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Well said! The problem I've always had with the "high floor low ceiling" take from others is that, while it is true, Genshin unfortunately doesn't really have any content harder than floor 12. Because of that, when players are looking for guides/help to reach that DPS threshhold -- a team that can (relatively) easily clear Floor 12, Hyperbloom, is often times very good at doing that because of how high the floor is and how flexible it is in the sense of easy rotations and having 3-4 unique and useful elements in your team. You did a good job pointing out the lack of needing it for already seasoned players who have many well invested DPSes, as well as the sort of "high end" of hyperbloom/quickbloom teams with Alhaitham/Furina or others. I think a lot of the "overrating" is mostly for first time clearing abyss, where the EM investment needed usually is a lot easier than the CRIT team alternatives. 👍

While Genshin has no 'best team' because it comes down to what enemies you are fighting. Hyperbloom is the easiest to build, most consistent and overall strong team archtype in the game. You can argue its overhyped but calling it bad is outright delusional.

So basically high floor, low ceiling, as I expected. For me, as someone who came back recently (well, a few months now, so not that recent), and missed months of farming as well as new characters, I appreciate Hyperbloom for giving me a fast track to 36 star Abyss again, so now I can feel safe farming for other type of teams while still having a safety net when I really need to for 36 star Abyss.

I think the most important part is the flexibility of rotations and the wide range of content that is clearable. Some characters you have to set up all the supports first then go to your main dps and then you only have a small window where you’re actually doing the main dps job. The other half of it is that you dont really need an anemo to group or debuff for this team which is nice.

I swear your edits are getting better and better every video thank you for caring about video quality and posting really fast!

I did 36 star with full EM electro with hyperbloom set and unleveled dendro res reduction set on someone and hydro with unleveled anything. The main benefit of hyperbloom is the ridiculously low gear requirement compared to a standard damage carry like geo/physical or melt/vaporize

What I love about hyperbloom is that I ALWAYS can count on my electro character being the one to trigger the damage unlike vape or bloom etc.

The 4 month long stun lock reaches its dramatic climax

Getting your Abyss 36 starred the fastest way is the reason for hyperbloom imo, I got my first that way, OP reaction

“Just play hyperbloom” is symptomatic of a bigger problem in genshin which is that most 5 star units that they’re releasing just aren’t that strong. You’d need to pull raiden a whopping FOUR times to get c3 to realistically have a chance of her carry team outperforming her hyperbloom teams in many situations and then you still need other expensive pieces like Engulfing and Kazuha with Freedom Sworn. I did abyss just last night and I hit a little over 700k with C6 Eula a C3 Furina and a C6 Mika. According to you Kuki clears that with iron sting and FLOP. That’s just sad

I like your point of view cause it's very grounded as usual, honestly. Notwithstanding the fact that it usually coincides with my own :D. From Italy as well, for the record. Keep up the good work.

my favorite hyper(quick)bloom team nowadays is Nahida Fischl Furina Kuki since I like Nahida carry and they're all pretty good invested. I do like to play the double hydro variant when I want to turn off my brain though. Also, the plant missiles are very satisfying.

I think a lot of the people that hate on Hyperbloom are simply salty/jaded at the fact that it requires so much less effort, and time, to match their god-rolled 4liner Emblem/Shim/CW pieces. So they make up lies about it not being "enough", or it being "weak/overrated". The reality is, if you want to clear the hardest content available to us (Spiral F.12), you can use a dendro team and achieve that with ease. It's been proven time and time again, and it's probably triggering to them, lol. It also reinforces the reality that this game as a whole, is nowhere near as difficult as some "hardcore" players imagine/want it to be.

I think Fontaine kind of put hyperbloom in its place. It's now a balanced, but cheap to make team that is mainly a newbie crutch to clear things without tens of thousands of resin spent. But with the crazy powercreep we've been seeing in Fontaine for regular amplifying reaction teams and just raw multipliers it's now easier than ever to beat hyperbloom in terms of damage. Maybe it was even hyperbloom and it's variants that forced MHY to introduce powercreep in order to insure future sales. Why get Neuvillette if Ayato does the same thing but better in a hyperbloom team? How can they design the hydro archon to not be a Nilou slave etc? I think they've done a good job rebalancing the game after Sumeru, and dendro reactions still have a balanced spot in the meta, especially when you can "passively" add it to a team like quickbloom Alhaitham etc.

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Honestly, I have nothing to add, you summarised it pretty concisely, good video!

Its not that hard. It's a catch up reaction. A good idea by Hoyo, If you just start you got no chance to get the same level of artifact that people that farmed for years, and the abyss its not as easy as 1.0. So with hyperbloom you got a good, easy to play team thats also easy to gear (something that Im really thankfull for since I started last year) Nahida+Kuki+Xq+whatever carried me on the abyss for months, then I added Alhaitam and the team never failed to complete any side of the abyss. About gameplay, I like it, but some people dont, its like everything else.

Hyperbloom is for casual players, new players, returning players, or challenge teams (4 star only, healer only, etc). It’s not for speed runners, and I think that’s where the misconception appears. Hyperbloom as a team archetype is not designed to output the maximum potential of a single character, but rather act as a way to buff honestly subpar units and make them useable again for players who enjoy them. And honestly, for the average player, that’s good enough. Not everyone is a whale or long term player or has the time to play every day to grind artifacts the way most of us in the comments of this video do lol bc I’m guessing if you’re watching TGS, you’re probably hyper-invested and interested in min-maxing or at the very least you want to get more bang for your buck with your account. Hyperbloom is probably not the ultimate team archetype you’re interested in, and that’s ok, but it’s no reason to trash it just bc some people personally don’t like it. It’s a good team archetype, and it brings up the damage floor for people who are struggling to build teams.

As always incredible content my man!!!

Well explained. Nice Vid. As someone who has hyper invested Ayaka, Raiden & Nuvi I approve.

As a newly hyperbloom using player i totaly agree . It helps to reach the damage threshold pretty easily but can't complete with hyperinvested teams .

@TheGenshinScientist what is that hexagonal thing at 4:32 affected by dendro? is that an anemo-dendro swirl?

Great Video end the stunlock on Hyperbloom. I disagree on some points like the whole idea of “quickbloom” imo being a worse term compared to double electro/dendro Hyperbloom because people think c2 Yelan or C6 Xingqui make those teams worse cause they apply to much pyro which is just false imo but I guess that doesn’t really detract from the video overall. I also think no 5 star unit was needed even before Hyperbloom, that was not an issue regarding hyperbloom but more of just the doomposting culture of Genshin community honestly.

I think people underestimate how important it is that hyperbloom feels like it delivers on the promise of Genshin's combat system. It feels like it's driven by elemental reactions instead of by swiping your credit card for a 5 star weapon.

Exactly, Hyperbloom problem is if you only consider teams having no potential for higher then average artifact, weapon, or constellation investment. Its very good but I've had Fischl (Physchl) comps which against certain enemies cleared faster its just a matter of investing in what you want and learning the rotations, playing as well as you can, as well as knowing limitations. Hyperbloom is still great for getting new players off the ground, as is burgeon and (namely Nilou) bloom, fun at times in general but whole community went a bit too nutty about it even before we had options like Neuvillette and 2024 era Xiao and then also got sick of themselves constantly nagging each other about it. People like investing in their characters and if it involves hyperbloom then great, but ideally its something you want to use, or use for one side to focus on the others investment.

Awesome analysis! I don't use hyperbloom much now either - my two main teams are Neuv/Furina & Navia. Hyperbloom gives you a higher dmg floor faster, but the dmg ceiling is higher on high investment teams. I like it that way. New players struggle with leveling TOO FAST since they can access everything - hyperbloom is a great way to build a solid team to cover most elemental bosses without wasting resources whilst you work towards stronger teams that take ages to build I'm only just now finishing my Wanderer and Cyno teams after a year lol

banger video tgs (im 5 seconds in but i liked it anyway)

......yeah I feel like the hyperbloom hate just came from some players who just got tired of certain kinds of people insisting that their mains aren't worth investing in, because hyperbloom is cheaper to build while doing comparable or better damage ig Personally I take hyperbloom as just another strong team comp option that players can consider if they like it enough. I play that double hydro HB in your vid every now and then because it's usually the strongest single-target team in my roster, and I happen to have those characters, and they did figure in my first abyss 36* clear. Though these days I just bring out that team as a last-resort option when floor 12 gets too stinky to beat with my other teams (like the wenut in the current lineup lol). The truth is that there's just other teams that involve characters I like more that I also enjoy playing more. Simple as that.

Can you do a comparison of QB/HB teams. I'm curious about how much you gain when you switch Kuki with Raiden, and that team vs C2 Raiden hyper. Also Nahida C2 benefit in QB vs HB teams. Another thing I've been wondering about recently is Crit Nahida on Golden Troupe, and your electro on Deepwood. How severe is to lower Kuki's EM and whats the breakpoint at which Nahida skill damage mitigates that loss?

Once you pass a certain investment you just dont need it since your main carries match or supass hyperbloom already (like trading the xq in the double hydro core for an invested alhaitham with his signature) Though Quickbloom Haitham is still a more than great 2nd team option since it lets you run all the crazy supports (minus one of the 3 xingqius) first half while he takes care of the 2nd without breaking much of a sweat My account surpassed the barrier where i can cover my 2nd half soo well i can play stuff like vape plunge furina/critzuha first half with haitham 2nd and still get 36*

Honestly haven't touched any dendro cause am too busy farming emblem domain. Been playing from 2.5 still no shime goblet with double crit stats and emblem electro goblet with Double crit.

What do u think about ayato hb? I use beidou on the flex spot

You said in one video that Furina makes the best teams for Eula, can we get an updated guide? Nobody has made a guide in a long time and I bet there are a lot of people waiting for one, thanks!

I use raiden, yelan, nahida and zongli & kuki, xingqui, dendro MC and sucrose or qiqi. Can clear floor 9 & 10, but have difficulty in clearing 11 & 12 due to artifacts

Now I'm curious if at some level of investment Al Haitham quicken/spread is better than the quickbloom variant with Furina

I would say the introduction of dendro in abyss was probably one of if not the biggest changes , the fact that you can output enough dmg meanwhile keeping supports that are the core of most teams is truly amazing. I do understand that it uses good supports especially hydro ones but honestly for such results and it doesn’t relay on certain characters but rather a structure , considering it doesn’t rly care for crit or sets just em on the electro character. Overall it’s a good team for both endgame players and new players and allows for more room when it comes to abyss team and considering most enemies aren’t dendro res unlike most elements due to dendro itself being new.

I'm new to hyperbloom teams and still confused because people are saying it's the person you trigger the reaction with that needs high elemental mastery...so if I've built Kuki with high EM, but i'm using Childe as my on field attacker, am I not "triggering" it with Childe instead of Kuki?

really nice, keep it up!

Why try to do hu tao cancels or double swirl setups on 200 ping when I can roll my face across the keyboard and clear everything with haha funny seeds?

I liked butterfers vid where he said hb is not the end all be all until he mentioned that it isnt the best team at lower investment and the solution is to 'just pull more chars 4 head'. Theres no team thats gonna do more dmg at low investment and low cons than a c2 xq and c2 kuki or even c0 with any dendro chars like dmc and collei at c6 and c0.

8:28 same thing goes for just slapping xiangling on a team. (just slapping xiangling on anything was pretty much the hyperbloom before dendro came out)

As a player that has recently been building his Tighnari alongside a hyperbloom team i can say for sure that hyperbloom made the abyss way easier with much less investment, but i can't see that much increase in the future for that team, unlike tighnari + fischl

I agree quite a lot with what you said xD. I’ve never been someone who needed hyperbloom since I have strong characters already, but I’m still interested in building some teams related to it for more team flexibility. I’m not gonna bench my Neuvillette, Hu Tao or Ayaka for hyperbloom, but I think more ways to achieve similar results is always a positive.

A lot of things will depend if Genshin generalises the difficulty increase they did in 3.7 abyss, where I found that hyperbloom ceiling was not enough

Great video thank you for the information, sir

if it's good enough to get me 36 stars idc to pull all these different characters to make teams because I don't have the resources being a newer player to build team all. I haven't pulled since Furina banner, so I'll just be dropping everything on Neuv bannner and not even looking at kazuha

For me, any team which doesn't have cc, hyperbloom compensates really well due to the auto targeting. Otherwise, is not that essential. I've been having a great time with Neuvilette + Furina + Baizhu + Raiden (EM)

This video was made possible thanks to the contribution of Nate's account. Thank you Nate for showing us the truth, we will never forget you.

Great vid but I think one point that's missing in this vid and a lot of discussion about hyperbloom in general is that Kuki carrys hyperbloom hard. Yeah other characters like Raiden can be played in hyperbloom too but a C0 4* character (who only gets better with cons) that can be your off field healer, electro applier and your 4th actually competent damage dealer is huge.

Will you ever make a channel about Star Rail?😊

Running a hyperbloom variant where kuki deals the majority of the damage makes it have a lower ceiling. With the points in the video of running xq and yelan makes it counter productive. But when hyperbloom teams are constructed where the hydro and dendro app is just enough for 2 seeds per kuki pulse. Having 1 unit that can receive and utilize buffs while all 4 units is outputting equal damage. Example one is the ayato hyperbloom variant. You start off with ayato burst and nahida e which will already start generating seeds for you. And once kuki e is proc you will be getting hyperbloom seeds which scales even with aoe as ayato have a wide aoe hydro app that doesnt need grouping. The 4th unit can be a buffer like furina, benny, kazuha, venti or another subdps like fischl or yae. For context. While everyone is clowning ayato. With his kit not needing ER i have him at 110% ER and still get my burst up no problems where as most dpses need 130% or more. Thats 6 substats that can still go to crit if you at late game and is min maxing. With this build ayato does around 11-13k per slash unbuffed. You also dont need dedicated healers as kuki is already your dps and healer at the same time. Another variant is again the quickbloom ones ill mention the alhaitham one as it has lower investment needed than the cyno one.

I've always seen hyperbloom as a sub dps reaction and was it ever really the main source of damage on those teams. For me I run quickbloom with Yae/Nahida/Kokomi and Kuki never seen the hyperbloom as it's main dps out put even when I ran it with DMC.the off field soup was always it's main source of damage with hyperbloom cores as extra. But it's strong and continuing to get stronger every time I invest into the teams characters weather it be artifacts or weapons I haven't even come close to it's ceiling. While a hyper carry are great with time and investment and fun seeing that big one shot number I can't calculate the quickbloom damage but I know which clears things faster and it's the hyperbloom group

I stopped playing before Ayato's first banner (yes, dendro wasn't a thing back then). I'm actively playing again and hyperbloom helped me 36ing Abyss again.

On the topic of telling a hyper invested Neuvillette main to play hyperbloom. I was doing the current abyss on friend's account and he had a nice C2R1 Raiden hypercarry team with C6 Sara and whatnot so i figured I'd use it on the boss side. Ended up running after Wenut for an hour before getting 3 stars in its chamber, cringing hard. Two weeks later, same abyss, i had a cheeky idea to grab his level 50 Dragon's Bane with whatever EM pieces i could find to make that Raiden an E bot. Ended up facerolling over Wenut with my eyes closed. Poor Raiden mains.

*OPPA HB*

Still havn't play any bloom-related team comp even once since Dendro (outside of event). My account vertical investment is too high.

Also paradise lost artefact does not exist unless u have wanderer

Does anyone regret pulling multiple constellations? I find the game to be so easy, I wish there was a boss rush mode or something more than Spiral Abyss.

i can attest to the point that hyperbloom growing old. i started the game during nahida's banner, she was my first 5 star, a patch later, raiden reran and pulled her for hyperbloom. with barbara, nahida, and raiden, I cleared all of the game's content just so quickly (I cleared abyss after just 3 months of playing) but I got bored of it so quickly. yeah I can do a lot of damage, but the point of a video game is to have fun, and why play if I don't have fun. my favorite kind now I'm a xiao main and hypercarry is one of my favorite playstyles

Where can I see the most popular teams? I'm new to the game sorry.

I think most people kinda hate hyperbloom is because it made previously well grinded artifacts for their characters basically pointless when a reaction that only needs elemental mastery does the same or even greater damage. Also the comparison of characters based on how good they are in hyperbloom or how would their damage stack against hyperbloom. These all lead to the mentality of why pull/build a character when hyperbloom is better.

It literally wrecks any floor 12 chamber with ease, even those annoying worm type bosses. Easy to build also only need to farm emblem domain and deepwood domain. Only problem you may face is the hydro user xingqui may be required on other side.

The little touches in the editing are so impactful. Great stuff

Personally the reason I play my skill bot team with Yae, Nahida, Furina and Baizhu is because although hyperbloom is a significant part of the damage the quicken damage is significant as well

I have been playing Nahida/Kuki/Xingqiu/Yelan team for almost a year now. Can't get tired of it, and it is my second team to beat the Wenut in the abyss. Too much hydro? No, it provides hydro "on demand" for that worm and Nahida's and Kuki's skills provide indefinite dendro and electro. I am currently building some other teams, too (Wanderer with Furina and Diluc plunge).

The Butterfer video has more dislikes than likes, I wonder why... I wonder why I could complete some abyss with hyperbloom Noelle, with dendro traveler. And there has been people who did it with lvl 20 Freminet with hyperbloom core. The only thing I hate about hyperbloom is the fact that burgeon is trash in comparison.

Really good video, I never thought about it like that but that's exactly why I moved away from hyperbloom myself

The thing about hyperbloom is the reason it’s so good for newer/returning players is that things like the abyss _have_ gotten somewhat harder, and now is getting more and more customised for the current character banner. So players that were 36* the abyss a year ago might really struggle now. So hyperbloom is a fast, easy alternative to get that 36* while you bring your units up to scratch

People that claim that hyperbloom is shit probably forgot that not everyone is p2w and farms the shit out of dungeons for good artifacts. Atm dendro teams are the most easiest teams to build to stomp the content

i feel like im kinda stuck using a scuffed burgeon team. my c6 xiangling is just too good to not use, and neuvilette is just too good not to use.

It all depends on investment. For people who don’t like hyperbloom most of them have very high investment on their characters. Hyperbloom needs characters that can vertical invest since there’s so few ways to go much higher. Most people eventually consider going for cons or weapons for their favorite characters.

It fixes the main issue that most characters suffer from in multi target /wave challenge. It automatically goes where it's needed.

I think you pretty much nailed it. Hyperbloom is a high floor low investment reaction, and it’s great for more casual players and ones who don’t want to spend weeks farming for artifacts. Why farm 4 stats when one stat will do?

I used hyperbloom as a crutch when the abyss was difficult, but now it feels boring and I like trying new play styles

Lets wait for another like al haitham then maybe even a lot more people can see it as norm

me personally i really like hyperbloom,high floor easy to invest into team that has a fun rotation without it being too overpowered/invalidating other units. its the reason i returned to genshin cause before that i just couldnt enjoy most teams,xiangling feels horrible to play and she was basically the thing most people recommended so i got bored. but nowadays i am finally enjoying genshin again with the addition of hyperbloom or quickbloom teams,aggrevate teams,nilou bloom teams,even partially furina teams have just made my experience better. iam glad i can finally clear the abyss without being forced to use units i didnt enjoy.

It's a good and comfy team archetype imo. I like for its flexibility.

"there is hpb so i dont need to pull for x character" is true if you pull that character for clearing abyss only. cuz hpb does have a low ceiling but it's floor is enough to comfortably clear abyss,, this puts players in a good spot tho, not being forced to pull a character you dont find fun or dont like just cuz they're "broken"

I think overall hyper bloom is a great team. And honestly it still competes in clear times with someone of the teams I play. Mind you I have C2 raiden, homa on hu tao, C1 Neuvillette. And I have pretty great artifacts. And I’ve been playing for 3 years. Hyperbloom teams still compete with my teams, because I recognize that certain teams simply aren’t good against certain enemies, and that certain hyperbloom teams are! And that hyperbloom is easy, doesn’t lose too much damage from dodging, or changes in rotation. Those are amazing aspects which many other teams don’t have without losing out on a lot of things. Hyperbloom is also really good for mobile play, as mistakes tend to happen easier with the interface. I won’t lie to people and say it’s the highest dps ceiling, but it does often compete because of all the other aspects it has, which are not damage, but can be so much more important than damage.

Hyperbloom is the thing that made my account good. Boom, all of a sudden I was clearing.

I dont think its bad for the game for a specific "overturned" reaction to exist, just like I have never thought that having very strong 4*s was ever a bad thing (like benny, xingqiu, xiangling, sucrose, etc). At the end of the day, you need 2 teams for abyss. Those units, much like hyperbloom, offer an easier way to deal with abyss earlier into the game, while older players (or players who prefer vertical investment in general) can opt out of using those by vertically investing into a specific unit/team that they prefer, sometimes even at a cheaper primogem investment if they go for the correct constellations/weapons. So I don't really mind that it's not balanced. Just like Xingqiu or the other 4*s, I think that it's good that the game gives you the chance to go the easy route or the hyperinvest route! (Well, except for Bennett. You cannot whale your way out of using Bennett lmao)

Hyperbloom is not bad in fact it's what i classify as casual friendly playstyle. Although, i must say it's overrated cuz sure it is strong but not completely broken due to it having a high dmg floor and low dmg ceiling. It is not my a cup of tea tho since compared to pure Quicken Teams, esp. at high investment, Hyperbloom and Quickbloom is mechanically irking me since Hydro consumes the Quicken Aura that there is a need to reapply the Quicken effect due to the fact that Hydro consumes the Quicken aura as compared to pure Quicken where it doesn't.

me and homies want a indirect Ganyu buff, its been way too long

Hyperbloom is comfy and great for 4* runs =3 Its true that I dont often play it when using my 5* characaters but it was already the case. I dont have AlHaitham or Cyno to quickbloom and I prefer my Nahida on Quicken with Yae or on Bloom with Nilou =3

I got my first 36* Abyss with hyperbloom, it's absolutely not overrated, it's OP. It's the easiest way for new players to get good damage.

I think there is one other big plus to mention it comes to hyperbloom, and this is one that also applies to National. It mixes three elements, with lots of elemental application of all three. A team like mono-pyro or freeze is, often, a lackluster team. It is decently common to run into situations where they are at a disadvantage. Not as often as physical teams, but still more than others. But a team like Hyperbloom and National just toss elements at enemies, and do damage in a variety of those elements. This makes them very hard to shut down. They are omni-tool teams... you can always use them one side of the Abyss or the other. And that is what truly makes them good teams to invest in, for a newer player. Not only can do they Floor 12 clearing levels of damage without hyper-investment, you can use them every single Abyss cycle. But personally, I've always liked Quickbloom teams over hyperbloom ones. I just like the mix of direct and triggered damage.

Only problem with hyperbloom it’s only biggest buff is nahida c2. Through vertical investment by investing in hyper carries team they scale higher than hyperbloom. In my opinion it’s a good option for players who has not have many characters in thier rosters. But that does fall into the aspect of waiting for which 4s is going to release or even 5s. Any sort of team will always needs some sort of investment. As long you have fun keep doing what you like. Have a great day or night travelers

I noticed since this abyss, on floor 12 hyperbloom performance is poor, much lower demage than Diluc Xianyun plunge team or Keqing aggravate team.

I'm not a very meta following player, I have never used xiangling in the abyss, ever. I have HuTao, but didn't level her up above 60 because I didn't like her playstyle. Been about 950 days playing. Nahida HB is one of the strongest ST team I have. Plus Nahida is my fave char in the game so I got her c2 recently, no regrets. I'd argue that the simplicity and ease of HB (on mobile) combined with the relatively less artifact grind and versatility gives it an edge over traditional Vape teams as far as I'm concerned.

double hydro does almost 40% damage in that team though? 1:40

The only content creator take on hyperbloom grounded in reality. good job bro

Playing since launch and farming most days artifacts and still dont have any 40+ CV items...

My team consists of Zhongli - Kuki - Nahida - Mona and I love it! It's such a lazy team but it clears stuff up in a jiff! I havn't figured out my other DMG team yet tho.

Finally a reasonable take on hyperbloom. I agree that the general public overrate hyperbloom in a sense that "it's the only think you can do and there's no point in building anything else". I also agree that people who say hyperbloom is bad have investment-bias and just have incredibly high artifact invest or whaled-out characters with 5 star weapons/constellations. The only thing I disagree with is saying that hyperbloom is perfectly balanced. It's very lopsided because it only scales with one stat. I think the damage should not have been this high and the idea of it being a "sub-dps" damage would have been better.

I never used a true hyperbloom setup. I just like crit stats too much, so aggravate and quickbloom were my favorites for dendro teams. The only bloom focused team I use is Nilou, because I like her.

The only reason people like hyperbloom is bcz it is very easy to reach peak potential of hyperbloom team damage which is comparable to other moderately invested teams, but they don't understand that they already maxed out the damage they are doing with hyperbloom unlike other teams whose damage potential can be increased. It's like comparing XQ with Yelan, many people still believe that XQ is better than yelan but they are are actually comparing Highest potential XQ with the lowest potential Yelan, and when you compare highest potential yelan with XQ it's like nowhere near.

I think a easy way to sum it up is: hyperbloom has an high, easy to achieve floor. But, if given enough investment, it can be outdamaged by other archetypes. For people who have played the game for less time it can easily carry them through *some* of the hardest content but after a while there's not much of a point in playing it exclusively. (and it can also help some players make certain characters playable while they're acquiring the rest of their roster)

Trust me hyperbloom is still fastest way to get first 36 stars in abyss except youre spent more money or have very lucky artifact's gacha

The main issue with it for me is that your 4th unit can be anyone, and the optimal rotation in most of the time is ignoring that unit. What the c2 r1 spine 9/9/4 talents 245cv marishusee(hlp) Fremine???? It's hyperbloom. Razor? Thundering furry as hb variation. Almost every character exept 5-10 top ones not worth even field time. As someone who play physical Layla with c2 Nahida for def shred tanasity and ttds , i can agree the state of hyper investment.