Which mocap are you using?

$4,000 for 6 iPhones? Why? You can get used iPhone 11's for like $200 a pop. Maybe $1,200 on the high end.

Another issue I have is your testing method. You are wearing baggy clothing without much contrast, which will also reduce the accuracy of the tracker. I use Move AI in a well-lite studio space with white walls, and the talent each wearing body-snug bright colored suits. Haven't had any real issue. I think too many people assume this is TOO casual of a method for capturing mocap data - you need to treat the studio space like you would a $50,000 IR tracking system, not like you would an inertia-based suit workflow.

This was so well filmed, edited, narrated, and researched. Subscribed. Keep up the amazing work, you'll definitely take off buddy!

It's funny that people complained about the pricing of this mocap (from what I understand you are talking about the multi-cam option) NOW it's not $365 a year but $5,000 a year and not 30 minutes a month but 20 minutes a month. And the one camera option is also still more expensive than that full multi-camera plan was. I just paid $20 for a 1 month access of 3 minutes processing time. I was so hyped back then to try it out but I didn't have access to an iPhone... I finally got to borrow one or two but now I'm screwed again, this time by the pricing policy :(

Great summary and initial review - looking forward to hear more about this in the future.

I put moveai with a period and youtube auto deleted it. Fantastic. Well lets try again. First off thank you for this video and information! I have to disagree however for the following points: 1. You can spend way less on a Iphone 8 or even different cameras entirely. In experimental mode you can use any camera that fits the right specs. A guy got it working with $25 cameras. Moveai even started out with GoPros before Iphones. 2. The 30 minute cap seems bad but then you realize that Xsens does the same thing unless you pay $250 a month for unlimited processing. A MONTH! And thats after buying the suit. 3. Want to add another person with xsens? Well now you need another expensive suit. Or you have to record again separately and hope the animation syncs. 4. Suiting up every single time with multiple actors can be a headache. I still think the price bracket Xsens wants is not comparable to moveai. It is much cheaper still to use moveai. Unless there is a way to process unlimited data with Xsens that is free I don't see how it is better if it has that same subscription issue with an even higher barrier of entry.

Fantastic elucidation of where these tools are at, thank you Han! 😎🥳🏆

It’s nice to see your channel going so well!

Thank you for the fair comparison, it really shows the strong and weak points of both systems. This information will for sure help those checking out different options, I would surely recommend they watch this video to get a good overview.

Nice video! I was thinking to do this kind of video +optical but can't seem to get to it. Thanks for including the floor rolling and hands on surface, great to see how it does in these situations

This is awesome, thank you for the direct comparison!

Han, I'm just addicted to your videos mate, I NEED A FULL COURSE OF YOURS SOON! any plans on doing it? Maybe a filmming master course or something? Cheers and always thank you for the amazing content!

Thank you for sharing and explaining Han!

Needed that review, Thank you!!

An update would be welcome. Now there is monthly payment option and experimental mode, which works with all sort of footages from any camera.

I love your content! Great breakdown, thank you so much

This is super helpful. Thank you for an honest and comprehensive review with your OWN testing and data. Definitely a sub from me. I've got a Perception Neuron v32 which still works well for me. Markerless mocap at an affordable price with good fidelity...just doesn't quiiiite seem to be there ....yet

Great video, Han. Really interesting to see a comparison of the 2 systems. One of the keys to getting the most out of any mocap system is knowing exactly what it can and can’t do so you can plan round it, so this is really useful. I always find the claim “you don’t need a suit” a little cheeky. While you don’t need to wear a Lycra suit, you do need clothing that contrasts with the surroundings and the different parts of your body to improve tracking.

It's true that it's too expensive, but for amateur creators like me, there is no alternative other than move ai. I wish there was a monthly subscription plan.

Really nice comparison. Let just add to that the fact that mostly... everyone has a phone capable of doing that. We tried it in our studio and if you combine someones phone + tablet, you end up pretty fast at the number of devices needed for the capture. In our test I just borrowed someones iPhone + my own + my other friends phone in the test and finally my ipad. We ended up with four devices at a total cost of... 0$. Which cuts the cost then to "only" the tracking fees. But for the accuracy and everything in this video thanks for comparing the exact same motion with two different technics! It's still super impressive for a tech that can be used by anyone!

Body Occlusion with 6 cameras! lol Great video!

Thanks for the comparison and a very fair review. It was certainly eye opening when I got into Mocap via XSens Awinda a few years ago. Understanding that although there's a single term for this ("Mocap") there's actually so many subtle differences that one ought to understand - some you spoke of such as the volume where inertial suits can run loose in the wild vs in a volume. Some others that I had to learn the hard way : Do you want Live streamed mocap or just offline recordings? Do you want really, flawless mocap done Live or Offline? Two or more people touching with great registration between them? Props? Camera tracking? Visibility of the Mocap suit to a camera that may be filming? So many of these questions I didn't know i needed to ask but had to discover along the way. We've since gone with OptiTrack for great Live/Offline recording, multiple person registration, Props and Camera tracking although recently we were asked to do recording mocap of people wearing high fashion clothing - so the XSens came out of the cupboard because we could hide the sensors ! It's a wonderful thing but gee, was it expensive learning all these points! Thank you for helping the community understand more about the topic!

What sensor did xsens use? Is it mti-G710?

What about finger? Is it good enough?

Thx for your efforts mate. Can you also make a comparison video of xsense and rokoko? That would be great.

Cool video! I see you mostly do your animations in unreal engine. And I have a question. How many poligons does your rigged model have? As I can see, it's done very well. I personally rig models in blender. Although they are great in LOD0. Blender can't let it move or render smoothly. Although I have a powerful computer. And it seems to be very smooth in unreal engine. Can you give tips if I need to know something about a UE model beforehand...

0:32 It would be so cool if you could give us some tips on filming two characters fighting while having only one motion capture suit

Good Review

+1 SUB ! I have been looking for a great KZfaqr that talks about retargeting in maya. The most daunting thing as a solo indie dev is character rigging + animating and retargeting. I have not gotten it working proper. Anyway, Great video! I was looking at Rokoko and an Iphone system. I think Rokoko is the way to go

Han thanks for the objective review. We’d welcome your thoughts on what a more viable free trial period might be alongside the minute allocation monthly. Also if you want to do more tests pls do reach out and we can facilitate more credits for you to continue to explore. Totally hear you on the connectivity issues two weeks out from launch we are still ironing out some gremlins from the system and making it much more robust. Just to confirm you are testing this against the MVN link which costs $12,000 and software which costs $5,000-10,000 pr/yr? If so it’s a thrill to see the data come out so closely comparable. Sorry you had to shoot in the rain but loads of people are shooting in much tighter spaces indoors using the wide angle lens on the 11 up. The hardware on a system like this can run as little as $1300 if you are buying refurbished iPhone 11s.

Very glad that somebody finally has a more critical view on that software solution. After two months of using it I gotta say they definitely hit the right direction but the execution is far from perfect. The most frustrating thing for me are the restrictions of the app: 1. You can't upload individual files, only all or none. 2. they have deactivated the function to share the raw recorded videos from the iPhones to other devices. 3. Wouldn't be that much of a problem but unfortunately the app is prone to crash when uploading a lot of takes (which is normal on long production days). The older the iPhone is the worse the problem gets. So, that's why their USP of cost-efficient productions is kind of invalid. Ultimately you end up buying or renting expensive iPhone models.

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of course, its raining on the day when you booked everything out

Hmm, just checked all options for this budget motion capture and I'm very disappointed (nothing against Move tho). My main question is, how are VR googles so cheap, when you track the headset, and several controllers with perfect precision? It can do it for less than 1000 bucks, and you have a VR headset next to it? I would so much like some explanation.. thanks.

30 minutes a month? Geez I got hours of mocap data for my 10 minute short film. These monetization methods are not good.

is it better to use vive trackers

I think if wonder studio turns out to be as good as they claim, these existing solutions won't stay relevant much longer. Be it mov ai or mocap suits

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uhm.... so 365 USD for something you wouldn't use during the whole year with the lie of being $1 day price, but on top of that you only get 30min per month.....

MoveAi only for who is learning about animation and mocap

Honestly you failed to research proper clothing and contrast. You mean well, but it is a misleading video. You should try again with different clothing

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