I've been using cakewalk since it's sonar 6 days, and it's allowed me to record real-time FX for a while now. I have an audient id4, connected directly to either my laptop or desktop. In cakewalk I setup and aux input channel that outputs to a normal audio track armed for recording. On the aux track I can put literally any plugin I want, then I hit record on the output track. I mostly work in the box, but for vocals I get killer recordings this way. My chain on the aux input is a fabfilter gate to an arturia 1973 and then a cl1b compressor. I've had clients ask me how I get the sound I do, and they never believe it's with my simple setup, but it's true! We live in amazing times.

I always have an LA2A or LA500 for tracking. This is important for singers since they really sing differently with a nice opto compressor. If needed I have an old PCM 80 for tracking also . I am comfortable using totalmix on the UFX+ . I wouldn't want to track with any UAD plugin and I don't use autotune. DSP is not for me. I can do without. Get a nice mic, use eq if really needed, make the singer comfortable with a comp if necessary and make sure you get a good headphone mix. I use a SPL MTC with a separate Mix and musician output with a seperate headphone balance that gives you instant control on mic positioning and outboard. It's more important to get the idea down immediately , no messin about with freezing or whatever. And I would rather no software touched my recording whilst tracking. Get a good HW tracking rig . A simili pultec / a decent opto / a good pre and a decent vocal mic. All those great recordings back in the days didn't require more than a proper mic placement and very little outboard.

Outboard mixer = no latency. You can use it for any daw, not just Avid for Pro Tools, Apogee for Logic, UAD for Luna etc.

I just use an old school 16 channel mixing console with AUX sends and a few FX's for tracking and monitoring, No Latency. I Send the dry signal of the mic's and/or lines to my interface VIA the "INSERTS" on the board. The only thing that affects the signal from the board to the interface VIA the "Inserts" is the "gain" of the pre-amps on the board. (No EQ No FX's) I have 4 sub mixes on this board, giving me all kinds of options for monitoring (Headphone mixes for instance). I can also send these subs to my interface with FX's and EQ if I want. I can also send the main "stereo mix" of the board to my interface if I want, while maintaining the original dry signal of the individual channels (other than the GAIN of the pre-amps) VIA the "INSERTS" of the board to my interface. So in reality I am using my interface as an ADC and my DAW is the multitrack "Digital Tape Machine". I never hear my interface while tracking so I can set my buffer as high as I want. NO LATENCY IN MY MONITORS. My monitors are "the sources" of the inputs. So if you want to invest in hardware such as interfaces, don't look for DSP,s Look for how many IO,s are available.

I track artist all the time. I have a Discrete 8 SC and the dsp is a must. All artist need to be able to hear themselves and what they hear must sound good. DSP really helps with that. With that said, if I wasn’t tracking, I wouldn’t need it. This is probably why I’m hesitant to buying a PT HDX rig.

I have a presonus quantum 2626 with an apple silicon MacBook and track everything through native plugins. It has 1ms latency and can handle 90 tracks at 32 samples on freaking battery power. It’s amazing.

Home studio with HDX. Never touch my buffer size and never worried about tuning out of horse power when tracking or mixing. I also have 12 UAD Sharc chips, so I’m definitely pro DSP 😁.

I am a long time Pro Tools user and a multi instrumentalist / producer. I rough mix as I develop my compositions so I can get a better idea what the end product will sound like. So I am using plug-in effects on aux channels, Superior Drummer, virtual instruments as well as microphones for saxophone and vocals. To help reduce CPU draw during the song creation process, I copy my virtual instrument tracks to audio tracks, then disable the virtual tracks to get back some CPU. I do this after I have certain instruments say bass, piano, strings etc... pretty much the way I want them.. I can always go back and enable the instrument tracks for editing. With my PC setup I have to toggle back and forth between buffer sizes to reduce latency while recording. It can be a pain, but it is a part of my work flow. Even though I have produced one smooth jazz album, several singles and with the number of clientele I have, I cannot justify the cost of switching to DSP. I do see myself upgrading or building a new computer with a faster processor maybe next year. I get alot of out of your videos. You are very accurate with your facts bro. I know that you know what you are talking about. Keep up the great work.

Great information here. I currently use the antelope orion 32 hd. It’s like having a rack of plugins to track through on the way in. I have a plethora of decent hardware eq and compression. I have 32gb of Ram, 3.2ghz with turbo boost 2015 mac and HD native system. Only thing I have to freeze is virtual instruments, but I can load pretty much any plugin and get huge track counts and keep a 64 buffer with no issues. If I have tonnes of delay and reverb I sometimes have to bump up to 128 buffer.

I'm primary a Record Producer but wears many hats as the Engineer, Arranger, Mixer, Programmer, Musician. I use the MOTU 828ES AVB interfaces in setup that has DSP although I don't use the DSP features but does have a slight advantage when it comes to monitoring and latency performance. I use it mainly as my AD/DA studio converter for my Hybrid mixing rig along with hardware synths and Music Production. When I'm composing a track in Studio One with virtual instruments and hardware sound modules, I'm often bounce down and record my midi tracks to Audio to free up CPU usage on the fly while still keep the raw midi clips that I programmed in the session muted incase I want to change the sound at a later time. I have been doing that for the past 13 years when I was on Cakewalk Sonar. Many songs I have produced some times comes close to over 100 track counts that includes stacks vocals and the instrumentation. I work with mostly singers esp R&B singers that can easily take up 16 to 20 stacks of vocals in one 3 or 4 part harmony stack which is the norm.

Very well said. I Had to upgrade my Memory on iMAC even though I using UA Apollo X Interfaces, Yes you right about the GUI have to switch back & forth ( plus the initial SETUP for routing was confusing at first...Learning Curve). I do like to TRK. w/ VST instrument plus HIGH CPU heavy Plug-Ins like Time Based Effect. these GEAR were not cheap but was able to move on with Projects. True there's times I have to FREEZE Tracks, & sometimes it take like 2-3 min. if FREEZING all with 100+ track but ok when around 50-75 TRKS. ( just depends) When Universal came out w/ LUNA, I didn't want to learn a NEW DAW all over again. I'm sure there's lot of people who expeirence same situation and I'm so glad you covered this TOPIC. Thank You, George Amodei

well, this comment is way past time since this video is almost a year old, but I thought it's worth to mention that on Steinberg DAW (Cubase or Nuendo) you also get full control of the DSP on the AXR4 Steinberg interface (which, as I've heard, it's really good ) without the need to use a different GUI, all inside the DAW. Cheers!

Barry, My Man!! Keep the videos coming..

I'm a guitar player that programs drums and synth/keys with Vst's. I built a ryzen based pc a few years ago. Ryzen 2600 with 16gb of ram at 3200 mhz. M.2 drive for os and a ssd for more storage.. I use an ssl USB c interface with a low buffer and can track using amp sims. With multiple instances of kontact and ezdrummer running. The only bottle neck I've found is when mixing. So I'll up the buffer and dropout protection in my daw. No really issues for demo production. When the project is ready for actual mixing at an actual studio I'll print the stems guitar dis and vst prints. And they can reamp if needed. The workflow works for me but may not be suitable for others.

Great information about the DSP.

I have dsp in both Motu's, the leveler/ AGC are great to protect inputs from clipping, for processing outgoing music, the British type compressor and the parametric EQ are great. These are used when I make radio shows recordings. For music, jingles, voice. I can use them on all 24channels per unit and have two of them. and zero latency. Very pleasing when you are tracking vocals. Btw, I use a lot plugins, and are not on this machine, they are on 2 separate computers, both Audiogridder servers, and I unload the plugins to that location, and when I need them, they are loaded in my project, over my 2,5Gbps intranet. Waves does it also with Audiogrid. But only for their products of course. So CPU load here is minimal.

I like what Barry said about working studios investing in a DSP based system. They have the budget and the clientele that justifies the extra power. It also depends on what you are doing. Using a lot of instrument plugins and no live instruments may not need it. I use a 12 core mac with Apogee converters and even when I have a lot of plug ins (instrument and effects) running I don't see any need for more processing power on 24 tracks. But if I do the same thing and add live tracks and buss in external processing, then perhaps a DSP system would come in handy.

I have an older UAD PCIe accelerator card in my Windows based machine. I got that just for the plugins. I'm running Pro Tools 11 native. I use virtual instruments and samplers often but don't mind freezing tracks when needed. I have a 5 year old computer running Windows 8.1 with a Focusrite 18i20 interface. However, I don't usually have enough virtual instruments running on that machine to ever have the need to freeze tracks. I have come up with a work-around that works very well for me. I have an older Windows XP computer that has most of my virtual instruments on it. I also have terrabytes of sample libraries on that machine. I use it strictly as a MIDI sound module. I have an old MOTU MIDI Express MIDI patchbay that I run a MIDI cable from my controller keyboard to and it splits the MIDI signal so I can send one data stream to the XP machine with a sampler or soft-synth running on it and the other data stream to the Windows 8.1 machine running Pro Tools 11. The MIDI data is recorded onto the PT11 machine while simultaneously "playing" the sounds from the other computer while tracking. For MIDI playback of the recorded data the MOTU has the capability to internally patch the MIDI output from the 18i20 to the XP machine's MIDI input. It took some serious tweaking to get it working initially but it works effortless once I got it all configured. I couldn't do this without the MOTU. I use the PT11 machine primarily for audio recording only. The only exception to that is when I run Superior Drummer. It always runs in PT11. The UAD card is for plugins only when mixing. I have external mic preamps. A Focusrite ISA428 and an API A2D. I seldom use the mic pre's in the 18i20 but they actually sound quite good if not driven too hard. I have a bit of a strange monitoring setup. I have an old Mackie mixer just before my studio monitors. All playback goes through it but it never sees any input to the DAW. The ISA428 has a built-in converter I can patch other analog devices into. When tracking with mics I run the mic pre's from the ISA into the 18i20 via ADAT Lightpipe connections. I take the analog audio outputs of the mic pre's and bring them up on channels in the Mackie for latency free monitoring while tracking. I just mute the track in Pro Tools while recording. For effects while tracking I have a Lexicon PCM70 I can patch into an Aux. on the Mackie. When mixing I patch it back into the 18i20 and use it as an external hardware device in Pro Tools. I know this may sound pretty complicated but it's not really. I just had to work out the signal flow on everything and get everything configured. So, DSP is not that important to me. Using the XP computer as my MIDI sound sources makes me have the baddest synthesizer/sampler you could ever want.

Got an avid carbon for $2500. In love 🥰❤🎉

Cubase 11, 10, 9 do it too with their Yamaha/Steinberg interfaces.

This is why I bought a Tascam Model 12. I cannot deal with the virtual workflow, latency, and tricks while also trying to track instruments, especially if I'm trying to jam/improvise a little bit in the process. I can go completely without a computer during most tracking. Then bring it over to the daw and add software tracks, then switch back. Now this can be a bit of a timely process, but it is an interruption that is easily planned around.

Fo me, using a Digital Mixer like the, as you said, "low-end" Presonus Studio32 III series, you get the best of all worlds. Built in DSP for zero latency tracking plus flying fader control surface, tight DAW integration, and all for less than the price of a UAD which to me seems like a glorified plugin dongle with preamps. I find using a 500 series lunchbox with great preamps, a Digital Mixer, and my SSL UC1 for mixing a very deadly combo for home studio composition. Oh... Thank you, you are my new favorite Studio Talk channel.

Tracking through the Presonus studiolive dsp loaded mixers changed it all from decades of UAD Apollo’s. And now only use the UAD for pure dsp usage

I have a wired keyboard, two monitors a wireless mouse hooked up to an m1 Mac mini with thunderbolt 3 hard drive and uad Apollo . The dsp certainly helps

I built a fast Windows PC but latency without my Apollo is a problem. I am a UA Apollo x6 user and I have two UA accelerators. In the last year I have been buying hardware because the copies are so good. I just prefer the sound. The DSP usage is the UA Reverbs and delays. I've tried non UA ones but I keep going back to the UA stuff.

More dsp please I can't have enough

I use a digital live mixer with a audio interface built in, live mixers are much more stable and allow you to monitor in any way you need or want. Digital Live mixers cost a fraction of a big branded audiointerface and have a lot of preamps onboard without the necessity of having multiple screens in front of you.... Maybe not super high end on the mixdown point of view; but with reference tracks and good studio monitors the "workaround" is really not a problem. To give an example: I think for most bandmembers wanting to record their band completely live, the Behringer XR 18 is a killer device with 18 analogue inputs and has a very solid USB audio interface and wireless control for iOS and Android on individual headphone mixes.

I've got a i9 12900k, a very powerful CPU, I still have a Powercore X8 connected, it's not just about power, the plugins still sound special, I also noticed the headroom is higher than native plugins, I've never heard a reverb better than the Powercore too, The mastering suite is ridiculously good, DSP is not needed today but some of the plugins from some DSP's just sound better than native plugins

I think all has todo with the work flow and exactly like you said some people do need it ( love universal audio for example ), I dont have a huge studio and what I I do is simple or I like to think is simple because I work on the box and my computer is powerful for what I do , for many years I did work analog gear I don't any more , and I need DSP for my work flow it takes work load from my computer everything runs better , if u use Plugins with over sampling for example that takes a lot CPU , it all depends what you do

Musically seen it should be possible to get great results without external DSP solution even only with a DAW, it’s Stock Plugins and maybe some free ones. Quality wise some of the DSP solutions are still top notch. Technically seen it does make sense to have dedicated hardware for audio. This doesn’t only apply to DSPs, but also to even more specialized FPGAs, that gained popularity in the last years, as far as i think.

I don't even Work professionally on music as back in the early 2000, And I am in need of a DSP now !!! but It's not an easy task to find an all arounder !!!

I'm more of an old school purist, the right instrument/player, then the right mic and capture it correctly. Not into a lot of bandaids in the capturing process, so I hardly use DSP on the front side, however, on the mix side use DSP heavily. I don't like what weighing down the RAM does in a very large scale mix, 40+ tracks, plugins, etc.

YESSS !!!!!!!

Hi Barry. Please could you do a 32 buffer tracking test with your MacBook m1 pro, using your carbon but bypassing the DSP latency feature of the carbon. And let us know the audible latency please?

First off, I love your insight and videos. But...and certainly this is imo...lol...need is simply the wrong word. We NEED none of it. In high dollar places making good money...outboard works fine...or for those that have or can afford it. Most studios seem to be in bedrooms today and DSP is the main choice...a lot of music today seems to be through a 'preset'. We have been assimilated. Resistance is futile....lol! To me, it is ALL just tools. What you can afford, what you have time for, what you know how to use. I listen to a lot of good music recorded very simply, nowadays, mostly by friends, on youtube.

I have DSP in my old MOTU and I sometimes use it for improvisation but barely goes beyond that; I know I can get native effects inside my daw with an acceptable latency (I think 5-7 RTL) so in truth I don't think about it much. I know 15 years or so about I would have a live set at 256 samples at least and would use the DSP for voice and it was a nice solution.

Your videos look amazing. your lighting is top notch fr fr. I use UA Apollo and the DSP is clutch. It just frees up my CPU for other processes. I would always want DSP in my workflow. Even if I had a maxed out Mac Pro. I feel like you can never have too much processing power.

What’s your thoughts on the converters of the Duet 3? Just bought one and I’m having second thoughts vs the Apollo.

I track with my radar,and api console,then if needed i edit in protools

I think the point of using an outboard mixer/console always leads to zero latency can not be stressed enough, but you really need both a meaty PC and a desk with hardware to record more than just yourself over two or three channels.

I have to say no dsp is not needed for more smaller scale projects. But lately I really have needed that dsp from my apollos. I use a hybrid of analog and digital and a high powered computer but have seen that using a plugin that has high cpu or latency really big down my workflow when recording. That's when I bust out the apollo with its auto tune in real time etc.

For myself, it’s very helpful. I enjoy using plugins on the way in.

One of the comments you made was about the $4,000 options. In that price range there really are multiple options. The issue is the next level up, a basic ProTools with MTRX Studio option is a much bigger jump up to the $11,000 price. There is a huge gap in the $4,000 - to $11,000 area that really doesn't have great DSP options. Personally I would get a Carbon in a moment if it could do at least 5.1 monitoring. Right now I am just waiting....more like indecisive...as to where to go.

Hello Barry. can you help me? My HDX card frequently loses sound when creating AUX or inserting a DSP Plugin on my track. When I run Digitest I get the error DSP 16 and Memtest FAILED. I think I need to replace DSP number 16. but on the HDX card they don't have a number for the DSP position. Do you have any way?

NO, it’s not. I pretty sure that comment/OPINION (yes I’m aware it IS an opinion) is the shortest I’ve ever made on KZfaq. With crazy fast CPU’s, NVMe SSDs, RAM. If you have a preamp/comp before you go digital, you don’t. You can fix just about EVERYTHING afterwords in your DAW. Enter Avid’s Carbon, it’ll be $2k in no time, then obsolete (next year)just like their other hardware. Bye, bye Avid. I just hope they know they are on a sinking SHIP Edit; All the DSPers WILL re-code their plugins

This is a great topic and video. As far as Studio One and FL Studio goes, I'm using a Gen 1 Scarlett 6i6, with some DSP, but no loopback. It outputs to my Mackie 1402-VLZ3 which feeds my Behringer Truth monitors. Studio One can access the DSP mixers of Antelopes and RMEs and some others from what I've heard, as I am consider either of those as an upgrade. I make beats, so I use hardware and software synths. Some of my software synths are quite CPU heavy, so there are times where I would cutoff the time-based fx, which gets things back in order...in S1. It has two buffer settings one for VSTs and one for mixing with dropout protection. FL Studio just has the latency setting which you can change either in the settings menu or in the audio interface's menu. DSP helps and is needed for some and maybe not for all, but it's working in the background anyway.........and then that plugin is added that causes the CPU to frazz out!!!! lol

No latency tracking with dsp changed my life

Can you define DSP based on the plugins/DAW and Cores? When it comes we do not need them anymore? It is a tricky subject. Reason I am asking is that since plugins are still CPU hungry regardless such as Izotope, Softube, etc unless a 16 core, the DAW will lock up. Have you tried your M1 with Izotope plugins fill all inserts and how many channels you can have before it locks up? try the Softube DSK3 for instance etc I did not purchase the M1 until the next generation comes out. Apple was not being transparent on their hardware specs and nothing was removable anymore. Protools seems to handle the plugins better than wave lab, Sequioa, etc.....thank you Barry

That begs the question: Why haven't DAW manufacturers ( software/hardware ) made a point about adding in a Mixing into your studio equation Solves many (latency) problems..Not to mention I/O for your hardware fx, synths etc...???

For me, the #1 requirement is ZERO downtime and/or glitches that waste even a single moment of my time. This is why a super-computer is step one; with a great GPU (which is actually where all of the DSP SHOULD be processed - GPUs - Nvidia Tesla - are what creates a real super-computer, and the fact that the plugin manufactures haven't ported their DSP processing this way is a real SMFH moment). That being said, the DSP hardware walled gardens of the various manufacturers are inescapable for someone who doesn't want a single moment of their time lost/wasted throughout the day's work. No one approaching this work with a professional mindset has a single moment to lose to inferior hardware. You get what you pay for. Also, I absolutely agree with you about freezing tracks. I never want to have to do that. That's like going back to the 1960s and having to bounce 4-tracks. Absolutely unnecessary and unforgivable in the 21st century. It's just another waste of time. And, 3rd party GUI's are annoying. That's like needing two consoles in the same control room. Ridiculous waste of time. Our workflows need to be absolutely streamlined to zero time wasted. The workflow should have zero frustrations within it. The quickest way between two points is a straight line. Our studios should be built and assembled with that in mind as rule #1.

In audio interfaces. Either for Monitoring a singer / acc guitar or for Podcasts having DSP is really great (recently got a TASCAM 16x08 to replace two firestudio projects). I think UAD is great but their prices are just ridiculous, I always just end laughing when I see how much money they want for their plugins. Would be better to have some DSP unit to run hungry VST plugins (heavy generators such as Omnisphere) as the Muse Research's receptor did.

Studio one allows you to track with FX through the DAW without you having another Software in front of it. Because I can do it in Studio One I got rid of my hardware and I just used software plugin now.

I'm using a 2920 Thread Ripper that natively boosts at 4Ghz. But I still want an outboard mixer which I prefer for tactile use, and a DSP for getting live instruments into my system. Get the tools you need to get the job done. You didn't talk about Tascam. You should. No they don't have 48 bit like RME babyface pro fs. But it has native drivers for USB and gets down to 4 samples. Whooot.

I think I have mentioned this before about Grammy award winner Producer *Oak Felder* that does everything in Logic Pro on his Macbook Pro. I remembered he managed to produce a song that was over 177+ track counts of Audio and virutal instruments all done on his Macbook Pro in Logic just using an Apogee Duet USB interface which proves computers have came a long ways. He did Demi Lovato's - Sorry Not Sorry entirely in Logic on his laptop. No Protools or fancy studios.

I figure once I render my vsts I should never have an issue.

Tha alreet then our Barry Johns.

I track with plugins all the time and don’t have dsp. I don’t monitor while tracking through the daw, but get my levels and tone prior to hitting the record button by listening through the daw. Switch over to Focusrite control, hit record and track with zero latency. So, I respectfully disagree with some of your statements regarding tracking. I recently used access analog to track the same way with an LA2A. Worked fine.

You can never count out a tool for everyone just because it doesn't work for you. That's toxic behavior anywhere. Applies for dsp, outboard gear, daws, processes, workflows, free,, cheap or expensive gear. Shoot you name it.

And another perceptive... Besides writing and recording music.... Doing Scores I use a lot of Orchestral Libraries.... Just like VI Synth guys.... Considering NONE really are DSP based, It sort of explains one of the reasons as to why there is no need... Only Latency while tracking through plugins is the only caveat to consider. the ONLY. As for Film post... Thats a way different story...

The answer is no!! And, to prove my point, you're beloved Avid Pro Tools latest version just proved the point that we've known for over 20 years.. YOU CAN MAKE A GREAT RECORD without DSP.....hint: Insert and mixer (big, small) into your setup...Zero latency monitoring...

Using the Steinbergs interface's you get dsp right in the project with Cubase.

I’m puzzled by the whole latency discussion. It seems to be the biggest argument the UAD fans love to tout, yet it has been a moot point for 15-20 years in my experience. I’ve been recording vocals and VIs through real-time fx with no perceivable latency through Digi 002, Apogee Duet, and RME Fireface (regular Pro Tools) without any issue. My vocal chain consists of at least an EQ, de-esser, compressor (or 2), and reverb/delay through aux sends. Where are people buying these computers that are causing latency issues? As long as my computer is powerful enough to run the session at a 128 sample buffer, I’m golden. Am I missing something? Serious question 🧐 Are we talking specifically about huge sessions with copious plugins?

Here's what you missed. These DSP solutions are PROPRIETARY. you are locked into that manufacturer's plug-in format... what's available, any quirks in licensing, as well as dead-end investments. If you're tracking and need effects, like vocals guitar amp simulators etc... do it. But I wouldn't do it for proprietary format plug-ins... unless you don't mind burning that money over the course of 5 years. For what you're spending, you can buy an analog mixer, some hardware effects, and not worry about future support, updates, and lack of support/upgrade paths. Don't buy anyone's magic box unless it's a 5 year throw away.

You're talking about one turn key solution, of course everyone would want it but I'll consider it if it goes down $200. In 5 years it will probably obsolete. I remember when Roland workstation came out I spent thousands for just a hobby. After a year I totally I got tired with it. If that's your tool to make a living by all means go for it but for a hobby the price is not worth it.

DSP interfaces that can work stand alone without computer are amazing. I moved from Ultralite MK3 firwirew (was great) to RME Fireface UFX (was great) to a ultralite MK5 (which is terrible). Setting up gain structure on the MK5 is a guessing game and requires so much page switching and greatly reduced dsp and functionality of the MK3 or MK4. There isn't even a manual for Cuemix 5 or dB readout values. Just saying don't get the MK5 if you care about setting gain structure properly. End of bitter rant.

Going to try 6 octos with the Presonus 32sc I will let you know how it works out. With an i7 10900k Alienware laptop and 3 m.2 2.tb hard drives. Plus 16 gb memory. Sadly the other Alienware allows a 64 gb memory and both ssd and two m.2, one m.3.

A better cpu won't hurt anybody

I just ordered a mac studio m1 max. I hope it dont have latency while recording equalized vocals with a compressor because i dont have money anymore🤣🤣🤣

I would want 2 ms or less

The older computer never hickuped

Do you talk about McDSP?

Or you can just have a very high end computer.. I use threadripper, 256gigs of ram ... no need for dsp for me

I have old PC and crap interface, and for me its work but not as I wish. As because am not recording and am not making money from music, I will not put money for dsp, instead of that I spend the money on my kids.

Love your delivery but please drop 90 to 100 'you know' from your speech. You know? 😇

2121?

The answer is no

I would be much more interested in your studio knowledge if you didn't say "YOU KNOW". I had to turn it off after 11 minutes when you reached the 100th "YOU KNOW"! You Know?