Remember Instagram and Facebook didn't have ads at first then they got popular this will likely happen to Cara too because you can't run these apps for free I'm going to very wary of this app as I am of all apps.

Exactly!! Hope it stays that way.

​@@christinakentart oh no

Did you forget Instagram is a place upload photos correct? Of course you're going to see influencers

Cara is so refreshing! I'm also happy to be rid of influencers!

Hi! I just started at Cara too. I'm a traditional artist too, and have the same feeling. But maybe it just takes some time to get in the right 'bubble'.

I’m a watercolour painter and I’ve noticed this. Cara has a very specific type of audience and I don’t think I fit there 😢

That could be a question of time. since early adopters of a new app tend to be young and also early adopters of digital art.

Should we worry about instagram taking images for ai ? I wish to continue to post there .

yes, this! but I've actually seen traditional artists post this exact question on Cara, like "where are we, painters?" so everybody seems to be struggling with the same thing

pfffft sure dude. a sacred ground of social media. It will turn toxic in a matter of months.

Oh cool! Thanks for sharing. I'm hopeful as well.

It's honestly worth such a deep dive It's a fantastic story and zemotion could potentially be the person of the year

@@MightycondriaPOWERHOUSE she is now asking for donations on a 95K bill. she will be the rich of the year that's for the sure.

​@@solarydaysHow unfair your comment. If there's no ads, how would she pay to create it and then maintain it for us all to use it. Is she supposed to go bankrupt for someone else's benefit? It's hypothetical, I don't know about her finances, but why shouldn't she look for contributions for a job done for other artist benefit as well. I'm sure she has paid a lot. And then, maybe in the future she will see some financial benefit, who knows? But why not? Why some people think artists should be poor and work for free!

@@cpnoboat7659 she could have added adds or any other monetization model from the very beginning if she wanted to. now she is begging for a large sum of money from people who generally don't have much to spare to cover for mistakes that could have been entirely avoided. how many times will she repeat it with the exact same excuse? artists should be poor and work for free? yeah that's exactly what she is getting on ,a person who is not part of the industry crowd she is trying to take money from for a service that doesn't function and does not protect your data. there is no wall, the images can be taken without an account. the host company they use offers AI features to clients, she literally feeds them with your data. they use third party service for AI detection... a third party company that is also getting your data and can and will sell it to whoever. At this point if an AI company disguised themselves as anti AI and set up a platform and donation for it you would throw money at them without thinking. somebody is gonna do that seeing now how gullible you guys are

Eventually is going to flop, they need to advertise and people will not be happy with this or they gonna be bought by a bigger company. The app is good, but is like an Artstation, there's no interaction, if you comment in somebody's post they will like your comment and that's it, and there's no growth potential if you were big on Instagram and advertise your profile you will be big there, and your posts are going to front page, but if you are trying to grow an audience there's very little room from you.

I saw someone call Cara a "portfolio website not a social one" so perhaps your concerns have some merit.

Well, I was a part of a community art site called Paigeeworld before it shut down (the creator was suing their father who was a co-owner, messy stuff, so the site didnt shut down for other reasons). The community was very open and everyone encouraged the growth of each other. Its not like joining such a social site will make artistic vision stay in an echo chamber. We still have the outside world aside from the site. Cara is a good thing

Idk, I grew up on deviant art and left because of all of the UI changes they were making without addressing the creepy grooming or untagged porn back around 2015-ish. I loved DA because I could see and share my art with artists, it gave me motivation to make stuff and try out a ton of different mediums, styles, and go out to find new subjects. It's the reason I'm a artist today, even if I would spit in it's face today for how the company fucked up their own site. I never minded the ads, I could even deal with more ads on cara if it would keep the site up! I haven't seen this many artists in one place in years, and I've missed it so much, I'VE MISSED IT SO MUCH. The closest I've seen is art communities on discord, but those can only hold maybe a few hundred artists and you can't really follow people or specific subjects in a discord chat. Like it's super fun to talk to people but it's not the same you know?

Cara revolves around the opposite of what you describe in your first paragraph. It's no longer about following trends of making viral content, there's no algorithm punishing you for not churning out "content" often enough to feed the beast. Deviantart was like that before they wanted to be "modern", then everything was about FOMO, fighting the algorith and seeing your work being drowned anyway in an ocean of mundane picts of salon nails, bath selfies and the like.

I hope so! Will try to encourage them to join.

If collectors arent using it, then i am not entirely sure i see the point, do i want my art admired by 1000 other artists or by 100 art collectors, i know which i choose

Exactly I think it's a waste of time. ​@@nicbeese1

There is no way for Cara to know what is AI and what's not. I don't think it's worth it. They will probably also misidentify art that is not AI as AI.

I’ve already seen Artistic Agencies sign up, because they do Not want AI art. They stated they will be using Cara to find talent. I’m also seeing a lot of artists state they’d be ok covering 5$/month, as a cushion for those who can only afford $1/month

Yes! I'll take 10 in-person conversations over 10,000 likes any day.

Glad you are enjoying your experience on the app so far! I like the environment as well.

Me too! So much art! And people that I follow!! Imagine that.

I hope so too!

I’m in a similar position. I mostly post for my own enjoyment, but have become disillusioned by the scrapping & lack of protection for artists by Meta, etc.

That‘s actually how it worked years ago on insta xD when the times where simpler … we are way to addicted to numbers … and yes i don‘t get how people are expecting big numbers after like couple of weeks xD … cara itself is trying to grow ….

Great point. I also really like the reposting feature - I can share work of artists I love without it mixing with my portfolio :)

I feel you, I don't think I can leave Instagram yet either, but maybe someday...

Give please instruction how to install on iPad Pro and Window machine. Christina is not telling how to do it.

@@cms4Lenayou could check cara faq. as far as i know, it’s only on phones

I agree, an artist network is very valuable. And yes - diversify!

You summed up my thoughts perfectly in the bottom sentence. As a junior graphic designer the people that seek/will seek 😏 out my skills aren’t other designers. The majority of designers I follow on instagram aren’t “original”. I constantly see the same typography, color palette, etc. and they have design prompt challenges (which in my opinion is basically what AI is doing). Also graphic design isn’t art and it isn’t just posters, logo design, and branding.

I wouldn't be opposed to that, worth considering!

there is a portfolio section on the app but thats about it so far, but i think its great !

That seems like a good idea that would hopefully benefit both the app and the users. Would create a new avenue for artists to make money and sell art, while also funding the app.

I feel you, it's frustrating to start a new app... I am hopeful though. Will be interesting to see how/if Cara can become sustainable.

@@nerobaal6655 yup! and thanks for the good luck -appreciated!

it's very visible

Thanks for the tip!

Thanks Maura! :)

For sure!

Awesome, so glad to hear it!

Thank you!

Thank you, I hope so too!

Yeah, I'm hopeful about Cara, but I'm not leaving instagram any time soon for the same reason. So in the meantime I'll be juggling both apps :/

I agree it is nice to see process videos, and it would make the app more inclusive for other artists. I think they might add video in the future. l'm just hoping if they do, the app doesn't become like tiktok...

For sure! :)

So so true! That's a great way of thinking about it.

Thank you! :) Yes that's a good point, I don't think Cara is beyond the reach of big AI.

all the photos you upload to cara is glazed as zemotion paired up with glaze to help make the app! so it is protected from being used in ai :3

one reason to use cara is you can upload your image there first and itll be glazed and then you can use it to upload elsewhere to have your work protected

@@teddybearmei8713 they're not at the moment tho. they had to turn that feature off a while ago bc of security issues

For sure!

Thank you!

I like that idea! Could be a good way to foster community as well.

Awesome, see you there!

Me too! I hope so, the past few days it has been very hard to use. Hopefully it gets better as they upgrade their servers.

Yeah, same. Someone used the term "fast food content," it's like the apps are pushing content that is attention-grabbing and addictive, but lacks substance. And the sad part is, it works, it keeps people glued to the screen :/

@@christinakentart I loved the days when I would open Instagram and watch art related posts only

I feel you... sometimes I'm like "no, not another app!" but I need an alternative to instagram :/

Awesome, see you there!

That's awesome! See you there :)

Thank you! Yes, I agree, I think if I were a gallery or collector, I'd want to be on the app with all of the artists!

Thanks Richard! :)

Glad to hear you are liking it so far :) I'm also happy to see so much art!

For sure!

Awesome! See you there :)

Makes sense to me. I'm just worried the ad model is such a slippery slope - they might quickly move away from art and towards "engagement."

@@christinakentart I hope not. One of the things I miss about Instagram is finding people through the "newest post" tab. The algorithm took away the opportunity for new creators to be discovered.

Yes!! Artists unite!

That's awesome!

Oh cool! If you come to an opening in the bay area and see me, please say hi! :)

Glad you've found it supportive so far! Me too :)

Thank you!

animated gif covers? what do you mean?

@@molambird In someone's portfolio, you can see the gif they posted play in the thumbnail, unlike Instagram where it's just a still.

So true!

Awesome, see you there!

So true!

Yes! I found many of my favorite traditional artists from Instagram have recently joined Cara.

Yes! Let's at least give it a chance! :)

For sure! Hope you found it helpful

Awesome, see you there!

Haha thanks for the confirmation. That's great! See you there :)

Awesome, thanks for the info!

I haven't heard of any restrictions, I was able to join using my Gmail account (I clicked sign in, and then selected gmail).

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad to hear it was easy to opt out! Helpful to know that it only applies to the work going forward, seems messed up to me, although it is what I suspected.

Yeah, I'm getting tired of all of the different apps as well. I agree they need to make money somehow, and how they decide to do that will determine the future of the app.

Thank you!

You can upload gif

Fair point. I wonder if there is a way to allow video without it becoming like tiktok?

That's a good point. I hope so too!

Glad you joined! I hope you connect with others on the app soon. I know the app has been glitchy over the past few days as well.

Yes, I think that's what happens with my ads too.

That's great to hear. I hope so!

@@christinakentart they also have a discord server (that is much busier now) for some updates, even some bug reports or suggestions or anyone can help you with some problems you might have.

Thank you! Yes, I think it has a lot of potential. Fingers crossed!