Is Downhill Harder Than XC? Fastest Way To Burn 1000 Calories!

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Does one style of MTB riding burn more calories than another? Can different styles of mountain biking drastically affect your calorie burning? Rich Payne is out in Bike Park Wales to find out as he pits DH runs against a timed XC loop to find out which category of riding burns more calories!
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@alanrobertson3172 Жыл бұрын

I love a burger.

@chadson5244 Жыл бұрын

And cholesterol loves you.

@edplaysdrums8435 Жыл бұрын

Cardiovascular disease wants to give your insides a hug

@Kingston_H_MTB Жыл бұрын

Burgers are the best! -An American 🇺🇸

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

We do too! :)

@courtney2018 Жыл бұрын

It wouldve been nice for you to compare your pedals to heart rate based calories from a good watch (Polar/Garmin) and/or heart sensor strap.

@christianpeters6579 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, a chesty and watch would be much more accurate

@amandanorth6526 Жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely to be accurate for downhill as calculations based on elevation, speed and power through the pedals don't account for force generated (and work done!) through any of the movements at play during downhill riding: pumping, jumping, cornering, smashing through rock gardens etc. Heart rate doesn't get as high either because the work is largely done through anaerobic pathways - and I don't think sports sciencists have developed formula for anaerobic work based on the types of data available to cycling computer / sports watch designers. Anaerobic energy expenditure is best measured using blood lactate readings. Alas and alack.

@raheslop Жыл бұрын

Totally agree a DH is effectively a session of squats & press ups on a bike none of which are recorded by the garmin

@julianw5692 Жыл бұрын

Rich has been such a good addition to this channel/company. His videos have, for a while, been the best on the channel. They are genuinely interesting and fun to watch. I love the challenges and analytical style of video like this one.👌

@casestudymtb Жыл бұрын

Who's Rich? Ohhhhh Rich, I call him "fun Neil". 🤣

@charleshazen5779 Жыл бұрын

Homie forgetting about Blake like he isnt the pinnsacle of GMBN presenter.

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Hey Julian! It's so great to have Rich as a presenter on the channel! Who else would do all the epic rides?! 😅

@Mr037rally Жыл бұрын

Should have started the DH laps from the bottom of the hill where the main entrance is🤘.

@herbertlindner1120 Жыл бұрын

This test is only telling the half of the story! Your body is burning more calories, than your powermeter can measure. If you start an activity on the garmin it would have counted WAY more calories on the downhill session because your heartrate and effort are counting too! Despite of that, i like that video and have deep respect of your capabilities in endurance and downhill technique!

@budycelyn Жыл бұрын

i wonder if your gps/power meter considered all the push ups you were doing on the way down.

@samuelcourts4946 Жыл бұрын

I sincerely doubt it. Throwing a bike around down a proper DH track is exhausting. Comparing that to the average watts held for the XC ride. I'd say no competition DH would win hands down if you could measure actual calories burnt and not just the conversion equation from the watts applied to the pedals.

@ChrisCapoccia Жыл бұрын

Power meter wouldn't, but heart rate would. Pushups are hardly worth any calories

@uldi1s Жыл бұрын

Whilst I agree that XC is the best calorie burner, I have to say the test is not really capturing the calories burned in DH, as you're only measuring pedal force (and there is much less) If there was a way to measure the calories burnt with your upper body it would be better. But it's a moot point, XC is definitely the bigger calorie burner. Now, Enduro... 🤔

@934bigdawg Жыл бұрын

As a professional cook and new mountain biker, this was super interesting. Staying fueled for a ride is SO important. And who doesn't love a good burger🤤

@stevenreyes3680 Жыл бұрын

Well, that totally explains how I’ve lost virtually lost no weight on MY e-MTB. I am now using much lower settings and pedaling up the hill. Using the throttle was just too much fun. After a year and a half, 1800 miles, the novelty is wearing off. But at the very least, I’ve been active...but hey, I’m 70, and still going downhill fast. No that much physically... Oh the beer...

@JustOneWolf Жыл бұрын

What was the avg HR in DH (or did I miss it)? Maybe a calculation purely on HR would have been more accurate, since the wattage on the pedals in DH was probably rather small, but this plays a big factor in the calculation of these devices.

@cleoent Жыл бұрын

100% spot on. Avg hr 140 for Xc and 132 for downhill per video. To me it clearly shows that downhill can burn calories. The power pedals screwed up what would have otherwise been a cool vid.

@Antnerd Жыл бұрын

Right. Based on this test alone, the best World Cup DH riders would do better being excessively overweight to get more gravity on their side haha

@scriptosaurusrex Жыл бұрын

@@Antnerd good joke. Obviously they would then lack strength and mobility, plus the cardio that's still required. But it is interesting, I watched a video recently (pink bike I think?) where they were talking to DH pros and many of them were trying to make their bikes heavier, which was interesting and feeds into your joke!

@SamDeCuyper78 Жыл бұрын

Nice comparison, like this stuff! To get a good comparison you would need the pedal power, the power applied to the handlebars and the heartrate. Heart rate + powermeter in the pedals is the go between. May try that next time .

@AntonSinchukov63 Жыл бұрын

i guess, calculating callories in DH by pedals is definetly incorrect. Really they need use a heartrate monitor, may be even weigher))) termometr etc )))

@jamesvonvacheresse7888 Жыл бұрын

Noticed your true riding style showing/ ❤️ , kept the disco shoes with the downhill kit😎

@richardpayne5176 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 yeah was easier than changing cleats

@Pienimusta Жыл бұрын

Downhill hits whole body different way. Standing more and constantly shifting your body weight around.

@benjaminroutledge9507 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@MrUnl0rd Жыл бұрын

Also recovery and healing, that burns calories too.

@andrewince8824 Жыл бұрын

Then there's trying to ride the bike to the trails/back up. That alone burns the calories as well as the legs.

@WaechterDerNacht Жыл бұрын

I am sorry, the video was fun, but nothing more. Because of the way the measurement was done - on the pedal - there is a clear bias towardsvall the activity that uses the pedal actively. I would suggest, that you either have a different measurement method (dk, maybe it can be done via blood pressure or so) or add a strain gauge to the handle bars to also quantify the needed work there. I am pretty sure, that a DH WC track at a solid speed also needs alot of calories. You will never use as much as on a 2h xc ride, but i guess the gap would be much smaller than what was measured here.

Жыл бұрын

He did use a heartrate monitor and power meter pedals together. The Garmin ecosystem can combine inputs from several sources and calculate accordingly.

@WaechterDerNacht Жыл бұрын

@ Thanks for clarification. Didn't know that the Garmin does that...

@jamlarna Жыл бұрын

Sitting in bed thinking I need to order food or go to sleep!? Dam you Richard! That burger looks amazing 🫣

@elrictdb Жыл бұрын

I just think that there's a lot of calories burnt during DH that isn't being accounted for. Mostly a gut feeling.

@seansmith-fz6yg Жыл бұрын

Me and a mate went to BPW yesterday with just a pedal pass. After you’ve done the first climb it’s not so bad. But looking forward to just hitting the downhill next time for more fun and less calories for lunch! 😀

@nickgill2368 Жыл бұрын

Rich's challenges and vlogs make the best videos! Big up all of gmbn for the hard work!!!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! We really appreciate the support! 👊

@Grynes2487 Жыл бұрын

My bet would be on XC for sure. Now on to the video 👍

@berniewiemers728 Жыл бұрын

Wow, your descending distance would be almost the equivalent of Mt Everest!

@workingguy6666 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video

@kyled121 Жыл бұрын

Does the calorie counter take its data from the power meter in the pedals, if so any upper body work is not being counted!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Hey Kyle! Rich was wearing a heart rate sensor as well. 👍

@mrvwbug4423 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how much quicker you'd have hit 1000cal burned by pedaling the Mega on the XC loop instead of the featherweight XC bike? 5000cal would be crazy, I remember when GCN did 10,000cal and it took them something like 20 hours of road riding. I would expect something like 8-10 hours of XC riding to burn 5000 on a MTB. The 80km of downhill is kinda interesting since for me that's about what I do during a full day at the bike park

@darius2640 Жыл бұрын

depends. do you have to push your dh bike up the hill for every run or do you have a chair lift?

@chadson5244 Жыл бұрын

You should do the same test track with and xc bike and with a enduro bike and see the difference.

@anitalandkroon Жыл бұрын

Great video 😃😃 now i know i have to go down the mountain even longer 🤪🤪🤪

@StuartPlumbley Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see how quick those 1000 calories add up on an enduro style run.

@raheslop Жыл бұрын

I’d be interesting to hear from the nutritionist in one of the big DH World Cup teams as to how many calories they feed the riders on a race weekend.

@philmyerscough1 Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see the difference doing the same xc course on but on a downhill bike!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

That would be very very hard, but also quite fun to watch! 😂

@philmyerscough1 Жыл бұрын

@@gmbn Rich is a machine and loves a challenge! Bring on the "Payne"!

@davegravitt210 Жыл бұрын

hah! Just enough to burn off my daily breakfast! A Burger King crosandwich . 1002 calories. 😂

@Sleeman243 Жыл бұрын

Measuring pedaling power seems like an inaccurate way to conduct this test. DH uses far more upper body and core strength, but it doesn't appear that was accounted for in any way?

@shilohholtzman7988 Жыл бұрын

Me too

@ze_pilot Жыл бұрын

What if you don’t have an uplift and you’re riding your dh/enduro? How long then?

@parenthlete Жыл бұрын

agreed HR seemed a good and easier way to do this comparison than power

@billmccaffrey1977 Жыл бұрын

You can burn 1000 calories in a few hours, but 5000 will be a long hard ride. Brings the likes on. I have to question just how accurate your bike computer can be measuring the cals burned on the downhill run. It's a more complex algorithm I would think.

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

We already achieved 1800

@andrewince8824 Жыл бұрын

I reckon an enduro ride of about 80-100km. Or just one run at Windhill followed by trying to make the climb back up on a Kona Stinky.

@jimbo4203 Жыл бұрын

How many xc races have been won , without a chain ?

@nc_mtbmedic1399 Жыл бұрын

So what I see is Enduro or trail is the way to go..best of both worlds

@unclebenz86 Жыл бұрын

Why not go with a polar heartrate Monitor that tracks what you are burning exactly?

@PM_13 Жыл бұрын

Hey Rich, as always love your content working so well for GMBN. So I’d love to see XC V Enduro for that 5000 calorie challenge I bet you did that easily in the EWS whistler event. #epicpresenter #enduro #greatrider

@manuelpelacci14 10 ай бұрын

If the kcal count on the DH were based on pedals-generated power only, then it would call for a redo

@NathanEide Жыл бұрын

You really need to get HR/HRV in addition to power meter. You just can't track full-body power output with pedals on a DH run.

@RichJ-nr1ho Жыл бұрын

Well there is a mental aspect to this as well. XC is just pedaling, pedaling, pedaling. It's all about fitness and endurance. Downhill...what I've noticed about the steeper stuff, as in more than a 10% descent, is that you really need quick reflexes and reaction times. Like really quick, like Matrix Neo quick. As in you have to be intuitive and anticipate the lines and flow several seconds ahead of where you want to go, even if those are around the next turn and you can't even see them! You have to instantly plan on what to do after glancing at the terrain ahead. Because that terrain is going to flash by a couple of seconds later. In some ways you don't even have time to think about what the plan is, you just do it instinctively. Either you are born to ride downhill or you are not. Personally I'm not a great downhill rider, but I've gotten a taste of how it really can be and wow, you really have to mentally be in the zone to survive it. Steep downhill is infinitely harder to do than pedaling on relatively flat terrain. XC...hey that's great that they are in very good shape, I wish I was in that good of shape, but downhill requires real talent.

@eli.falconbridge Жыл бұрын

You made me hungry❤

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Sorry! 😅

@baconfister Жыл бұрын

It’s no wonder all the endurbros are carrying a spare tire/bun-in-the-oven, whereas us XC dudes need more sammiches and pulled pork to stay alive.

@jannikorth5750 Жыл бұрын

I already know the answer: Riding XC with a downhill bike

@tonyskirrow1634 Жыл бұрын

Great vid,and fab riding from Rich, but very poor science. How about performing a lab test on the accuracy of calorie counting computers?

@kentbell6731 Жыл бұрын

Should have used a Hart Rate Monitor too. I know when I ride my enduro bike, I get close to the same calories burnt, ascending and descending.

@richardpayne5176 Жыл бұрын

A hr strap was used

@FilipMatacin Жыл бұрын

Lets goo 5000!!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

5,000 likes and we'll do it! 😉

@bad0beef Жыл бұрын

Just pedal up you downhills like Enduro and you get both more fun and cardio. You could use a heart rate chest strap to measure calories instead of a pedal power meter. I think your results would change.

@HansWurst-jc6qs Жыл бұрын

Do the 5k! In Rich we believe :D

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

5,000 likes for the 5,000 calorie challenge! 😉

@lisapet160 Жыл бұрын

Very illustrative video! Will share with those who believe that HR calories estimates are not good enough for "such big workouts" they had... 120 cals worth :). BTW, that burger has more than 1000 calories. The best dieting strategy is even more thousands years old: first burn calories, then replenish them. Going to a party? Skip the day and even morning meals. And please don't refer to pro cyclists carb loading, they are pro, hence chaperoning by specialists. When they think that they are not being fed enough and "rebel", the nutritionist (baby sitters) tell "It's a rest day and we know how many calories you had spent".

@adrian_veidt Жыл бұрын

This is why I don't go full roadie.

@supertramp6510 Жыл бұрын

Never go full roadie 😂

@MrStevegregory Жыл бұрын

Surely the power meter pedals aren't measuring any of your energy usage going downhill, only when pedalling? Surely a heart rate monitor would be a better metric?

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

He uses a hr sensor

@MrStevegregory Жыл бұрын

@@simonm1447 he said he was using the pedals for counting calories in the video.

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

@@MrStevegregory the Garmin System don't work alone with pedals in my knowledge, it includes a hr sensor too. He probably used the combination, even if he didn't mention the other sensor

@jtrider3779 Жыл бұрын

I have a serious question… why does everyone on an XC ride, whether casual or intense, feel the need to wear tights??? I ride every ride on my trail bike in cargo shorts and a t-shirt lol

@barrycorney3665 Жыл бұрын

Because it's more aero? GCN do a lot on this topic obviously and even going uphill the reduced area through the air can have an impact on performance. For all the DH lot they just stand on their pedals going down and walk/minibus/chairlift/gondola back up.... also if racing in XC (or CX) its easier to jump off, shoulder a bike and jump on if needs be with lycra shorts rather than "hanging off the arse fashion baggies" that will foul you and catch on the back of the seat....

@jtrider3779 Жыл бұрын

@@barrycorney3665 I get that for racing, but to me it seems super pretentious when I see them in their getup on a blue 3.2 mile loop trail out for a casual ride. Coincidentally, they’re the ones who never say hi, or wave while crossing paths.

@SuperPate79 Жыл бұрын

1000kcal will take 1hour in Zwift to the sky -course to me. 🤭 avg. heart rate is 170-175. My max is 200.

@sjaan7370 Жыл бұрын

Was disappointed that this was a lift accessed comparison as most riders have to ride or even push their bike up the mountain 😉Now if it was an e-mtb comparison that would be interesting because throwing a 50+lb down a mountain can be a lot of work.

@KmanRuffian Жыл бұрын

GMBN discovers physics...

@Mububban23 Жыл бұрын

800m in 30km is a solid amount of climbing!!!

@thebeardeddove Жыл бұрын

Anyone with a tiny bit of understanding of how burning calories works, would know that XC will burn more calories than downhill. What will you compare next? "What's faster? Riding uphill or downhill?" 🙈😂

@IDrNik Жыл бұрын

True, and yet looking at the comments there are plenty of bike park enthusiasts who don't want to believe it.

@vagg6078 Жыл бұрын

I think xc is better to burn calories

@chome141 Жыл бұрын

Do XC on a DH bike :D

@tomstephens8631 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to my Sundays 😂

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion! We'll break the bad news to Rich! 😂

@badlarry172 Жыл бұрын

was anyone surprised at those results? 👍

@zon3ful Жыл бұрын

This explains why most mtbs are more on the chubby side

@TheGarnh8r Жыл бұрын

You should only use a heart rate monitor and not watt measuring to compare

@uswwt Жыл бұрын

I used to feel really that that those apps easily count a thousand or two calories each time I biked. The reality is that I arse is still as far as ever. Those calories counters are just for entertainment purposes.

@salsa29erlove Жыл бұрын

I love xc cuz more I feel like it gives me more to feel proud of at the end of the day

@bigboibeluga5033 Жыл бұрын

We’re gonna get those likes

@kevinxodemonth Жыл бұрын

For the fellas going on about how inaccurate this comparison is, Rich actually mentions the average heart rate over the entire ride (it’s shown on screen as well). Are you all just skipping that part and going straight to his closing remarks? 😂

@Alioune818 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@RpattoYT Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think the Garmin is gonna give you an accurate read on burnt calories. You probably need something like those chest strap heart rate monitor things.

@lukakerin1896 Жыл бұрын

The fastest way to burn calories would be riding XC trails with a DH bike

@theprofitmohamhead1268 Жыл бұрын

COOL! THE MORE CALORIES IN MY MEALS MEANS I HAVE TO HAVE EVEN MORE FUN TO BURN THEM OFF? I HOPE I CAN CONVINCE MY WIFE OF THIS!🤣🤭

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

This has got to be the best life hack ever! Go for it! 😂

@hannes6114 Жыл бұрын

And as always - your way of testing isn't that good! But it's okay :) Good riding footage

@ericmountainbiker Жыл бұрын

Enduro riding will blow them both to bits. I rode 19 mile with 3200 feet of climbing today. That will eat up calories like crazy.

@stevenagel6096 Жыл бұрын

Think a downhill with a ride up might be better comparison.

@RpattoYT Жыл бұрын

There's no way you're getting an accurate read with the pedal as the main metric.

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

Roadie - how much calories has this salad, and do you have isotonic drinks? Mountainbiker: give me another Burger and a coke

@andrewince8824 Жыл бұрын

And as far as sports nutrition goes, the MTB diet is largely better as coke helps replace sugars, salts and water lost while sweating while the burger provides complex carbs for long term energy, proteins, sugars, salts and numerous other elements depending on the garnish. It's often forgotten that "unhealthy" foods are only so if eaten exclusively and with little exercise.

@Yoda-em5mt Жыл бұрын

I have almost lived on burgers and cokes ha ha surprized Rich your cal consumption seams really low i count everything cals km time hr you name it going hard i use 1000kcal an hour av hr 145 bpm max probly about 170 but av spd close to 20 kph when i,m out doing trail work ie raking machettie ing i use 500kcal an hour , if you did it on a pedally dh track it would be way closer . Fun vid mate 👍🤘😁

@AntonSinchukov63 Жыл бұрын

i guess, calculate callories by pedaling and using powermetr in pedals in downhill is incorrect

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

It uses an additional heart rate monitor, not just the power meter pedals

@jack_mcrae Жыл бұрын

you made it

@redlancer7263 Жыл бұрын

I think it's going to be XC

@FatboyAussie Жыл бұрын

Do an XC race on your DH. That’s a workout.

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

Or a Dh race on a hardtail XC bike - that's an adventure ;-)

@ssjj9584 Жыл бұрын

Steeper chunky decents burn more calories. Lots of upper body and legs burn ing with compressions. Smooth moderate steepness, not so much

@kiltymacbagpipe Жыл бұрын

If you want to burn calories bring a heavy xc bike. Work harder and burn more.

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Very true! Or you could ride a downhill bike uphill! 😂

@projekt95 Жыл бұрын

In that comparision, proper Enduro would easily win. I do roughly 1000kcal in 1:30 hours when I'm turboing on my Enduro on my local trails.

@viktorb. Жыл бұрын

AVHR 140BPM for XC is so low. Be like recovery training.

@frankthiele6539 Жыл бұрын

this is how to do science like you want it to do. most stupid test ever. but fits the gmbn content.

@chrismade123 Жыл бұрын

how does it measure the burned cal? asking the guy who sells the burgers is a good way to get knowledge

@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын

According to other comments a heart rate sensor and power meter pedals, the Garmin is calculating calories with this data

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

👆👆

@mikerotch1315 Жыл бұрын

I love the riding......... but I don't care how many calories are burned....

@connerjudd7977 Жыл бұрын

Yeah but how fast can you burn calories riding a dh bike on xc trail?

@richardpayne5176 Жыл бұрын

Hold my beer/burger 😅

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

That would make an entertaining video! 😉😅

@nunofernandes4440 Жыл бұрын

Let’s peeps !,

@thunderbird3694 Жыл бұрын

So 2hrs XC = 13hrs DH

@LukaJCB Жыл бұрын

You better bet you can ride a downhill trail and have heart rate spikes of 170BPM without ever pedaling, there's no way you're not burning a ton of calories through that.

@raff5604 Жыл бұрын

Liked the video... Anyone else fed up with the Gambling ads??? Does anyone know how to not get the Gambling ads? I find them incredibly dishonest and of no use to anyone. Shame on GMBN for allowing them.

@supertramp6510 Жыл бұрын

Who’d of thunk it eh!

@MB-jz3uu Жыл бұрын

Definitely not the best science. Those pedals don't track your heart rate or the effort needed to keep a bike stable downhill. They just track power, cadence and distance.

@tdaubner Жыл бұрын

@josephpo1274 Жыл бұрын

I think for me xc would be a better way of burning calories than downhill cuz mostly on downhill your mostly just descending with the help of gravity. But with xc your doing both pedalling and descending so your exerting more effort on xc :D