Is Auston Matthews Under-Appreciated?

Is Auston Matthews Under-Appreciated? | JD Bunkis Podcast

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Ай бұрын

James Mirtle, Senior Managing Editor with The Athletic, joins JD Bunkis to discuss Auston Matthews’ stellar season and the remaining questions heading into the playoffs.
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@louisd9876 Ай бұрын

He has 62 goals and only 2 empty netters!!! Incredible achievement

@oldsingingstudentdougbillf1665 Ай бұрын

He has scored 62 goals in only 38 games and ZERO GOALS IN THE OTHER 35 GAMES! That’s another incredible achievement! You mention empty net goals…Why don’t you mention 16 PP goals?

@andrewdockrill Ай бұрын

@oldsingingstudentdougbillf1665 you seriously trying to diminish a player getting 60 goals in a season, be it matthews or not 😂?

@Torontomapleleafsforever Ай бұрын

Like 48 of them are even strength

@goteggs73 Ай бұрын

lmao he leads the league in 5v5 goals you goof@@oldsingingstudentdougbillf1665

@Michael-pg7rv Ай бұрын

I think he is underappreciated because 1) He is a Leaf and all outside fans don't want to give him to full appreciation he deserves. 2) Leaf fans are holding their breath for playoff success.

@richardarnold5279 Ай бұрын

nailed it. Specifically reason number 1. The Leafs are so hated outside of the Leafs universe that he'll never get full recognition for his accomplishments; it will forever be met with "talk to me when he wins a cup!" It's similar with Connor McDavid too -- but nowhere near to the point as with Matthews.

@tommcd8471 Ай бұрын

only the toronto media think he's underappreciated, hes one of the top players in the world.

@TMBpk Ай бұрын

Have you ever heard of HF Boards?😂

@gorgeoushammer Ай бұрын

i like that you recognize his defensive play and making people around him better.

@rickveleke6966 Ай бұрын

Matthews is a rare gem, let down by mngmt. As a leafs fan from Salming days, Burke/dubas eras were a joke but Matthews, though he plays like he came from a hockey program instead of someone who played 1000’s of games in every position, his love talent hardwork selflessness maybe undervalued by media but not by me. Dubas had all these amazing talents and blew it for all of them. Now, dubas has Crosby and blew that, too.

@pattaccone5347 Ай бұрын

I just turned 40 and have been a leafs fan as long as I can remember, Matthews is top 3 for the leafs. He’s 26 😂 let’s have faith - he will break through . then hes the gloat no question asked.

@tylerlussier1896 Ай бұрын

Only thing Matthews is breaking through is another first round exit door straight to the golf course…

@MrChuckhastings Ай бұрын

Still waiting for him to perform in the playoffs. That's all that matters.

@shaneroberts3221 Ай бұрын

You're the reply guy and demographic they talked about. Point in case!

@Alex-vo2ew Ай бұрын

I feel like you didn't even watch the podcast because they basically made fun of you.

@MrChuckhastings Ай бұрын

@@shaneroberts3221 You're right, but it doesn't change anything. I've been a leaf fan for over 60 years and loved all those great players since 1967. Matthews is the least productive of all those players in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Matthews fan. He has matured a lot this season as a leader. Maybe this is the year he leads them to greater heights in the playoffs. Go Leafs Go!

@fonzymoz Ай бұрын

JD is the most talented person at sportsnet; however, he has a tendency to gaslight swathes of fans in order to make a point or elevate his opinion. Any real leafs hockey fan, regardless of age understands Matthews greatness. I loved watching Sundin and Gilmour and Clark; however, we have never seen anything like Matthews talent (and Marner and Nylander are not that far behind) and this has been obvious from day one of this era. Sorry to burst your bubble JD but most of us “old guys” appreciate Matthews more than you think. Overall good convo with Mirtle tho. Signed older Reply guy.

@Qmocean Ай бұрын

I dont think he's suggesting all old guys think that way, just that the majority of the "only the playoffs matter" crowd are old guys. Which is most likely true.

@andre97621 Ай бұрын

@Qmocean Does anything else matter to a franchise who hasn't won the title since 1967?Who have such little play-off success sunce the lock out?

@Qmocean Ай бұрын

@andre97621 if nothing but the playoffs matter, then stfu until the playoffs get here. Why show up to suck the fun out of anything that happens in the regular season? They can't "prove it when it counts" until after the time that counts begins.

@DogoodPOG Ай бұрын

I feel like I under appreciate him and ima huge fan. Need to take a step back and really appreciate how good he really is.

@markh5600 Ай бұрын

Matthews is amazing in his own right. You don't score 60+ goals twice in 3 seasons without some supernatural combination of hockey skills and hockey I.Q. and that must be recognized. His abilities as a leader vs. a member of the supporting cast is a different combination, but it cannot be denied that he has stepped up and carried this team at times. I am not sure that someone this superior can lead but if he inspires superior effert, he is doing his part, and then some.

@louisd9876 Ай бұрын

He is definitely under appreciated !!!

@vt1340 Ай бұрын

Only when sports analysts decide to make mountains outta molehills to push sales.

@steph1433 Ай бұрын

Where's the sound ?

@Qmocean Ай бұрын

In Toronto, its not just the old heads that shade matthews. Theres a lot folks that are marner fans that will shade matthews to gas marner. The part of Leafs Nation that resides outside the GTA tend revere matthews the way youre saying he should be.

@MrNicolas61 Ай бұрын

Most impressive thing about Matthew's and his goal scoring is that he never cheats ever. As barkov pointed out.

@Mitchell_E_Underscore Ай бұрын

Every great player is under appreciated while they're playing. They're not fully appreciated until they're missed. Don't know what ya got til it's gone.

@taylort9219 Ай бұрын

Yes. And as an American we need the NHL Olympics back so I can root for him properly.

@dagger4442 Ай бұрын

No I don't think he's underappreciated at all man. I think people are just worried about his performance in the playoffs. .. All the leafs need to do is get more players that other teams need to worry about firing the puck in the back of the net. ..more clutch players. Bertuzzi and Domi should help abit. The organization I think under values the backend . Esp the goaltending position. The goalie the the most important position in the playoffs for several reasons.

@johnferrari3984 Ай бұрын

What is so good about Dewar. Sorry , I don't see it. ? Reeves is playing well and so is Robertson??? I do not understand what everyone has against Robertson a 30 goal scorer??? So talented too. If it is not for Reeves and Robertson the tone would not have been set last night against Florida. i don't get it with everyone shitting on Robertson. Which player is not flawed?

@meanmaverick7256 Ай бұрын

Pretty sure it was all you media people saying "Who cares what they do in the regular season", as fans would we love a Cup win? YES but do we expect it? NO.. we're not the ones trying to make a story out of nothing.. we know how hard it is to win one, 32 teams so the odds are against you and we know this.. ALL fans do. So you saying the fans don't appreciate it is complete nonsense and I would appreciate it if you could stop trying to vilify fans for a story.

@steverapos3904 Ай бұрын

Sorry, I know his goal scoring is #1 in the league, but I don't think he is underappreciated. He easily got the MVP a few years ago even though McDavid had a better season and a few others were right there with him. Currently, guys like Pasternak outperform him with points consistently (and in head to head games) - but no one is putting Pasternak ahead of Matthews. Draisatl, Pasternak McKinnon, Kucherov, Makar and McDavid have all over the last 3 seasons or so been as good or better than Matthews - but the general consensus is Matthews is better than all those guys except McDavid. Lack of playoff success also drives valid criticism of Matthews

@MrC37 Ай бұрын

As a noted Leafs hater, we pick on Matthews because he's 6'3 215 lbs with no bite to his game. He gets rag-dolled by smaller players and when the going gets tough, he folds. He doesn't have that take over style that other players have in the playoffs like McDavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Stamkos, Eichel, Point, Pettersson, Kucherov, and many other. It also doesn't help that Leaf fans are so annoying, if the Leafs win a game, plan the parade, if they lose a game blow it up! Bruh its a random Tuesday game in January

@MrChuckhastings Ай бұрын

I agree with everything you said, but this year seems different. I think/hope we will see a different AM in the playoffs.

@MrC37 Ай бұрын

@@MrChuckhastings I think its good for hockey to have the Leafs go far, even if it annoys the daylight out of me, so lets see

@dimer1729 Ай бұрын

This planning of the parade is such a ridiculous notion, only spread by haters of the Leafs. I'm a die hard and never plan a parade, we plan the failures.

@MrC37 Ай бұрын

@@dimer1729 lmao, fair

@MrNicolas61 Ай бұрын

Also, Matthew's is Lidstrom-esqe with his stick defensively. There. I said it.

@ContentHouseOfficial Ай бұрын

toronto is a sports hellhole. The first 15 rows of scotiabank arena just sit on their phones the whole game

@kaylporter276 Ай бұрын

He’s a star but not by far and away the most important player. How many cups have they won with him? Individual records, it’s a cup fans want at the end of the day.

@TMBpk Ай бұрын

He’s pretty much hated on by the 40 year old virgins over at HF Boards simply because he plays for the Leafs. Doesn’t really matter since Leafs fans would outnumber almost half the NHL fanbases combined, but it’s still funny. Kessel was the same - “overrated” with the Leafs, but when he gets traded he comes a legend? Hyman is another one haters used to say was “overrated”. I just want the Leafs to win a string of cups just to really give the haters an aneurysm. 😂

@aj4to145 Ай бұрын

How many goals would he have if wasn't hooked, held, and slashed on virtually every shift? He refuses to go down or complain so easy non-calls for refs...

@ShaneDavid-is7te Ай бұрын

It doesn’t help that every fan base hates the leafs, it’s not the players fault, it’s the media, mostly

@wadeanthony8538 Ай бұрын

..when you speak of Mathews..the team is not mentioned..,after 7 years of being chased out of the playoffs...maybe what is required to be successful is not inside Mathews and Marner..

@KyleMacSkill Ай бұрын

The reason they don't do that in other markets like Tampa and Florida is because Kucherov and Barkov perform in the playoffs. I don't care how many goals Matthews scores in the regular season if he disappears in the biggest games in the post season. 1 assist in 7 elimination games over his career. Also Ovi played in an era where there were 1 or 2 50 goal scorers in a season, there have been 3 different 60 goal scorers the last 2 seasons 😂 JD is just so out to lunch man how does he have his own show

@Alex-vo2ew Ай бұрын

I mean, goals per game is only up .20~ from the years where Ovi was leading the league and still well under the 80s and early 90s. There just wasn't as much top talent in the game 15 years ago as there is now. Most of the guys hitting 50+ in the last few seasons are either McDavid or Matthews or the guys playing with them or Mackinnon/Kutcherov like Drasaitl, Hyman, Rantanen, Brayden Point and then you have the outliers like Pasternak who hit 60 solo which was truly impressive. Besides that it's mostly centralized amongst some of the best players the NHL has seen in decades.

@KNorth2 Ай бұрын

Barkov’s playoff resume is not particularly good.

@KNorth2 Ай бұрын

@@Alex-vo2ewpastrnak played with Bergeron and Marchand when he scored 60. Hardly solo

@arthurkjr Ай бұрын

No, he's not underappreciated. You homers never shut up about him.

@mattsambro7172 Ай бұрын

Cry more

@mikejang8666 Ай бұрын

The Toronto fan base NEVER appreciates talent. They'd rather appreciate someone with grit. People never liked Sundin until he left, they always preferred Gilmour/Clark over him.

@curtisjoseph7228 Ай бұрын

So the panthers are coming on and if the Leafs lose this with a 5-1 lead and Keefe wants to put Reaves on the ice with 2 minutes left...a Leafs loss would of been devastating

@vibbrant2084 Ай бұрын

I agree but Keefe was purposely put 3rd and 4th lines in bad situations cause he was stress testing them for the the playoffs. I'd say they did alright. Still more to work on of course but

@edwardlea3413 Ай бұрын

How can he be underappreciated when he has a media conglomerate hyping him every day?

@smokinjoe45 Ай бұрын

Matthews is a much more effective goal scorer than Ovechkin

@emiliafrank1578 Ай бұрын

He also chokes and the top 4 becomes a ghost in the playoffs 😂😂😂. You guys haven’t had a goalie the whole time I’ve been alive. If he doesn’t make it through a few rounds in the playoffs he’s not gonna be looked at as a top elite player in my opinion.

@Nyneteen Ай бұрын

You not have been born till 2005ish then or you just don't know wat a goalie is lmao

@OneTeeGlory Ай бұрын

He’s not under appreciated, his postseason resume is underwhelming.

@BM_2002 Ай бұрын

No he's over-appreciated

@andrewdockrill Ай бұрын

He is underapprexiated, you deliver at the rate he more or less consistently has since he arrived and its become his norm or an expectation that hell perform every season. He does disappear in the playoffs because like it or not hes not a really gritty player, other teams can neutralize him effectively and when you dont have enough depth or gritt on the team the stars cant do very much and the depth pieces dont pick up the weight.

@johnferrari3984 Ай бұрын

The Leafs have never had goaltending since Eddie Belfour and Potvin. That has been their problem for years

@mcj44 Ай бұрын

Frederik Andersen was pretty good for a few years there.

@rickyrichards1294 Ай бұрын

Damn buddies just forgetting Curtis Joseph like he didn’t carry the team to two conference finals

@baylaust Ай бұрын

Samsonov may have been... well, borderline UNPLAYABLE to start the season. But since the new year, he has a record of 16-4-1. He has been legitimately VERY good in 2024. If he can keep that consistency in place come post-season, the Leafs might actually be in a good spot when it comes to goaltending for the first time in a long time.

@Michael-pg7rv Ай бұрын

That is not true. They have had good goaltending here and there (even in recent playoffs). They just have not had a generational goaltender who was consistent for years and years.

@johnferrari3984 Ай бұрын

@@rickyrichards1294 Yeh, but once Cujo got his big contract for 8m from Quinn, he was horrible. We were lucky that Detroit took the contract off our hands. he was never the same after the contract.

@neeltheother2342 Ай бұрын

He's over appreciated because he's a Leaf lol. If someone life Aho or Reinhart was in Toronto he would be getting the same amount of hype.

@MattT386 Ай бұрын

This is why people hate toronto media. Stupid topics, dumb question. Why not fire fans up and get behind the team.

@tylerlussier1896 Ай бұрын

Under-Appreciated???? Lmao yeah okay, All leaf fans do is bow down to em like he’s some kind of king and blow em off like y’all are the best workers on the corner…. Under-Appreciated my A**…

@yobruhh8161 Ай бұрын

Sadly im picking marner before matthews

@Nimajneb42069 Ай бұрын

I’m just glad both are on our team

@MrChuckhastings Ай бұрын

BTW, Bossy is the greatest scorer of all time.

@joer8854 Ай бұрын

Where Matthews is under appreciated is how he's changed the sport. Make no mistake, fooling the goaltender, having no tells, being able to disappear has become something every player does because Matthews is so good at it. Never before him did we have a player who did what he does. They way he changes his shot, doesn't let on when he's going to shoot and letting the goaltender think he's going to shoot and passing, Not choking up for power. He's made an art of fooling the goaltender and a ton of players are trying to do the same thing. He's changed the way the sport is played. Other players are copying what he does, while the guy is still in the league. Nobody is talking about that but the guys coaching players working their way to the NHL. I didn't know it was so pervasive until a coach said to me that a major part of what they teach now is fooling the goaltender because of how he does it.

@nomad_kudo6332 Ай бұрын

чушь

@christopherkuzek9816 Ай бұрын

is this an april fool's joke? only people in toronto care. the rest of us really don't

@James-nv1wf Ай бұрын

Leaf fans are everywhere bro and Arizona def cares too.

@christopherkuzek9816 Ай бұрын

@@James-nv1wf then let arizona care

@Nimajneb42069 Ай бұрын

This is a Toronto sports podcast?

@oldsingingstudentdougbillf1665 Ай бұрын

Why would he be under appreciated? In fact this season he has scored in only 50% of his games played! Yes, that’s right! 62 goals in 38 games and ZIPPO in the other 35 games.

@andrewdockrill Ай бұрын

He has 62 goals, there's no argument you can make that can diminish that accomplishment. Your indirectly making the argument that it would only be impressive if he was scoring all season long which is unrealistic for anyone in any sport.

@simonramiah4546 Ай бұрын

Look this guy is a regular season legend but fact is he has to be the same player in the playoffs and for me he is not even close to being the same guy in the playoffs

@ContentHouseOfficial Ай бұрын

“Under appreciated” yeah ok the news is this slow today laughsnet?

@dimer1729 Ай бұрын

He is not under appreciated. Hes a proven non playoff performer, thats why he gets hate. When it matters most, he's typically not a factor.

@Kiss_My_Bass_Angling Ай бұрын

Matthew’s is not under appreciated by leafs fans, he’s the best leafs goals scorer of all time. He is under appreciated by the rest of the NHL. AM34 is the best leafs ever!

@Kiss_My_Bass_Angling Ай бұрын

And if you guys think this market under appreciates Matthew’s , then you should pay more attention to the fans