Exactly

All of you are hit hard where it needed to be by Kiramink! You've become Hikaru doing support for him. Cheaters!!! 😂

500 elo is being generous, he’s hanging his standard deviation within 3 moves 😂

We are all just wrong, he reached this conclusion using his revolutionary, protected under copyright and trademark secrets, Kramnik model, all we know about it is that it uses cherrypicked data and questionable assumptions. However it is demonstrated by AI and bias that under the most important assumption of ‘me being right” the Kramnik test on the kramnik model is the undisputed best there is as proven by simulations

@@StheSharknl He probably hasn't even learnt about the Normal Distribution, let alone all the other distribution types and how to use them

do you study psychology? because I think you are absolutly right

Bro is having his late Bobby Fischer arc. He's losing it.

nothing pyschological in it just a simple lead @@idk47070

@@idk47070 you dont need to study psychology .....its basic knowledge

Not really it's mostly envy or insecurity, something malicious rather than some just cause of hunting the cheaters. I had dealt people like this when I was playing competitive a different game. These people are so bitter

hikaru literally accused niemann of cheating in a classical game with 0 proof too

@@finejupiter5154 ig the difference is that niemann has been caught cheating multiple times online and hikaru was only talking on what multiple top 10 gms were saying about niemann at the time

@@finejupiter5154That was Magnus, not Hikaru. And that was a bit different, *lots* of GMs were jumping on the bandwagon.

@@finejupiter5154not just Hikaru, but Magnus and a bunch of other Gm’s who mentioned it behind the scenes, that and the fact that Neiman admitted to cheating online, which is more proof of cheating then kramnik had against Hikaru lol

@@finejupiter5154 please know what your talking about before humiliating yourself by commenting this

Hikaru is a time traveler who has an engine that tells him the best moves and premoves even before the game begins so Hikaru can just premove all moves on beforehand.

@@wusulus yes. So kramnik is right I think.

@moistman3110 one guy is there - Magnus

What kind of music does Nakamura prefer?

That's a really great point. He doesn't need to cheat, and it would be a lot less fun than actually playing for real.

But it might give him a buzz.....

@@chriskehoe1394 tickle his backside? It sounds unappealing and unhygenic.

This is it, the speed in which he plays rarely allows any time for cheating, he's been playing for so long it really is quite laughable. He explains his thought process constantly... It just doesn't add up.

it would also LITERALLY slow him down, hikaru plays way too fast to be cheating, not like anyone actually thinks he is though

There was a reason that he was a world champion when the engines didnt have that much power and creativity ... So, it is very less likely that Kiramink may be accused of anything. But, Hikaru is by all means should be inspected as the modern format perfectly encourages players to use some kind of help ... Hikaru's is the one who was involved in false allegations of cheating on Hana. Therefore, it makes sense that Hikaru be checked thoroughly! Why nobody is actually working on the games played by Hikaru suggesting a highly likely use of some assistance as Kiramink is doing it? He was a world champion for a reason instead of this low IQ player .... I keep forgetting his name, oh yes Hikaru!

​@@user-ht3ks4se5oWhat are you talking about, Kramnik became the champion when computers easily beat people, and, by the way, he was accused of cheating against Topalov.

​@user-ht3ks4se5o Hans has a record of cheating and was accused by the current #1 player in the world which sparked a serious effort to start taking fair play seriously. Hikaru is top 3 (only other player in the world currently that can give Magnus a run for his money, edit: in blitz) and does NOT have a record of cheating. Statistics pointed the finger at Hans while statistics are clearing Hikaru. There is no logic from Kramnik, just jealously and bitterness. Enjoy your copium.

No way Capablanca was unbeaten for a much longer duration Far fewer games though

@@Phurngirathaana The problem with that is that Lasker had a four year period where he was champion but didn't play a single game... do we consider that a 4 year streak then? No. Either way Kramnik's record is very impressive and I'm sure there was at least one person at the time who assumed Kramnik is cheating. That's just how it goes.

Yeah that's a strong possibility.

Exactly what I think. Narcissist people never accept their faults. They'd rather convince themselves that they are right. So it wouldn't matter to Kramnik even if a group of worldwide respectful statisticians tell him he is wrong.

Крамник это ученик Каспарова и Карпов. Карлсен и Накамура это ученики Карпова Каспарова Крамника! Им до никогда с ними не сравниться!

Good argument.

"If you only know at least the basics of analyzing data". Bro didn't even go to highschool and I'm supposed to take his data analysis seriously? I hate to say it but "shut up and play chess".

He’s going to kill himself before you get a chance. Man is physiologically crazy

😂😂 dude..

After the mathematicians show how many sessions he is going to need you might need to rethink this one 😂

I rather you pay for Hans

It seems former WCs tend to claim people cheat at chess, and Kramnik is a late bloomer

Oh yeah? Now play one hour long chess game while cheating and explain the thought process, do that shit in blitz could you?

@@hanazonosan6610I think you’re confused. Let’s take it easy and read what they said again

@@hanazonosan6610are u slow?

lmao

Well stock fish is using an engine during the games.

@@schizoframia4874Thats the joke

@@buckelupyt I added to the joke

​@@schizoframia4874you explained the joke causing it to be ruined

Yeah it's like undergraduate level combinatorics, and a motivated high school student can learn to do it pretty swiftly. It's not deep stuff.

well said, exactly , this is funniest part, every one is busy saying hay i am not a mathematician but this my point, what bull shit, this basic probability, basic math , and kramnik is bull shitting , it is damn clear...

​@@zuzusuperfly8363The mistakes Kramnik are making are the mistakes the probability books warn you about in the introduction lmao.

@@sailor5853 yes, it gives one a sense of likelihood, it does not prove anything

He’s been disproven countless times he just ignores and deletes

He’s a world class idiot who’s wrong mathematically and logically

Well he's Russian.

​@@2608aliceand you are being racist

He's trolling at this point

​@@2608alicewhat the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Typical russian

Bots and 8-18 year olds with access to internet.

Both probably

Kramnik's fight against cheaters is doomed - it's easier for them to declare him crazy - rather than lose his advantage. There are many of them - he is one. Cheaters will win - and the next time a cheater beats you, blame yourself because you didn’t support the fight

​@@RECHOOSENONEYou don't win a fight by driving your allies away and making a fool out of yourself.

Do you do string theory?

I remember having a physics lab graded. Statistically speaking, I proved NOTHING!

Bro I'm literally a 10th grader and I knew he was wrong on many points lol😂

@@Manu-sk7qx Stay in school! Otherwise you might turn out as Kramnik minus the world championship 😂

@@Manu-sk7qx I have a degree in statistics and I know that Kramnik's statements contain no mathematical errors. Here's the thing: the answers (let's say, probabilities) that you get depend on how you do the math, and Kramnik has not said how he has done the math, so it is simply not possible to debunk what Kramnik has said. The polish mathematician (that Hikaru cites) did the math in a bad way; it seems like he assumed that Kramnik had used bad methods. However, I do think that Kramnik should say how he has done his math because he is simply wasting our time otherwise.

​@@mysteryman480(9/10)^45 =x/(no. Of games hikaru played/45) 0.0087=x/(35000/45) 778* 0.0087=x ~7 such streaks are possible. Am I right?

I've taken 0.9 because I'm considering average probability of him winning against 2900 as 90%

Yes, if you are sure that 46 is the longest streak, but you are not. Without real data you can explain everything, like "among 8*10**9 people on Earth there could be a streak 1000+ winning games in a row, so its not a big surprise that Hikaru did it" or something like that.

it wasn't even a 45 win streak either. I'm pretty sure It was a 16 game win streak, a draw, and then another winstreak. it might've been a different number, but the point stands that it was separated 😭

@@perfumefemur Yeah it was 45.5 out of 46, or if you include the two games at either end of that 45.5 out of 48 which would be like 3-4x as common

@@zym6687 exactly 😭 everything kramnik has presented has been skewed so terribly that it doesn't make sense

When I am in a good shape I can easily win 10-15 games in a row against opponents of my own level. And this is just me, around 2000 in blitz, so my play is very rough and unstable. And this is Hikaru, supergrandmaster playing against weaker opponents. This is just ridiculous.

There also hasn't been enough discussion about the fact that it wasn't even 45 games in a row. It was broken up by a draw in the middle. (AND that's also ignoring that he lost games shortly before and shortly after this cherry picked series of games.)

The crisis is called "Oh no I'm no longer relevant"

Yeah. This isn’t Kobe playing Lebron and then Giannis and KD one on one. This is Kobe playing G Leaguers. Like yeah. He should beat them. A lot.

That would be funny

Give them a topology exam 😂

But he believes so, so his ego is 2200 elo higher than his data knowledge B)

true

​@@krismg_21LMFAO

bro thought he's Fischer with an IQ score of 150+ 😂

@@krismg_21exactly

It's much better than taking a drink every time he says "So". I like watching Hikaru, So much so that my wife refers to him as the "So" guy when I am watching him.

Yes. He is aging and not as sharp as the younger generation that had computers to study with. I also like the clip where he lost a 5min Armageddon match and stormed off.

"Just like a mate-in-three is obvious to you, this case is obvious to me." Thank you for your insight. I've been saying for days that people like you are simply *overqualified* to rebut this. The data Kramnik provided is simply insufficient at best. When he have real data I will appreciate your insight if you want to provide it.

@@sailor5853 I mean, technically the real data is available. Hikaru has at least a few years worth of online games that can be used as data. If you mean "real" in the sense that the data shows probability of Hikaru cheating is much higher than not, then that is indeed still missing.

All the counter-argument, apart from "wow, how is it possible if he's on camera" are more or less like "the expectancy of such streak is about 1%, so this could happend several times in a lifetime" but nobody checked the actual lifetime data and the p-value in one particular day having streak 45.5/46 is indeed not that high (like 1% roughly assessed by someone), so its shitty arguments vs shitty counterarguments.

@@FKing85but the burden of proof is on Kramnik. People don’t need to do the work if he hasn’t provided sufficient argument to prove that Hikaru is cheating

​@@andrewkandasamy20 years worth of online games in fact

I'm just a stupid patzer but to me the numbers say that Nakamura is pretty good at chess.

Most human interaction involves projection.

Toilet gate.

The 960 results are the most impressive because it shows that he has intuitive positional understanding. So in fact Hikaru being great at online blitz or bullet shouldn’t shock anyone. Some players have great opening memorization and gain an advantage that way but Hikaru isn’t that type of player. So accusing him of cheating in this manner makes no sense.

And does 15 things at once. Kramnik is logically and statistically wrong

This is Kramnik desperately trying to squeeze out an extra 15 minutes of fame. How the mighty have fallen!

I think the fight between Kramnik and cheater is doomed - because essentially no one needs it. Well, there are cheaters and to hell with them.

​@@RECHOOSENONEit is doomed because he dug a grave to his own reputation as a fighter against cheating, but there are many who will be carrying the torch and learn from his mistakes, and especially the blunder that is his downfall. It will be an eternal arms race between cheaters and anti-cheat, technology improves, statistics refines, the arms race continues

in fact, perhaps the algorithm was different. It is enough to announce that you have come up with an algorithm for identifying cheaters. Then the cheaters themselves (not the smartest ones), thinking that they can be reached, will begin to fuss (you may not know who they are, the main thing is to convince them that you know. Then they will give themselves away with their reaction) - they say, what the hell is this and start making refuting videos. they say all theories are nonsense and their author is paranoid. An honest person has no need to make excuses - he will say well done, the thief should be in prison, the cheater should be in the bathhouse. And shooting 10 refuting videos will start to make you think - why are you making such a fuss?

fr

Fr, he’s wrong in so many ways

Never an inspiration lol. Probably the most boring wcc. U rewatch Tal's games for brilliant tactics and sacrifices, u rewatch capablanca's game for an absolutely monstrous defence. Every single wcc had something special to show except of course kramnik. He doesn't have such charm which made him almost forgotten fast in chess community. His only spot lights r complaining about getting beaten by nowadays gms. Makes sense he started this sh*t.

Just another world champion going insane

​@@Tomlinskyevery single gm has some fantastic games. nothing to do with quality. he doesn't have a uniqueness which every other wcc has. that's my point

Not to mention playing since he was five years old, becoming super gm, playing in countless tournaments, that are OTB, only to cheat on some online chess. Not to mention, he played agaisnt kramnik as well over the board several thousand times. Such a stupid bitter piece of filth, kramnik is. Trying to ruin someone's career because he is not as good as he used to be.

Actually, a very high ELO with no long win streaks is one of the strongest signs of cheating for this very reason - people are suspicious of streaks. A good cheater would mix in some long win streaks and some "bad days" where they lose a fair bit, too.

But if he knows that cheaters loose sometimes, wouldn't he have this kind of long win streaks to convince people that he is not cheating ? I don't think Hikaru cheated, i am just saying this to point that what you say doesn't work.

@@adrien8572 An ideal cheater would win and lose in the same pattern as a better player. Most people think this means no long streaks, and so most cheaters try to always even out their wins and losses if they're trying to avoid detection. A really good cheater does the opposite - they have hot and cold streaks in a similar pattern to a great player - but this is not the norm. Most cheaters don't even really think about getting caught, they just win a bunch and it's obvious they're cheating. Anyone can tell. The next level of cheater will toss in the occasional loss, but usually at a pretty regular consistency. This is less obvious, but someone with all the match data and a decent understanding of randomness can see it. The top level of cheater will win and lose irregularly. I would guess that almost no one cheats in this way. The point of cheating at all is to get easy wins; someone interested in easy wins is likely not going to go to the trouble of turning their chess engine on and off erratically, probably following a random number generator drawing from the appropriate distribution _(I would initially guess Poisson but I'm not positive)._ Cheaters just aren't going to do that much work. This would be very hard to detect if all you had was summary statistics rather than, say, streamed content or OTB results, which is what Hikaru has.

Exactly!! He was accused of cheating himself. What a bitch

Kramnik: "he's cheating! Speaking from experience..."

remember when hikaru accused hans of cheating? I hope you were thinking the same thing back then

youre dumb if you think there are no motivations for Hikaru to cheat. Lots of streaming money in it. Plenty of world-best people cheat in all areas of sports.

@@bundabunda7774 Magnus accused Hans of cheating. Hikaru covered the story and gave his opinion based on the data available. Nobody came out and said they had any proof of Hans cheating.

@@bundabunda7774 There was also a hell of a lot of suspicious behaviour related to Hans as well. Not being able to explain his own moves and game for instance. That made me suspect him way more than the moves of the game itself. Also his goal in that tournament at the time was basically one thing: beat Magnus. All his prep work went into that. And then you can not only even explain like two of the most crucial moves of that game, but give completely absurd answers that make no sense at all? Yea....not buying it. He was beheaving like a child who got caught stealing candy.

Natty chess LMAO

It is indeed just that, laughable and disrespectful. Kramnik is just categorically flushing every single response from a range of professionals in the field of statistics down the toilet.

not to mention kramnik hasn't even posted his stats...

His secret data is: heavily biased data because of the obvious cherry picking and using methods he has no knowledge about. I just know he's going to get smoked when he presents his so called "proof". If he ever does...

i think it has more to do with how he may be analyzing the same data and arriving at his conclusion rather than the raw data itself. one could look at raw data and say whatever they like; it will even be presented as likely but the actual methodology of analysis may be incorrect. in math you gotta show that your assumptions are correct and your methodology is correct every step of the way such that your result cannot be proved false given the initial data and assumptions. however i am sure his analysis of Hikaru's games is gonna be wrong or else he'd have presented them to begin with, as confidently as math guys do at times.

He's doubling down after a lose. Classic behaviour. If he was serious he would not be bitching about it and would actually bring real evidence.

It's like when criminals start talking about secret documents they have that will TOTALLY clear their names, but they never show them.

or tilt factor making them play worse cuz theyre not focused, etc

Nah he want half Fischer. He is as crazy as Fischer but nowhere near as good in chess as Fischer was. So he basically just went full twitter.

Yes, they are similar - one wanted to diversify chess and remove the cramming of the first 20 moves in the opening, the second decided to fight cheaters. And both were anathematized - by Western audiences

@@RECHOOSENONE I don't think that inventing 960 was why Fischer got all of the stick that he did though...

@@RECHOOSENONE fischer was insane for reasons not related to chess but it affected his chess indirectly .

@@RECHOOSENONE Kramnik didn't decide to fight cheaters, he decided to accuse people of cheating with bad or no data. If you're going to accuse someone of cheating in a fairly public sphere, you need evidence and good data. He's a narcissist most likely and has convinced himself that these players are cheating and maybe some of them are, but he's too caught up in his ego to differentiate truth and false-positives.

Kramnik is the epitome of hardcore narcissism

STONKS!

the new CCCP does not need proof from Snitching people, they just need a juicy story.

I do have a PhD in applied mathematics, but I agree, Vladimir, with all due respect, has very naive ideas about statistics and data science, and you do not have to be qualified and worked in the field to see this. In fact, there is even a possible fallacy: somebody with deep expertise in the field can get stuff wrong, or even post pseudoscience knowingly. When people take the expert's expertise at face value, they run into danger of being misled. Why is mathematics great? Because it is that plain: whoever comes up with a correct argument, no matter whether he is expert or noob, he is simply right. Yes, the experts will check their results, their opinion does matter, but in the end wrong is wrong.

I’m just a dumb MSc in financial economics but old Vlad is making me feel hella smart 😂

It's time a Math KZfaq look into this and milk this situation for views.

​@@u.v.s.5583could you mathematically explain how kramnik's conclusion is flawed? im just interested in the maths

it's not about him being so good. it's just math.

​@@user-ey1jg5no5f it's funny when actual mathematicians present their math Kramnik dismisses it 🤷

Maybe its because patternrecognition is so important in chess. Then if you have radom accurances of seemingly patterns the chessbrain misinteroretes that. At least thats the excuse I have for Fischer and the fact that Fisher seemed to be on far on the autismspectrum. (Not excusing his antisemitism! Just trying to explain it.)

And his logic sucks

And attitude

Fr bro

Fr facts bro facts

😂😂😂the last one is my personal favourite

well the thing is hans has cheated in the past, and has had incredibly suspicious OTB performances... hikaru is just playing

Jospem is a cheater.

We can assume that his blitz Elo is lower than it should be, but we would also have to consider that his opponent's Elos were not quite right. In any case people are misusing "win percent" when applied to chess since there are expected win, loss, and tie values, and you cannot add ½ of tie to the win column. A 350 advantage means a 79% chance of winning, not 88% as you may find in some Elo calculators. But yes, Hikaru's Elo is probably undervalued, and that would be the only good explanation for such an incredible streak If we use an Elo difference of 350 then is would be extremely rare to achieve a 45.5/46 within a short period, and somewhat rare within 2,600 games (about 10%). But IF the actual Hikaru-to-opponent Elo difference was 450 and not 350, the 10% becomes a >99%, so there is extreme sensitivity to starting parameters. But still we still cannot make any assumptions, and call it what Hikaru called such anomalies: sus.

I honestly envy his ability to take it all and respond to it at all seriously. I imagine it's not impressive to most people, but it is to me as I know I couldn't do it. And it's especially impressive knowing that Hikaru used to be one of the most childish chess players in his past.

Getting to the money round is hard enough, why only cheat then? You're good enough to get there. And for a 200pt performance boost that means they'd be cheating more than a single move when their natural performance levels are so high. Cheating throughout the last game will easily get you caught because a single standout game gets more heavily scrutinized and literally is an outlier which is a giveaway. To claim titled Tuesday players only cheat in the last round is the antithesis of how you get away with cheating, which is to keep it so light but consistent that your performance never stands out and looks like average play

Chess made Fischer go insane. Kramnik made chess go insane.

Cause everyone knows it’s false and that hikaru clearly haven’t cheated

Its truely quality content

It is because of the country

They had state sponsored and organised cheating since the cold war, so it makes sense that they have the tendency to believe everyone else is cheating as well.

The difference was that Supi was very likely to be cheating. His move times were mismatched with how he played normally and he had an almost perfect engine correlation, playing beyond his previously established capabilities. Kramnik's claims are performance based, not really critiquing the quality of Hikaru's moves.

@@tactixianchess1409 But there is no evidence that Supi was cheating (to say it's likely is mean). Man, he (Supi) is an excellent player, trying to take credit for a few games is not cool. This is a dark path. Even Magnus Carlsen loses and Hikaru would be no different. They are chess monsters, but everyone has a bad day.

@@pauloandredemorais4194 There's quite a bit of evidence, but not conclusive enough for Hikaru to directly accuse him. He could have been more classy about how he handled the situations. Just looking at the play from a moderate masters ~2300 OTB perspective, I don't blame Hikaru for finding his play suspicious (especially when Hikaru had a perfect win record across ~30 games against him before he randomly and off stream beat him 3 games in a row)

@@tactixianchess1409 Again don't prove anything, have you seen the video of the two? (Naka and Supi), Supi didn't believe in certain actions and Naka himself sometimes said that he had lost something, that he wasn't well. But my main point is, there is an excess of pointing out suspicions to players. It's yet another observation that this creates problems... Here in Brazil, among the GMs, it was something baseless.

This 100% fits in the husband wife meme.. "hes probably.."

No way, hikaru definitely cheated

​@@spacejuice6941yeah right? He wins so many times😂

@gaurav5866, it's difficult now, he has gone too far, either he is gone completely insane or he secretly has some hidden agenda

Yeah, he’s mathematically, statistically wrong and he’s logically wrong and he’s just ridiculous

Genuinely pisses me off tbh. I have a bachelor's in math and Kramnik is laughably wrong. But now this cocky wannabe genius tries to come in here and tell people off with PHDs not just in math, but specifically Statistics? Nah, get the f out, absolute egoistical swine. I don't normally even watch hikaru, just doing so for this debacle currently. But I'm sure I'm just a Hikaru Stan, according to Kramnik.

Yes it seems that he’s a kid trapped in an adult body, if you look at his arguments

Yes, not only possible but probable.