Is Cane Creek's New Suspension Fork a Gravel Game-Changer? Sea Otter Classic 2024

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I'm at Sea Otter Classic 2024 and Cane Creek has launched a new gravel suspension fork and here are all the key details on this new product launch.
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@escamunicha4276 Ай бұрын

Why make an absolutely false motto saying "Worlds First Gravel Fork".

@Bobwa2008 Ай бұрын

Who else has made a dedicated gravel suspension fork ?

@escamunicha4276 Ай бұрын

@@Bobwa2008 speedone , fox, lauf, rockshox. These came out years ago.

@FranK-eh7uz Ай бұрын

RS1 came out in 2014..... waiting for a dropper-post for "gravel" bikes now.. lol.

@wx2999 Ай бұрын

@@escamunicha4276 also cannondale, mrp, intend, etc

@VilhelmEdgren 16 күн бұрын

I have a long discussion thread about this on their own KZfaq promo video. The fork looks and seems great, isn't that enough? Claiming it's the first just cheapens it and makes them seem untrustworthy.

@echtogammut Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sue Lauf would have something to say about "world's first gravel fork".

@VilhelmEdgren 16 күн бұрын

Makes them seem untrustworthy.

@coreyreeder3549 Ай бұрын

This is a really slick product. Probably not what I need for how I ride, but I love seeing more suspension in gravel

@charlesblithfield6182 Ай бұрын

I have a gravel bike bike with a Cannondale Ultra Fatty Headshok fork and when it’s turned on while riding gravel trails the difference is not just noticeable but gives much improved comfort and control. Having the suspension is quite different ride from a shock stem or seatpost like Redshifts products.

@torstenfrank1856 Ай бұрын

Really wholeheartedly agree with nearly all this guy said (except the part of the 50 mm negatively affecting riding). So kudos to Canecreek - the design ideas are completely on point. Now - how this fork actually rides will be interesting to see and test. I definitely would like to see something like this as a sleek and lightweight gravel bzw. overlander xc fork in around 60 - 80 mm travel.

@Pionirish Ай бұрын

I use the Fox AX gravel fork and I really wouldn't want to ride gravel without it. It's so well tuned, I just leave it on soft and rarely bother with lockout either. It's easy to say "just ride a hard tail MTB" but the geometry is still very different. Maybe a hardtail MTB from 1999 would be more similar, but a modern MTB is a completely different beast. The only downside I can see to this is the price which is pretty eye watering. I can't see many takers when it's the price of a bike!

@denethorpalantir2815 Ай бұрын

I could of used that riding down some ridge lines in Virginia a few days ago.

@jamiehiggins1462 Ай бұрын

I like the look of it and would love to test it out. I have two diverges with future shocks and I do think it really helps smooth out the ride. I think it would be very useful on really chunky gravel. I look forward to your review of the fork.

@drinkwater5762 Ай бұрын

would this fork fit on surly big dummy?

@owenanstey436 Ай бұрын

What are the actual weights of these forks?

@WhaJMc Ай бұрын

Interesting idea but lack of remote lockout would be a deal breaker for me. Add this to the 30mm version and I'd consider getting one for my next gravel bike.

@andrewwhite1065 Ай бұрын

I would prefer something narrower and more aero for city use, on my flat bar fixie or road bike, with a disks up front. Maybe a bladed inverted fork for cobblestones and the local bikepaths. And priced well under other high end light, conventional and more complex forks. But i really like the 40mm version w/lock out. And would work well on the hardtai,l particulary on the faster trails.

@ezclimb1 Ай бұрын

Did he mention the weight of each fork?

@EdZachary1 Ай бұрын

no, but it's $1,200.USD !!!

@d00dEEE Ай бұрын

Yeah, I was curious, too. From company website "Only 990g, or 2.2 lbs for Invert SL and 1113g for Invert CS." So...

@nellyx1x493 Ай бұрын

Yeah, but 'service intervals'. I run a one legged version like this on an mtb converted to a fast cross/atb/gravel thing - and the short service intervals compared to the hours a rider is likely to put into this sort of bike, is a 'next-level' P.I.T.A.

@nickhaas3310 Ай бұрын

Congrats on making it to the big time on KZfaq Will!

@Peaceman5790 Ай бұрын

Does anyone (or David) know the actual axle to crown measurements?

@paulpetrie6660 Ай бұрын

It's huge! 430mm

@williamroder Ай бұрын

I think that gravel bikes in general are not made to so rough terrains that demands suspension. 700x45 or 50 mm tires or 650B wheels with 54mm or something else, combinated with correct pressures can resolve. To really rought terrains a MTB works better. But thats my opinion, I prefer do some upgrades in my gravel with this money, but using a gravel suspension can make sense to some riders.

@timtaylor9590 Ай бұрын

seems legit, but like he said, the frame has to work with the fork. so are they going to provide some frame geometry numbers that will optimize performance with the forks, or do they just want ppl to drop over 1k and hope it works?

@andrewsiasparks Ай бұрын

What about the damper? Is it coil? Does it have an oil skirt or just a dust seal? So many questions

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte Ай бұрын

sadly its all hype

@galenkehler Ай бұрын

No damping whatsoever

@charlesblithfield6182 Ай бұрын

I like it, it’s a well considered design. If the price can be made low enough they will sell a ton of them.

@biking261 Ай бұрын

That looks really good

@Thegentlegoon Ай бұрын

If it performs and wins races you’ll see more competitors running them. Respect.

@Lasicak Ай бұрын

For me, a gravel bike is pure simplicity. A suspension fork adds another point that must be serviced. Will it be like with MTB forks every 50 hours to service the lower legs and every 200 hours a complete replacement of all seals? No thanks.

@Pionirish Ай бұрын

I've put 5000 miles on a Fox AX gravel fork (including commuting in some pretty horrendous winter conditions) and it's still buttery smooth like new. Haven't had to do anything to it yet!

@Lasicak Ай бұрын

Fox’s recommended service interval is 125 hours of riding for this fork. Without this, you risk damaging the fork. Scratch the fork stanchion etc... I had a mountain bike before gravel and a freshly serviced fork just always worked better.

@thomasseymour4190 Ай бұрын

They really put the damper on the brake side? So when if/when it fails, the damper fluid also takes out the front brake pads. Oops. Guess no one has experienced that feature of the lefty. Otherwise, somewhat more compelling than fox/rs offerings.

@steveedwards5280 Ай бұрын

That's assuming there's a fluid damper in there. Could be a reinvention of the old elastomer forks.

@markmartel1738 Ай бұрын

I wonder if this could be put on a Specialized Diverge

@whatwouldjacobdo Ай бұрын

People are absolutely hibernating on the eeSilk+ seatpost.

@arcticfox8779 Ай бұрын

Why not just run a 100 mm fork? My orbea alma easily converts from a hardtail MTB to gravel bike with this setup.

Ай бұрын

The price is absurd. I can get a used MTB for thprice of just the fork to go trash it on the forest trails... He needs to sell so he downplays any possible drawbacks but the truth is that rigid gravel forks provide enough compliance for typical gravel riding while making the bike faster than any suspension fork.

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte Ай бұрын

we all have money to burn , i just got a air fork 76 us lol 60mm i live in Virginia at the base of a mountain , imo 90% is hype most times we can buy the lest and get the most

@michaelwierzba9307 Ай бұрын

Honestly, I'd rather see an interview with the engineer. Looks cool!

@phil_d Ай бұрын

I'd go with a Cannondale Lefty any day.

@peterjohn548 Ай бұрын

Cannondale Slate with the Oliver carbon fork.. the OG gravel bike that years later bike brands still haven't caught up with

@phil_d Ай бұрын

@@peterjohn548 Bingo! That's my bike 😉 The only issue is the slight lack of tyre choice for 650B wheels.

@peterjohn548 Ай бұрын

@phil_d it's my bike too.. I use schwalbe G one all round on my slate find them enough grip off road and rapid on road.. on my bad boy again 27.5 I use them aswell

@phil_d Ай бұрын

@peterjohn548 That's what I have at the moment. I have just acquired it and have been changing some stuff, like Hope brakes (indulgent, I know) and a Profile Design handlebar. The bar is narrow for the top and hoods, but flares for the drops and has a small rise from the stem. Looking forward to getting it to the Lake District this year!

@peterjohn548 Ай бұрын

@phil_d during lock down I went a bit crazy with mine.. a Fatcreations paint job, protected by invis xpel ppf, strada hand built wheels, grx di2 2x 11 gears, new hologram crankset with spidering chain ring, pro discover carbon seatpost and bars, ceramic bearings all round.. started off nado grey and orange ultegra version.. only the seat post clamp and forks survives from before the madness that took place with it Would love to get mine to the lakes at some point, may send my fork off to tf tuned again

@gerardstrazzeri294 Ай бұрын

Why not try this fork on a commuter e-bike in a rough area of road and gravel. And see if/ how much of a difference it makes. A warranty would help offset the cost.

@pedrolahoz Ай бұрын

There are some instances, specially when I ride my gravel with mountain bikers, where a suspension fork may be desirable, however my 50mm 17psi tires and trained arms and body probably do better😂.

@j.k.b9247 Ай бұрын

I gotta be honest, this thing looks worse than the fox or rockshox version... Still prefere my solid carbon forks

@decoherence926 Ай бұрын

$1200 for a gravel suspension fork. More creative ways the bike industry is shilling marketing-- at this point, just get a mtb and call it a day.

@FranK-eh7uz Ай бұрын

"just get a mtb and call it a day." - couldn't agree more. a light-weight hardtail MTB with rigid fork, 45-50 mm mtb/"gravel" tires and 2by or 1by and a 400 -420 wide bar will do more than fine.......

@richardfarias2920 Ай бұрын

Wren has already made this fork. It's been around for two years now. Also American made.

@jasonwright606 25 күн бұрын

Heavier though.

@gravelracer295 Ай бұрын

❤🎉to chci 👍👌

@mikeloncoski5574 Ай бұрын

Cane creek first run product, have fun.

@tannermccormick4995 Ай бұрын

"I don't feel like there's much drawback" (Other than being $1,200)

@jerrykirshman3342 Ай бұрын

Gravel bikes will all eventually look like my '93 Stumpjumper

@jasonwright606 Ай бұрын

Grinvert , ha ha :)

@RAP4EVERMRC96 Ай бұрын

1100€... :(

@graemeross1998 Ай бұрын

If you need shox get a xc mtb

@marksandoval5361 Ай бұрын

Once you start adding forks to a Gravelbike, you might as well just get a full-sus XC mountain bike. A Specialized Epic World Cup or Trek Supercaliber make excellent Gravelbikes. My own Gravel bike is a 2023 Epic Evo with 700x47 Specialized Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires. It's just as fast as Gravelbike on pavement and gravel but still performs like an XC bike on singletrack.

@franciscoromano377 Ай бұрын

a gravel bike with suspension fork turns into... guess what... a mountain bike! 😂😂😅😅

@jasonlyster2408 Ай бұрын

I had to stop the video at "World's First Gravel Fork", too much BS for me to go on.

@jevgeniardassov Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ (sorry). 1100-1200 euros for a gravel fork. I must be dreaming… 🫣

@dexmcluskey4832 Ай бұрын

Too expensive.

@MarkArthur Ай бұрын

No, Rudy looks better. Cane creek has soooo much clearance it looks bad

@RupertFear Ай бұрын

um, no.....

@galenkehler Ай бұрын

This is an absolute joke on every level. I was actually surprised at how much the rest of their products seem suspicious now, if they'll put this guy out there saying this.

@yukiko_5051 Ай бұрын

Wth they got upsidedown suspension like motorcycle now?

@rodrigofernandes5859 Ай бұрын

Boring

@brijnich Ай бұрын

It's a modern 1990's MTB bike

@ravenmoto5948 Ай бұрын

Just ride a hardtail MTB at this point.

@vanivari359 Ай бұрын

oh well, that's how life works i guess, people don't stay in their 5 boxes, they see a market gap between 2 boxes and try to make a product for that. And at the end - why not, the geometry of a MTB feels totally different compared to my road or gravel bike, the handlebar alone makes a giant difference for speed and feeling and there is a significant weight difference and all that stuff. If people really mix street and real gravel, why not. For many (most) everything "good enough" is probably better than a specialized (not the brand;) bike. I would not buy it, because it has no place in my profile and bike collection, but let people buy what they think they need/want.

@superpoopertrooper9884 Ай бұрын

Why?

@steveharrington1052 Ай бұрын

Deja vu… seems that not many people remember how the mountain bike was created and how it evolved…Take a road bike, widen the tires, improve the brakes, toss the drop bars and add some suspension. Chase down Gary Fisher, he’ll fill you in. 50 years later the cycle repeats but great news is that the ideal gravel bike (XC MTN bike) has matured to perfection.

@spacehed23 Ай бұрын

Except, the use cases are very different. I’m old enough to remember riding early mountain bikes and they were literally designs for riding down mountains and over extreme terrain. That’s not what a gravel bike is at all. They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces. Yes. Gravel bike is versatile but it’s nowhere near a MTB. Yes there’s overlaps between where you can go but I would never ride down the side of a rough hill on drop bars 😂

Ай бұрын

@@spacehed23 "They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces." --- yes, exactly. Then who is this product for? There WILL BE measurable performance penalty, regardless of what the sales guy says.... Whoever wants to fly over moderately rough terrain and even more during paved transits is usually perfectly fine with a carbon fork and well selected tire options. And whoever isn't after speed and wants to navigate rough terrain beyond the capabilities of drop bars and gravel bikes in general will go for a MTB with regular suspension fork. So for whom, again, is this product....? Maybe people who actually objectively need a MTB but desperately want the coolness factor of a gravel bike to go with their moustache and a checked flannel shirt but won't admit it...?

@warwicksworkshop9511 17 күн бұрын

Sorry, how much am I paying for a fork with no damping? And this whole schtick of pretending to have invented the gravel suspension fork, as well as the first inverted fork that is actually 'successful'? Thats complete marketing bullshit of the highest order.

@ashleyhouse9690 Ай бұрын

Anybody who needs suspension to ride gravel shouldn't be riding gravel in the first place. Stick to tarmac.

@RAP4EVERMRC96 Ай бұрын

Just take a look at Dylan Johnson. Dont be so narrow minded

@pilinks85 Ай бұрын

Yea people should listen to you because?

@Thegentlegoon Ай бұрын

Such an ignorant statement 😮

@EdFisher-vd7zw Ай бұрын

Gravel riding was never meant to be riding a bike on dirt with a suspension, front, or rear!!! Gravel riding was and is all about grass roots!!! Here we go again, the industry putting something down the consumers' throat, as well as the grass roots Gravel rider and racer something they (we) don't need or want that drives up the price of an entity that has been and continues to be about simplicity (grass roots)!!! Marketing to increase profits!!!