What I hate about levelling in a few of the recent expansions (SL is the worst by far) is that you can't just go jump in a zone and freely do groups of quests, they force you to follow someone around and have your hand held constantly. Every couple quests there's a mandatory story section. Dragonflight improved this a lot. Levelling is more free and not painful.

For me, 90% of my fun came from levelling. I'd always get bored at 60 and want to start over again. Just being out in the world was the entire point to me.

I'm down with them updating the old world with the current events, but the original cata revamp was sick... i really doubt that was a large reason for cataclyms loss in players...probably had something to do with the 1 year gap between dragon soul and MoP

10:00 yes no more destroying old dungeons. New uldaman as a separate dungeon is the best decision. I wish they would go back on all the changes they made and add the option to see the world in different time lines.

MUSIC HAS VERY POWERFUL EFFECT ON PEOPLE YES!!!! THEY SHOULD NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE OLD MUSIC. For years I’ve been listening to WoW music,and I have 1hr long versions of many zones - entire Outland for example,on my phone,and I listen to all that music daily. Music has not been the same since they let go RUSSELL BROWER. He was the soul of this game. His music is beyond iconic and not having him around damaged the atmosphere of WoW immensely. And they need to start using old music more. It’s simply superior.

I always imagine seeing Gilneas alive and full of people. And flying over the ghostlands

Man is hitting the nail on the head once again. Thanks for the shout-out by the way.

your content never fails to hit, looking forward to more. really do hope we get another revamp

Crazy that cata world is now more than twice as old as the og world. Blew my mind that.

Keep up the videos dude! nice one, don't get unmotivated or other negative thoughts, you got this! I hope you grow way more ! +1 sub

I think the old world is a great time capsule, I'm not opposed to seeing it revamped in some way, but ideally I think they just let new players start in dragonflight and move on from there. Hell when they bring out a new expansion they should let players from level 10 go to the new continent and have enough quests there to level to max, and leave chromie time for alts.

I’d love a new xpac that doesn’t introduce new Continent but works on what’s already in the old world. “New” discovered dungeons hidden around the old world. Have us do quests that are fixing and restoring what cata and other xpacs damaged. Focus on giving more details to the old world. A gilneas raid or dungeon would be epic, a raid that restores under city maybe even rebuilding Lordaeron. Some raids in the northern part of eastern kingdoms. A dusk wood dungeon would be so fun. I wanna have reasons to make me venture into places like this that have been forgotten

These videos are really insightful and fun to watch. If you keep it going, you're gonna blow up eventually and Asmon will be reacting to your videos xd GL!

It always seemed like such a shame that most of the regions in the game are made obsolete except if you're leveling alts. I hope Blizzard starts added quests to make the ENTIRE world feel alive. It would be nice to revisit areas who's people you aided in prior levels. Darkshire -- a large Worgen invasion! Bloodsail Buccaneers establish a new stronghold in Tanaris. There's a huge creature in the waters of Loch Modan. Even more battles across time in the background of major events (to preserve the current timeline). There's so much potential!

Great content! I'm new to the game and this content helped me understand the game better.

one thing I always never really liked about WoW that I wish they did better with zones was more merging of zones on the edges. like one zone could be a certain biome but then 2 ft away would be an entirely different biome... I wish there would be a kind of middle area of zones where you kinda see them transforming into the next biome if that makes any sense

DO NOT TOUCH OLD MUSIC. I agree!

CATA was a reaction to players complaints on having to level in WOTLK, how long it took, how tired they were doing the same quests for 4 previous years and 2 years of WOTLK. players and content creators cheered CATA. most that complained about the old world wipe were mad about lost raid content in WOTLK and CATA for players they were keeping at 60 on retail at the time. when blizzard added TBC to the basic game in WOTLK this auto turned on XP bars with 1 XP from 61 and many accidentally popped which infuriated the classic diehards further, even though XP off option was added near end of WOTLK, players could no longer remake 60's due to raids taken away, etc, their anger involved the robbing of the end game rather than leveling quests. this is what caused a boost to the private servers

I reallly hope we can get a high quality old world revamp. I could even see them maybe tying that in with the rumored player owned housing feature

Nicely thought out

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It would be amazing if the next expansion revamped the old world. This could be done through a mixture of the dragonflights going out and and healing the world, along with some kind of bronze dragon time threat to deal with. Zones like Darkshore, the Barrens, and Loch Modan could focusing on healing by the hands of the red, green, and black dragons. You start in the Cataclysm world and phase to a healed zone by the time you're done. Meanwhile, zones with iconic threats that were loved in classic and destroyed in Cataclysm can involve the infinite dragon flight bringing back old threats to cause chaos. Groups like the Scarlet Crusade and the Defias can either be brought from the past back to the modern world, or the zone could be plunged back in time to when they were a major threat. Gameplay of the zone would then focus on either fixing the time lines or eliminating the invading threat again- which could even reuse many elements of the Classic quests. All this, along with attacks from stray Scourge, rogue demon lords, and the occasional necromancer, would provide a great variety of interesting threats that would remain evergreen for the remainder of WoW's life. Sprinkle world quests in for max level players and you have vastly improved the world problem.

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I really would love for them to not only not abandon the cata world but build it into chromie time as well as, and I know this is a stretch add in a “classic” world time it would be really cool even if your high poly model is riding around unable to fly interacting with the old models

More me, a re-vamp of the old world would be an update to the graphics and a change to the landscape that would show that the world has actually evolved since the destruction caused in Cataclysm.

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wow2 is really the only way to bring in big numbers of new players, it wouldn't split the player base as much as people fear heck Everquest 1&2 both got expansions again this year.

You would think that with the horde and alliance cooperating, they would decide to clean up their zones 😆.

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I just say Wow 2 if they wanna redo the old world. Start fresh. Veterans start at level 1 too. Happens decades after WoW 1. Makes references to old wow in the quest dialogue

Agree on a lot except for player housing, something similar happened in Draenor and it led to dead cities and a more isolated playstyle, even if you can invite people over, it’s still a significantly more isolated world than if we just had hub cities

It's still funny to me how the titans were so wrong about the world map. They couldn't even Map Pandaria and the Dragon Isles - Two continents where they placed Titan facilities .. Not to mention how the a giant fucking whirlpool (which is somehow a portal to a nearly water-less dimention) seems to move around on the world every few years

i think a huge issue is heirlooms. takes away the reward from completing dungeons, quests and storylines. Also ruins pvp locking a character in at level 19 or 29 with 10 abilities and getting the best gear possible making a twink that shit was fun. i remember getting my first full set of green items and even my first blue item leveling up

This is what I've been wanting to hear! I personally feel this would be a great time to remove level scaling if they ever decided to. Or, have every character start at the new expansion level. With the way scaling works right now, 61 might as well be level 2

First video i came across from you but i gotta say your name is pure creative genius

While there's nothing wrong with modern WoW's art, I've always thought that it lost its WoW feel somehow. If you look at the old WoW at 13:33 for example, and compare it to new WoW art, new wow seem so "cartoony" in lack of a better descriptor, while old WoW had a grittier more serious tone, despite it having exaggerated features. I know that they were limited in what they could do back in 05 - 08, however, it feels like the actual art style of the game shifted from a bit more exaggerated realism to 'Disney'. I don't know. I'm not an art expert, It's hard to articulate exactly what it is. It just feels disconnected from the old WoW somehow. I might be in the minority with this opinion, but as we are so many players, I'm sure I'm not alone.

Good stuff!

I agree on most of the ideas stated here. If there was a world revamp I would like to see cata zones healed or Earthen Ring about the cata Deathwing Destruction areas maybe helping the Elementals and some HearthStone Lore added like it shows to be in lore and some zones looking like they were in Vanilla with upres textures in the zone and actual built Towns ie the town in Redridge Bridge being completed or about to be till the next patch happens (a kinda mini event)

Generally trying to funnel people to endgame is the main problem of wow

Very 2010 and inspiring and honestly I’m ok with that, it’s important to be hopeful. Do I think it will happen? ... oof it’s a lot, like a lot a lot, I think what would happen is pieces would come in stages, like reworking a few zones like in cata and Incorperated dragon riding as a way to get around not the only way though. But it would be hard for them not to increase the speed of the other mounts some so we will see on that... I could go on but never the less very nice video, didn’t catch half the comments as they flashed across the screen so fast I couldn’t blink... thanks again

Narrator: "This happened 13 years ago". 0:35 Me: (just froze in realization at how old I am now.) At some point, they need to stop messing with old content, and just go ahead and release WoW2.

I haven't touched the game since pre cataclysm, but I stil watch content about the game every now and then, like checking on what your highschool ex is up to. Then they announced wotlk classic... I'm still going strong, not going back.. I cross out every week on my calendar that I manage not to purchase a subscription again. That very fact is reason enough for me why I don't even want to give it a try.

I just started leveling on Wrath the other day just for something to do well the servers were down for matience. A week later and only 22 levels gained and I cant wait to log back in. The world is alive with people questing, Grouping up and just chatting. Compared to leveling a warlock in retail right now im 6 hours in and at level 20. Im not sure what one I prefer honestly, but the old world sure is a lot more fun.

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Man some of these commenters haven't played the game (at least retail) in years and it shows. WoW is in a very good state atm, especially with the new design philosophy the team has. The raids are still master class, best in the genre. Gearing, leveling, and balancing is great. The main reason they don't have a new world revamp is because the insane amount of work that needs to be put into it justifies an entire expansion. They can't just add that big of a revamp in a .5 for funsies.

God job bro!

I disagree on a level that Cataclysm ruined questing. The quests became way more enjoyable due to not being the same "kill x y's" over and over again. They experimented with vehicles, minigames, obstacle courses, survivals, being a quest giver, PvZ, /emote RP, quizes,... Cata Stonetalon Mountains is my favorite and most memorable questing experience as a Horde with the whole soldier-rank questline. Playing the game for the first time now is a pain due to sensory overload and no clear path given. You jump right into an expansion after Exile's Reach with a decennia worth of lore behind it and do a forced questline. You aren't free to explore, it's really linear. Cata's music needs to stay. It's Godlike. Nightsong and Tanaris' theme bring me to tears everytime I hear them. But we do indeed need a world revamp because it's pretty dumb that after all those years Azeroth is still half a scar of magma.

Great video.

I hope the progression from Lich King Classic is Warcraft 4. We retcon everything that happened after Arthas fell.

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Having played quiet a few MMOs starting with wow , I feel after playing swtor which is no challenge that wow seems to have taken the same turn , there's no connection to anything in new wow , you can grind in RDF if you want never having to connect with anyone . Running from the Barrens with mining ores and skins because you need to get into market for that really needed few silvers to train only a few simple spells you need , or an upgrade to your bags , whilst putting a group together from some news friends you've made , is what and MMO is all about. Feeling Connected The guild The groups you make and stay with for ages , you bring something to a group even just one thing to make a difference . I could go on lol

The fingerprints of Azeroth found in Zwift is my present day Nostalgia. Cycling through Molten Core and Ashenvale is fun and memorable.

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"Old Wudld" 😜 good vid mate

Would love to see a revamped leveling experience that starts at the original WoW and travels through the major expansions but only focuses on the story-related/important quests in each zone/expansion. Make it so by the time a new player gets to max level, they have done only quests that tell the story of Azeroth, hitting each major chunk of the story from each respective expansion. This would get players up to speed on the lore/story, it wouldn't be boring (how could it be... hell, eliminating the non-story related quests alone would help make it more engaging), and it would do justice to the old zones.

One more thing; I get that non-RPers probably go "Ughhh..." when I say this, but one thing that would be essential for a new world full of phasing and world quests would be to have some kind of RP "phase" without it, kinda like war mode.

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I just wanna say... Yesterday, I went to vashjir, as ive done hundreds of times. There is now a MOVING boat there, for the dragonscale expedition. I have no idea when they added this, but I know for certain it was never there before. I sit AFK in vash a lot, and have absolutely never seen it. Very very strange they would add anything to an unfinished, usually totally empty zone.. If anyone knows anything about this, LMK! had me stumped.

You have so many expansions to level in and its so fast to level, the idea of so much work for levelling content is bonkers, I could imagine next expansion taking place on a revamped Kalimdor and the following expansion taking place on a revamped Eastern Kingdoms, that way they get made with end game content in mind but also provide what your after once their expansions end

Good video. Would be cool if they did revamp the old world over time.

2:24 well, actualy its not about loading screen, in retail if u fly throught hole in invisible barrier at northeasth corner of Tirisfal Glades, u can run then all the way to the north of Eastern Plaguelands (which is unreachable) and see that theres no ghostlands - only endless ocean :D

The thing is, the revamp did a lot of great stuff and generally uplifted so many zones that were underused. Not to mention, questing had a really nice flow. Not all zones were created equal but in the end I think it was a positive in a lot of aspects (besides abominations like splitting the barrens into 2, previous fan fave quest lines being gutted and a few others). I also really enjoyed that they acknowledged time in the world with stuff like the Lakeshire bridge now being complete and NPC's moving onto other things after the Vanilla world. That's good! I legitimately still do love playing through cata zones, they're tons of fun! Where they went horribly wrong is that and I remember this VIVIDLY, most players NEVER saw anything the revamp in both continents offered. XP boosts with heirlooms and party finder made it that you just breezed through to 60 with no effort and even if you did want to see stuff, you basically had to go back and do it for the sake of it with no actual incentive. About a year ago, I completed all the kalimdor/eastern kingdoms zones for questing and it's such a shame that so much great lore was essentially wasted. Not to mention, during cata they didn't let you lvl above 60 in those zones...why is beyond me. On top of that, the old world zones were not featured in any capacity for the end game besides Deathwing randomly flying through a few and one shotting your character. Again, a waste of resources and a loss for players.

It is possible to add a somewhat progressive revamp or perhaps alternate experience with newish NPC and quests

I think the whole map needs to be unified and brought up to current timeline. Like, you can hop on your flying mount and move from stranglethorn vale, to the blood elf starting area, to Kul Tiras, then northrend, and Kalimdor, without seeing a loading screen. It all needs consistent design, world quests and events throughout. Chromie time walking could be the vessel to see old expansions in their silos.

To me the best version of WoW would be this: -Have a main story quest thread through all zones, and flag them for players the way they do now in Shadowlands & Dragonflight. -Bring back fun "side quests" and class fantasy quests that can be there as an option for the players that miss those parts of the game. -When quests are complete, reflect changes in the world with phasing, but also introduce a few new quests in "old" zones every expansion to give players an idea of what's going on there in the present timeline.

Good job man with the videos, stellar work ^

I play wow for exploration and interaction with people in a world... Also taking on quests is fun as well, especially if there is a like a mini boss at the end. Music is phenomenal. I do agree with crafting system always feeling so behind to my players strength, leveling is too slow in classic era.. There is much they can do to improve for new players, your def on the right way of thinking.

Everytime I bring up the terrible new player experience I always get bombarded with people listing 'exploits' on how to get around the bad shepherding job Blizzard does for the fresh out of the box players. These people assume new players not only download the game onto their computers hard drive, they also download encyclopedia level knowledge of it into their brains. Which just makes the whole thing even worse when not only do the devs not give a shit about new players but the old players are impatient and hostile towards them as well.

I think one way they could implement this, is by making the expansions time based. Like let's say we're at the year 40 after dark portal, and normally next expansion would take place during year 42. But this time, blizz will say that the expansion is taking place at the same time as Dragonflight. as in year 40 And it takes place in Lets say Lordaeron. This will allow them to not have to revamp the whole map, but only part by part. This can also allow them to fully remake the Lordaeron sub-continent and make it as big as an expansion size map :D

I think the idea of combining zones is a winner. 3 of the 4 Dragonflight zones contain multiple biomes within, and it's not the first time Blizzard has done this. I would also get rid of flying of any kind until you leave the old world behind.

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Great video brother, but you might want to look into improving audio quality a bit. Your mic was sputtering and chopping. Just some friendly advice. Best of luck on your channel and keep up the great content!

They should add the og vanilla world to chromie time and then make an coax that updates all relevant land masses to current day in a way that makes them an appealing baseline for players to explore for years to come like they world was in vanilla

My theory, is that since the time dragons are hinting at nozdormu’s (think that’s his name) time coming soon (as in his time to become the big evil time dragon), that some time nonsense will be the reason behind a revamp. How? Well, Nozdormu has said he is becoming the big evil time dragon because it’s better than if he didn’t. There’s a good reason for why he gives in. His reasoning behind that being that instead of bringing the true ending (of time I presume), he will just bring a false partial end. He decides to do it by choice, in theory, he could run from the infinite dragon flight forever, but he decides that this is a better outcome than not. I think when we defeat him, we’ll merge all timelines, getting rid of all time nonsense, and revamping the entire history. Allowing blizzard to undo all their mistakes and start from the ground up while retaining things people like. A lot of people really dislike all the time traveling shenanigans we do (outside of the wonderful chromie jokes) and it’s many many plotholes that are never explained (they just expect us to not think too hard about it, but we all think too hard about it). So I think this would be a great way to get rid of all of that lore no one likes, keep all the cool stuff we do like and revamp literally anything they want to.

I feel so distant from the old world when I spend 90% of my time in the Dragon Isles now. Would be nice to have stuff to do elsewhere.

I love visiting my hometown in real life to see how it's grown since I was a kid. It would be great to run around the old world of WoW and see what the citizens of Azeroth have done with the place since being off in the new zones for a decade. Also, what do you think of this idea: Update the world map to be a globe instead of a 2D map. An interactive globe would be super cool and Blizzard could continue to add expansion content in the "new ocean" opposite the maelstrom. They can start with the "Algalon globe" model and make it better.

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15:28 there is a monster head at the horizon and it looks like that turtle from pandaria with a island as his body. Can’t stop looking at it when i noticed it.

I am a very new player, been playing for 5 months I really enjoy df however the old zones are something else, there was so much to explore but only saw like 5 people throughout it

What they should do is use the next expansion dev time to do a full world revamp (including zones added in expansions) and then make all the old versions of zone available to play through Chromie time. Wouldn't even need to add new zones. Just use the existing zones with new quests and world improvements as that expansions leveling and end game.

They could also create class specific storylines like SWTOR did.

For me, levelling would be fun if I could have all the transmog I gained unlocked on the alt at level one. That way I could level slower and enjoy even maybe a slower datadisc.

@4:45 is 1000% correct. I had all epic Firelands gear at level 35; my ilvl was 118. but a level 10 tank was doing 200% more damage. In fact, he was doing two times more damage than the entire raid combined. Curious, I examined his gear; he was wearing green and white, essentially trash gear.

id dig the next expansion taking place in the old zones again.

Funny how most people don't explore in Elden Ring. especially after they gone through the game once. You get the items you want for your character and kill bosses.

good video

Wow 2 the electric big igloo would be cool lol

i think a big issue with the world and leveling right now is it's way to geared towards the alt leveling experience. Just feels like leveling is sped up wayyyyyy too much. I think the easiest way to handle this is to greatly buff heirlooms with exp and lower general leveling exp. That way alt grinders which will be most people running old content can get their alts up quickly. Then for new players maybe offer the same options we currently have chromie time and exiles reach, but then offer a new more curated new player experience. This could be sorta narratively woven to being a new adventurer (or returning) specifically utilizing the bronze dragon flight as they jump you through time to have you assist with important events in azeroth's history giving you a mix of old and new quest tailored to giving you a show of all the important events in that expansion before resolving some timey wimey issue and jumping you to the next timeline all the while dealing with the infinite dragonflight before plopping you back into the current world at the end to help with the newest conflict. This could help players then decide what expansions they want to fully learn about with chromie time.

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The problem is that WoW's had some many things added over the years with nothing done to trim or streamline it. It really needs a 'WoW 2' to just take all the stuff and get it in order.

They absolutely should, but I'd be fine with it being worked on slowly in the background rather than necassarily drop as a main feature

What needs to hapoen is the world to actually heal from Cataclysm. I fly around the eastern kingdom and I still see burning land and the broken dam. Think by now the land should be healing and dam being repaired by dwarves, and I agree. Starting an alt, I feel like I can't enjoy world leveling, as well enjoy seeing others traveling and exploring to level. I miss that of classic.

If they don't do a full revamp. Atleast update the capital cities

imo the best lesson they could take from the cata revamp is that the new questing zones don't need to be narratively relevant to the current expansion or patch. A zone who's quests and questlines exist to simply tell stories about how people live in the world of azeroth without having it be tied to a major world-changing event would be great and help flesh out many under-developed areas of the game's worldbuilding. I also think they could do the world revamp piece-meal - like, do a zone or a cluster of zones at a time and release them as a mid-expansion patch feature. This would be easier for the developers to chew through than the massive undertaking that was the cata revamp.

i would love it as i got into wow during legion and so ileveled 1 character from 1 to 120 th old way where id spend 60 lvls in old world n then every 10 levels after do a quarter of an expansion b4 moving 2 next 1 n i had sm fun lvling in tht old world for 60 lvls took me months n now w th new system sure its sm faster and now i can almost fully complete each xpac but i never do cata bc i dont like how it works now idk feels like once i hit 30 time skips way ahead n all th cata zones open up. both ways have pros n cons but i just have such fond memories of my original journey n want other ppl 2 b able 2 experince tht as thats what got me hooked n new players always saying how game unintuitive well i never felt that bc took it slow thru whole game

One thing I would love for them to do if they merge zones is to finally pull Silvermoon City, the Exodar, and all their related TBC zones into the classic world proper. Its still awkward as hell to have them behind a loading screen.

This screams one thing to me. Instead of going back and trying to fix/rebuild everything they've broken over the years, it's time for a sequel.

This should have been done long time ago. First thing people saw starting a new character is outdated graphics that didn't corelate with what they would see in trailers