Imagine being called a cheater by a 500 elo statistician. SMH
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Exactly
@user-ht3ks4se5o9 ай бұрын
All of you are hit hard where it needed to be by Kiramink! You've become Hikaru doing support for him. Cheaters!!! 😂
@StheSharknl9 ай бұрын
500 elo is being generous, he’s hanging his standard deviation within 3 moves 😂
@zhiqiangwang1219 ай бұрын
We are all just wrong, he reached this conclusion using his revolutionary, protected under copyright and trademark secrets, Kramnik model, all we know about it is that it uses cherrypicked data and questionable assumptions. However it is demonstrated by AI and bias that under the most important assumption of ‘me being right” the Kramnik test on the kramnik model is the undisputed best there is as proven by simulations
@plasmatr9 ай бұрын
@@StheSharknl He probably hasn't even learnt about the Normal Distribution, let alone all the other distribution types and how to use them
@beneking49629 ай бұрын
Paranoia is real in chess. Thinking someone cheats make you play worse, so you lose and confirm your theory in your head.
@idk470709 ай бұрын
do you study psychology? because I think you are absolutly right
@aggsar44119 ай бұрын
Bro is having his late Bobby Fischer arc. He's losing it.
@ritikhans3729 ай бұрын
nothing pyschological in it just a simple lead @@idk47070
@pushingyourownagenda98899 ай бұрын
@@idk47070 you dont need to study psychology .....its basic knowledge
@cruelworld19029 ай бұрын
Not really it's mostly envy or insecurity, something malicious rather than some just cause of hunting the cheaters. I had dealt people like this when I was playing competitive a different game. These people are so bitter
@icebox53789 ай бұрын
Hikaru is exactly the guy we needed Kramnik to target, the content is pure gold because Hikaru is a legend
@finejupiter51549 ай бұрын
hikaru literally accused niemann of cheating in a classical game with 0 proof too
@Shujinanime9 ай бұрын
@@finejupiter5154 ig the difference is that niemann has been caught cheating multiple times online and hikaru was only talking on what multiple top 10 gms were saying about niemann at the time
@imightbeaperson6309 ай бұрын
@@finejupiter5154That was Magnus, not Hikaru. And that was a bit different, *lots* of GMs were jumping on the bandwagon.
@aqeelraja47509 ай бұрын
@@finejupiter5154not just Hikaru, but Magnus and a bunch of other Gm’s who mentioned it behind the scenes, that and the fact that Neiman admitted to cheating online, which is more proof of cheating then kramnik had against Hikaru lol
@BarnabyG9 ай бұрын
@@finejupiter5154 please know what your talking about before humiliating yourself by commenting this
@moistman31109 ай бұрын
I legitimately can't imagine someone less likely to cheat than Hikaru. Guy plays all his games on stream, and walks chat through all of his thoughts and decision making in real time. How you could see that and think he's cheating baffles me.
@wusulus9 ай бұрын
Hikaru is a time traveler who has an engine that tells him the best moves and premoves even before the game begins so Hikaru can just premove all moves on beforehand.
@I_love_anime219 ай бұрын
@@wusulus yes. So kramnik is right I think.
@renishisrael95208 ай бұрын
@moistman3110 one guy is there - Magnus
@aj3n5568 ай бұрын
What kind of music does Nakamura prefer?
@dpwolk9 ай бұрын
Cheating would just slow Hikaru down. I get the feeling he'd be bored, annoyed and frustrated going through all the nonsense involved in cheating. I find his response to Kramnik to be truly refreshing and even friendly. Wonderful.
@joesmith19469 ай бұрын
That's a really great point. He doesn't need to cheat, and it would be a lot less fun than actually playing for real.
@chriskehoe13949 ай бұрын
But it might give him a buzz.....
@gump10059 ай бұрын
@@chriskehoe1394 tickle his backside? It sounds unappealing and unhygenic.
@88Cardey9 ай бұрын
This is it, the speed in which he plays rarely allows any time for cheating, he's been playing for so long it really is quite laughable. He explains his thought process constantly... It just doesn't add up.
@calebmhorvath9 ай бұрын
it would also LITERALLY slow him down, hikaru plays way too fast to be cheating, not like anyone actually thinks he is though
@c2c0019 ай бұрын
I think someone should remind Kramnik that he once had an 87 undefeated streak that went on for two years and that was against proper GMs and OTB. Or, that Carlsen had a 125 undefeated streak OTB. Both records are far less likely, statistically, in comparison to Hikaru beating random IMs in blitz, online. In fact, regardless of the amount of games played I'm pretty sure Kramnik's 2 year streak of not losing a game is still the longest period in human history.
@user-ht3ks4se5o9 ай бұрын
There was a reason that he was a world champion when the engines didnt have that much power and creativity ... So, it is very less likely that Kiramink may be accused of anything. But, Hikaru is by all means should be inspected as the modern format perfectly encourages players to use some kind of help ... Hikaru's is the one who was involved in false allegations of cheating on Hana. Therefore, it makes sense that Hikaru be checked thoroughly! Why nobody is actually working on the games played by Hikaru suggesting a highly likely use of some assistance as Kiramink is doing it? He was a world champion for a reason instead of this low IQ player .... I keep forgetting his name, oh yes Hikaru!
@garibaldi6329 ай бұрын
@@user-ht3ks4se5oWhat are you talking about, Kramnik became the champion when computers easily beat people, and, by the way, he was accused of cheating against Topalov.
@finalwords29309 ай бұрын
@user-ht3ks4se5o Hans has a record of cheating and was accused by the current #1 player in the world which sparked a serious effort to start taking fair play seriously. Hikaru is top 3 (only other player in the world currently that can give Magnus a run for his money, edit: in blitz) and does NOT have a record of cheating. Statistics pointed the finger at Hans while statistics are clearing Hikaru. There is no logic from Kramnik, just jealously and bitterness. Enjoy your copium.
@Phurngirathaana9 ай бұрын
No way Capablanca was unbeaten for a much longer duration Far fewer games though
@c2c0019 ай бұрын
@@Phurngirathaana The problem with that is that Lasker had a four year period where he was champion but didn't play a single game... do we consider that a 4 year streak then? No. Either way Kramnik's record is very impressive and I'm sure there was at least one person at the time who assumed Kramnik is cheating. That's just how it goes.
@SmigGames9 ай бұрын
How nice of Kramnik to give Hikaru so much content. Good job
@MistaOppritunity9 ай бұрын
Thinking back to Magnus' comment about how Kramnik thinks he knows everything and will never admit that he's wrong, this behavior makes sense. I'm not exactly a psychologist, but it seems pretty clear to me that Kramnik is a narcissist.
@user-lv7ph7hs7l9 ай бұрын
Yeah that's a strong possibility.
@north_style9 ай бұрын
Exactly what I think. Narcissist people never accept their faults. They'd rather convince themselves that they are right. So it wouldn't matter to Kramnik even if a group of worldwide respectful statisticians tell him he is wrong.
@user-kc4ky6kf3q6 ай бұрын
Крамник это ученик Каспарова и Карпов. Карлсен и Накамура это ученики Карпова Каспарова Крамника! Им до никогда с ними не сравниться!
@patrickcummings68319 ай бұрын
Kramnick's argument against these real mathematicians appears to amount to "Nuh uh!"
@paulgoogol26529 ай бұрын
Good argument.
@Luca-yb4sh9 ай бұрын
"If you only know at least the basics of analyzing data". Bro didn't even go to highschool and I'm supposed to take his data analysis seriously? I hate to say it but "shut up and play chess".
@bishoptrappers47959 ай бұрын
Don’t worry guys I will pay for Kramnik’s therapy
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
He’s going to kill himself before you get a chance. Man is physiologically crazy
@koenvanderrijt52449 ай бұрын
😂😂 dude..
@YehNahYehAyy9 ай бұрын
After the mathematicians show how many sessions he is going to need you might need to rethink this one 😂
@wrathful81789 ай бұрын
I rather you pay for Hans
@Striker7759 ай бұрын
It seems former WCs tend to claim people cheat at chess, and Kramnik is a late bloomer
@user-fe9dj6wq8e9 ай бұрын
The single strongest way to show you're not cheating is to explain the thought process while playing. That's exactly what Hikaru does hours and hours on end live.
@hanazonosan66109 ай бұрын
Oh yeah? Now play one hour long chess game while cheating and explain the thought process, do that shit in blitz could you?
@marquisekelly54319 ай бұрын
@@hanazonosan6610I think you’re confused. Let’s take it easy and read what they said again
@elxionchess18339 ай бұрын
@@hanazonosan6610are u slow?
@ronakkhurana17839 ай бұрын
Kramnkik is the kind of person who would even accuse stockfish of cheating because it plays so well😂
@marcjeffreysardin10959 ай бұрын
lmao
@schizoframia48749 ай бұрын
Well stock fish is using an engine during the games.
@buckelupyt9 ай бұрын
@@schizoframia4874Thats the joke
@schizoframia48749 ай бұрын
@@buckelupyt I added to the joke
@oath_xiii9 ай бұрын
@@schizoframia4874you explained the joke causing it to be ruined
@mattygiggity9 ай бұрын
What's funny is, you don't need a PhD in maths to understand this. Kramnik is clearly upset and bitter with his ad hominem responses.
@zuzusuperfly83639 ай бұрын
Yeah it's like undergraduate level combinatorics, and a motivated high school student can learn to do it pretty swiftly. It's not deep stuff.
@nishantanand34279 ай бұрын
well said, exactly , this is funniest part, every one is busy saying hay i am not a mathematician but this my point, what bull shit, this basic probability, basic math , and kramnik is bull shitting , it is damn clear...
@sailor58539 ай бұрын
@@zuzusuperfly8363The mistakes Kramnik are making are the mistakes the probability books warn you about in the introduction lmao.
@seinundzeiten9 ай бұрын
@@sailor5853 yes, it gives one a sense of likelihood, it does not prove anything
@blizyon30fps869 ай бұрын
He’s been disproven countless times he just ignores and deletes
@ia34239 ай бұрын
Kramnik is so delusional it's actually insane. He should really seek some help. Throwing accusations left and right without providing anything, being very disrespectful and speaking in a way as if he knows everything and everyone else is stupid, including professional mathematicians.
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
He’s a world class idiot who’s wrong mathematically and logically
@2608alice9 ай бұрын
Well he's Russian.
@timurkansler1119 ай бұрын
@@2608aliceand you are being racist
@roydondsa9 ай бұрын
He's trolling at this point
@Azkadaz9 ай бұрын
@@2608alicewhat the fuck is that supposed to mean?
@JJ-kl7eq9 ай бұрын
I’m a college educated interestician, and there’s a 100% chance that interesting commentary about cheating will be discussed every day through out this week.
@MrFackoffline9 ай бұрын
For me, Kramnik drew the line when he said about Hikaru's bots. It shows that the man rather will imagine some sort of bots than will face other's opinions. The man simply doesn't want to try to understand that he's not right or there's a mistake made by him.
@mappingtheshit9 ай бұрын
Typical russian
@waluigi438 ай бұрын
Bots and 8-18 year olds with access to internet.
@jondebeer68639 ай бұрын
I'm a physicist and I remember grading the first lab course for first years. All the experiments are designed to teach the students some basic statistics. Coming out of highschool, students have to learn a new way of thinking (why would you teach kids statistics, right?) and it often leads to some hilarious things. In my office we had this wall of shame for the dumbest shit they came up with, mostly because doing the grunt work for professors is mind-numbing and you have to entertain yourself somehow. Kramnik would be on that wall, no doubt. I expected a chess player of his caliber to be a little bit smarter. Because even though statistics can be counterintuitive, especially when talking about large numbers (our brain isn't wired to deal with that. Politicians use that fact a lot), the experts explaining the situation in Hikaru's favor (and in simple, highschool level terms) should have made sense for someone like him. At this point, he's either mentally ill or stirring the pot for attention.
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Both probably
@RECHOOSENONE9 ай бұрын
Kramnik's fight against cheaters is doomed - it's easier for them to declare him crazy - rather than lose his advantage. There are many of them - he is one. Cheaters will win - and the next time a cheater beats you, blame yourself because you didn’t support the fight
@HiFisch949 ай бұрын
@@RECHOOSENONEYou don't win a fight by driving your allies away and making a fool out of yourself.
@deltalima67039 ай бұрын
Do you do string theory?
@starfire00079 ай бұрын
I remember having a physics lab graded. Statistically speaking, I proved NOTHING!
@spacey_sooty9 ай бұрын
I love hearing Kramnik talking about maths it helps with my imposter syndrome
@Manu-sk7qx9 ай бұрын
Bro I'm literally a 10th grader and I knew he was wrong on many points lol😂
@StheSharknl9 ай бұрын
@@Manu-sk7qx Stay in school! Otherwise you might turn out as Kramnik minus the world championship 😂
@mysteryman4809 ай бұрын
@@Manu-sk7qx I have a degree in statistics and I know that Kramnik's statements contain no mathematical errors. Here's the thing: the answers (let's say, probabilities) that you get depend on how you do the math, and Kramnik has not said how he has done the math, so it is simply not possible to debunk what Kramnik has said. The polish mathematician (that Hikaru cites) did the math in a bad way; it seems like he assumed that Kramnik had used bad methods. However, I do think that Kramnik should say how he has done his math because he is simply wasting our time otherwise.
@Manu-sk7qx9 ай бұрын
@@mysteryman480(9/10)^45 =x/(no. Of games hikaru played/45) 0.0087=x/(35000/45) 778* 0.0087=x ~7 such streaks are possible. Am I right?
@Manu-sk7qx9 ай бұрын
I've taken 0.9 because I'm considering average probability of him winning against 2900 as 90%
@ryand83389 ай бұрын
For those who don’t understand the math, here is a simple explanation of what happened. Kramnik thinks winning 45 of 46 games is unlikely, and it is if you take it out of context. What he doesn’t account for is that when you play tens of thousands of games AND win most of your games anyway, the chance of a streak like this happening actually becomes very likely.
@FKing859 ай бұрын
Yes, if you are sure that 46 is the longest streak, but you are not. Without real data you can explain everything, like "among 8*10**9 people on Earth there could be a streak 1000+ winning games in a row, so its not a big surprise that Hikaru did it" or something like that.
@perfumefemur9 ай бұрын
it wasn't even a 45 win streak either. I'm pretty sure It was a 16 game win streak, a draw, and then another winstreak. it might've been a different number, but the point stands that it was separated 😭
@zym66879 ай бұрын
@@perfumefemur Yeah it was 45.5 out of 46, or if you include the two games at either end of that 45.5 out of 48 which would be like 3-4x as common
@perfumefemur9 ай бұрын
@@zym6687 exactly 😭 everything kramnik has presented has been skewed so terribly that it doesn't make sense
@user-ct1cx5gj9u9 ай бұрын
When I am in a good shape I can easily win 10-15 games in a row against opponents of my own level. And this is just me, around 2000 in blitz, so my play is very rough and unstable. And this is Hikaru, supergrandmaster playing against weaker opponents. This is just ridiculous.
@dqdr9 ай бұрын
There’s not been remotely enough discussion about how it wasn’t 40+ different opponents but 4/5 opponents, all of whom Hikaru has a vast RL rating advantage on and in a format where he is legitimately one of the GOATs. Absolutely bizarre by Kramnik really. I genuinely hope he’s ok as it’s the sort of behaviour that suggests he’s having a bit of a crisis in his life.
@wavemode699 ай бұрын
There also hasn't been enough discussion about the fact that it wasn't even 45 games in a row. It was broken up by a draw in the middle. (AND that's also ignoring that he lost games shortly before and shortly after this cherry picked series of games.)
@pugsnhogz9 ай бұрын
The crisis is called "Oh no I'm no longer relevant"
@calebblount8408 ай бұрын
Yeah. This isn’t Kobe playing Lebron and then Giannis and KD one on one. This is Kobe playing G Leaguers. Like yeah. He should beat them. A lot.
@MaharshiRay9 ай бұрын
As a math person I would like to suggest having a Math face off between Hikaru and Kramnik. Winner takes all 🤣
@schizoframia48749 ай бұрын
That would be funny
@aaa-vy6qo9 ай бұрын
Give them a topology exam 😂
@robertberg16099 ай бұрын
I guess Kramnik is not a "genius that happens to play chess"
@krismg_219 ай бұрын
But he believes so, so his ego is 2200 elo higher than his data knowledge B)
@luisyfonsy7119 ай бұрын
true
@JayveeQuijano-mw8cp9 ай бұрын
@@krismg_21LMFAO
@timber_hearthian84999 ай бұрын
bro thought he's Fischer with an IQ score of 150+ 😂
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
@@krismg_21exactly
@andreingramakadjscrewrip73729 ай бұрын
Take a shot everytime Hikaru says "statisticians and mathematicians"
@brentbox92129 ай бұрын
It's much better than taking a drink every time he says "So". I like watching Hikaru, So much so that my wife refers to him as the "So" guy when I am watching him.
@johnnyhartley43309 ай бұрын
Kramnik's paranoia, bitterness and anger fuelled by his own diminishing chess abilities speaks for itself.
@ElectrocutionHazard9 ай бұрын
Yes. He is aging and not as sharp as the younger generation that had computers to study with. I also like the clip where he lost a 5min Armageddon match and stormed off.
@davidb64779 ай бұрын
I have a Masters of Statistics from Texas A&M. Just like a mate-in-three is obvious to you, this case is obvious to me. It would be more unlikely that there wouldn't be these outlying streaks in thousands of games against weaker opponents. The math has been shown by many very competent people already, but just wanted to reiterate how clear it is from the perspective of someone who knows how probability works. I've lost so much respect for Kramnik as I hear him dismiss logic just so he can pretend to be a Savior figure for the sport. He would be embarrassed if his ego would allow it.
@sailor58539 ай бұрын
"Just like a mate-in-three is obvious to you, this case is obvious to me." Thank you for your insight. I've been saying for days that people like you are simply *overqualified* to rebut this. The data Kramnik provided is simply insufficient at best. When he have real data I will appreciate your insight if you want to provide it.
@andrewkandasamy9 ай бұрын
@@sailor5853 I mean, technically the real data is available. Hikaru has at least a few years worth of online games that can be used as data. If you mean "real" in the sense that the data shows probability of Hikaru cheating is much higher than not, then that is indeed still missing.
@FKing859 ай бұрын
All the counter-argument, apart from "wow, how is it possible if he's on camera" are more or less like "the expectancy of such streak is about 1%, so this could happend several times in a lifetime" but nobody checked the actual lifetime data and the p-value in one particular day having streak 45.5/46 is indeed not that high (like 1% roughly assessed by someone), so its shitty arguments vs shitty counterarguments.
@namphamquang11209 ай бұрын
@@FKing85but the burden of proof is on Kramnik. People don’t need to do the work if he hasn’t provided sufficient argument to prove that Hikaru is cheating
@Shadowboost9 ай бұрын
@@andrewkandasamy20 years worth of online games in fact
@martinpaddle9 ай бұрын
I happen to be a math professor... but not that this matters, you don't need to be an expert in statistics to make sense of these numbers. Any undergraduate in a quantitative subject could do that and these numbers really don't prove anything.
@paulgoogol26529 ай бұрын
I'm just a stupid patzer but to me the numbers say that Nakamura is pretty good at chess.
@sKyTzi1119 ай бұрын
I never suspected Kramnik of cheating, but now that he's accusing everyone else, it seems like he's playing a grandmaster level of projection.
@droyal18able9 ай бұрын
Most human interaction involves projection.
@ElectrocutionHazard9 ай бұрын
Toilet gate.
@williamjohn6409 ай бұрын
I think people are also missing the fact that Hikaru is one of the best in the world in formats where it would be almost impossible to cheat: otb chess 960, 1-0 bullet, and puzzle rush. So it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that he has amazing blitz results.
@davinozen9 ай бұрын
The 960 results are the most impressive because it shows that he has intuitive positional understanding. So in fact Hikaru being great at online blitz or bullet shouldn’t shock anyone. Some players have great opening memorization and gain an advantage that way but Hikaru isn’t that type of player. So accusing him of cheating in this manner makes no sense.
@helloworldx109 ай бұрын
Its sad to see the man who dethroned Kasparov accusing the one gm who explains his each and every move of cheating.
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
And does 15 things at once. Kramnik is logically and statistically wrong
@gladosadoree9 ай бұрын
This is Kramnik desperately trying to squeeze out an extra 15 minutes of fame. How the mighty have fallen!
@RECHOOSENONE9 ай бұрын
I think the fight between Kramnik and cheater is doomed - because essentially no one needs it. Well, there are cheaters and to hell with them.
@charactooling64709 ай бұрын
@@RECHOOSENONEit is doomed because he dug a grave to his own reputation as a fighter against cheating, but there are many who will be carrying the torch and learn from his mistakes, and especially the blunder that is his downfall. It will be an eternal arms race between cheaters and anti-cheat, technology improves, statistics refines, the arms race continues
@RECHOOSENONE9 ай бұрын
in fact, perhaps the algorithm was different. It is enough to announce that you have come up with an algorithm for identifying cheaters. Then the cheaters themselves (not the smartest ones), thinking that they can be reached, will begin to fuss (you may not know who they are, the main thing is to convince them that you know. Then they will give themselves away with their reaction) - they say, what the hell is this and start making refuting videos. they say all theories are nonsense and their author is paranoid. An honest person has no need to make excuses - he will say well done, the thief should be in prison, the cheater should be in the bathhouse. And shooting 10 refuting videos will start to make you think - why are you making such a fuss?
@Tomlinsky9 ай бұрын
What a disappointment Kramnik has turned out to be. Once an inspiration.
@JayveeQuijano-mw8cp9 ай бұрын
fr
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Fr, he’s wrong in so many ways
@Nxghtcry9 ай бұрын
Never an inspiration lol. Probably the most boring wcc. U rewatch Tal's games for brilliant tactics and sacrifices, u rewatch capablanca's game for an absolutely monstrous defence. Every single wcc had something special to show except of course kramnik. He doesn't have such charm which made him almost forgotten fast in chess community. His only spot lights r complaining about getting beaten by nowadays gms. Makes sense he started this sh*t.
@ngc51959 ай бұрын
Just another world champion going insane
@Nxghtcry9 ай бұрын
@@Tomlinskyevery single gm has some fantastic games. nothing to do with quality. he doesn't have a uniqueness which every other wcc has. that's my point
@kmdsubs31489 ай бұрын
Kramnik out here gas lighting like he's going for ELO 😆
@TheLyingLeft9 ай бұрын
Hikaru might not be a statistician or a data scientist, but at least he can draw a "classic right triangle" 📐 mid-game while interacting with chat. Ultimately, Kramnik is jealous of that and he's trying to find his own mathematical niche in chess. 🤣
@RenaxTM919 ай бұрын
Its absolutely braindead to make out a long win streak to "prove" that someone is cheating. Every even half decent cheater knows you have to loose every once in a while to not arouse suspicion. If Hikaru was actually cheating there's no way he would be dumb enough to have this long win streaks.
@cruelworld19029 ай бұрын
Not to mention playing since he was five years old, becoming super gm, playing in countless tournaments, that are OTB, only to cheat on some online chess. Not to mention, he played agaisnt kramnik as well over the board several thousand times. Such a stupid bitter piece of filth, kramnik is. Trying to ruin someone's career because he is not as good as he used to be.
@jgray27189 ай бұрын
Actually, a very high ELO with no long win streaks is one of the strongest signs of cheating for this very reason - people are suspicious of streaks. A good cheater would mix in some long win streaks and some "bad days" where they lose a fair bit, too.
@adrien85729 ай бұрын
But if he knows that cheaters loose sometimes, wouldn't he have this kind of long win streaks to convince people that he is not cheating ? I don't think Hikaru cheated, i am just saying this to point that what you say doesn't work.
@jgray27189 ай бұрын
@@adrien8572 An ideal cheater would win and lose in the same pattern as a better player. Most people think this means no long streaks, and so most cheaters try to always even out their wins and losses if they're trying to avoid detection. A really good cheater does the opposite - they have hot and cold streaks in a similar pattern to a great player - but this is not the norm. Most cheaters don't even really think about getting caught, they just win a bunch and it's obvious they're cheating. Anyone can tell. The next level of cheater will toss in the occasional loss, but usually at a pretty regular consistency. This is less obvious, but someone with all the match data and a decent understanding of randomness can see it. The top level of cheater will win and lose irregularly. I would guess that almost no one cheats in this way. The point of cheating at all is to get easy wins; someone interested in easy wins is likely not going to go to the trouble of turning their chess engine on and off erratically, probably following a random number generator drawing from the appropriate distribution _(I would initially guess Poisson but I'm not positive)._ Cheaters just aren't going to do that much work. This would be very hard to detect if all you had was summary statistics rather than, say, streamed content or OTB results, which is what Hikaru has.
@patience18359 ай бұрын
Kramnik wants people of the new chess generation to forget about the toiletgate scandal , Kramnik was the original ultra-suspicious chess , being accused of using computers.
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Exactly!! He was accused of cheating himself. What a bitch
@pugsnhogz9 ай бұрын
Kramnik: "he's cheating! Speaking from experience..."
@the_guy71159 ай бұрын
"Unfortunately for Kramnik," a legend said.
@zuzusuperfly83639 ай бұрын
I've seen the clip of Hikaru playing puzzle rush. Why would someone at his level cheat? I find this whole situation hilarious beyond belief. His demonstrated natty chess ability is insane, what's even the point of cheating!? There's so much data surrounding Hikaru's actual skill level. Claiming he's cheating is similar to claiming the world is flat. It makes sense only if you ignore absolutely everything.
@bundabunda77749 ай бұрын
remember when hikaru accused hans of cheating? I hope you were thinking the same thing back then
@lukeno41439 ай бұрын
youre dumb if you think there are no motivations for Hikaru to cheat. Lots of streaming money in it. Plenty of world-best people cheat in all areas of sports.
@zuzusuperfly83639 ай бұрын
@@bundabunda7774 Magnus accused Hans of cheating. Hikaru covered the story and gave his opinion based on the data available. Nobody came out and said they had any proof of Hans cheating.
@dutchraider29 ай бұрын
@@bundabunda7774 There was also a hell of a lot of suspicious behaviour related to Hans as well. Not being able to explain his own moves and game for instance. That made me suspect him way more than the moves of the game itself. Also his goal in that tournament at the time was basically one thing: beat Magnus. All his prep work went into that. And then you can not only even explain like two of the most crucial moves of that game, but give completely absurd answers that make no sense at all? Yea....not buying it. He was beheaving like a child who got caught stealing candy.
@ysaackfranco28259 ай бұрын
Natty chess LMAO
@kheireddineattala12819 ай бұрын
Can we talk about how stupid it is for someone to say "the stats my opponents put are laughable" without debunking them? The example Hikaru gave previous video (about a series of many coin tosses being heads being LIKELY over a sufficient amount of tries) is literally what I thought (I am a computer engineer with some stat bg btw)
@crystallizer73089 ай бұрын
It is indeed just that, laughable and disrespectful. Kramnik is just categorically flushing every single response from a range of professionals in the field of statistics down the toilet.
@swordyshield9 ай бұрын
not to mention kramnik hasn't even posted his stats...
@styleisaweapon9 ай бұрын
as far as kramnik providing data thats actually futile because everyone else already has the data too and the math guys are telling him hes wrong. Its not possible for him to have secret data.
@ia34239 ай бұрын
His secret data is: heavily biased data because of the obvious cherry picking and using methods he has no knowledge about. I just know he's going to get smoked when he presents his so called "proof". If he ever does...
@srinivasantirumala40339 ай бұрын
i think it has more to do with how he may be analyzing the same data and arriving at his conclusion rather than the raw data itself. one could look at raw data and say whatever they like; it will even be presented as likely but the actual methodology of analysis may be incorrect. in math you gotta show that your assumptions are correct and your methodology is correct every step of the way such that your result cannot be proved false given the initial data and assumptions. however i am sure his analysis of Hikaru's games is gonna be wrong or else he'd have presented them to begin with, as confidently as math guys do at times.
@sailor58539 ай бұрын
He's doubling down after a lose. Classic behaviour. If he was serious he would not be bitching about it and would actually bring real evidence.
@imightbebiased93119 ай бұрын
It's like when criminals start talking about secret documents they have that will TOTALLY clear their names, but they never show them.
@firmitas689 ай бұрын
Hikaru just gave a master class on how to be a class act. I do love that Kramnick has deleted innumerable contributions by statisticians stating that his allegations are false, but has not posted one statistician corroborating is baseless calumny.
@futurefox1289 ай бұрын
Also what statistics don't tell you in chess is that there are players who just hard-counter other players via there opening-choice etc., even if the rating gap isn't that big or non-existent. This can lead to huge winning streaks, especially online where people don't have time to analyze their mistakes with an engine as the games keep going back to back (which, ironically, would make THEM the cheater).
@FizzleIsGaming9 ай бұрын
or tilt factor making them play worse cuz theyre not focused, etc
@dsassignment50099 ай бұрын
Kramnik has become a toddler that throws temper tantrums once in a while. Best to ignore him and move on with our lives.
@calm.aware.9 ай бұрын
Kramnik went full Fischer. I feel sorry for him. He completely lost his mind.
@godfreyofbouillon9669 ай бұрын
Nah he want half Fischer. He is as crazy as Fischer but nowhere near as good in chess as Fischer was. So he basically just went full twitter.
@RECHOOSENONE9 ай бұрын
Yes, they are similar - one wanted to diversify chess and remove the cramming of the first 20 moves in the opening, the second decided to fight cheaters. And both were anathematized - by Western audiences
@hairychris4449 ай бұрын
@@RECHOOSENONE I don't think that inventing 960 was why Fischer got all of the stick that he did though...
@yangwenli6689 ай бұрын
@@RECHOOSENONE fischer was insane for reasons not related to chess but it affected his chess indirectly .
@teeemm94569 ай бұрын
@@RECHOOSENONE Kramnik didn't decide to fight cheaters, he decided to accuse people of cheating with bad or no data. If you're going to accuse someone of cheating in a fairly public sphere, you need evidence and good data. He's a narcissist most likely and has convinced himself that these players are cheating and maybe some of them are, but he's too caught up in his ego to differentiate truth and false-positives.
Kramnik is discovering social media and internet. xD This is not 1990's where only few can watch what he is saying, and the securities are very limited.
@Lsir9 ай бұрын
Kramnik is Twitter incarnate. Amazing.
@ABearOnYouTube9 ай бұрын
Kramnik is getting dangerously close to getting a good ol’ taste of Truth, Justice, and American Attorneys.
I'm PhD in CS (doing math for the most part), and I can tell you that only a basic knowledge of statistics is required to see flaws in Kramnik's reasoning. Maybe you are a cheater, but his argument does not prove it at all.
@xw69689 ай бұрын
the new CCCP does not need proof from Snitching people, they just need a juicy story.
@u.v.s.55839 ай бұрын
I do have a PhD in applied mathematics, but I agree, Vladimir, with all due respect, has very naive ideas about statistics and data science, and you do not have to be qualified and worked in the field to see this. In fact, there is even a possible fallacy: somebody with deep expertise in the field can get stuff wrong, or even post pseudoscience knowingly. When people take the expert's expertise at face value, they run into danger of being misled. Why is mathematics great? Because it is that plain: whoever comes up with a correct argument, no matter whether he is expert or noob, he is simply right. Yes, the experts will check their results, their opinion does matter, but in the end wrong is wrong.
@StheSharknl9 ай бұрын
I’m just a dumb MSc in financial economics but old Vlad is making me feel hella smart 😂
@sailor58539 ай бұрын
It's time a Math KZfaq look into this and milk this situation for views.
@machrx59 ай бұрын
@@u.v.s.5583could you mathematically explain how kramnik's conclusion is flawed? im just interested in the maths
@seannikolaisanchez74289 ай бұрын
When bro is too good and quick in chess, getting accused of cheating proves that he can't be beat easily
@user-ey1jg5no5f9 ай бұрын
it's not about him being so good. it's just math.
@Raspy9789 ай бұрын
@@user-ey1jg5no5f it's funny when actual mathematicians present their math Kramnik dismisses it 🤷
@itsxela96179 ай бұрын
Kramnik is really asking for a Niemann lawsuit lol
@nielssvendsen20289 ай бұрын
It's so good you stand up in these times of fake news and false accusations, Thumps up for you Hikaru
@1stlullaby4849 ай бұрын
Last time i was this early kramnik was still sane
@shirah-9 ай бұрын
Looks like its true that chess players go insane when they get older
@Monika77ful9 ай бұрын
Maybe its because patternrecognition is so important in chess. Then if you have radom accurances of seemingly patterns the chessbrain misinteroretes that. At least thats the excuse I have for Fischer and the fact that Fisher seemed to be on far on the autismspectrum. (Not excusing his antisemitism! Just trying to explain it.)
@PtylerBeats9 ай бұрын
Hikaru is absolutely MILKING this accusation for content lol and I’m all for it! Keep ‘em coming lol
@edddo43149 ай бұрын
Hikaru, maybe it's possible for you to arrange a real mathematician to explain those things in details in a video with you? That would be huge.
@MARKOzekoZECEVIC9 ай бұрын
Kramnik seems to be embarrassing himself with his statistics
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
And his logic sucks
@2608alice9 ай бұрын
And attitude
@lendamusic9 ай бұрын
Hikaru is the GOAT of online chess Who won the world bullet this year???? Hikaru Who farms on online 2900s (fide 2400-2500s)? Hikaru Who kicks everyones ass? Hikaru Who has been playing without pressure? Hikaru Who is a millionaire? Hikaru Who is jealous of everything that is happening? Kramnik
@bruhyou1979 ай бұрын
Fr bro
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Fr facts bro facts
@1stlullaby4849 ай бұрын
😂😂😂the last one is my personal favourite
@jccusell9 ай бұрын
People in the comments dissing Hikaru's ability to detect humor, meanwhile my boy is hammering home zingers like it's Christmas already.
@baptistegtu12458 ай бұрын
He does exactly what you did to Hans, blaming/mocking someone to cheat without any proof.
@SeanMaddenBMX5 ай бұрын
well the thing is hans has cheated in the past, and has had incredibly suspicious OTB performances... hikaru is just playing
@pavelgonchar9 ай бұрын
If I had a dollar for every time he said 'at the end of the day,' I could retire by, well, the end of the day :D
@milesreynolds49439 ай бұрын
Good on you for defending Jospem especially... Jose clearly looks up to you and its nice to see
@fenderbender20969 ай бұрын
Jospem is a cheater.
@MorganBlem9 ай бұрын
Another pretty interesting consideration which few people seem to have spoken about yet is that at Hikaru's rating there are very few people on the site with a rating high enough to give him much Elo after a win, so the skill gap between a 3300 and a 2900 is probably a lot bigger than between, say, a 1400 and an 1800. That means some of the win probability stats would likely be less accurate at that rating. Consider an example where stockfish had a chess account. It could probably only climb to around 3600 before gaining more Elo becomes almost impossible. Using our brains we know there's no chance any human would beat it, but using Elo to predict it would lead to a false prediction that Hikaru stands a fair chance against stockfish. Hopefully this indicates why Elo calculations might need to be taken with a grain of salt in some contexts! (Source, since Kramnik seems to think you need to be an expert to understand basic probability: I'm an SE with a publication in data science)
@scottekoontz9 ай бұрын
We can assume that his blitz Elo is lower than it should be, but we would also have to consider that his opponent's Elos were not quite right. In any case people are misusing "win percent" when applied to chess since there are expected win, loss, and tie values, and you cannot add ½ of tie to the win column. A 350 advantage means a 79% chance of winning, not 88% as you may find in some Elo calculators. But yes, Hikaru's Elo is probably undervalued, and that would be the only good explanation for such an incredible streak If we use an Elo difference of 350 then is would be extremely rare to achieve a 45.5/46 within a short period, and somewhat rare within 2,600 games (about 10%). But IF the actual Hikaru-to-opponent Elo difference was 450 and not 350, the 10% becomes a >99%, so there is extreme sensitivity to starting parameters. But still we still cannot make any assumptions, and call it what Hikaru called such anomalies: sus.
@cameronwilliams8899 ай бұрын
If you aim for the king, you best not miss. - Machiavelli
@watasiblah9 ай бұрын
this is really hard. i studies Kramnik’s chess games and he was literally unstoppable at his best. i also followed Hikaru for more than a decade so obviously I am one of Hikaru’s biggest fan…I genuinely hope something good come out of this.
@christophercunningham9639 ай бұрын
So much respect for you!!! Kramnik is out of his mind to go after you, probably the most naturally gifted speed chess player of his generation.
@Sidionian8 ай бұрын
There comes a point in this discussion where you have to stop laughing at Kramnik and just admit he's trolling at this point.
@mrwho9959 ай бұрын
This video gives him far more respect than he deserves. Credit to you for being so gracious about it all. But he has completely humiliated himself; his legacy is irreperably tarnished, and regardless of how great of a chess player he was, for me now all he is is a crazy old man yelling at clouds.
@dumoto9 ай бұрын
Like after witnessing your crushing games and after seeing your calm response to him, my respect for you got very very high
@walkingphilosopher9 ай бұрын
Please sue the guy for defamation.
@nohalfmeasures69 ай бұрын
Kramnik has internalized that Hikaru is definitely cheating in non-money events lol.
@SonicVibeGroup9 ай бұрын
When they compare a skilled player who has played professional chess all his life with a stockfish, they think you are cheating, but skill is skill 😎
@greenpony28179 ай бұрын
Very good point. Actually his last report about players who regulary overperform in the last round of Titled Tuseday was very serious. But now it is completely overshadowed by this Hikarugate nonsense. Vlad wont be taken serously anymore.
@styleisaweapon9 ай бұрын
I learned that you can file a hundred million dollar lawsuit against everyone involved and get a settlement and hush order from it
@tshepangmoletsane18669 ай бұрын
"He does even have a highschool", ROASTED!😂😂😂😂😂
@gwbn9 ай бұрын
Kramnik: explain why you are looking at the ceiling if you aren’t cheating
@felixmartin58819 ай бұрын
Hikary is very lucid in his defence. Respect.
@edmis908 ай бұрын
I honestly envy his ability to take it all and respond to it at all seriously. I imagine it's not impressive to most people, but it is to me as I know I couldn't do it. And it's especially impressive knowing that Hikaru used to be one of the most childish chess players in his past.
@catomatic29 ай бұрын
I think that the point that Kramnik doubling down here is making him lose credibility in other issues he presents is a very important one. For example, on Levitov Chess he presented an interesting table of how much the performance of players changes in the last round of titled Tuesday compared to rounds 7-10 depending if they compete for the prize money or not. I think they analysed last 200 titled Tuesdays, and if somebody consistently gains 200 performance points in the last round compared to rounds 7-10 when they have a chance to win actual money is kind of suspicious. And that is an interesting topic to discuss further, but nobody will listen to you if you're going to not admit that you were mistaken in the Hikaru case where the data was cherry-picked, and will instead say that all counter arguments are by frauds and fans
@Khedran8 ай бұрын
Getting to the money round is hard enough, why only cheat then? You're good enough to get there. And for a 200pt performance boost that means they'd be cheating more than a single move when their natural performance levels are so high. Cheating throughout the last game will easily get you caught because a single standout game gets more heavily scrutinized and literally is an outlier which is a giveaway. To claim titled Tuesday players only cheat in the last round is the antithesis of how you get away with cheating, which is to keep it so light but consistent that your performance never stands out and looks like average play
@jayfrancelf9 ай бұрын
Hikaru literally explains every move and the follow up move and his opponents next moves lol
@parvdhiman19599 ай бұрын
chess made bobby fisher go insane , and kramnik is making other chess players go insane😔😔
@bigolboomerbelly43489 ай бұрын
Chess made Fischer go insane. Kramnik made chess go insane.
@cyin9749 ай бұрын
Hikaru is really milking dry all this allegation for content even though it's directed at him 😂
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Cause everyone knows it’s false and that hikaru clearly haven’t cheated
@koenvanderrijt52449 ай бұрын
Its truely quality content
@01991289 ай бұрын
Kramnik woke up one morning and thought “how could i ruin my reputation”
@MainUkraine9 ай бұрын
Kramnik's writing style is so cringe to read with his random smiley faces when he is being sarcastic.
@nemeczek679 ай бұрын
In the early 90s I watched a chess show on British TV. Once they invited Karpov and instead of talking about something interesting, he was constantly bitching about his matches against Kasparov. All the conspiracy theories, being wronged by Campomanes, he covered it all. Suspicion and distrust must be an integral part of Soviet mentality.
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
It is because of the country
@arthurdent53579 ай бұрын
They had state sponsored and organised cheating since the cold war, so it makes sense that they have the tendency to believe everyone else is cheating as well.
@raphaelgilles80499 ай бұрын
Dear Hikaru : You're presenting honestly an equilibrated and logic point of view. Bravo !
@Rogue23_9 ай бұрын
This oddly feels reminiscent of the incident that happened a year ago
@gaijinflyer9 ай бұрын
Even the consistent fallacy of treating each game as 'independent' trials. Most of the 'statistical proofs' on either side assume independence at the core. Hikaru alluded to it in that he could tell he'd have no problem with some opponents, regardless of the similar rating differences.
@glenmenas94249 ай бұрын
Hikaru, your response has been measured, logical and level-headed. Subtly pointing out that you are both experts in the field of Chess and should be professional enough to recognize and admit that you are both not experts in mathematics or statistics is a classy way to put it 👍
@jesuscruz8369 ай бұрын
Keep being LOUD and hitting back 👊
@121nahibataunga9 ай бұрын
I want Hikaru and Kranmik a irl 1 vs 1 in chess and enjoy that moment 😂
@tangalexander55619 ай бұрын
I would like to see Hikaru's video including other gms' opinions such as carlsen, caruana, firoujza, nepo😘
@pauloandredemorais41949 ай бұрын
I already mentioned in another video, these accusations can cause people inconvenience. As I said before, Hikaru himself once insinuated that Paulo Supi was cheating on him. It caused trouble for Supi. In this case (Hikaru) at least he didn't have his account taken down. I hope these things make these guys sort themselves out, Hikaru is a great player, I really like his style.
@tactixianchess14099 ай бұрын
The difference was that Supi was very likely to be cheating. His move times were mismatched with how he played normally and he had an almost perfect engine correlation, playing beyond his previously established capabilities. Kramnik's claims are performance based, not really critiquing the quality of Hikaru's moves.
@pauloandredemorais41949 ай бұрын
@@tactixianchess1409 But there is no evidence that Supi was cheating (to say it's likely is mean). Man, he (Supi) is an excellent player, trying to take credit for a few games is not cool. This is a dark path. Even Magnus Carlsen loses and Hikaru would be no different. They are chess monsters, but everyone has a bad day.
@tactixianchess14099 ай бұрын
@@pauloandredemorais4194 There's quite a bit of evidence, but not conclusive enough for Hikaru to directly accuse him. He could have been more classy about how he handled the situations. Just looking at the play from a moderate masters ~2300 OTB perspective, I don't blame Hikaru for finding his play suspicious (especially when Hikaru had a perfect win record across ~30 games against him before he randomly and off stream beat him 3 games in a row)
@pauloandredemorais41949 ай бұрын
@@tactixianchess1409 Again don't prove anything, have you seen the video of the two? (Naka and Supi), Supi didn't believe in certain actions and Naka himself sometimes said that he had lost something, that he wasn't well. But my main point is, there is an excess of pointing out suspicions to players. It's yet another observation that this creates problems... Here in Brazil, among the GMs, it was something baseless.
@MrOnosa9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you've addressed this fully, and I fully agree with no longer shining a light on this moving forward.
@igormoraru95149 ай бұрын
Plot twist: Kramnik gets hired by some secret service and solves some nasty national security problem using game theory and math
@BardiaElahidoost9 ай бұрын
❤Great response! While most people might react with anger and shouting in this situation, your ability to stay composed and rational, showcases your mental strength, a quality consistently demonstrated in critical moments during your chess games as well.
@sullystpatrick9 ай бұрын
Im a simple man- I see “Hikaru’s cheating” content, I click
@koenvanderrijt52449 ай бұрын
This 100% fits in the husband wife meme.. "hes probably.."
@dhanarputra5559 ай бұрын
It seems like karma has caught Kramnik in 4K UHD. Back in the days, his world championship battle against Topalov, Kramnik made too many sus activities like taking shite for as long as 1 hour and he did it far too often at the critical point in the game. He denied the cheating accusation but for some chess enthusiast, he's still viewed as cheater.
@sailor58539 ай бұрын
Hikaru and Kramnik should each bring a data scientist and have both fight this in a public match.
@gaurav58669 ай бұрын
Kramnik should just eat up his pride and apologize to Hikaru!
@spacejuice69419 ай бұрын
No way, hikaru definitely cheated
@Manu-sk7qx9 ай бұрын
@@spacejuice6941yeah right? He wins so many times😂
@mayurshinde70499 ай бұрын
@gaurav5866, it's difficult now, he has gone too far, either he is gone completely insane or he secretly has some hidden agenda
@peanut01879 ай бұрын
I'm trying to keep up with the news...vlad said hikaru is cheating and it's mathematically impossible to win 45 games in a row, mathematicians came out and said yes its possible and now vlad is saying, nah yall wrong?😂
@Blinkers2007GameDev9 ай бұрын
Yeah, he’s mathematically, statistically wrong and he’s logically wrong and he’s just ridiculous
@DaTimmeh9 ай бұрын
Genuinely pisses me off tbh. I have a bachelor's in math and Kramnik is laughably wrong. But now this cocky wannabe genius tries to come in here and tell people off with PHDs not just in math, but specifically Statistics? Nah, get the f out, absolute egoistical swine. I don't normally even watch hikaru, just doing so for this debacle currently. But I'm sure I'm just a Hikaru Stan, according to Kramnik.
@Dune449 ай бұрын
Yes it seems that he’s a kid trapped in an adult body, if you look at his arguments