If GE is really responsible then they shouldn't manufacture engines for AMCA. Also Gripen shouldn't be chosen for MRFA because they also use GE F414 engines

Nothing like self reliance in defence manufacturing but we have to understand that the defence manufacturing eco system development takes atleast two decades to give the desired outcomes.

AAJ SABKO KAVERI KI IMPORTANCE SAMAJH AA RAHEE HOGI 😢😢

Bhaii Saab Billion dollar industry hai Lobbying hai Apne national political benefits hai Aur people etni gehrai mei jaa nahi patey hai Lekin Alpha Defense real scenario le k aai. Kudos 👏 Bohot himmat Ka kaam hai bhaii!!!!

America bharose ke layak hi nhi😢us engine use nhi karna chahiye.

Is our government going to learn from this and consider other options for AMCA and Mk2? Thats the question.

I still don't know why govt is not developing Kaveri on war footing. It's sad that we are looking at shot term benefits over long term benefits

In short, if we want to develop something on our own , it is crucial to keep US away from it. We can clearly see GE delaying supply of F404 engines and supplying junk engines to hinder our Tejas programe

Now people who doubted kaveri will understand the importance of continuing the development process of that engine. The only way to attain strategic autonomy is through self reliance of the most important technologies. It's okay if we fail once or twice or thrice but we should not stop developing that particular technology. A lot of taxpayer money is wasted in bogus programs and in the scenerio of development where R&D is involved nothing is wasted. Even if the program is not succeed, i.e. , not fulfilling the required benchmarks still it provides us with a bunch of expertise and knowledge. Therefore nothing is a failure and our government should aim to develop engine in 3 categories self reliantly of 85- 90 kN , 95-100kN and 110-115 kN.

Yes due to geopolitics.

Now people will understand why funding was required for R&D for Kaveri engine program

पहले भी अमेरीका ने क्रायोजनीक इंजीन के लिए भारत पे सँक्शन डाले थे लेकिन खुदका इंजीन बनाके भारत ने अपनी स्पेस मिशन आगे बढाई आज भी तेजस के इंजीन के लिए रोडे अटका रहे है देर हो लेकिन भारत खुदका कावेरी इंजीन डेवलप करके दुनिया के आगे बढेंगे❤🇮🇳

Why government still not investing in test facilities like high altitude test facility and flying test bed i think it is high time government should invest in this and maybe it could reduce the time which is speculated to be a decade to 6-7 years for Kaveri engine to be certified.

In Oct, 2023 HAL chief said first lot of Tejas mk1A will be delivered in Feb, 2024 without engine😊

Bilkul sahi bhai sab HAL ko blame karte hai jabki problems imported parts aur air force ke regular changes ki vajah se ho ri hai. Jaanbujh ke import lobby indegineous products ko dabati hai aur bekar declare kar deti hai. Govt bhi kam ni hai ADA me retired govt employees ko re-engage kia ja ra hai. Kya desh me engineers ki kami hai jo retired logo ko hire kia ja ra hai. Jo young log hire kie jate hai vo contract pe hire kie jate hai bhot kam salary me. Aaplog khud ADA aur HAL ke recruitment check karo. Koi inpe baat ni karega lekin sab bas HAL ko blame karege kyuki vo easy hai.

High time the Kaveri is brought back and the program put on "Utmost Priority" List. Haan theek hai, we will have an underpowered engine initially, that should be impetus to work hard and develop it even more . Look at the Chinese. They are also having problems with their engines but they are not quitting. The WS10 for instance isn't a Rolls Royce or GE 414, but they are working on it constantly and it is getting better. Why can't we do the same? Why does it always have to be the most finished product all the time that the Army and Airforce want? Bottom line there is no alternative to Atmanirbharta.

concentrate on solutions not the problem, problems will always crop up, we need to find ways to overcome the challenges...

This is the most accurate and reliable channel for Indian defense tech. The other channels are behind by a country mile.

The price of DEPENDING on America.

Yes And we was waisting time in production Tejas MK1 We should concentrate on Mk2 with F414 and speed up of production.

India should expedite its plan to have another engine option for tejas fighters, can collaborate with France also to producer a 90kn engine

India should revive Cauvery engine programme. For future aircraft programs

Very good analysis... Keep the good job going.

15 saal pehle agar humne Kavery ka funding jari rakha hota toh aaj functioning engine hota hamare paas... Par import import karnewallo ke karan hum US ke saamne haat phailane ko majboor hai...

ई तो साला होना ही था

When we were singing this deal with US I said we can't trust them, for their benefit they will pull this kind of stunt and see what's going on. It's high time to revive Kaveri and pour billions to make that engine running.

Rolls Royce & Euro Typhoon - Will favour India in FTA talks too.

Abhi achanak se news aayi ki Kaveri engine is ready tab inn sab ki fat ki flower ho jayegi😂

YOU SAID IT. NOT ME. THE USA WANTS TO SELL F16 AND F15 TO INDIA.

one more reason to make kaveri engine otherwise they will levarage this point we need to become atmanirbhar

Always Precise & to the point information!! Thanks Bro!!

US ne apni nature ke mutabik act kiya hai par US pe bharosa karne ki saari galti bharat ki hai.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

GE alone won't sabotage it but has been forced to by US government and I'm glad it's happening. It should be a wake up call for India to have its own engine and should have different manufacturers making them in India.

Starting 1 n half min broo ❤️ Dil jeet liya

Use rd-33 till time and make Tejas in huge numbers with same engine... by the time kaveri can be certified for single engine aircraft... this is the plan to achieve timely delivery of all tajas orders...

Retired foreign engine experts should be hired to guide HAL for faster development of Kaveri engines.

great punch....thats what we need to listen...

Hope so !!!

Some of the brightest minds in the country work in defence companies and isro at fraction of salary than they deserve.

last kai salon se modi ne kaveri ko funding rok rakhi hai aur US se GE-414 ka faisla bhi modi ka hi hai, baki isme sarkai babu logon ko ilzam lagana bilkul galat hai, defence ministery ka interest na hone se hi uske under kam kane wale offices bhi slow hi kam karne lagte hain, so jab modi sarkar ka interest hi defence ko majboot karne ka nahin fir koi kuchh nahin kar sakta.😐😐😐😐😐

Iron Man of HAL Sanjay Sharma quits because HAL denied him promotions consequently for almost 3 years. Sad to see that nothing has changed at HAL in over 30 years. HAL and other DPSUs are good for nothing sarkari dhandas filled with chaff.

Sir sahi baat boli he aapne ......good job

Twin engine tejas with 2 kaveri engines , enhanced payload and bigger size. Why can't anyone think of it.

It is alleged that the Tejas programme was sabotaged right from 1983 and the setting up of ADA.

Is it really GE which is doing the sabotage? Or is it US govt which is doing the sabotage? GE is a private company, and doesn't concern itself with international politics. It's US govt which leans in different ways based on its foreign policy.

As always very practical and to the point analysis, always love to hear your analysis

Now if we want to go with other vendor like RR , Safran or Russian engines than we have go through 2-3 year process including testing and negotiations.

Nice explanation bro ❤👍

चलो माना कि जी GE इंजन टाइम पर नहीं दिए। परंतु जो हवाई जहाज तैयार हो चुके हैं वह भी तो हल दे नहीं रहा है निकम्मी सरकारी कंपनी ने

Hal aur drdo jis se ek engine nahi banta. Zindabad.

One famous lines , it s very easy to survive being a enemy of US ,but it is very difficult to survive being a friend or allies of US😂😂

Kya engin change karne par airframe me bhi changes honge?i mean major changes if any.

Mig 29 ka rd 33 engines bharat me ban raha hai. Aur rd 33 ka thrust b ge 404 k samaan hai ,sirf engines k body aur Jo b avashyak badlaav karke iaf ka squadron strength ko aur girne se rok na avashyak hai. Baad me jab swadesh engines aaye, ya m88 ya ge ka engines ko replacement ki Tarah use karna chahiye.

It is said fighter aircraft are designed around engines. If that's the case, would switching to a new engine require a major redesign and hence inevitably huge delays in the timelines ? Lesson we keep getting but refusing to learn is there's no alternative to indigenous options with all critical components sourced from within the country or stockpiled to serve the needs for the lifetime of the product.

USA has jeopardised our Tejas production. We cannot depend on foreign supplier for critical parts. On a whole our Tejas programme has failed to live up to fullfill it's objective. For this GOI, HAL and IAF are completely responsible for compromising India's security needs.

भारत सरकार को त्वरित गति से Safran और Rolls-Royce के साथ batchit करके अपने तेजस mk1a ,mk2 और amca के लिए इंजन डील की ओर बढ़ना चाहिए. जय हिन्द 🇮🇳 🇮🇳

India does same mistake again and again and never learn. We also getting American engines for AMCA...

Yes, the criticism and the practice of quoting unknown sources by the commentators point to the standard practice of a coordinated effort. These efforts are mostly well funded by resourceful parties. People in leadership understand it. You are right, we need to create options. US may be arm twisting India as US ambassador Garcetti hinted clearly in his speech. We have to develop multiple sources and fund indigenous research consistently, not sporadically. A segment of political, bureaucratic and military leadership have discouraged indigenous development in the past to serve their immediate objectives and they could be doing it even now. But today’s India is lot more capable than it was in 1980s. Therefore, it’s going to be hard for the US to get its ways. Anti Indian segment in Russian administration led by no other than the foreign minister Lavrov has also been subdued by the Ukrainian war. Therefore, developing a counterweight in Russia for American pressure is an approach in India’s national interest.

MAT MAANO YAAR.... was a nice one... 🎉

Always go ahead with backup plan..... otherwise the result is before us 🙏🙏🙏

Will we ever stop blaming others for our very own incompetence.

Its possible. I mean Tejas was delayed by 10yrs because of US. Another US company directly resulted in bankruptcy of GoAir. I don't get, why don't we create proper contracts. If we had included penalty clauses in case of delays, this wouldn't have happened

Thank you for providing details on GE F404 engines supplied to India.

I never say HAL is Kaamchor😐😐😐.. HAL ki history dekh lo,ye logo ne Bht passion se Home grown jets pe kaam kia hai

Kaveri 2 should be ready earliest

Finally someone is talking about the real thing.

If INDIA can produce Cryogenic engine, why can't we be successful in producing Aircraft Kaveri engine .....just matter of time. We will be there.

Meanwhile JF-17 block 3 production is going at a calculated pace as 23rd Airframe of JF-17 was seen escorting the Aerbhaijan President.

People does Not understand, Every company ..even GE are there to make Profit earn money, Not run a Charity or Educational institute. No Company or Country will give this technology, be it GE, RR, French or Russians. The only option with Buying engine is to have multiple source... TILL you develop one on your own.

We can never ever trust GE and US. So is the same with Rolls Roys

This is the government to government deal that's why it's not Hal fault to delay

So why is an alternative to the GE F414 not being considered parallelly ?? Especially when we know that the EJ200 is a worthy replacement? 83 Tejas MK1A are on order followed by another 97 aircraft totaling to 180 aircraft. So why not split the order between both engines so as to maintain a sufficient level of independence? The IAF suffers from shortfalls due to this short sighted approach and the Tejas production gets delayed. IAF (should be aiming at 50 squadrons or 1000 MODERN fighters) is aimiing at 42 squadrons or 840 aircraft and they are short by almost 417 aircraft(not taking the Jags & Mig 21s into account) and TEjas MK1As and MK2s are supposed to provide 180 + 200 aircraft respectively. THis will effectively fill the gap required for the IAF. So basic question is not for attacking any organisation but the lack of flexibility of thought in consideration of options. Rolls Royce should be pulled in for 50% of the order.

It's not Americana but HAL is sabotaging Tejas 😂

Sabotage is very much possible considering American history.

🇮🇳 We should have Russian alternative to GE 404 engine for the future and it's available.

Please GE cut the supply of engines and impose sanctions only then these guys will understand , it's better to fly your own junk than to beg from people.

1 baar me hi 100 GE F404 engines le lena chahiye tha Bharat ko. USA ka mood kabhi bhi badal jata hai.

I am sure

The way you have explained engine requirements is quite clear. Then to pre-empt this delay or arm twisting, why does HAL not call for engines in larger numbers, in advance. After all the IAF is intending to have a fleet of approximately 200 MK1A's. This would eliminate the delays and have adequate engines in stock for the entire MK1A current projected requirement. GE are hard core business oriented and for them not to take such a massive order of say 300 engines seriously would be unlikely.

India is so much ashamed of itself….it doesn’t value its strength. I work in semiconductor fabrication industry. I see lot of talented Indian people developing high end chips. India should attract back this talent. Red tapeism is the main reason why companies don’t open manufacturing facilities in India. Govt should make changes to labor, land laws and make them more industry friendly.

Result of not taking the Kaveri project forward. The moment Kaveri project was de linked from the LCA project, this was to be expected. If these projects were not delinked, the Tejas programme was expected to be delayed. Now, also it's delayed due to relying on others. With Kaveri, at least we would have had our infrastructure.

Subodhji kal Bangalore mei Tejas fly kr raha tha

Both RR and GE could do so for AMCA too

@Alpha Defence, isnt LCA designed around GE F404? Wont other options from Safran/RR require major modification and long certification process for Tejas?

HAL was to deliver 3 mk1a by Feb, which got pushed to only one by end March, then only one by July, then only one by August....who is to blame? GE ofcourse.....they r not supplying engines...then how did HAL flew the first mk1a?? Must be via HTT-25 engine isnt it??? HAL tussi great ho, taufa kabool karo....

Why Government is hesistating in reviving back Kaveri engine program?

Modi need to fund kaveri engine asap... throw out kadi ninda..we need a real military general as our defense minister.

Everyone from DRDO, ADA, GOI, IAF, GE is trying to sabotage Tejas except HAL...HAL is giving their 300% to make Tejas mk1a a success.....

Question: Why do you think India might not have a backup plan and is not talking to other engine manufacturers? If you can think of it, ppl in the government can. Probably might already have anticipated when Russia-Ukrain war started.

Kash past 10 years mein Kaveri Engine par work chalu rehta toh aaj humare pass backup plan hota aur GE (USA) ki aukaat nahi hoti humari arm twisting ki... Modi Govt. ka meri nazron mein ye unka sabse bada failure hai.

Actual people actually who are also Indians and defence bloggers.. miserable fail to understand this... Or simply ignore this due to unknown reasons...

Do you think companies like HAL need to pass information on public platforms regarding the actual reason behind the delay when the media writes articles on HAL. I am okay with accountability but I don't like blaming a company without any valid reason. HAL is helpless if GE is delaying delivery of engines.

Bhai, delays by GE is a way to keep INDIA HOOKED and punish India for its efforts on strategic autonomy. As this will keep IAF week and this will ensure our dependence on USA, we need to plead them to get engines and they will make us bow to their demand.

Ab socho AAP kaise is aircraft ko export ke liye pin up karoge. And agar Tejas better nikal gaya to US ke fighters mehenge inflated prices pe kaun sa developing nation kharidega. Indian govt should put great amounts of funding into multiple engine development programmes, rope in and poach minds from other companies if you have to with better pennies and extras. But develop the whole ecosystem in India. Fast track provisional certification and deploy engineers who monitor every aircraft to keep upgrading and making the engines more efficient and safe.

Absolutely, buy f-18 and everything will be available immediately....

Unhoney pheley hi kaha thha ki engine ki supply dhirey hi hogi. Ager dum thha itney saalo sey apna bna letey isro ney tuo bna dala. Is project ko isro ko ab b dey do vo 4 sey 5vsaal mey hi usa sey b acchi technology bna dengey.

सही बात बोले। GE ही दोषी है ।

JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

Maine phele hi kaha tha agee bhi kahunga USA India ka partner kabhi nahi banega kyoki USA ki mansikta abhi bhi british wali hai

Keep USA companies away from MRFA and AMCA engine programme