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Is Chaotic Transformation a Meme or Dream? | Standard MTG Arena

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@Nitnelav1994
@Nitnelav1994 10 ай бұрын
As a video concept, have you considered making a Part 2 to these where you take the core idea and make your own version of it? I think I would learn a lot about deck building and tuning to see how you would approach that
@terrarianpro2140
@terrarianpro2140 10 ай бұрын
easy, emrakul
@0Whitelottus0
@0Whitelottus0 10 ай бұрын
I think this is a fantastic idea
@1tab1tab8
@1tab1tab8 10 ай бұрын
Like deck doctor from Hearthstone, great idea and proved to be popular
@ObsidianG
@ObsidianG 10 ай бұрын
That would be Against the Odds. So Against the Odds Chaotic Transformation is what you are wanting.
@horsebones727
@horsebones727 10 ай бұрын
I would watch every time
@tylerholzhauser9076
@tylerholzhauser9076 10 ай бұрын
As somebody with no extra wildcards I humbly request a part 2 with a better land base and a better sideboard. The deck was actually super cool to watch pop off.
@guccibandana1915
@guccibandana1915 9 ай бұрын
It's better with 4 Azusas many journeys (which will become the new rampant growth) and 4 invasion of zendikar. Also 3 etali and 3 breach the multiverse. The goal is to quickly go 2 -> 4 -> 7 or 6 and sac a treasure to get portal. Interaction suxxx (binding and spite are duds) my take is full combo and SB as needed. Got to diamond on arena barely playing last season and know the next set will add a couple great ones
@tonsofsodium6641
@tonsofsodium6641 10 ай бұрын
Gotta remember that Invoke Calamity lets you go off with Chaotic Transformation on your opponent's end step. That probably breaks backs all day.
@tonsofsodium6641
@tonsofsodium6641 10 ай бұрын
@@banhammer3904 in some matchups for sure. In other matchups it's probably one of your best draws for the instant speed potential -- it even speeds out off color boardwipes.
@matthewhalsan6459
@matthewhalsan6459 10 ай бұрын
It's a cool idea. What about trying to put roles on your token creatures to spin into enchantments like overwhelming splendor or omniscience. Opens you up to being blown out, but allows you to create token enchantments.
@bobby_tablez
@bobby_tablez 10 ай бұрын
Wow, great point. I had always wanted enchantment tokens to go along with Arcane Bombardment and now we have that with roles.
@La_Lente_Oscura
@La_Lente_Oscura 10 ай бұрын
Charming scoundrel is a card I love with Braids. Can make an role or an artifact.
@Uberriffic.
@Uberriffic. 10 ай бұрын
Okay, so I just tried this with Royal Treatment to protect the 1/1 you can make with Return from the Wilds and oh *boy* does it work a treat. Lets you spin straight into One with the Mulitverse and go all the way off from there. Just sucks having to retool the deck to not use Careful Cultivation or Stimulus Package.
@connormohs6046
@connormohs6046 10 ай бұрын
Not in standard though, but I guess there is One with the Multiverse
@Marksmaan
@Marksmaan 10 ай бұрын
Tbh, too ambitious. And it makes Atraxa worse because that's yet another type you can't get.
@devinmcnicholas2693
@devinmcnicholas2693 10 ай бұрын
35:21 You got a land drop, which means you can use your treasures for everything you need. Big score, turn 1 treasure into a blocker, turn second treasure into sac fodder. Your turn, play land, chaotic transformation 1 artifact and 1 creature.
@eon2330
@eon2330 10 ай бұрын
He makes 99 mistakes per game with this deck. He clearly doesn't quite comprehend the gameplan of using civilian blockers, food for stalling etc. He has had 1 or 2 ways out on half his losses on board lol. 😊
@bobwilson679
@bobwilson679 7 ай бұрын
This was very frustrating to watch
@jjohansen86
@jjohansen86 10 ай бұрын
I support your decision at 21:00. You were like 5% to win with the missed land drops and that information is real value for games 2 and 3, probably more than 5%.
@TMidander
@TMidander 10 ай бұрын
Yup, most sane scoop 2023
@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333
@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333 10 ай бұрын
Definitely the right call. I've done this plenty knowing that games 2 and 3 go much better when you have information your opponent doesn't
@KavkaObscura
@KavkaObscura 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, i just think he should be yeld at for keeping that unplayable hand - that's what led him to like 5% to win.
@PhetaFox
@PhetaFox 10 ай бұрын
​@@KavkaObscurafr, horrible hand to keep
@Tawnos_
@Tawnos_ 10 ай бұрын
Winning the match vs the early GGer was *chef's kiss* exquisite
@sveltemax3606
@sveltemax3606 10 ай бұрын
One of the best Meme or Dream runs yet, really enjoyed watching the highs and lows with this one, and especially your deck-teching at the end where we got to see actual tech and not just "MAKE A SIDEBOARD NERD" loved it!
@bungalowbill521
@bungalowbill521 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been playing a lot of chaotic transformation in standard. I prefer to play it in a control shell that tries to slow down the game rather than a ramp shell since the ramp shell compares poorly to domain ramp. Control gets a lot of incidental tokens these days between the wandering emperor and sunfall. It was a lot of fun in the mono black meta when threats weren’t as diverse, but it’s a bit more challenging now.
@I43573
@I43573 10 ай бұрын
I played a decent amount of this in Standard. Losing Fable was a huge blow to the deck, but Chaotic Transformation is legitimately powerful, albeit with lots of setup and deck building requirements.
@xCobrazzzx
@xCobrazzzx 10 ай бұрын
The Halo forger play was such a big brain play. Love chaotic transformation in my meme dream storm deck!
@soul94evisceration
@soul94evisceration 10 ай бұрын
regarding the lands, I'm honestly not even sure you want black and blue in your manabase, I'd argue that just makes it worse. you need those colors only in case you wanna hardcast Atraxa, and by that point in the game you most likely have enough treasure tokens to do that anyway
@mcintyre0591
@mcintyre0591 10 ай бұрын
I think it is more for 1 mana binding than casting Atraxa
@soul94evisceration
@soul94evisceration 10 ай бұрын
@@mcintyre0591 true, hadn't realized that, although I can't help but wonder if that's really worth it
@DaveBerryForPresident
@DaveBerryForPresident 10 ай бұрын
That last game, Seth was catching so much land, like a parachute-less skydiver.
@brandonharrison3548
@brandonharrison3548 10 ай бұрын
I wish these Meme or Dream videos were split with a few games using the original deck followed by a few games with Seth's updated version. After a few games with the original not-so-tuned deck, we kind of go on repeat.
@FidasEternas
@FidasEternas 10 ай бұрын
At 35:20, why not activate stimulus package to create one or more creature tokens to block?
@TheMegaman5g
@TheMegaman5g 10 ай бұрын
Great intro, 10/10
@MCSEMan23
@MCSEMan23 10 ай бұрын
Ah, the old polymorph deck. Played one way back when - my only creatures were polar krakens.....
@cameton_youtube
@cameton_youtube 10 ай бұрын
Would love to see this come back in against the odds with some improvements!
@1Shayz1
@1Shayz1 10 ай бұрын
This deck would benefit from a card that grants haste like bitter reunion so that Atraxa doesn't just die when your opponent untaps
@terrarianpro2140
@terrarianpro2140 10 ай бұрын
*whistles while replacing Atraxa, Grand Unifier with Emrakul, The Aeons Torn*
@-homerow-
@-homerow- 10 ай бұрын
The mana curve and land base is giving me anxiety 😂
@-homerow-
@-homerow- 10 ай бұрын
The sideboard made me think I was asleep and this is a dream 😂😂
@FlyingSpaceOstrich
@FlyingSpaceOstrich 10 ай бұрын
I built an Izzet chaotic transformation deck using Ovika, Enigma Goliath as the finisher. Super fun to play and the Ovika often catches opponents off guard as it's able to turn the corner super fast
@jameshayes-barber9340
@jameshayes-barber9340 10 ай бұрын
30:51 you could have eaten the food for lifegain
@andrewadams5058
@andrewadams5058 10 ай бұрын
35:18. Sorry why not prioritize binding to survive?
@TehKang
@TehKang 10 ай бұрын
The chaotic energies were so strong they ripped the fabric of space time in match 4 lol
@kryptoxeen5261
@kryptoxeen5261 10 ай бұрын
I ran into something similar to this the other day. It took me by complete surprise. Awesome deck! Totally kicked my ass.
@streiifi
@streiifi 10 ай бұрын
been a while for a dream or meme deck,im excited for this one
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 10 ай бұрын
21:15 definitely agree with the tactical concession there. Keeping the hand was a mistake, but conceding game one after the mana screw was objectively correct play. you were zero percent to win that game, so best to hide information
@FlyingSpaceOstrich
@FlyingSpaceOstrich 10 ай бұрын
Also, this deck did play invasion of zendikar in the sideboard. That could be why there are so many basics. I still think running 5 or 6 basics is plenty though, because this deck only needs to get to 6 lands to combo off
@TMidander
@TMidander 10 ай бұрын
Surprisingly cool meme or dream, although Seth is correct that it isnt very chaotic when you make your deck about hitting only one thing 😀
@AlluMan96
@AlluMan96 10 ай бұрын
This deck feels like the big-brain version of a galaxy-brain idea. I've seen the idea of this deck before and one of the great things about it is that there can be some level of personalisation in what cards are your end-game and any relevant plans built around said end-game. You could run a role-package to spin into an omiscience and just run big explosive cards, you could run a pure ramp build that tries to race for a Door to Nothingness, there are so many choices for creatures that can just devastate a field, it's something a person can have alot of fun with to make their own. I'd say for this version specifically, I find it odd that one of the cards missing from it's sideboard is one that directly answers some of it's worst matchup, Transmogrify. Basically just a creature-only version of Chaotic Transformation that's 2 mana cheaper, it's the bread and butter of most decks that use this kind of strategy. Having an Atraxa online at turn 3 could potentially outpace any aggro-plan and is probably going to jumpscare a control deck that thought tapping out on turn 2-4 against what appears on the surface as a Gruuhl deck would be safe. In this deck, it feels like it could even be a maindeck option, as getting to spin into an Atraxa early lets you fetch the rest of your package potentially and get your Portal to Phyrexia online ASAP.
@mralumina3566
@mralumina3566 10 ай бұрын
My brother in christ this is for standard format
@AlluMan96
@AlluMan96 10 ай бұрын
@@mralumina3566 You know, you saying that does make me realize that I have no idea which of the cards I have named here are or aren't in standard currently. I haven't played in standard rotation before or since 2017, so I have absolutely no clue of what cards are even part of it, especially with the changes done to rotation a year (?) ago. The point still stands. It's a fun archetype that has alot of paths to take on how you get to your end board and what said end board looks like.
@MrMacdaddymcfly
@MrMacdaddymcfly 10 ай бұрын
I hope you play this again with your updated list this is sweet
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 10 ай бұрын
I think the right call against Jund was to binding the turtle, then big score pitch the transformation.
@rockandrolljew89
@rockandrolljew89 10 ай бұрын
Sideboard plan of ramp hard and drop bombs every turn until they run out of counters/removal is an interesting idea, though maybe swap a few cards for Tyrranax Rex and some removal. In any event, this could be a good shell to experiment with on your own.
@atk9989
@atk9989 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking that was the play against control decks, just full on shift the plan to something that plays well against control.
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 10 ай бұрын
The idea of the deck seems sound, but it definitely should be running the "normal" ramp setup more so that there's persistent mana to cast your big stuff with if the game drags on. Thunderhead Migration and Battle for Zendikar in the main, sideboard should definitely have Brotherhood's End for the go-wide matchups and something to burn out a Sheoldred, as well as whatever Thrun effect is currently in Standard (meaning an uncounterable green beat stick), could probably support Burn Down The House pretty well as both a sweeper and a way to put a creature token on the board. And of course the mana base looks like it was "whatever's in my collection because I can't afford 12 gruul duals right now". Might be worth putting Topiary Stomper in the sideboard for control matchups, to pivot off of the Chaotic Transformation plan and into a simple ramp deck? There could also be room in the mana base to put a couple more White sources, and be able to run Surge of Salvation in the sideboard, which could be an extremely potent addition with how dominant Black is in Standard.
@uucue
@uucue 10 ай бұрын
I recently had 12 lands out of 15 cards, but in limited, so it was 12/17 lands in my 40 card deck
@mewr11
@mewr11 10 ай бұрын
I think with a slightly more competent mana base and a slightly more though-out sideboard, this deck could be kinda real. Stimulus Package in particular is a really good find to combo with the Chaotic Transformation.
@doopersooper
@doopersooper 10 ай бұрын
This is pretty sweet, but I've got an even jankier challenge for you. How about going for a one turn kill with a specific creature + enchantment + artifact combo? ( e.g. All Will Be One, Ob Nixilis Captive Kingpin, Tablet of Compleation)
@Dragiceoriginal
@Dragiceoriginal 10 ай бұрын
Seth, match 2 - You should not have kept that hand. It did literally nothing unless you drew a green source, or 2 lands. Your deck does *nothing* before turn 4 without a green source. It’s not an early scoop to concede a game you’re blatantly dead on, I’m kinda surprised you’ve been making content for this many years and you still don’t know what an early scoop is.
@EternalDensity
@EternalDensity 10 ай бұрын
I exclusively know you as "Seth better known as Saffron Olive" :P
@emiliasmith5561
@emiliasmith5561 10 ай бұрын
Colossal Skyturtle seems like a decent creature enchantment hit without being a dead card in hand
@bensteinhauser784
@bensteinhauser784 20 күн бұрын
Deck feels like it needs fable of the mirror breaker
@zacknair6202
@zacknair6202 10 ай бұрын
Lol, all the panting, bear wants to play.
@Eveelith
@Eveelith 10 ай бұрын
in the first game, you coulve blocked the creature land with atraxa to live with the lifelink
@mcintyre0591
@mcintyre0591 10 ай бұрын
I do not know what you are seeing. 1) Raffine had 1st strike so unblocked he would take damage before Atraxa gained any life. 2) the creature land drained for 2 so he was at 1 life. So even if that 1st strike didn't apply he would be dead as Atraxa had 8 power. 8+1 is 9
@Potalot89usmc
@Potalot89usmc 10 ай бұрын
I made a deck with Hitnata to reduce the mana cost lol. It worked ok ish but that was also off the back of Fable
@adamoneal5837
@adamoneal5837 10 ай бұрын
Maybe you could do something with role tokens to get the enchantments?? I guess the Careful Cultivation is kind of a necessary thing so cutting that would be hard but maybe you could use some instant or sorcery that makes the critters. But the ramp on the monks is helpful… hmmmmmm……
@Beowulfgang_Amadeus
@Beowulfgang_Amadeus 10 ай бұрын
Seth's green screen had me tripping out thinking my screen was messed up
@mrpinguimninja
@mrpinguimninja 10 ай бұрын
THEY'RE PROTECTING THEMSELVES AGAINST FIELD OF RUINS, SETH!!
@rodneymeyer4894
@rodneymeyer4894 25 күн бұрын
Portal to phyrexia recruitment officer from the opponent instead of your own Atraxa is crazy
@ther3aper561
@ther3aper561 10 ай бұрын
This deck definitely doesnt need the 1 of each basic. The tri lands are more than enough for binding and atraxa. And definitely needs sweepers
@rondoiron6907
@rondoiron6907 10 ай бұрын
Have a deck in modern that's similar. Mono red Ulamog. Make tokens that get sacked to transmogrify with Ulamog as the only creature. Awesome when it works
@eon2330
@eon2330 10 ай бұрын
Lol. Your lack of blocking with stimulus package civilians may be a problem
@computersocsci
@computersocsci 10 ай бұрын
I kept hearing Sbarro's Headquarters
@pacoestevez8780
@pacoestevez8780 10 ай бұрын
Match 3 game 1: you could have chumped with the citizens, maybe live 1 more turn
@Marksmaan
@Marksmaan 10 ай бұрын
Chaotic Transformation is a real deck I've been playing since it came out on and off. Losing Fable was too big a blow really. It was such a glue card that made creatures and tokens while fixing your draw. Stimulus Package replaced it but not enough imo. Invoke should be in sideboard. Gut the rest of it. Brotherhood End, Ossification (if you play that many basics you might as well), and stuff like that. Idk why they're running the mana base they are though lol. I'd rather pay 2 or 3 for Leyline more often than have a sketchy mana base. Oh, and Invadion of Ergamon (the 2 mana, rummage make a treasure token) should take Invoke's place in the main. Lowers the curve, fixes the draw, makes a treasure and is another hit for Atraxa.
@MCSEMan23
@MCSEMan23 10 ай бұрын
Hey Seth, could you possibly make a deck centered around Cowardice, Warped Devotion, and a few pingers?
@nickyoung7508
@nickyoung7508 10 ай бұрын
Series idea. Meme to Dream, Seth gets to redo meme decks to be better but cant use any rares.
@EdgeJob
@EdgeJob 10 ай бұрын
40:02: Oh god I thought my screen was broken for a second there.
@tietscho
@tietscho 10 ай бұрын
Im playing polymorph prison in edh. Always hitting a sire of insanity or void winnower
@KBM_38
@KBM_38 10 ай бұрын
for match 3 could you not have saced a treasure to the stim package to make instant speed blockers?
@honorableintent
@honorableintent 10 ай бұрын
35:24 Definitely the wrong call to pitch binding. You have 7 removal cards in your deck, 2 of which you've already seen. By comparison, you have 11 bombs, one of which you've seen, of which the only one you wouldn't be able to cast on the following turn was Portal to Phyrexia, which you would have only been one mana shy for. So your odds were double that you would draw a bomb versus removal. Plus, if you drew Portal and a land in the next three cards (by no means an impossibility), you were able to cast it. By this point, you've seen 13 cards in your 60 card deck, leading to a 10.6% chance of removal and a 21.2% chance of drawing a bomb. I get that in these card-based builds, you tend to tunnel the one card the build is based on (it can make for better KZfaq at times), but sometimes the best play is to make the safe move and pitch that card rather than risk everything on drawing something that you have very low odds of finding.
@honorableintent
@honorableintent 10 ай бұрын
For context, if you had drawn any of Invoke, another Chaotic Transformation, or Atraxa (which you did), you had enough mana to hard cast any one of them. Invoke would have cast the Chaotic Transformation from graveyard, Chaotic Transformation would have been a straight up replacement, and Atraxa just is bonkers and basically wins the game. Plus one treasure leftover means you have enough for a Leyline Binding if you find one in the next 10 cards (way more likely than 2).
@psychotropican666
@psychotropican666 10 ай бұрын
3:12 Seth acknowledges that he knows WHAT a transformational sideboard is, yet just obtusely pretends to not understand what this sideboard is for for the rest of the video...
@briancooper6796
@briancooper6796 10 ай бұрын
I thought we decided that adding/changing sideboard and lands on meme or dream is allowed!?
@mrpinguimninja
@mrpinguimninja 10 ай бұрын
Honestly it's the games like the one with 14 lands that have soured magic for me as of late
@user-mq7ys2zq4w
@user-mq7ys2zq4w 10 ай бұрын
Seth, why didn’t you created a 1/1 to stat alive on match 3 game 1?
@user-mq7ys2zq4w
@user-mq7ys2zq4w 10 ай бұрын
Stay*
@cybermarb6947
@cybermarb6947 10 ай бұрын
Spiteful Hexmage can spin into a creature and an enchantment
@shabushaburo
@shabushaburo 10 ай бұрын
Missed the opportunity to name this deck "Chaos Control"
@sp1nandroll
@sp1nandroll 10 ай бұрын
isnt couriers briefcase like the best card for this deck ?
@PhilippeSaner
@PhilippeSaner 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, it could ruin your artifact transformations. Can't count on hitting Portal with it in there.
@sp1nandroll
@sp1nandroll 10 ай бұрын
@@PhilippeSaner true and real, kinda forgot about that
@-homerow-
@-homerow- 10 ай бұрын
The book page on the right side of this battlefield juat says lorem ipsum... 🙄
@coldfusion230
@coldfusion230 10 ай бұрын
For a meme or dream deck you really cannot afford to play around stuff. It's not like you got a "the one ring" in there you can draw into to turn things around, you gotta take that leap of faith!
@akaqueequeg
@akaqueequeg 10 ай бұрын
A good deck to play with a companion and man lands. Then you can drop all the janky token generation.
@underfiremaf8307
@underfiremaf8307 10 ай бұрын
Any card the has 2 types will hit whatever type comes up first. So if you have a land creature it can hit a land
@AugustAMcClung
@AugustAMcClung 10 ай бұрын
I play a version of this but it is Gruul and plays Tyrranax Rex instead of Atraxa
@mattt3481
@mattt3481 10 ай бұрын
30:59 am i wrong, or couldn't you have sac'd the food there and lived on 1?
@ryanbolson23
@ryanbolson23 10 ай бұрын
Spite. Spite. Spite. There is no R. It’s spite.
@gregorlangemeier4116
@gregorlangemeier4116 10 ай бұрын
Part 2 with an improved manabase and sideboard when?
@ra2.0yeetedition17
@ra2.0yeetedition17 10 ай бұрын
I think gix’s saga would be a decent enchantment to flip into and off of
@Deer_God
@Deer_God 10 ай бұрын
So I really like Chaotic Transformation deck. BUT this deck has a much better version in the Invasion of Alara
@sanddagger36
@sanddagger36 10 ай бұрын
59:17 opponent, plays sheoldred yet can't handle it being played against them.
@Hatb0x
@Hatb0x 5 ай бұрын
I like cityscape leveler better as a hit for the deck
@evandwyer6623
@evandwyer6623 10 ай бұрын
Seth greenscreen issue at the opening was really stressing me out
@kylepowers1628
@kylepowers1628 10 ай бұрын
I have a two color version with etali
@rayzeckz4573
@rayzeckz4573 10 ай бұрын
Hi seth
@Vuurgeest
@Vuurgeest 10 ай бұрын
Do the deck creators in this series ever show up in the comments? Or people who claim to be them I guess, hard to be sure on the internet.
@4lc4p0rn
@4lc4p0rn 10 ай бұрын
12/15 or 2/15 happening as often as it does is the reason people insist there's fuckery going on with the shuffler, even beyond what wotc has admitted. especially since if one of them happens, and you get asked if you had fun and then say no, you're almost guaranteed to hit the other one in the next game.
@silverdawg8013
@silverdawg8013 10 ай бұрын
So standard creativity?
@Tater8q3f
@Tater8q3f 10 ай бұрын
I really hope Wizard's stops printing cards with this effect. The charm has really worn off at this point.
@kidoriam-1856
@kidoriam-1856 10 ай бұрын
Can't a meme be a dream ?
@deadded5793
@deadded5793 10 ай бұрын
Second?
@stephenrowan8128
@stephenrowan8128 10 ай бұрын
Nope, stop scooping early.
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