp .
@SuperDigitalMe
@SuperDigitalMe 5 жыл бұрын
Ik koop volgende week een 2 de handse M2 handbak, een premium selection
@mikewibberley2380
@mikewibberley2380 5 жыл бұрын
Well done Stef...brilliant video with all the action shots. I agree about the sound inside the car...I loved the 'fake' sound in my M135i. 🖒
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you mike! 🙌🙌
@markburton5170
@markburton5170 5 жыл бұрын
I also drove Joe's car and found it rather quiet. I find I like the sound it comes with as standard - and most of the time I'm not conscious of the sound being fake.
@AnupC
@AnupC 5 жыл бұрын
Great intro shots as usual!! 👌🏼👌🏼
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 🙌
@shikarbabulall3897
@shikarbabulall3897 3 жыл бұрын
If DCT is so good how come the guys threw it out and replaced the collectors edition E46 CSL with a manual?
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 3 жыл бұрын
E46 m3 used SMG gearbox not DCT
@shikarbabulall3897
@shikarbabulall3897 3 жыл бұрын
@@StefABtv oh sorry
@nurburgringuk
@nurburgringuk 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that Stef! Thanks for putting the effort in an making a great video!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙌
@advaittashok3099
@advaittashok3099 5 жыл бұрын
bro good video and superb cinematography....keep it up
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you man
@advaittashok3099
@advaittashok3099 5 жыл бұрын
@@StefABtv yeah...BMW m2 fan nation
@tarmacsurfers
@tarmacsurfers 5 жыл бұрын
Yo boi 🤘🏻just subbed from Joes channel. Great review/comparison from you both. I bought a 67 plate f80 comp dct 7 months ago with 7k on the clock. The decision to go for dct was one that I laboured over for months but it the end it came down to I couldn’t find the exact spec I wanted in a manual. I guess I got impatient. Previously I had the last 2 gens in a manual and I am that guy who says real drivers go manual. The only things I miss are, yes the involvement but also I used to enjoy stabbing the clutch to instigate over steer where as in the dct you have to work harder to achieve the same effect but shifting its weight and stabbing the throttle. Either way like you said both still offer a great driving experience in different ways. No wrong decision 👍🏻
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much mate. Ah man awesome choice of car! Yeah agree with you on the clutch stab for oversteer. Yeah man, both variants offer are better at different things. Thanks for watching man and subbing! 🙌
@tarmacsurfers
@tarmacsurfers 5 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@blablablubblub2862
@blablablubblub2862 5 жыл бұрын
Bmw last real cars.
@xno1981
@xno1981 5 жыл бұрын
Hi mate sorry for the late comment lol ... but I’ve had no internet for few days and I’ve only just managed to watch the video and honestly I would prefer the automatic just because you don’t have to worry about breaking the gearbox by accident and also it’s a lot smoother .... great video 👍 ♥️
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 🙌🙌🙌
@I2ipper
@I2ipper 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful cars 👌🏼 Great video as always mate!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben!
@DC5dotty
@DC5dotty 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Stef 👍🏼
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate 🙌🙌🙌
@AkaliBlade
@AkaliBlade 4 жыл бұрын
I'm struggling with choice of manual vs DCT for the M2 CS right now. I prefer DCT generally in cars, but wonder if manual suits the back to basics M2 more? From your video it seems the biggest difference is in fact the extra cog (v useful on motorway)?
@beauwille2294
@beauwille2294 4 жыл бұрын
Which way did you go?!
@AkaliBlade
@AkaliBlade 4 жыл бұрын
@@beauwille2294 I cancelled my allocation. I concluded it wasn't enough of an improvement over the M2C for the frankly ridiculous extra 50% price. Should have been a proper CSL for that price.
@duosable
@duosable 5 ай бұрын
@@AkaliBlade Shouldve taken the offer, the car is keeping 100% of it's value in 2024.
@friguy4444
@friguy4444 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! My thoughts about vs vs is that if there is a significant difference on the track in lap times perhaps it might be a big thing. But really it would only be in a time attack situation or formula racing etc that those differences would be important. So what if the DCT changes gear in an "Ninth" of a sec. The point of driving a sports car for us non pro racing people is to push our own limits and be in control in our own way. In that case to me the manual always wins out for the engagement factor.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 🙌 good insight too!
@semperf1dude
@semperf1dude 5 жыл бұрын
Where are the roads you're driving? I love an empty road
@obi9065
@obi9065 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, it just looks so fun.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah man it is a great motor! Lots of fun! :)
@RABEANTs
@RABEANTs 4 жыл бұрын
I think both gear are good, it's just a question of preference ... Dual clutch is easy to change and a little bit faster , but nowadays manual are so perfectly made that difference is not too big ... BUT driving a manual is different from driving a dual clutch, so you chose 😁
@JeniusShieh
@JeniusShieh 5 жыл бұрын
Great video again! I have switched my order to DCT on Friday and it was approved by the production control on the same day :) If I am true to myself, I think I really do enjoy the DCT more on this car. I am not a fan of BMW Manual boxes tbh. Super looking forward to mine when it comes next month!
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank s man! Awesome! Excited for you! You will love the car 🙌
@ericstefko4852
@ericstefko4852 5 жыл бұрын
Does the manual have any rev hang going on?
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
It does yep
@ericstefko4852
@ericstefko4852 5 жыл бұрын
@@StefABtv thanks for the reply, any way to fix that easily? I can't believe car companies do that,
@philspaghet
@philspaghet 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericstefko4852 You can tune it out I believe
@hamedp3907
@hamedp3907 3 жыл бұрын
i loved the video and also the road you choose.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@PeakPerformanceReviews
@PeakPerformanceReviews 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid fella, wanna drive both before I make a judgement ❤️👌😎
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate! 🙌
@jmacca4493
@jmacca4493 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks joe 🙌
@willpark7483
@willpark7483 5 жыл бұрын
i would take the auto
@bm717252
@bm717252 5 жыл бұрын
will park manual is a better driving experience though.
@willpark7483
@willpark7483 5 жыл бұрын
@@bm717252 not necessarily
@bm717252
@bm717252 5 жыл бұрын
will park what makes you say that?
@SergeiFedorov77
@SergeiFedorov77 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the automatic because I like the tech behind it and how fast it shifts. For me personally a manual introduces unnessecary actions to be performed when driving. But it's all about how you wanna drive the car and what experience you're after. Love the color on those cars!!
@paullockwood7219
@paullockwood7219 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff lads! 😁
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Paul
@paullockwood7219
@paullockwood7219 5 жыл бұрын
@@StefABtv More than welcome my friend. Here's looking forward to the next one!
@MrHCars
@MrHCars 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure why i'm back here again... thanks for the recommendation KZfaq haha
@bambychoi9366
@bambychoi9366 5 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles, he’s slack in these, when given the keys, he has a real knack for these.
@fazer12779
@fazer12779 5 жыл бұрын
The dct is faster & better to live with. The manual is better out of corners as with the paddles being on the steering wheel on the dct your hands cross over & its hard to change the gears. If the paddles were column mounted rather than steering wheel (like a r35 gtr) then it’s dct all day long.
@juancruz-jg5pq
@juancruz-jg5pq 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunetly the M2 competition ( 3600 lbs ) its 110 lbs heavier than a 2018 M3 ( 3490 lbs) and 150 lbs heavier than standar M2 (3450 lbs affecting its agilty while cornering regsrdless of hp. Weight play an important role n racing applications. As a competition vehicle thwy should have removed weight. Very dissapointed.
@klasseact6663
@klasseact6663 5 жыл бұрын
3>2🇺🇸🦂🏁
@StefABtv
@StefABtv 5 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌🙌
@after_midnight9592
@after_midnight9592 4 жыл бұрын
*Complains why there are no more new manual cars made *BMW makes a manual Is a manual really better? smh...
@swiss889
@swiss889 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid 👍
@touringusa8760
@touringusa8760 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you've dismissed the build-in limitations of automatic shifters and moved into the practical world of refined vehicle control.
@stinkypodracer7210
@stinkypodracer7210 5 жыл бұрын
not to hate but some beamer owners are just showoffs
@shikarbabulall3897
@shikarbabulall3897 3 жыл бұрын
Manual is more of a man's car!
@duosable
@duosable 5 ай бұрын
Yes a man's car! But you will have to act like someone with down's syndrome when you do the heel toe shift.
@stinkypodracer7210
@stinkypodracer7210 5 жыл бұрын
10th view
@willpark7483
@willpark7483 5 жыл бұрын
StinkyPodRacer no one cares apart from you
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