I was thinking the same thing

Well they've been advertising possibly making a new model for about ten years, so it adds up.

@@why6212 Here's to getting a CyberTruck in 2030? Crap, I might be retired by then.

@@why6212 they don’t advertise

@@eddypan007 they dont PAY for advertising. They still advertise.

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the pre-facelift design.

LOL

@@griffensander don’t feel alone, I have a 2015 S85D and love the original nose cone!

@@griffensander i do too tbh

Where do you go to get the upgraded facelift?

CORRECTION: The Nissan Leaf is not $32,000. The Leaf still qualifies for state and federal tax incentives worth $10,500 so the actual cost is $21,500 (before state sales tax).

😭😭 I live in the country in Michigan and my forte cries. I’ve gotten stuck so many times.

@clot shots Well, duh, of course they weren’t free. Neither is $4 -$5/gal gas, is it? Or $120+/mo electricity. Every day that goes by I recoup some of those costs. Every time I drive between Michigan and Florida, several times a year, I’m recouping those costs. And every time there is a power outage, and people can’t do the things they normally do, and lose their a/c or possibly heat, and can’t even pump gas locally, I don’t know about it until someone tells me. Or I see it on the news. I felt bad for the folks in the South and East of the U.S. last year when Russian hackers took a major U.S, gas pipeline offline, closing thousands of gas stations. But then I just drove on through. So, if your point is that I had to pay some $ extra up front for the benefits an EV and Solar/Battery Storage offer, you got me. And would I do it again if I had the opportunity to go back in time? In a heartbeat, friend, in a heartbeat!

@clot shots Well, clotty, if you paid for your house with cash, you would save a lot of money in interest. That’s kinda the same concept: spend more up front and save big in he long run. The way I look at it, it’s 1,250 miles between my house in Michigan and Florida. If I had a somewhat comparable fossil-burner that got 25 mpg, at $4/gal it would take me 50 gallons of gas and cost me $200 for gas - one way! Round-trip, $400. I make that round trip an average of about 4 times/yr. So, I save about $1,600/yr at today’s gas prices - just on THOSE 4 round trips using Tesla Superchargers. Do you know what Tesla used to charge customers to add the Supercharging option when you ordered your car online? $2,000. Yeah. So, I think I got a good deal. Not to mention not having to pay for oil changes, belts, hoses, fuel filters, oil filters, exhaust systems, catalytic converters, water pumps, fuel pumps, brakes (regen braking means mostly one-pedal driving resulting in very little wear & tear on brake pads), radiators, oil gaskets, tune-ups…. need I go on? Same thing with the Solar/Battery system. It saves me when I drive on sunshine, AND when I power my house. With the not-insignificant benefit of NEVER losing power. Oh, and I have the peace of mind knowing I’m not funding mass killers like Vladimir Putin, ISIS, or MBS in Saudi Arabia. And if a pipeline goes down or the grid goes out because of foreign hackers - congratulation! You’re helping to fund them with your generous weekly donations via the gas pump. So, I don’t know about you, but I’m happy with my decisions. They kinda fall in the no-brainer category. If you can’t understand.,, well, see above. Have a nice day!

@@Widdermaker That sounds great,the thing is a model X is $100.000 and solar panels and battery backup cost is approx $30.000 and tesla ended the supercharge deal ,be that as it may my friend gave me a ride in a model Y and yes it's a no Brainerd, I want one.

15K goes into budget for myself once i start looking for a car so glad to know its possible and know what to look for

You're a good guy.

What do you do for living

dang, wish I could get that. I'm a broke graduate student :(

@@stiaankruger2699 absolutely not. I sold it for cheap to a friend because it was still a great car. And I upgraded not because it stopped working but because I'm a child who wanted to go fast in a plaid. It charged for 9 years almost completely offset by my Tesla solar. My electric bills were 15-20 dollars a month. And it's still nicer than most new cars that you can get today. My car was 70k new and I got back 10k from state and federal returns and I could have sold it for 25 easily, by the way. Paying 35k to drive a car of that quality for almost a decade is not a bad deal.

Wow that car would be a treasure in future.. Just asking did you have any other Tesla's along with the 2013 MS?

Tesla is also leading the way in making it so you don't own your car, they're shit boxes to anyone who actually wants to own what they buy

Are you looking to sell?

@@redbullsauberpetronas could you elaborate on how that is?

Don't ever get rid of ittttt

Yea I haven't seen any worth buying under $32k+ in Texas.

@@morganlingsweiler9813 Here in Florida you're lucky to find one under $40k at the moment, and that's a low spec model S that's 8 years old with 80k miles minimum

@@DaPopeOfDope101 the older models aren't especially reliable. Kind of comparable to a German vehicle in terms of cost of maintenance. Drive units typically need replacing sometime after 70k miles, and that's about $5-7k. Suspension components wear quickly due to the heavy weight of the vehicle. Should you need a new battery, it would almost be cheaper to buy another car

now is the time

The used tesla prices are plummeting now as of feb '23

You want to switch to a yoke.. which objectively provides less comfort and has objectively dogshit touch capacitive buttons that you'll often hit by accident (as reviewers point out while driving it for a long time) are you an idiot? There's a reason why NOBODY uses a F1 style racing wheel in cars except Tesla . Because it doesn't make sense, Jesus What's ya battery health

I did the same just one year behind you. Same experience. Pretty sure I got the very last used MS sold by Tesla that they did not strip off the free supercharging.

...but that makes it a crap shoot, hoping the major components fail before the warranty expires.

How do we get used cars directly from Tesla? Could u pls explain. Thanks

@@ARUNKUMAR-gf3zv the Tesla website had them listed, and had each vehicle's specs. Don't know if they still are selling used. They definitely stopped selling refurbs.

@@ARUNKUMAR-gf3zv On Tesla home page click Existing Inventory instead of Custom Order. Then adjust filter to include used vehicles.

dude these teslas are ripe with issues, they cost more then a GAS car if you have average luck The drive motor will shut itself, for most people it's within 100k miles, that's $5000 And then the inevitable battery pack repair, total system failure is what it is.. $13k repair.. INSANE

I have a 2013 Model S 85, but I test drove a M3P a while back just for the hell of it. Wow talk about a rocket, and all the traction with the AWD.

Dude bought a Fiat holy shit

@@roboticvenom1935 Humans make mistakes.

Let’s appreciate the overlap here of Fiat buyers and Tesla buyers. Let that sink in.

I hope one day EVs last as long as my Duramax without major repairs :/

Thats wrong, the market decides the longevity of vehicles based on expected maintenance cost and longevity. Not the individual. A model s won’t suddenly be worthless and discarded, only if repairs are prohibitively expensive compared to a viable alternative.

Old cars get worse mileage and they stink of farts I want to be the first person to fart in my car.

@@BoleDaPole real

I bought a 2015 used. Upgraded for 90KWH pack, next gen seats, and Autopilot (AP1). No regrets. Let.me know if you have any questions. I drove a 2013 loaner from Tesla and the difference in terms of ride and refinement was striking. I think they just didn't take care of their loaners was part of it.

@@usa-ev how much did those upgrades cost lmao

@@roboticvenom1935 Thousands! And worth it. :) I have since driven some without these options and if I had driven them first I may not have purchased mine. As Elon said there is a night and day difference between early models and today's models. Seems like there was a big improvement during late 2015 and I'm sure at points since then as well.

@@usa-evHow much did all of that cost?

@simkela I don't know. These were standard features and options from the factory at the time it was built. I just bought it as a used car paying attention to make sure the used car I was choosing had these factory features. I would encourage others to do the same or better. It's a lovely car and driving experience!

I agree. He's very well spoken and extremely articulate.

Any updates?

Do not buy a used Tesla, or a new one at that lmao…ticking time bomb.

@@USNEM Even if the primary battery system completely failed (which seems to be rare), the price of a brand new set is expensive BUT still much cheaper than a brand new Tesla car payment.

The free supercharging as an incentive is a thing of the past. Demand is outpacing supply and incentives are no long necessary. My 2018 Model S has free supercharging for long as I own the vehicle. It's nice on road trips, but has really only saved me a few hundred dollars so far.

I wonder why the maker of your diesel doesn't pay for the lifetime of your vehicles fuel? Strange.

@@cyumadbrosummit3534 I know right?! I'm gutted 😂

Electricity is already much cheaper than gas. Why would it need to be subsidized lol?

"as far as I can see" What? The longest range EV's aren't even produced by Tesla, they're made by other companies. ALL BRANDS have long range EV's now with niche exceptions like Mazda, polestar, etc. Tesla isn't even leading with range, and there are many vehicles that have the range of model 3 and model S..

Only cars that originally came with the 100KWh battery can use a 100KWh battery. IIRC there are some structural differences in the frame of the 100KWh Model S's to support the extra weight. The smaller 40, 60, 70, 75, and 85KWh cars can all be upgraded to 90KWh batteries though.

@@griffensander That's a relief. I'm assuming the same thing applies to the Model X as well?

Yes, it can be done. Only requirement that the original S should have air suspension due to increased weight. I'm waiting on one to upgrade ;)

The roof is dumb and causes issues..

Hello there! Where did you get the fixed motor from and how much did it cost?

@@razvanpopa9624 6100 € in the Service Center from Malaga (Spain)

how long does it take to charge?

@@brianjones740520min

Where did you find one for that cheap? Here in AZ most are 35k+ best wishes!

LMFAo yet another drive unit failure These older teslas have as many issues as BMW's, Mercedes, etc. good grief, more to come btw

@@adriansanchez-luna2968in Germany too, he’s probably from USA

People were envious how? Lol 😆

@@petermiller9904 Back then where I lived you would see a Tesla maybe only twice a week on the road. Were hard to get in my city waitlist was 6-7 months. They would roll windows down at intersections to ask me questions or come speak to me in parking lots.

@@petermiller9904 Tell us you've never owned a cool car without saying you've never owned a cool car.

@@shane864 you are so smart 🤓 here’s a cookie 🍪 🤣

How slow? I'm getting one soon

Any problems be honest

@@crazyhandshands9028 nothing major. I kept trying to roll window down with ice caked on in Colorado last year and broke motor ($300), the S rides low so I am careful with potholes etc. I am never in that much of a hurry so the free supercharging is worth the wait. In all honesty I would get a model s with longer range, other than that EV’s in general should not breakdown, I add windshield wiper fluid and pay attention to my range.

@@romeomagaan82 give yourselve an hour to get to 80-85%. Home charging is the way to go.

I think "slow" is relative. Our P85 performance wastes everything except a few new Teslas...

Cost zero unless its a company car you paid a fair amount for it ? Seem a good car but here in the UK for example there would never be a enough charging points. Also we have a lot of terraced housing where people on pavements away from their homes

@@BRUNO-hl9yb yeah we have charging points EVERYWHERE in the states. It was a free charge for me

Did you pay for the MCU upgrade or was it part of the recall? They did mine and nothing really changed. Curious as to the "upgrades" everyone is referring to lol

@@levashiamiller1955 I paid the $1500 plus $500 for retaining radio. It does 4G now and it's the best investment ever in these 12-16 models honestly

@@levashiamiller1955 did they do the mcu2 upgrade or did they add gb to the mcu1? The entire layout on the bottom is different. If yours looks exactly the same, you didn't get MCU2

Not yet at least. Just give them some time at the top and they probably will

Make it all German cars, everything's plastic and shit since the last decade at least afaik.

​@clot shots By 2040, you can safely go all electric.

@clot shots Then you have bigger problems, also solar!

@clot shots Well, if the grid goes down, you're not pumping any gas (electric pumps!) but if you have solar your EV will be fine. (If not, I'm sure if you look down your street, someone with solar would let you plug in!?)

Same. Really, same. Including the Cybertruck reserved. LOL. But hey, I love my Volt, it get's me up to 60 mls on a single charge on a good day, I kidd you not. Personally, my ideal were a steady 60mls range. I don't really need more and a Tesla is therefor not really an option at the moment; also, the Volt has a far superior build quality than most Teslas.

I don't know the details of your Volt charger but assuming you have a 4-prong plug your adapter may be doing nothing more than picking up one neutral to hot leg of your 240 thereby supplying 120 to the adapter. That would be no gain over plugging into 120 directly assuming you have a circuit of sufficient ampacity. In any case, it is the rectifier in the vehicle's on-board charging system that determines whether you can use 120 and/or 240. The adapter and charging cord just supply the electrical feed.

@@rogerlevy2160 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oq2Thsqru9raZH0.html I've been using this set up wired two hots and ground for several years, and it charges in 1/4 the time as 120 volts.

It didnt last LOL....at least he seems like he has more T levels with the Firebird

@@RipRoaringGarage Really? not even a year!?

@@RipRoaringGarage lmao get shidded on

Glad it was helpful!

Your main issue appears to be that you haven't research recently. I suggest checking the "Model 3 man" KZfaq channel (Canadian). A recent second (both non-fault) accident resulted in the need for extensive repair of his model 3, which was completed by a Tesla approved independent shop in record time, with impeccable service and communication from both them *and* Tesla, who without prompting were sending direct updates of parts supplied. Might change your mind(???)

$11k, most recent report.

I don't know, watched a lot of Tesla x,y and z high mileage vids, and boy those out of warranty Tesla prices....Trust me, battery will be the last of your concerns

​@@stuartburns8657can you give me the link for that vid please?

I mean this was only 25k and new model 3 is 40k. I would rather buy 2018 Model S for that 40K than new model 3.

I live in Dallas Fort Worth an summers here can be very hot. I have a 2015 S85D with the panoramic sunroof and have no problems. I did have my windows tinted with Autobahn Ceramic i3 film and had Llumar Air80 installed on the front windshield. That makes a big difference. Cabin us nice and cool all summer long.

@@rafacq It's not just the heat. Where I live the UV index is 11+ in summer. And it's hotter here. 110+.

Yeah reliability is shit, the drive units go out on all these older teslas, often due to coolant failure, $5000+ repair minimum

So I'd imagine between the tires and MCU you didn't see a great deal of change out of £2700? Free super charging handy but those out of warranty Tesla prices...brave man 👏

@@stuartburns8657 Nope, the old MCU went black, Tesla said they would replace it free, I asked how much to upgrade instead, they charged £550. 😏 Honestly, I have absolutely nothing but praise for the garage, Tesla and the car. Tyres are the same cost for any performance car, so no beef there either...

@@jamespink4202 That's better than I've heard elsewhere James, very good 👍

83,000 and battery needed replacement. And MCU?? Does not sound like good quality I have a 12 accord. 120k miles . Zero problems

@@tpike32 Apples and oranges comparison. A 10 year old Tesla Model S is cheaper to own and maintain than a similar category 10 year old vehicle, such as a Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7-Series, Audi A8, and Porsche Panamera. Only the Lexus LS460 would be on the similar level of low cost ownership. And I'm speaking from experience. I've owned a 2006 Lexus LS430 for 5 years and a 2015 Tesla Model S for 3 years. So far the Tesla is proving to be cheaper to own than my old Lexus, which I loved dearly. Nobody is cross shopping between a 10 year old Honda Accord and 10 year old Tesla Model S.

Yes you can't fix a Tesla battery problem in your backyard.

Sure

Still driving it. Still loving it. 130k miles strong so far 💚🙏

What's the battery health?

I also bought mine with high miles (192k) and love it. I also have had a few issues but it is still one of the best most fun cars I have ever owned. Only thing I'm annoyed about is that I only get about 220miles per full charge.....boooooooo!

I believe there's a company in the U.S. that simply disconnects the bad cells with slightly reduced range. Unfortunately there aren't enough electric car shops out there that can help. A 20k repair on a 20-40k car would be devastating.

@@camaroman101 When you replace a few “bad cells”, then how many hours before other cells go bad? 🔥💸💸💸

You're correct, there are some shops that do this, but it is a terrible practice that I hope never takes hold. Adding new cells into a pack full of old, but still good cells massively imbalances the pack. This will put much more strain on all the cells, both new and old. The only way this can be properly done is to have various old packs you can use as parts so you can match the cells as closely as possible and maintain balance.

@@griffensander I think with the new Model Y, the cells will be impossible to replace anyway on account of the structural pack design. However as others have stated, maybe the bad cells can be isolated and bypassed. Of course that depends on the pack design, If that prolongs life at the expense of performance, for an old car out of warranty I dont think it will matter.

Bypassing even a single cell creates a massive imbalance in the pack. While it may function, bypassing cells is a VERY bad idea...

If you are in usa you have electrified motors and some other companies that will replace only the dead cells in your battery. USA is probably the best place on the planet to drive a out of warranty Tesla at the moment

Have you seen the repair costs on any of Toyota or Jeep Grand Cherokee new diesels. 12k isn’t even that bad to be perfectly honest considering life maintenance costs. 5 injectors, a turbo, intercooler, manifold clean and a DPF is 22k on the current model hilux and land cruiser prados. However this is 2017-19 models and they are coming in for this work under warranty!!!

Hey I’m curious after you received the warning message would your Tesla charge and drive at all? It sounds like it would have less range but still function. Thanks!

@@nated4949 Thanks for the question. When the error message first appeared it would charge to about 50 miles. This made me think that I had time to put off the repair because I could still get to work and essential stuff, and the nearest Tesla Service center was about 25 miles. But, I was wrong. With each charge cycle, I was losing range. Within a couple of weeks, the car was no longer driveable because the range was reduced to about 5 miles. I had to have it towed to the service center.

@@RevRich721 Does the vehicle warranty transfer between old and new owner if you do not buy it from tesla? They have a thing on their website saying it doesn't but I thought US laws said it had too? Thinking about buying a 2018 model S with the unlimited mile warranty and driving the snot out of it. I drive uber so were talking 60K+ a year. Most cars I buy I break the warranty in the first 2 years.

Yeah these teslas are literally as or less reliable then Mercedes, BMW, aka the worst of the industry. Often shit economically Unlike say, a Lexus(a reliable luxury vehicle) or a new Genesis

I think those less expensive options are coming. The problem right now is two-fold: 1) the pandemic-induced supply chain shortages have caused prices to go up on almost everything - IF you can even get them. Thus, even though Tesla has long term contracts for many of the raw materials they use in their cars, supplier price increases on many other parts, and reprogramming semi-conductor chips, meant Tesla had to raise prices to cover these increased costs. And… 2) Demand for Tesla cars has skyrocketed to the point that most models have at least a 6 month to over 1 year waiting list. Because of this, even newer, low-mileage used Tesla’s are fetching prices that match or even exceed the prices they fetched when new. So, to tamp down demand so that wait times don’t get any longer, and to eliminate “Tesla-scalping” by new Tesla owners (i.e., buying a new Tesla only to immediately turn around and sell it used for $5K - $10K more than Tesla they paid for it, pocketing the difference), Tesla has been forced to raise prices. Once Tesla scales up their 4680 battery production and can meet the demand for both their cars and their battery storage products (Powerwalls, Megapacks, etc.), prices should start coming down. One thing is clear: demand for Tesla cars is off the charts. They’re growing at about 70%/yr. And their stock price has not done much in over a year (was $880/sh in Jan-2021 after they made 500K cars in 2020; is $980/sh now in Apr-2022 after they made 936K in 2021. They will sell at least 1.5M in 2022 and over 2.3M in 2023. I bought Tesla stock in early 2013 and watched it trade sideways from late-2013 until late 2019 despite Tesla selling 10 times as many cars/yr by 2019. Then the stock exploded in 2020 as Wall Street finally got a clue. Given Tesla’s current growth trajectory, I believe we are currently in another sideways movement of Tesla’s stock price for whatever reason, and that means a huge opportunity for Tesla stock price appreciation. Tesla stock made me a “Teslanaire.” The door is open again, in my opinion, for folks to 10x - 20x their money on Tesla stock in the next 5-10 years. Opportunity is knocking for a 2nd time with Tesla. It may take a few years, but buying their stock in 2013 when everyone laughed at me is one of the best decisions I made in my life.

@@Widdermaker Tesla is not cheap brand and there be no cheaper cars . If there is it's years away.

@@AdrianMcDaid You missed my point - re-read. Better yet, buy Tesla stock like I did and you’ll be able to afford all the Teslas you want in a few years.

@@Widdermaker power to you for holding all those years. You're right it's amazing opportunity but most people are solely focused on their cars. They could make a cheaper car at this point in time (amazingly for how young of a auto company they are) but they have bigger aspirations. Those aspirations will probably be realized, making us very happy investors.

Average lithium battery life is 8-10 years. That is the concern. We will be seeing lots of dead tesla batteries soon with such a pricetag for repair after which used teslas will be dirt cheap