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Is 4 elements the worst class in the game? No, but it makes you work harder, and it’s really only 3 elements because earth isn’t in the game. I really hope they update the subclass in an update or the next edition.

People are way too obsessed with going tavern brawler on monk. It's kind of frustrating that ever monk class build you find online just says "Go TB lol' because that's really lazy. WOTFE is more of a range focused subclass than the other two so suggesting that people just forgo that aspect of the subclass and go TB regardless is kind of silly imo. I think one way this subclass could be very fun and interesting is to have a build centered around cold damage and the mourning frost staff found in act 1. It being a staff means its a monk weapon, and it gives you the ability to cast ray of frost without expending spell slots, that coupled with the innate cold damage the staff does on hit means you could drop decent damage in melee or range. Additionally in act 3 you could get the snow-dusted monastery gloves which make your unarmed attacks also deal cold damage, which would also scale with the stave, and give your flurry of blows more damage. Before act 3 you could use the winters clutches gloves, to build up encrusted with frost and make enemies frozen, which then makes them vulnerable to bludgeoning, thunder and force damage, which again synergises with other spells you can cast, such as shatter from the sentient amulet. There is so much you can and could have done with a WOTFE monk, but no instead I guess just go tavern brawler.

Dude, Jade Empire. What a game to remember. Soo deserves a remaster.

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Biggest problem with 4 elements monk is that unlimited scrolls exist. So you can be an open hand monk and still cast tons of spells.

You can also put the Monk with a Warlcok and a Bard and make a full short rest party, there is definally enough food in the game

Made a D.Urge strength barbarian/4 elements multiclass. Lorewise: barbarian felt right with the D.urge, and became more monk-like to control those urges Gameplay: 4 elements ki spells work WHILE RAGING. Fun factor: you play a barbarian that can beat one enemy to death with the corpse of another, while your hands are on fire

You know what? That upfronted TLDW earned a subscription from me. I like a brief to the point answer as well as an explanation and such after. Good work.

I read a comment and I really liked a suggestion it made that it would be cooler if the spells weren't just clones of existing spells, but similar to the "Fangs of the Fire Snake" where this ability fits in with the extra unarmed attack bonus action. I feel like more unique "element" spells/actions that synergizes with the overall ways monks work would be really cool!

When you mentioned Githyanki getting Greatsword proficiency, but them not qualifying for monk weapons, theres a mod for Kensei Monk subclass I found that does let you use a greatsword as a monk weapon as a Gith. I decided to make Ganondorf with it. Its crazy Stunning Striking with a Greatsword.

Once you've done fangs of the fire snake. it lasts for the whole turn and does damage. if you are in melee don't bother using it again. just use your physical attacks or even your flurry of blows and you'll do the fire damage on top of it. That is unless they changed something in this more recent patch. And it doesn't waste as much of your ki. Though monks have a lot more ki than they are often accused of having because of short rests and ki also scales as a resource far higher than other classes resources (with the exception of full casters with spell slots)

Tempest Cleric/Elemental Monk. Heavy armored thunder puncher

I really liked Jade Empire too, nice reference

4 Elements monk is great with warlock, hex damage procs multiple times with flames of the fire snake. That with tavern brawler makes a really cool Zuko-esque heavy armor monk build(I took a level of fighter for it)

4 Ki Points for a silly Fireball at LVL 11 I still can't believe Four Elements Monk is a real thing and not a joke

Great video. I would just recommend getting Eldritch Blast somehow while leveling up as a 4 elements monk then maybe respec out of it at level 12 or whatever when you get more Ki points and better equipment. That way you can use EB to clean up easier mobs while saving your Ki points for the boss fights. You can even do it without multiclassing by using the Magic Initiate: Warlock feat although it is better with two levels in warlock. The only drawback is that it arguably takes at least a 14 in Charisma to be reliably effective, hence the need to respec at some point most likely.

Eh I’ve found that with the right magic items, 4 elements monk and barbarian is your best friend, since rage and tavern brawler is really consistent for the monk’s unarmed build. Fangs of the fire snake is your best friend though for increasing strike damage.

I'm gonna try out Karlach as a 4 elements monk for my second playthrough. I like the idea of her throwing fire around since she's already basically on fire. I'd like to avoid Tavern Brawler this time as it just felt so overpowered (my last Karlach was a Frenzy Barb throw build); I also fooled around with an Open Fist Tavern Brawler in the endgame. Ironically, Tavern Brawler would fit her personality and backstory quite well I think. I hated that raging meant I couldn't use her Zariel Tiefling smites so a weapon using monk seems like it could be neat. I just wish I had longsword proficiency; I might take an eventual fighter dip for the weapon proficiencies as much as anything. Phalar Aluve for the win.

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Wait a second, if Fangs of the Fire Snake counts as an unarmed strike, does that mean you can boost it with Astarians Vampire Ascendent passive, Gloves of Soul Catching, and Boots of Kushigo? Also, you could chug Elixer of Cloud Giant Strength to boost your dmg considerably as well. If so, that would mean the 4 Elements Monk has the hardest hitting Action based punch, even harder than Way of Open Hands.

4 Elements Monk is probably the strongest Monk subclass when it first becomes available. The Fire Snake adding a good chunk of bonus damage to the follow up attacks is extraordinarily good at that point in the game, it just doesnt scale nearly as well as the other subclasses do.

Man I would love a remaster of Jade Empire. I played through that game so many times.

Thanks for the video

like you said, the primary limitation is the ki points and there are just too few ways to interact with them. IMO all 3 monk subclasses would benefit from a class passive that allowed them to regain ki points if specific conditions are met. something along the lines getting Ki points back for killing blows on Shadow, critical strikes on OH or inflicting a status on 4E would go a long way to bring decision making to each subclass in order to optimize for Ki point usages. For the 4E subclass specifically I really liked how you called out the Fangs of the Fire Snake as I think the residual fire damage on the next strike could really diversify the 4E monk outside of their Ki-as-Spellslots interactions. Having your melee strikes imbued with more elemental damage subsequent to using a ki point skill could create a sort of monk gish playstyle and draw some of the emphasis away from spending Ki points every turn. BG3 has already done a ton to make the class better, so hopefully changes like this matriculate back to WOTC for the OneDND rewrite.

Its a great dual class with storm cleric

I made your build but used the pyro hat with fire 🔥 once I burn I get a extra turn. And I’m using Quarter staff with fire bolt and fire ball. So I’m getting four turns per rotation super fun open with fire snake, unarmed smash, fireball, and weapon reaction.

I kind of used this class as a hybrid class that used spells only really when needed but still ran around and hit things. Sort of a battlemage type thing. Seemed to do fine on tactician especially since I didn't want to use Gale or anyone else using these spells.

Basic plans for an astarion thief/way of the four elements ascended monk vampire because the necrotic damage will proc multiple times.

You have to give up and skip tavern brawler with element monk. You have to do odd things. Go heavy on Wisdom and Dex, then con, then char. level 1, storm sorc (for monk flying), then go into elemental monk + sparkle hands, plus electric staff from wakeens rest + water staff, plus duel wield for 2 staffs , blast pendant, plus electrical feet, plus electrical immunity ring, et et et et et... then give yourself a few levels in tempest cleric... it's a tricky build. Still working on it.

Well done. 😉

I really wish that mourning frost worked with monks and there were more ice stuff, mourning frosts passive should just be any ice damage source not just spells

The gear that adds wisdom modifier to your unarmed attacks combined with tavern brawler does a lot of damage (even more with tavern brawler + wisdom modifier gear to unarmed + wild shaped owl bear )

I played it, it’s great. Still punching like ton of bricks and can throw a fireball when you need it ❤

not saying its better than the options you listed and maybe you mentioned it and I just didn't notice but soul catching gloves are really good for monks, plus 10 force damage and you can heal, or give yourself advantage on attack rolls. It's nerfed compared to real dnd but the fact that its available in the games awesome.

the fix would have been to subract 1 from all the abilities. so the 1 ki abilities are basically weak cantrips. ki is a huge problem with monks. Rogue bonus actions don't cost Ki.

What they shouldve done is given way of the elements monk a free bonus action level 1 spell to use from a short list. Like shocking grasp or burning hands or create water.

4 elements monk needs a way to regain ki during combat. For example, Breaking concentration of an enemy gives you ki. The higher tier spell equals more ki gained.

Also, if 4 Element Monks attacks count as unarmed strike, does this mean Tavern Brawler can boost the attack roll on something like Hold Person?

I feel seen for my spore druid four elements monk. It's pretty powerful early on I'll say. For sure the first on into a fight and has survivability. SO FAR! Lol

Any wizard builds in the near future? I’ve started a new campaign, never played a wizard before. I want to know the power that awaits!! Great videos as ever

Any idea how pact weapon works with shillelagh? Want do a monk warlock so was thinking about ways to boost monk weapon damage.

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When do i respec at lvl 9 monk, then go 3 warrior 6 monk? Or earlier

Arent those battlemage gloves bugged? They dont seem to work for me.

I've been trying to find a way to make Club of Hill Griant Strength in the offhand work with Tavern Brawler; with a dual weilding monk...... '

Would the elemental adept "cant roll a 1" make it so cinder gloves do 2-4 fire dmg?

If you multiclass fighter you won’t benefit from the Defense fighting style unless you wear armor, which can be viable, it’s just different than how you’d imagine a monk to play.

is elemental affinity (dragon sorc lv6) affects monk spells?

I'm literally role playing as Sub-Zero right now. Next is Scorpion and then Raiden.

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“You’ve got this hat, which is a really basic crap-ass hat” I’m dying😂

Holy shit did I hear correctly? Did you just reference Jade empire that game was awesome and you're the only person I've ever heard mention that game. Like just for that

So here is a really dumb question, when making a strength toon, would it be beneficial to drop strength to 8 and use the elixir of hill giant strength to increase it to 21 until long rest, and put those points somewhere else that makes sense?

You can restore ki with the slumber potions mid fight

You said Jade Empire, and suddenly I knew I wanted to play a Monk.

Damn imma run a gold dragon fire monk and use the fireball staff from the inn in act two, put a fire enchant on it with the drakethroat glaive oooooo fun oil of combustion heheheh

Monk 9 rogue 3 thief w drunk stick to get advantage on all attacks! 150 dmg rack round

The biggest issue with 4E Monk is that it should be treated as an Expert Class subclass. You have to be very selective amd judicious with your resources. As an avid 5E, i build a WIS based monk and take 1 Level of Druid for She-Lay-Lay and the Jump Spell or Temepst Cleric...the scaling damage for cantrips reduces the stress of Ki point resource management

Couldn't have come at a better time. Running element monk as we speak. Wasn't sure what the best approach was.

I did 6 levels into shadow monk 3 into gloomstalker and 3 into thief for my dark urge playthrough and I just stay inside the spell darkness and pick off enemies from there. Imo best way to play as a stealth character

I tried Four Elements for a bit on my Monk-run ... but quickly switched (back) to Open Hand. The latter is just too OP to not use it. And despite the oriental sounding names, Four Elements' magic isn't anything new or spectacular. From what I could tell, almost all spells are just re-named versions of ones you can get with other classes. Open Hand on the other hand (har, har) feels sufficiently unique to make it a great experience, even if you're on your Nth run (my Monk-run was my fifth play-through). There are a few drawbacks, like having to rely on other companions for anything CHA-related. Especially in Honour-mode where vendor-prices for the nicer gear can be a bit crazy. The other drawback is that, ideally, you would need to have three or even four attributes in the +3 or +4 range for the perfect build - and that just isn't an option. My solution was to go hard on WIS and DEX, go "decent" on CON and dump everything else, including STR (even though I went with Tavern Brawler). I needed to rely on daily STR-elixirs to make my build work, but since there's always a vendor available who re-stocks those every day, this isn't really a problem. Heck, I'm currently on my 6th run with a Warlock - a class that bores me to tears - and I'm seriously considering to abandon that run (just started Act III) or to re-specc the guy into a Monk.

Four Elements Monk would be alot better if they had monk exclusive spells. Currently all you get with 4 elements monk is a roleplay class. Its spells are the exact same as if u a wizard or sorc and its double attack doesnt have synergy as a spellcaster (except ofc fangs of the fire snake but in terms of dmg its peanuts).

Before even watching the video, its got such minimal spell ability, it has minimal utility compared to open hand. Scrolls essentially make it worthless compared to open hand.

I like the ideal a polearm wielding 4E monk flavor wise. But I wasn't too sure how viable the weapon damage would be.

14:05 are feats that weak compared to going from 8-9 or 9-10 monk? Seems like 8-4 is better in every way ? For unarmored defense asi . You don’t need ki points every fight the game is super easy . When u need ki points you use one then do other things like casting from a scroll or throwing a bomb which also is given in much higher quantities than needed

ive tested hat of fire acuity on my 4 elements monk, it seems the buff doesnt count monk spells as an actual "spells" so the "spell" AC doesnt increase

I hope so, I’m tryna play Scorpion

Haven’t even watched the video yet, but here’s my two cents: Fangs of the Fire Snake and Water Whip are your bread and butter all game. Four Elements Monk in BG3 is night and day from 5e. It’s still meh, but it’s not trash.

Im running a 4 element monk frenzy barb set for karlach and its some fucking heat (literally)

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I wanna make a Dark Urge inspired by Akuma from Street Fighter using 4 Elements Monk and Barbarian

What really makes me scratch my head is why there are elemental disciplines that are just already existing cantrips, but still cost one ki. Why in God's name would you EVER want to use 1 ki to cast shocking graph as a MONK? It's laughably bad and it makes no sense that monk has to spend resources on something other classes get to do for free, in order to do LESS damage than the attack action would have. What were they thinking??? Even the 5e four elements monk didnt do this!

I made mine with 1 lvl barbarian at start then it had dex and con added to ac instead of dex and wis.

Shadow monk next plz

you're immediately talking about high level end game rather than the struggle at lower levels. they get better when you get tavern brawler with the STR potion but before that, they struggle. they aren't meant to spam spells, they're not wizards. any spell outside fire snake is extremely situational and shouldn't be used often, again, they are not wizards.

Tavern Brawler: I would drop str as a dump stat and wear gloves of Hill Giant strength instead; Dex to 20 and increase using mirror of loss to 22 without mods

i might change my monk into a shadow monk tbh

The timing on this video is unsettling... I spent last night trying to research and play around with this class. Will be interesting to see what you have to say about it!

Hi mate how do bards help a month with ki

Question? can a dwarf with its racial proficiency in either battle axes or warhammers use them two handed as they are versatile not two handed and still consider them monk weapons? Trying to make a dwarf slayer build lol

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Sparkle hands is broken as hell on a monk. You always hit against armored enemies with unarmed and you melt those damn robots too.

From my experience the monk is pretty strong early but seems to fall off at late act 2

Continuing the truism that if a news or video asks a question in the title, the answer is no. I haven't played this subclass yet, but yeah as soon as I saw that their "spells" cost 2-3 ki points each I was instantly put off. That's a LOT of ki in my mind. That said I did try comparing it to a pure caster by comparing Ki points to Spell slots and it isn't that far off, but still feels not fun. Also casters get Cantrips. The other two Monk subclasses are so good though.

Off topic but will you be covering legacy of persia?

Its not just KI points, it how expensive everything is, for little return. Cantrips are free are they scale passively, with only character levels. Monk cantrips cost 1 ki, scale only once, and it wastes a 4ele feature. This is incredibly stupid. Either increase ki spell damage overall, or reduce all ki cost by 1 and fix ki cantrips.

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I play 4 elements because it reminds me of Xiaolin Showdown. My character is evil Master Monk Guan 3:)

You know what monk I love? The monks from Final Fantasy Tactics.

elemental monk is just a bad spellcaster, the Ki points on short rest is not that much of a issue. even open hand short rests between fights altough they dish a ton of damage

Open hand monk with scrolls are very bad because you need int/wis to sucess against enemys saving trowns. also you cant stun efectively for the same reason. The video is not very well done. With 4 elements you can use scrolls and can steal ( wis/des) and you should use gears like a mage ( to rise saving trown difficulty) and should use weapons and off-hand to get some kind of bonus. In party composition 4 elements will be the agility dps and caster. I suggest a composition with a paladin/warrior, cleric, monk and a beast master/archer

Elemental monk hybrid?

But the defense fighting style works with a monk? You need to be wearing armor

Four Elements is the only Monk class i've played. I needed Water Whip to kill Auntie Ethel 😐

My four elements monk currently has the easiest time in battles out of the whole party. They're all level 11

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Wild heart babarian 3 x Four element monk 9 also funny. Because you can get a super tanky spell caster babarian

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