Is Crystal Palace F.C. the world's oldest professional football club?

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Crystal Palace FC

Crystal Palace FC

4 жыл бұрын

It has always been believed that Crystal Palace Football Club was formed in 1905. With the help of author Peter Manning, Palace TV's Chris Grierson searches for the truth. A truth that will re-write the club's history books and reveal that not only was cricketing legend WG Grace a key figure in the formation of the professional club, but a claim can also be made to be the oldest football club still playing professionally.

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@brad.h_cpfc8155
@brad.h_cpfc8155 4 жыл бұрын
Does this mean we technically are part of the English Game on Netflix?
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
The English game was long after the Crystal Palace Football Club was formed. And NOT a true account of FA Cup.
@djashez
@djashez 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ffs palace, I have a 1905 tattoo 🤦🏻‍♂️🤨😭
@sanktxando
@sanktxando 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
So become a cheski fan🤣they formed 1905🤢
@closethedoornow7538
@closethedoornow7538 4 жыл бұрын
U can get that corrected
@mikeknoth
@mikeknoth 4 жыл бұрын
soon to be a scar
@ScarKord
@ScarKord 4 жыл бұрын
Certainly some compelling arguments there! Great video too. Crystal Palace FC 1861
@elizabethp1289
@elizabethp1289 4 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable film, thanks to everyone involved in making this happen. Some fabulous museum exhibits with the tankard and the minutes book from the 1st FA meetings. Chris Grierson is a great presenter.
@RobBlakemore
@RobBlakemore 4 жыл бұрын
An entertaining and informative watch. There is no qualification or query in the language used within Crystal Palace's Professional Team Handbook (1906) when it directly references that this is the very same team to have been playing in the seasons from 1873-76. The same Palace team - from those earlier seasons - had then supplied international players for England. The writer of that article in 1906 couldn't have guessed how significant their words would become over a century later - as digitisation brings their words to life, KZfaq takes them a worldwide audience, and Crystal Palace fans clamour to get the attention of the Football Association!
@samrichardson4764
@samrichardson4764 4 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a load of cr*p, but got the opposite - an excellent piece of journalism.
@KenEdwardsz
@KenEdwardsz 4 жыл бұрын
I would say the fact that we were at the founding fathers meeting when the FA was formed says all you need to know. We are the oldest surviving football club!
@andydixon606
@andydixon606 4 жыл бұрын
Still 4 years off that even if you accept this claim.
@lisamaunsell9981
@lisamaunsell9981 4 жыл бұрын
Andy Dixon well we’re the oldest league club 😂
@andydixon606
@andydixon606 4 жыл бұрын
I'd still say it's not the same club but as a Sheffield FC fan I don't mind that much either way 😁⚽️
@closethedoornow7538
@closethedoornow7538 4 жыл бұрын
Andy Dixon Sheffield fc oldest club no doubt but palace deserve its recognition to be back dated
@joeskillzz3668
@joeskillzz3668 4 жыл бұрын
Crystal palace for life!!!
@ChrisWEJohnson
@ChrisWEJohnson 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent production Alan and Sean. I've been a supporter since the 1960s, although for some gruelling periods of hopping up and down between the first flight and the second, it made me feel as if I'd been supporting from the 1860s! It's really great to see Palace now established in the Premier League with a directorial board capable of cementing their status and expand the club's ambitions. Kudos to Steve Parish. As for oldest club? Munich 1860 of the Bundesliga might have a story to tell. Thanks again for the great video documentary - it made me feel glad all over!
@ykabash
@ykabash 4 жыл бұрын
Munich 1860's football team wasn't formed until 1899
@ChrisWEJohnson
@ChrisWEJohnson 4 жыл бұрын
@@ykabash Professionally, yes, 1899. However, much like the forefathers of Crystal Palace, the 'team' on an amateur basis was around from 1860. From Wikipedia: The roots of the TSV's founding as a physical fitness and gymnastics association go back to a meeting held 15 July 1848 in a local pub, Buttlesche Brauerei zum Bayerischen Löwen. It was a time of revolutionary ferment due to the 1848 Revolutions, and the club was banned in 1849 by the Bavarian monarchy for "republican activities". The club was formally reestablished on 17 May 1860 and after mergers with a number of other local associations in 1862 was known as Turnverein München. A football department was created on 6 March 1899 and played its first matches against other squads three years later. But then you can't always rely on Wikipedia!
@ykabash
@ykabash 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisWEJohnson but read it carefully, it says the football department itself wasn't formed until 1899 (doesn't say they were playing amateur football before that), so from 1860-1899 it was only competing in other sports and not football, so the football team can't claim those years. It would like Palace trying to claim 1857 which was the cricket club founding and not 1861 which was the football club founding, wouldn't work
@ChrisWEJohnson
@ChrisWEJohnson 4 жыл бұрын
Yaseen Kabash Agreed.
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
If football was invented in England, you cannot have a German oldest football club! Can you.?
@ThreeRunHomer
@ThreeRunHomer 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Excellent video. Highly professional production. 👍🏼
@godspeed133
@godspeed133 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Super Chrissie Grierson👏👏.....fast becoming a Palace legend 🔥🔥🔥
@iweagle
@iweagle 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent production. Well done to all involved.
@user-ix4nh4ww5n
@user-ix4nh4ww5n 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and at first glance quite convincing. And somehow it partially resembles the history of the Football Club Spartak Moscow. Now this football club has its history from the Moscow Sports Club (MKS) -1922. But it turned out that this club is legally the Russian Gymnastics Society Sokol (Falcon), officially founded in May 1883. And football appeared in the Russian Gymnastics Society in 1897. And The history of the Russian Gymnastics Society Sokol (RGO Sokol) was maliciously forgotten due to communist repressions during the Soviet Union in 1923-1954. That is, Football Club Spartak Moscow is essentially the oldest football club in Russia.
@NikolayPanteleev
@NikolayPanteleev 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, what a creepy logic. Zenit FC training center is based at Udelny park and connected historically with Kolomyagy sport society and Imperial sport fields there, including Gymnastics Society founded with the park at 1832. These claims are so crrrrap only CSKA bosses can approve =)
@user-ix4nh4ww5n
@user-ix4nh4ww5n 4 жыл бұрын
@@NikolayPanteleev Here the theme itself is on a different plane. FCSM leads its history MKS (Moscow Sports Club) -1922. But legally, the MKS = RGO Sokol, and already since 1920. And the liquidation of the Sokol movement in the USSR is 1923. And the liquidation of bourgeois clubs in Moscow - 1923 (in Leningrad - this is 1924) That is, the liquidation of the Russian Gymnastic Society Sokol in March 1922 was not. RGO Sokol and the MKS have the same athletes (not just football players), the same leadership. The same red and white colors. The same place of basing - the Krasnopresnensky district of Moscow. Even the emblem of Spartak was taken from the emblem of the Russian Gymnastic Society Sokol. And the license to perform in the Moscow Football League in March 1922 in Class B was awarded to the MKS from RGO Sokol, because in 1921 it played in Class B. (Class A - the strongest, B - the average and V - the newcomers to the League). The hockey team of the MKS 1922/1923 - in essence and in composition - is RGO Sokol. And both teams performed at the Patriarch's Ponds. RGO Falcon ice rink since 1903. Krasnaya Presnya played there until 1925 The founder of Spartak, Nikolai Starostin, also said in 1967 that Krasnaya Presnya arose in 1921 from the RGO Sokol . (After all, he was a participant in the technical events of the 20s)
@BenFleury
@BenFleury 3 жыл бұрын
Crystal Palace FC Formed 1861- 159 years old Pride of South London Eagles 🔴🔵
@Maxytaxi777
@Maxytaxi777 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Crystal Palace!!! These facts are very interesting 🤔 Loving the content. Hope to see Selhurst Park soon BYE!!
@tkb4026
@tkb4026 4 жыл бұрын
Are they facts? 🤔
@Maxytaxi777
@Maxytaxi777 4 жыл бұрын
TKB 👍
@rossphillips3891
@rossphillips3891 4 жыл бұрын
Some very good factual research done there. It would be interesting to see where those other clubs went that was also at that first meeting. It is true though, none of those other clubs at the meeting are still running today. Only Crystal Palace!
@HitchinTownFCOfficial
@HitchinTownFCOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and thanks for the mention. So maybe it was the Eagles we played after all. The original match in Hitchin back in 1871 finished 0-0, you can read the match report from The Sportsman newspaper here... twitter.com/HitchinTownFC/status/1104307409340850178 If the first match was goalless, fancy a rematch? 😃
@robfrench2006
@robfrench2006 4 жыл бұрын
I was at that Southampton game.. one to forget 😂
@duncancampbell9172
@duncancampbell9172 4 жыл бұрын
same
@keithrichardson186
@keithrichardson186 4 жыл бұрын
Scummers get battered 9-0 at home. P.U.P
@tomfitton4775
@tomfitton4775 4 жыл бұрын
So, when the FA updated their website that suggests that the two clubs are unconnected?
@martinwynn1009
@martinwynn1009 4 жыл бұрын
Where did we get all them trophies from ?
@neiltaylor5175
@neiltaylor5175 4 жыл бұрын
Probably with world's oldest manager and the world's smallest trophy cabinet
@richiestrich8079
@richiestrich8079 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Clark he must be a Brighton mug!
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
@RichiestRich they bha have copied us in trying to create a proper fan base and club, now it looks like even blue and white is a reject colour of ours🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😔🤣😔
@ChikomaSakala.
@ChikomaSakala. 4 жыл бұрын
One day I will play for this club..I BELIEVE🙏⚽😊. Wow oldest🌎.
@geostar1259
@geostar1259 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck and if you do I hope you become our top goal scorer in history
@ChikomaSakala.
@ChikomaSakala. 4 жыл бұрын
@@geostar1259 thanks for the respond I will become one of the best by GOD'S Grace..
@ryjawa
@ryjawa 4 жыл бұрын
Doubt it 😂
@ChikomaSakala.
@ChikomaSakala. 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryjawa I will prove you and a lot of people wrong.. because what is in me is bigger than everyone else that's Jesus christ
@ryjawa
@ryjawa 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChikomaSakala. Okay, you can screenshot this for future reference.. If I ever see your name on the books at Crystal Palace, I'll give you £5,000.. Theres some extra motivation for you lol.
@mrcharlieheavengame5132
@mrcharlieheavengame5132 4 жыл бұрын
Eagles!
@rirasabbgh
@rirasabbgh 7 ай бұрын
Can you explain this video in IOP CAM?
@leeandrewclarke
@leeandrewclarke 4 жыл бұрын
I would be convinced if that case was made for any other club so I will be saying that I support the world's first ever football club from now on!
@andydixon606
@andydixon606 4 жыл бұрын
Sheffield FC?
@engagecastle188
@engagecastle188 4 жыл бұрын
Andy Dixon it is absolutely undisputed they are the first ever team however they never played proffesional so we’re staking a claim that we are the oldest current professional football club ever
@andydixon606
@andydixon606 4 жыл бұрын
@@engagecastle188 yeah, I was just responding to the one comment, not the claim from Palace 👍⚽️
@ifrankee
@ifrankee 4 жыл бұрын
Irish Eagles 🇮🇪❤💙
@ifrankee
@ifrankee 4 жыл бұрын
@Wilfried Zaha 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪❤💙🦅
@funkymonkey65
@funkymonkey65 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Francis, are you part of the Irish Eagles Club, I am in Galway, would love to join
@ifrankee
@ifrankee 4 жыл бұрын
@@funkymonkey65 I'm not unfortunately, I'm just a very passionate fan from Cork. 👍🏻
@ifrankee
@ifrankee 4 жыл бұрын
@Wilfried Zaha 119?
@paulvallerine5241
@paulvallerine5241 3 жыл бұрын
@@ifrankee Nice cmonnnn u eaglesss
@Marvelshyne
@Marvelshyne Жыл бұрын
Such an old club but there kit is based on Aston Villa's lol.
@YAS_253
@YAS_253 Жыл бұрын
shefield fc : no u no what
@ns1755
@ns1755 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: You did not search for this video
@anonymousguy7632
@anonymousguy7632 4 жыл бұрын
I love this club
@Luke-ng2wz
@Luke-ng2wz 4 жыл бұрын
This is sick fair play
@gregmc2913
@gregmc2913 4 жыл бұрын
I like an opinion of a Lawyer and make it all legal and legitimate. But that costs money, or are FIFA going to turn around.
@CrystalPalace1861
@CrystalPalace1861 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful! 💖 🔴🔵 💖 By the way everything it's linkage... In Oporto (Portugal) there was a small replica from the original Crystal Palace and until now the garden where it was placed it's called "Palácio de Cristal" in portuguese. Since I was a child it's a magical place for me with lovely memories and since early age I wonder where the name came from... At the distance the bound was established and preserved until today. Glad All Over 😍
@sanktxando
@sanktxando 4 жыл бұрын
"Palacio de Cristal" just beautiful
@CrystalPalace1861
@CrystalPalace1861 4 жыл бұрын
@@sanktxando Welcome mate! 🔴🔵 😉
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
I've been there lol 5:05 Crystal palace park is a brilliant place and close by has a nice McDonald's 😉
@Maxytaxi777
@Maxytaxi777 4 жыл бұрын
TITUS 3V5 Lol nice
@Iglpes
@Iglpes 4 жыл бұрын
So many English people don't know about Notts County or Sheffield FC. A strange nation.
@Garner84
@Garner84 Жыл бұрын
Notts county 1862... Sheffield F.C. played Sheffield Football until 1877 not Association football.
@isaaccastro4846
@isaaccastro4846 4 жыл бұрын
Are you sure? I dont remember them in downtown xavi "the english game"
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
lalala like this the "English" game is only an incorrect account of a small factory team involved in the FA cup, for entertainment only. Do some real research and get your head out of Netflix 🙄
@nielsjunker1487
@nielsjunker1487 10 ай бұрын
Great history ❤️💙🦅
@hamlet9945
@hamlet9945 4 жыл бұрын
Side and side with the oldest Pl manager
@Marvel_super_fan497
@Marvel_super_fan497 3 жыл бұрын
Love palace been supporting whole life
@samoc235
@samoc235 4 жыл бұрын
Our examination was very thorough and has resulted in an 84-page document packed with primary/contemporary source materials. “This document shows that the Crystal Palace Football Club claim is slightly absurd and is ultimately reduced to a short note in 1906 in the CPFC club handbook and which appears never to have been mentioned again anywhere by CPFC since very recently. “It is possible to forget your own history but that really is a serious memory lapse.
@user-ho5hv6fd5h
@user-ho5hv6fd5h 4 жыл бұрын
True or False That depends on you
@MsDawnnee
@MsDawnnee 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure about oldest, but defo the best, and that will do for me! Lol
@RW-nr6bh
@RW-nr6bh 4 жыл бұрын
Quite an interesting video, but I'm not convinced that the current Crystal Palace FC is connected to the original one. Also the fact that fans in the vox pops had little idea who the oldest club is seems to have little significance. However, anything that derails Stoke City's laughable claims to be the oldest club in the League can't be a bad thing.
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
This club really has so much history
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
Crystal palace 1861
@samoc235
@samoc235 4 жыл бұрын
1905
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
@@samoc235 watch the video m8
@samoc235
@samoc235 4 жыл бұрын
I have and its false claims the document which investigated this claim came out and it is all false.. its free to download if you want to read it.. palace are NOT the oldest club
@samoc235
@samoc235 4 жыл бұрын
We reveal that the first CPFC side were affiliated to the FA between 1861 and 1875, at which point the club ceased to exist. “There is then no FA affiliated club with the FA for a 30 year period until a new and totally separate club forms in 1905," they concluded.
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
Great doc sorry for spamming the Comments
@delboytrotter8806
@delboytrotter8806 3 жыл бұрын
The Mighty !
@rd-vt1vx
@rd-vt1vx 3 жыл бұрын
Sheffield
@ringocomedynews5825
@ringocomedynews5825 4 жыл бұрын
This seems very fishy to me why has this just surfaced.
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
RingoComedyNews Well, it hasn't "just" surfaced. New access and better computer search engines make it possible to get more content than ever before. So just Google Crystal Palace 1861, and that information has been there for a lot of years, it only becomes a lie if you have no education or a Palace hater🤷‍♂️
@montybaby7181
@montybaby7181 4 жыл бұрын
Eagles ! Eagles!
@DarkEldar2304
@DarkEldar2304 9 ай бұрын
Jesus....look if you dont play for over 40 years you dont exist 😂
@ay613
@ay613 4 жыл бұрын
Hbd to the queen
@vrw1ll850
@vrw1ll850 3 жыл бұрын
Oldest football club lmao stoke city is formed 1863
@isaac_bruh
@isaac_bruh 2 жыл бұрын
me just like no?
@1979or1979
@1979or1979 4 жыл бұрын
Up the Palace.
@thorntonheath.croydon.3431
@thorntonheath.croydon.3431 3 жыл бұрын
Come on palace 💋😎👄.
@Peggals
@Peggals 4 жыл бұрын
SIGN MESSI!!!
@andyb1065
@andyb1065 7 ай бұрын
No
@tottenhamfan_113
@tottenhamfan_113 Жыл бұрын
Didn’t ask
@samuelfranks1387
@samuelfranks1387 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah no
@robbeadle9487
@robbeadle9487 4 жыл бұрын
Nottingham forest fc are the oldest football team
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
Rob Beadle looks like the education system let you down😔 BADLY 🤣
@adriantaylor5996
@adriantaylor5996 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomClarkSouthLondon Nottingham Forrest Was not one of the teams that Started up the FA Cup only Crystal Palace are the only well known Club .
@bazeyy6069
@bazeyy6069 4 жыл бұрын
Uta
@TheChappers
@TheChappers 4 жыл бұрын
This claim is a complete embarrassment and most football historians have rightly laughed it out of town. The video should have been released on April Fool’s Day.
@TheChappers
@TheChappers 3 жыл бұрын
Millie R I’m a historian of neither club and it’s still rubbish. The claim does not stack up.
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheChappers The “facts” are there for all to see, unless you are a blinkered fool.
@nicmonberg5974
@nicmonberg5974 4 жыл бұрын
Not oldest Pro club at all didn't become pro until 1905 so this is silly claim. If you was to claim a founding club of football then yes so you need to correct the terms used.
@graemeharker2180
@graemeharker2180 3 жыл бұрын
What a load of rubbish. CP trying to rewrite history.
@adriantaylor5996
@adriantaylor5996 3 жыл бұрын
New Evidence comes to light from time to time. What you are saying does not make sence.
@seehispugnosedface
@seehispugnosedface 4 жыл бұрын
April Fools is on 1st April lads....
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
seehispugnosedface oh! Dear a hater that cannot grasp the truth🤣
@nicolasbarozzi115
@nicolasbarozzi115 4 жыл бұрын
No, its not
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
nicolas barozzi YES IT IS🙄
@samuelfranks1387
@samuelfranks1387 4 жыл бұрын
You still weren't pro until 1905 so the claim is false and also you basically didn't exist for 40 years , a football club that had no members and didn't play football. And just because it was founded by the same people it doesn't mean it's the same team
@hipement
@hipement 4 жыл бұрын
If it was founded by the same people and owned by the same company of course it makes it the same team as you are representing "Crystal Palace Company" If they have only had One football team at one time representing themselves the claim can easily be made. The gap of no football being played isn't here or there but ultimately more proof is needed and hopefully it will be found .
@thesteeplespeoples
@thesteeplespeoples 4 жыл бұрын
haha blatantly a Brighton fan.
@rossphillips3891
@rossphillips3891 4 жыл бұрын
Did you even watch the video ?!
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
samuel wANKS are you really that stupid? Or just an annoying hater🙄
@tomscfc7613
@tomscfc7613 4 жыл бұрын
No
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
SCFC FOR LIFE YES🙄
@georgewillis2212
@georgewillis2212 4 жыл бұрын
No
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon 4 жыл бұрын
George Willis YES👍
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