Is It Legal To Ban TikTok? What Happens Next?
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@KillTheFear 28 күн бұрын
Firstly, it not a ban. Its a force to sell. If they refuse to sell, yes. It needs to be banned and heavily monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies.
@tjthrash0143 28 күн бұрын
Im hoping that the ban (or whatever you want to call it) is struck down. It doesnt seem right. However, i do acknowledge that china having access to all of those users data is very concerning. Then again tik tok is not the only way china could attain that data its just the easiest and cheapest.
@gamestechvideos 28 күн бұрын
it should be banned
@sammarks9146 28 күн бұрын
Pander to the hwat?
@ianmacdonald9201 28 күн бұрын
The threat is not so much about user data, the threat is in the nature of the information users receive. As an example, China can manipulate the algorithm to hide Uyghur atrocities, favor anti Taiwan news or pro Hamas news and highlight pro China propaganda. And as the app is primarily used by youngsters, this is a national threat.
@kailomonkey 28 күн бұрын
If data about users is so dangerous, maybe laws should restrict any such data being held by anyone!
@sharper68 28 күн бұрын
Or we should stop selling it like literally every other platform does. There is nothing secret about your data in the US, if they wanted to China could buy all your data and info on the open market.
@boring_elderly_millenial 28 күн бұрын
US Government: "wait, no, that's not what we meant"
@mitchconner403 28 күн бұрын
If you consent to having your data being used then you can’t complain about your data being used What do you think the “terms of service” is?
@AcidDaBomb 28 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@roofdogblues7400 28 күн бұрын
@@mitchconner403 That's the point. It's the government saying a foreign owned company having access to our data is a national security threat, so if that's true, they should make sure no company can hold or sell our data or it could wind up in the hands of a foreign country who is still able to buy it from American companies directly or through subsidiaries, which this forced sell does nothing to address.
@Mattipedersen 28 күн бұрын
If lawmakers are so worried about the privacy and security of the citizens they represent, perhaps they would be working harder to make the sale of user data to third parties illegal
@prestonh.2771 27 күн бұрын
@@AmazedBunion So it's fine as long as they go through the slightly longer step of buying it from one of the other companies that actively steal our data, like meta, got it 8D
@MicaiahBaron 27 күн бұрын
@@AmazedBunionIndeed; it's not really about protecting people, just racism against the Chinese. Good observation.
@AmazedBunion 27 күн бұрын
@@MicaiahBaron you had to resort to a bad faith argument confirming you already lost. no one hates chinese citizens. they (rightfully) hate the CCP and the chinese communist government. also lolol at this guy liking his own comment.
@dantereinhardt6911 27 күн бұрын
Saying it's about data privacy is really just the surface part, the part they don't want to say is that this is a move to reduce Chinese influence in the US, and also limit their growing market there. It started with TikTok, but they'll probably try to extend it to things like Temu and Shein. The US Government has slowly started to take more and more actions against China's influence within the country, while companies are also slowly leaving China and trying to decouple their supply chain from it. All because China is both going through a lot of internal problems and becoming more outwardly hostile in the Eve of a possible and even probable Taiwan invasion.
@ross-carlson 27 күн бұрын
Or doing more to make sure someone who tried to subvert democracy is NEVER allowed in office again
@colinharter4094 28 күн бұрын
The fact that the Montana law was ostensibly created to protect children but the state failed to make any reference to protecting children in any of the briefs responding to temporary injunctions is definitely saying the quiet part out loud
@SkiDaBird 26 күн бұрын
That's partly because our state legislature has been more interested in culture war politics than actually governing, and partly because the Montana AG Knudsen is a political hack and a horrible lawyer.
@MrFlarespeed 26 күн бұрын
Whenever someone says "think of the children" it's probable that they're "thinking of the children" in a much different way than most people, to say the least.
@taragnor 24 күн бұрын
"Protect the children" is a good way to know they're going to announce some authoritarian anti-freedom BS and make it sound good. The moment you hear that, a bunch of red flags should go up.
@daniel_millican 23 күн бұрын
Look at all the big words you used 😂 what a big boy😂
@aarondavis8943 23 күн бұрын
@@daniel_millican Ostensibly and injunctions. Wow. Google it if you don't understand words.
@leviadragon99 28 күн бұрын
So Tiktok is sketchy, but it's sketchy in a similar way to a lot of tech corporations and apps, data harvesters/traders, and websites, maybe some broader introspection regarding the industry and how laws and regulations even conceive of it is in order...
@TheRogueX 16 күн бұрын
They don't care if AMERICAN companies have all that data and violate the privacy of Americans on a regular basis... only if "adversaries" have it.
@ButWhyWasTaken 6 күн бұрын
No, it's very different. Tikotok is owned by a Chinese company who is by Chinese law required to not only collect user data but also hand it over to the Chinese government and well know that defying the Chinese will get you disappeared for a few months after which you will swear that you were totally wrong and totally regret your mistakes - if you are lucky. This means the Chinese government has access to all data collected by tiktot which is a lot since apparently tiktok collects data from other apps as well and this is obviously a giant security risk. BUT what's odd is how tiktok is the only app that gets this treatment when there are so many others. E.g. Mihoyo is a Chinese company beholden to the Chinese government which means Genshin Impact, Honkai Impact 3rd, Star Rail and the upcoming game (or is it out already) all do the same thing as tiktok but are not getting banned.
@TheFiddleFaddle 28 күн бұрын
I agree with the principle that ByteDance is untrustworthy with our data and privacy. The irony that the _American government_ is whining about collecting data on private citizens is profound.
@nikkiwikki73 28 күн бұрын
It’s about what that information is being used for. Think how your doctor collects your medical data. They have a reason to have that info and won’t/shouldn’t use it to harm you, but in the hands of someone else it could be dangerous and compromising to your health. (Just an analogy, please don’t read too much into this).
@p4rsec 28 күн бұрын
i mean, yes, but that’s kind of why they’re upset. how the data is being used is an unknown quantity. not to mention, unlike china, the US government has a lot more rules and regulations they must abide by. they can’t just (legally and without pushback) access any US company’s servers and require the customer data to be stored in the US. in china, all of these things ARE the case. our government should be held accountable too, i don’t think anyone is saying it shouldn’t. but in this case, there is a lot less oversight and a lot more sweeping overreach available to china that the US doesn’t have over companies in the requisite countries.
@apexcrypto01 28 күн бұрын
If you're a US citizen with more than 2 brain cells, you'd realize why having your own government have your data is infinitely better than some hostile foreign adversary having it.
@TheFiddleFaddle 28 күн бұрын
@@p4rsec No they can't _just_ access any US company's servers. They need a subpoena or warrant first. Which the tech companies overwhelmingly comply with, and do not notify users when they do so. The threat from China hardly compares to the Fourth Amendment threats from our own government. And that's not even counting the data that the US government collects or purchases without consent. Which I absolutely assure you they do.
@TheFiddleFaddle 28 күн бұрын
@@nikkiwikki73 You're absolutely right, it is about what the information is being used for. I've seen how the US government uses the information they collect. Look up warrantless spying on NYC protests, and surveillance on Portland protestors for credible reporting on how the US government abuses private data.
@Martcapt 28 күн бұрын
So... the EU should take a really close look at Facebook, is my takeaway
@pxlicious 28 күн бұрын
Gdpr compliance took years to migrate to
@gleggett3817 28 күн бұрын
you saw the NYT headline Meta Fined $1.3 Billion for Violating E.U. Data Privacy Rules" in 2023? "
@durdleduc8520 28 күн бұрын
the most hilarious result of this is if the EU did this same exact thing to American-owned Facebook
@rene280195 28 күн бұрын
Is not the same case, EU can extradite Mark Zukerberg if necesary from the US, the US cannot extradite the CCP or the owner of Tiktok, the US and the EU are not declared enemies in march to a global conflict. Now yes, the EU should be worry and they're of META, as they we're the first to hit them with legislation.
@Gravewhisper 28 күн бұрын
Facebook is regularly fined by the EU, they just pay the fines and don't give a shit.
@verebellus 26 күн бұрын
every argument for the ban in terms of safety, applies for all social media ever.
@nikig2382 13 күн бұрын
I don’t see how part ownership by an adversarial foreign government applies to all social media ever…
@onenightblitz 28 күн бұрын
3:04 It's technically correct. Bytedance has Douyin, which is exactly Tiktok but for users in the PRC and its regions. In 2019 Bytedance disabled access to Tiktok in Hong Kong SAR following allegations of improper data security, which just happens coincidentally during the Extradition Law and Bill protests occurring around the time. Tiktok is delisted in mobile app stores for accounts in Hong Kong, and links to the service is now met with a white landing page.
@Saprophyte2 27 күн бұрын
Also, part of their argument is that TikTok says that a US-only version of TikTok would never be economically viable. Douyin seems to work just fine in the China-only market though.
@saint-miscreant 27 күн бұрын
@@Saprophyte2to be fair, China _is_ a much larger market population-wise. A very quick google search indicates >750million douyin users vs
@Real_OSHA_Unsafety_Engineer 27 күн бұрын
HK falls under the Chinese law which is why the shift of data laws in HK happened.
@Real_OSHA_Unsafety_Engineer 27 күн бұрын
@@Saprophyte2 The difference is that Douyin is the original algorithm designed by the developers, they sold its license to create Tiktok (App) to allow to create an international version of Douyin. So Tiktok (Company) renamed Douyin as TIktok (App). US wants to have a license copy of the algorithm. Aka its like getting an American version of AK47 but to manufacture AK47 in US soil, it needs License to manufacture from Kalashnikov, the original developers Bytedance doesn't want to sold its license to manufacture TIktok. They've tried to copy Tiktok with its knockoffs like YT shorts and FB shorts (which is just basically a ripoff of Tiktok with US' censorship). But still was not as "efficient" and as good as the Tiktok Algorithm. So now they want the original copy of that algorithm.
@kopskey1 26 күн бұрын
@@Saprophyte2 Don't forget their BS defense that "Well, we'd be unable to transfer the code". No, that's literally exactly how code works, it's not a liquid substance that corrodes all containers, it's a bunch of data contained into files, which are then stored in folders. With a big enough flash drive you could move the code in minutes.
@chaosfenix 28 күн бұрын
I would be for a strict privacy law in the US. I don't think tiktok should have access to all of that data but I don't think facebook, google, microsoft, or any of their "trusted partners" should either.
@Lambda_Ovine 28 күн бұрын
yeah, all these "trusted partners" have probably indirectly sold to the CCP (or anyone for that matter) all our data at this point anyway because they only care about money
@kairotox 27 күн бұрын
Only problem is is that the government wants to be able to peep on its citizens, which means they still want it being stored by those companies, and as long as it's viewable at all, it's sellable by those companies.
@chaosfenix 27 күн бұрын
@@kairotox Yep because if it is stored by a private company then they can just buy it without having to get a warrant.
@thegreatpotat0948 27 күн бұрын
What "data" do you think they are stealing? all our government info is public records, the data the app gets is the fact that Jane Doe liked this video of dogs licking PB while grooming, so Jane Doe likes dogs or has dogs. Jane comments positively on someone's 'just went to the stylist and check out this color!' so they know Jane likes that kind of hair or has that kind of hair. Which is all anyone can find out by seeing Jane walking her dog on the street or asking her about her hairstyle, it is just data to sell ads to us better, Capitalism is worldwide and our own society has done it 50000 times in your life to you and you never knew, why care now?
@briancollins7296 27 күн бұрын
i agree specifically regarding how that information being used for targetted ads, when one spends more time telling these algorithms that their predicted correlations have failed utterly.
@Feynt 28 күн бұрын
11:04 - "America lacks a comprehensive data privacy law" Or really anything that benefits consumers at all. It's almost like the US is favourable to businesses and the upper echelons of society...
@JohnGardnerAlhadis 28 күн бұрын
One need only compare the price of insulin with the price of diabetes-inducing sugary treats that are marketed everywhere to make that connection.
@austinhernandez2716 28 күн бұрын
Aka capitalism
@Feynt 28 күн бұрын
@@austinhernandez2716 Yup. Never been a fan of capitalism. Money is a giant headache. I'd rather live a productive life and just get things than have to negotiate myself into slavery to afford shitty living conditions.
@normalchannel2185 28 күн бұрын
@@austinhernandez2716 No, since Capitalism at the very least has no governmental input. It leaves everything upto the market, which means that people still have a chance. No, USA uses all the socialist and communist interference tactics, but aim the beneficial ones to the companies and the negative ones to the consumers and employees
@Ammdar 28 күн бұрын
@normalchannel2185 You really could have just saved some text just said "I have no clue what any of these terms actually mean, but I know if I throw them out there I'll sound interesting"
@DeadDancers 28 күн бұрын
I love how all those ‘promotes dangerous content’ examples are so clearly a problem with humans, not with TikTok.
@SaggyToasticles 24 күн бұрын
Ok, web series pitch: "Legal Smeagol" Where smeagol is the defense attorney and Gollum is the prosecutor.
@nikig2382 13 күн бұрын
“The Honorable Gandalf The White presiding”
@ptrinch 28 күн бұрын
Given the current state of the Supreme Court, whether or not something is constitution is irrelevant.
@sharper68 28 күн бұрын
They have proved that numerous times, activist judges serving their owners.
@NybergCarl 28 күн бұрын
The Roberts Court has little respect for precedent, creating large legal gray zones where the assumption is that courts will eventually resolve things in favor of the party with more money to litigate.
@LordSandwich27 28 күн бұрын
Trump judges serving his agenda. Nothing new
@JasonLaveKnotts 28 күн бұрын
Check your grammar.
@soundsofsilence1090 28 күн бұрын
What do you mean by the current state of the Supreme Court?
@MitchellColbert 28 күн бұрын
This is probably not the takeaway Congress wants me to have, but can we have a golden share law too? A 1% tax on all those fortune 500 companies who pay 0 taxes would actually fund our government.
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 28 күн бұрын
The execs of those companies will keep bribing, sorry, lobbying Congress to prevent that
@wolfiemuse 28 күн бұрын
It would massively decrease the tax burden on the 98%
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 28 күн бұрын
@@wolfiemuse Yuppers
@DPowered2 28 күн бұрын
The government likes giving them tax breaks then asking for money just to pay high interest so I doubt they would do that
@mouse2542 28 күн бұрын
@@wolfiemuse nah, they just increase spending. what will they spend it on? probably those fortune 500 companies.
@WingedAsarath 28 күн бұрын
Rather than ban TikTok, wouldn't it be more sensible to ban applications which transfer data to/from China from app stores? Bonus: no more hazardous goods from Temu.
@SageWon-1aussie 28 күн бұрын
Can't have US laws limit the ability of US corporations to sell to the largest market in the world. Neither are US laws allowed to limit US corporations from purchasing the cheapest products available. It would be anticompetitive, or something something.
@janchristianursuaaguilar7434 27 күн бұрын
I wish alt tech sites like rumble,gab and even newsmax are the ones that deserve a ban
@SugarandSarcasm 27 күн бұрын
But how else am I supposed to get plutonium on the cheap?? For the feds watching: I was joking. Don't even have the Temu app.
@DrinkyMcBeer 21 күн бұрын
That's pretty much how the law works. TikTok and bytedance are called out by name, but any company that is incorporated under an "adversary nation" can be brought to the attention of the president for review to be included.
@DrinkyMcBeer 21 күн бұрын
@SageWon-1aussie Facebook, Google, Twitter, and more are already banned in China and have been banned for many years. Meanwhile bytedance is making tons of money in China (not with tiktok, though. It's banned in China too because of privacy concerns and data collection policies) while able to make even more money in the US.
@8E6JI 28 күн бұрын
This sounds a lot like “I don’t like them, so you can’t be their friend anymore.”
@juances 28 күн бұрын
The "forced to sale" part is what bothers me. If the apps is truly problematic or a national security risk then ban it outright, don't do this "we'll ban it if it's chinese but we'll let it continue if some american buys it". Because that makes it painfully obvious that no one wants to truly "fix" the app, all they want is switch the hands of whoever harvests all that juicy data.
@onceuponamelody 28 күн бұрын
Exactly. The US government wants the rights to that data.
@someguy1ification 28 күн бұрын
This was my initial concern as well. Also my ongoing concern.
@amoliski 28 күн бұрын
It stops Chinese state media videos from being forced into your feed by the Chinese government
@kingofhearts3185 28 күн бұрын
I mean that's the reason it's a problem but not twitter or facebook. Chinese security laws give them completely unrestricted access to user data in a way the US government doesn't have. That's the reason divestment was given as an option. It's also self serving, but no more than forcing users to quit the app for a US based alternative.
@roym4457 28 күн бұрын
@@kingofhearts3185 There simply wouldn't be one, not as good at least. The rumor on the street is that Tiktok uses their Chinese user data to unrestrainedly develop an algorithm that is so impeccable, that none of the western big tech could keep up with. That's what makes Tiktok so addictive.
@LabMatt 28 күн бұрын
6:03 Banning TikTok will not magically solve human stupidity
@WritingCountingOriginal 28 күн бұрын
I’m pretty sure TikTok has most of the idiocy.
@Marineisme 28 күн бұрын
Wont even slow it's spread.
@mrgaud 28 күн бұрын
no... but it's a good start.
@randomrobin7773 28 күн бұрын
@@WritingCountingOriginal Nope, they will migrate somewhere else.
@LabMatt 28 күн бұрын
@@randomrobin7773 Yeah just look at what happened after Vine shut down
@MorbidGod391 26 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. Really good job breaking everything down.
@alisilcox6036 28 күн бұрын
There hasnt been a true marketplace of ideas since our public fora became privately owned. All social media should be publicly owned, free, free of any content restriction, advertising, engagement algorithms or data gathering, or privately owned and considered the publisher of all content contained within. Imagine I had a newspaper and was given a free pass to print whatever anyone wanted to put in it, with no liability for me, because I told the government that the newspaper was so long it would be impossible to edit but such a newspaper was somehow crucial to public discourse. Then imagine I fill it with ads, gather the personal details for everyone who picks it up in order to sell, and promote writers who benefit me and my advertisers and increase uptake of the paper by putting the most divisive and cruel articles on the front page. As mark Zuckerberg said, anyone who took that deal would be an idiot.
@Clevelandlantis 28 күн бұрын
The shock after reading “smearing human feces on toddlers” 🤣
@ptrinch 28 күн бұрын
As the father of 3, I can safely claim that they did an efficient job of smearing feces all over themselves without any need for outside interaction.
@Tb0n3 28 күн бұрын
Chinese influences aside, the biggest problem with tiktok is the algorithm. It's certainly a threat to the mental health of our children.
@robertjenkins6132 28 күн бұрын
I read that part ahead of him because the text jumped out at me. So it was funny when he got to that part and had the same reaction I did 😂
@jospinner1183 28 күн бұрын
@@ptrinch Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Toddlers are champions at smearing all kinds of substances all over themselves.
@RooiRokBokkie 28 күн бұрын
I think i know what they're talking about and they've got it kinda wrong. So there was this stupid trend where mom's would sit on the toilet then call their toddler and ask them to bring toilet paper, as the toddler hands the toilet paper over the mom "accidently" smears feces on their hand (except its just Nutella) then films the reaction. The child will cry, react shocked, gag etc and I guess it was meant to be funny
@daiakunin 28 күн бұрын
The USA really needs a legislative equivalent to the EU's gdpr, so of course Congress instead tries to ban tiktok.
@GoneZombie 28 күн бұрын
We can and should do both.
@uhohhotdog 28 күн бұрын
@@GoneZombieno
@Sniperbear13 28 күн бұрын
the US wont do anything against the Corpos.
@4lc441 28 күн бұрын
I mean, various EU countries are also talking about banning TikTok. Several have already banned it from government devices.
@yesitschelle 28 күн бұрын
@@GoneZombie It's unlikely that this law will survive scrutiny. If they made an ordinary export/import control, it would work just fine. There are tons of things we can't export to foreign adversaries, including complicated software. They can justify imports the same way.
@TooLateForIeago 28 күн бұрын
I have nothing but contempt for TikTok. But ifTikTok is banned or its sale to a politically more desirable owner, what outlet is the next one to be deemed a threat to national security?
@AdamSmith-gs2dv 28 күн бұрын
X because this right wing
@RyanEglitis 28 күн бұрын
A much better tack would be to classify all these content providers as utilities, and make them open up their recommendation algorithms to replacement by custom algorithms.
@matthewdrummond1340 28 күн бұрын
I live north of the Montana Canadian border. There's nothing to learn spying on us. We're really boring lol
@jeffreyquinn3820 28 күн бұрын
Howdy neighbour. I'm fairly certain that the value of my personal information is effectively zero, commercially an politically.
@xboxbam3979 28 күн бұрын
It was mainly directed at protecting the nuclear missile info (since the silos are all throughout Montana) from what I understand. The child protection part was just an excuse in hopes to make the law stick.
@brodriguez11000 28 күн бұрын
Get your secret maple syrup recipe.
@lauren7464 27 күн бұрын
That sounds like something someone who is worth spying on would say.
@SugarandSarcasm 27 күн бұрын
If they want to take my bad credit score and debt...
@Sam_on_YouTube 28 күн бұрын
A lot of those dangerous TikTok challenges were not spread initially on TokTok. The NyQuil Chicken was bery clearly and explicitly a joke. The news media picked it up and stripped out the parts that made it clear it was a joke and described it as a trend, even though by then the video was old, not widely seen, and had no evidence of causing anyone to do anything. The dangerous incidents didn't happen until those stories on the news got spread on social media and went viral. Not from the original TikTokers. MatPat had a really thorough video debunking that, as well as several similar "trends" that were really media creations.
@Kyle_Schaff 28 күн бұрын
Yeah, the media is sensationalizing and lazy, but they’re also very unoriginal. They’re not making stories up out of whole cloth. Dangerous trends targeting kids started by kids has been a phenomenon since social media. The question then is how does TikTok affect that trend. It’d be interesting if anyone has (or even could) collected real statistics on this. To me, it _feels_ like it’s had a detrimental affect on kids in a thousand ways-including making them more susceptible to getting caught up in challenge trends in general. Also, thinking that “It’s a joke and not meant to be taken seriously” is lowkey a childish understanding. Virtually no one sees the context behind a joke/trend-which can make it being a joke easy to miss for certain (or many) people if it is one. From there, all it takes is a clout chaser personality
@hulacat1555 28 күн бұрын
Exactly, and even if they were created on tiktok banning the app won't stop dumb trends being made on other platforms
@sharniek002 28 күн бұрын
From memory nyquil chicken was a joke that originally came from 4chan, and wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
@PhoenixFireZero 28 күн бұрын
Stupid challenges for internet clout have been a thing for many years
@insertianameia2224 28 күн бұрын
They made a "trend" out of a joke. They have made trends out of jokes before. Or one or two kids did somethingstupid and they decised to call it a trend (like the tide pod thing.) And trends have existed loooong before social media.There are records of dangerous trends from before colr ictures were things that have existed. And records of kids doing trends before photos have existed. @@Kyle_Schaff
@Versudan 28 күн бұрын
The state of New South Wales in Australia passed the same type of law as Texas, banning TikTok on any government device or network.
@TheAres1999 28 күн бұрын
That makes sense. If the government gives you a smartphone for work purposes, it is 100% their business what you download on it. I can also see them being tighter on apps that collect your data while on their secured networks. For example, I know some exercise apps are banned on military bases, because they post the path of your jog, and that can reveal secret locations.
@acrazydurian 25 күн бұрын
it has the most business ties with the US, so it feels like the most yanky states to me
@Articulate99 20 күн бұрын
Always interesting, thank you.
@kevincronk7981 28 күн бұрын
11:08 I so expected an ad for a VPN right there
@andrewjgrimm 28 күн бұрын
I was expecting ads for incogni, or whoever deals with data brokers.
@NilesBlackX 28 күн бұрын
Definitely expected incogni advert
@Techydad 28 күн бұрын
I don't use TikTok, but I also don't support the ban. I definitely think some legislation is needed, but it should be a data protection/algorithm transparency law that applies to all social media platforms. If the same law applied to TikTok, Meta, X/Twitter, etc then there would be fewer constitutional issues.
@ZenoSsj4Hero 28 күн бұрын
Bro same
@joshuaa7266 28 күн бұрын
That's the main reason I dislike the ban, but I also don't want the government to be able to claim an app is a "threat" and effectively ban it. It gives them an easy way to disrupt media that they don't approve of.
@amoliski 28 күн бұрын
Meta, X-formerly-known-as-Twitter, etc... aren't injecting Chinese state media videos into people's feeds.
@DELUXEmenu 28 күн бұрын
Yea the ban is mega targeted and well funny thing is about these security concerns is tiktok actually has the highest security over the other 2 major social media companies here.
@davidmcgill1000 28 күн бұрын
Good luck getting China to conform to any foreign laws.
@williamgreen7415 27 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@auslandermercury972 28 күн бұрын
“Steve-O, Donald Trump, Johnny Knoxville” 🤣🤣🤣
@sir_ridley3886 28 күн бұрын
"I will make it legal." Senator Palpatine, who loves democracy and The Republic
@ralphmtsu 28 күн бұрын
I am the Senate. That will be a refreshing refrain come Jan 2025 when Trump returns to power... Somehow Trump returned!
@TheChrisLeone 28 күн бұрын
That made literally no sense at all, my man. The reading/writing comprehension of Trump supporters is notably lacking @@ralphmtsu
@seandobbins2231 28 күн бұрын
@@TheChrisLeonewhat is confusing there? The guy is being sardonic by referring to Trump's dictatorial tendencies and making a joke extending the Palpatine analogy from the original comment.
@rosefeather_ 28 күн бұрын
@@TheChrisLeonethem saying that Trump is going to come to power isn't even stating support to Trump, it's more outlining an inevitability. Dems' poor choice of candidate combined with the left's moral inflexibility regarding the Palestine issue makes this outcome extremely likely, and all the more terrifying because of that.
@ahadmrauf 28 күн бұрын
18:27 I love when massive software companies complain their code is too sophisticated and complex to replicate, like when game studios shut down public servers but don't even try to start community run servers.
@kodicraft 28 күн бұрын
Any serious infrastructure that wasn't designed explicitly for it from the very beginning takes absolutely insane amounts of effort to migrate, let alone turn into a publicly usable service. This is a matter of migrating source code, deployments, configurations, databases, schemas, cloud computing, business intelligence, analytics, all of this for every single step of a complex software stack. This is something most companies have completely given up on doing and spend a ton of money simply on the manpower and resources required to keep maintaining older infrastructure because migrations are so incredibly difficult and simply not worthwhile from a business standpoint, it would be physically impossible to migrate TikTok in that short period of time without extremely big subsidies and even then it likely could not happen in the required timeframe.
@amicloud_yt 28 күн бұрын
They'll say it's too sophisticated and complex to replicate and then sue 3rd parties when they develop an emulated server that works exactly like the original
@tinyclover3849 28 күн бұрын
@@amicloud_yt it's complex to replicate because you have to fit lawsuits into the process
@stevenfallinge7149 27 күн бұрын
Recommendation engines are usually a bit of basic math, they aren't exactly much of any trade secrets. But they do seem to be playing up the _appearance_ that it's sophisticated.
@AZaqZaqProduction 27 күн бұрын
Having worked at a large tech company, this is a *very* legitimate problem. TikTok is probably in large part written on top of proprietary tech stacks that are deeply and inseparably coupled with Bytedance. To actually pull off a divestment would basically require them to rewrite their entire codebase from scratch. And they'd have to do it all in a fraction of the time they did so the first time. They already have a reputation for working their engineers to the bone, so I don't think they could crunch any harder than they already have. There's just no way they could do it, I assure you. Like, imagine that you have a website, but instead of using a web framework like React, it's built off of a proprietary framework that your company owns. The framework has a completely different way of working than any other open source option. The only possible way to move off of it would be to do a full rewrite in some other framework. This is especially true in this case because this law specifically wants them to decouple from Bytedance's code, so no forking allowed. Now apply this to everything-a proprietary logging framework, a proprietary server management framework, and anything else required to make a functional website/app. Iirc Meta has made a similar defense with their own battling against forced divestment.
@lloydcc 28 күн бұрын
States/cities tried to ban the beetles from playing in their areas because it was offensive, dangerous, etc. Those people are mostly in office now.
@sage23ish 27 күн бұрын
That was a wild ad transition
@aBadWizard 28 күн бұрын
I have a crazy idea. Can we just criminalize the things that we don't want Tik Tok doing? That way we can protect American citizens from violations of their privacy in the name of profit.
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
I am A-OK with criminalizing government ownership/direct control of social media companies!
@normalchannel2185 28 күн бұрын
But then what about Poor meta? we need to understand, companies are people too, and they desereve profits! How else would they provide this service without taking our data? /s
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
@@normalchannel2185 Meh. They're terrible, but not government owned/controlled. I guess we can let them live a little bit longer...
@icantcomeupwithnames469 28 күн бұрын
But what the US government doesn't want tiktok doing is letting Palestinians exist.
@tzardelasuerte 28 күн бұрын
They could make a law that prohibits children under 18 on social media. But you know Meta/Facebook and X/Twitter will Not let that happen. They could also pass a federal privacy law but you know that again AMERICAN companies will not let it happen. This is so clear that America is owned by corporations but people keep being sheep of the left and the right camps.
@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia 28 күн бұрын
The problem I have with this situation is simply how hypocritical it all is. If it's a matter about protecting user data, then _no company_ should be allowed to collect the data of American users. Period. That, or companies should be extremely transparent about what they're collecting and allow users to opt out of these things. I'm the type of user who goes through all of my settings to enable/disable various functions. While I understand the national security aspect of the situation as well, a foreign entity can obtain user locations, personal information, etc from any tech company at this point. Perform a wide ban on the gathering/selling of user data, don't ban a single app because you don't approve of it.
@balzarinemythus50 27 күн бұрын
But it's not all a matter of user data. The problem is China. I honestly don't understand why people are ignoring that. Ask yourself this, do you think anyone would be talking about a Tiktok ban in the US if the company was owned by Japan?
@foxale08 27 күн бұрын
@@balzarinemythus50Question is how is China knowing where I am or doing a national security threat? My existence and national security don't overlap. I have zero access to classified information or any national decision making ability.
@Skasaha_ 26 күн бұрын
@@balzarinemythus50 The US having personal data is a threat to everyone else. It's all hypocritical.
@a_gamer8958 25 күн бұрын
@@balzarinemythus50 The problem is that the Chinese government can just buy our user data from American companies. Mobil service providers were just fined 200 million dollars for selling user data. No company can be trusted to hold our user data, American or not. There needs to be actual changes with regards to how companies store user data instead of targeting an app just because it is somewhat associated with China.
@HarvestStore 28 күн бұрын
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
@DavidBrinton-ig7yc 18 күн бұрын
Thank you @LegalEagle. This whole thing sounds very similar to the attempt to ban Rock n Roll to me
@PacesIII 28 күн бұрын
For an argument regarding classified information, the government would have to disclose sources and methods.
@snowissj 28 күн бұрын
And it’s not just the information, it’s how we get the information.
@mehere8038 28 күн бұрын
they can't have it both ways though, especially not with their history of attacking foreigners specifically to help their own citizens/companies under the guise of security etc, which then gets proven to be lies
@fluxuous6907 28 күн бұрын
@@mehere8038Yes but especially if some of these sources come from WITHIN CHINA then declassifying it before they are at least brought to safety would put their live at very high risk.
@mehere8038 28 күн бұрын
@@fluxuous6907 blar, blar, blar, that comment has no credibility to make after your last leader's antics does it! How many died cause of him declassifying/giving info to foreign governments again? CIA's description of the number of their operatives lost I believe was "alarmingly high" As the video discusses, none of this is credible, due to the time it has been continuing for -- has been ample time to do all of that!
@Viper607706 28 күн бұрын
@@mehere8038 they can, both spying on their own people and preventing others from spying on them in the name of national security is honestly rather reasonable as an arguement.
@biocapsule7311 28 күн бұрын
The best part is Mitt Romney and Anthony Blinken openly talks about at a conservative/libertarian event about how difficult it is for the US to control the narrative or America "PR" because of social media. It's so blatant.
@javierititin 28 күн бұрын
Hard to control the narrative with so many bot farms in adversaries' pockets yes.
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
Thankfully, when you're the CCP you don't have that problem, because TikTok propaganda is directly under your control.
@syedhussain9490 28 күн бұрын
PR for israel, the most sacred thing in USA
@rashid8646 28 күн бұрын
Since the backlash to the War on Terror and collapse in trust in US institutions the US government has been very concerned with using policy to fight wrongthink. There's no USSR to compete with, Russian propaganda is two-bit, China is terrible at soft power... so they keep passing off international and domestic hatred for US strategic policies as a scheme by foreign adversaries while the rift between US elite assumptions and positions and the moral sensibilities and concerns of the US public just grows.
@fathertimegaming17 28 күн бұрын
Go Jews!
@caseybidolf5712 19 күн бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Near v. Minnesota take precedence in this situation since the government can't ban speech based on national security reasons unless actively calling for violence, breaking the law, etc.
@moscuadelendaest 26 күн бұрын
Great news!
@elymanic3497 28 күн бұрын
Those reasons listed to be ban also happened on Facebook and KZfaq
@crazydinosaur8945 28 күн бұрын
"but they are US owned sooooooo" - US lawmakers
@elymanic3497 28 күн бұрын
@@crazydinosaur8945 in pretty sure they have Chinese shareholder
@dismurrart6648 28 күн бұрын
Imo, there's actual valid issues with tiktok being owned by a Chinese company specifically, and lawmakers are so inept that they go after the wrong issues with it.
@100c0c 28 күн бұрын
Not a bad reason at all. Something China does all the time. It's not wise to defend a foreign entity like this. @@crazydinosaur8945
@Nixeu42 28 күн бұрын
@@crazydinosaur8945 Legitimately why the law can't affect them. It specified that it be foreign owned. Which has all sorts of potential legal ramifications.
@cookiecomments846 28 күн бұрын
Will the app get blocked on phones that already have it or will it become a selling point like flappy bird?
@Dean_Cohen2y5 28 күн бұрын
That’s my question
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 28 күн бұрын
Or PT
@Swimmer326 28 күн бұрын
Depends on how tech literate the people who try to implement this are. Forcing app stores to just stop selling it would be a very poor way to make this stick,. My guess is that there will be an ISP enforced ban on the TikTok servers, so it will just not work in the country. Similarly to how other countries block reddit, cloudflare, explicit content, etc... This is a pretty effective way to do it, as anyone without a VPN will be out of luck. There really isn't a 100% solution, though.
@NickW855 28 күн бұрын
Well, the app won't have any servers to connect to for content if it gets shut down. At least Flappy Bird still works despite not being listed on stores; TikTok's content is online, so severing that connection renders the app completely useless. So no, it's not going to be a selling point and nobody needs to remotely remove the app from your phone, they just need to shut down the servers directing the app to its content.
@TintagelEmrys 28 күн бұрын
As the law is written the last time I read it, it would be illegal to even use a VPN to connect to it. Not only that it is illegal for the VPN to let you connect. This can also be applied to any company that the president deems a foreign threat or owned by a foreign threat.
@benevolentnerd5675 27 күн бұрын
I'd love to know to what extent if TikTok gets banned, do the arguments made against it provide legal precedent for any other online platform that is known to do the same thing? If TikTok is banned for fear of data collection it seems silly to then ignore everywhere else on the internet.
@ethanconte1101 26 күн бұрын
Excellent use of 'yutes' at 1:20. Judge Haller would be proud
@Toksynn 28 күн бұрын
"We support the free market! So long as we get to decide what's in the free market."
@sharper68 28 күн бұрын
Unless the free market rejects what the owner class wants people to do ....
@gasan6599 28 күн бұрын
Same for huawei
@darthparallax5207 28 күн бұрын
Moderation in everything is a wise course
@Krushak8888 28 күн бұрын
You do realize that its a psuedo free market. You literally can not sell snake oil in protection of consumers
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
@@gasan6599 Probably good that we banned Huawei, considering the geopolitical realities of the modern world.
@odorousobject8165 28 күн бұрын
So Montana's reasoning for wanting to ban TikTok is because teens might be convinced to do stupid things? Have they SEEN Jackass?
@christopherb501 28 күн бұрын
Somehow, SOMEHOW, every single generation makes the same exact error in judgment and thinks that stupid behavior is brand-spanking new, and invoked ONLY with an acceptable target and nothing else.
@VirginiaBronson 28 күн бұрын
Even that is regulated. It was rated R, and not viewable by teenagers at its debut without parental permission
@odorousobject8165 28 күн бұрын
@@VirginiaBronson there's the TV show that came first. Put all the warnings you want kids still find things to imitate. It's the same dumb argument used against video games and wrestling
@VirginiaBronson 28 күн бұрын
@@odorousobject8165 it’s not the same argument because it’s a hostile foreign power that’s holding the influence rather than a run of the mill, greedy American corporation. We can regulate American corporations. We can’t regulate China. We banned certain uses of lead because it was damaging children’s brains, and we should do the same thing here.
@davidmcgill1000 28 күн бұрын
Almost like it's the parent's responsibility to teach their child to not be an idiot.
@EgotisticalPear 21 күн бұрын
That would be great! It would give (the much superior) YT shorts its time to shine!
@clipsamuraii 27 күн бұрын
I just made a comic book about data privacy, visualizng ourselves in the web. Any advice on how to share it or publish it? Great video 👍🏼
@edawright448 28 күн бұрын
11:05 I thought we were about to get an Incogni advert, my brain has been poised and it wasn't even tiktok that did it
@Bromvolod 19 күн бұрын
Same 💀 Influencer marketing is a disease. I’m glad LegalEagle is not intrusive with it in the middle of a video and puts it at the end.
@NybergCarl 28 күн бұрын
What's galling about the criticism of TikTok is how these same people don't seem to have privacy concerns about other platforms (largely based in California).
@insertianameia2224 28 күн бұрын
Or the fact that China alone owns 384,000 acres of US soil. Out of the 43.4 million acres of IS soil owned by foreign countries, in addition to China's, there are ally nations of China that legally own our land. Banning tik tok won't do anything. If the Chinese government wanted to spy on us so bad, they could literally just above table, on the books, and perfectly legally just fly their people and do it in person without being stopped or raising any suspicions.
@TheDeathlyG 28 күн бұрын
I see your point. I'd like to add a point in favor of this ban that I don't see discussed at all. Let's be real, no country abusing a power will ever stop itself from using it. I'd like the EU or China to force the Cali companies to stop spying on people as well. TikTok 's ubiquitousness, similar to KZfaq or FB, could allow you to use multiple breaches to target at-risk groups like Journalists wherever they go. Since odds are, nearly everywhere they go will have someone with the app installed that could be used to piggyback. There will always be holes in phone security that allow apps to run microphones or cameras without alerting the user. There were some big 0-day patches earlier this year for multiple GPS apps for exactly that. The Internet of Things that we have built just means that even things seemingly innocuous to one person, can be deeply harmful to another.
@paperip1996 28 күн бұрын
Exactly. Weird how nobody's concerned that Google and Facebook make massive profits off of selling our data to companies in all corners of the globe.
@fathertimegaming17 28 күн бұрын
You know California is not a foreign entity right?
@MrGuy271 28 күн бұрын
Facebook is bad. The ccp is worse.
@johnathanoutland9453 27 күн бұрын
That transition into rocket money was brutal!
@chessenthusiast 27 күн бұрын
1:22 “pander to the youts…” I see what you did there, Mr Eagle. Amazing reference
@giaparmer 28 күн бұрын
That judge really said “you’re wrong at best racist at worst” 💀
@Tyler-ze4tg 28 күн бұрын
6:08 this segment sounds straight out of an Onion skit, I'm dying LMAO
@user-vr5oh3vp1p 12 күн бұрын
Lie： For security! Reality: For money
@Amphiron 28 күн бұрын
I would like to know how many members of congress fighting for the ban own shares in Meta or Google. I refuse to use Shorts or Reels if this ban goes through.
@specialnewb9821 28 күн бұрын
Even better. Short form video is trash.
@MorbidEel 28 күн бұрын
@@specialnewb9821 unfortunately it is going to stay. YT adding ads to shorts on desktop made me realize how effective it is. It is so much easier for an ad to blend in with the rest of the short form content. If I was an advertiser I would definitely be willing to pay more for ads on short form than long form.
@100c0c 28 күн бұрын
Good for you lol. If you feel this strongly about an app, you need a break anyways haha
@Atmatan_Kabbaher 28 күн бұрын
Chill bro you have 15 subscribers
@jlev1028 28 күн бұрын
KZfaq Shorts suck anyway. I hate that many of my favorite content creators are falling for that key-jangling trend.
@komabass 28 күн бұрын
This is what happens when you have people that couldnt set the clock on their VCR in the 80s making decisions about cutting edge technology.
@anondecepticon 28 күн бұрын
This^ With all the dinosaurs in Congress, it’s woefully easy for tech lobbyists to exploit their ignorance of the Big Scary Internet with fear-mongering bs about its supposed dangers.
@Jesus-hf2zo 28 күн бұрын
being a law student and seeing the detroid will breathe test feels so good
@xodiaq 27 күн бұрын
They needed to mandate that what info is being sent from the app is unobfuscated and transparent, without blanket terms. But as usual, the govt f’ed it up.
@larrywalsh9939 28 күн бұрын
Please do a 'laws broken' review of the original Ghostbusters! So. Many. Laws. Broken. "Why worry? Each of us is wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back." There's the explosion when their containment system was shut down - who's responsible? They didn't trigger the explosion, but they did create the situation. What if Peck had not shut down the grid but there was simply a blackout? If you set up something within civic boundaries which may explode if things go wrong, is that legally/morally the same as setting up a bomb and hoping it doesn't go off? Also, Peck marches into the building without identifying himself, without invitation, and without permission - he then threatens Janine with being arrested for "interfering with a police officer" even though he's... well... not a police officer. Don't such entries require something a little more formal, like the officers/agents/etc announcing themselves and why they're there, and immediately producing the warrant or writ or something? Also, there's all the damage the Ghostbusters caused to the hotel - who's liable? They were hired to come in but I doubt there was a contract in place stipulating who'd pick up the bill for property damage. Nor was the customer aware there would be property damage - they didn't even know how much the service would cost. Is that legal? When they fired at the maid, wasn't that Assault with a Deadly Weapon? Also, are there any legal restrictions on what equipment civilians may mount on a vehicle, such as sirens, blue lights, etc? Ghostbusters 2 invites TONS more legal analysis! The other Ghostbusters movies simply aren't worth discussing. Or watching.
@Sam_on_YouTube 28 күн бұрын
My father would probably be helpful there. He was one of the top experts in nuclear law in the 1980s in New York. He studied it in the 70s when he worked at the Tennessee Valley Authority. He told his boss he didn't know anything about nuclear law. He told my dad "that's OK, neither does anyone else. It's brand new. You study it and then you'll be the expert."
@Nixeu42 28 күн бұрын
@@Sam_on_KZfaq Of course it was the TVA that wanted that...for those unaware, Tennessee is home to Oak Ridge National Labs, which was the birthplace of the basic design of the most commonly used nuclear reactor (which was adapted from their military design). It's also where they chemically purified uranium ore for the Manhattan Project. It's still a major governmental research site, and has been home to the world's most powerful supercomputer on at least one occasion.
@Mando44646 28 күн бұрын
I'm far more worried about FB and especially Twitter under Musk than I am TikTok
@CocoNut-yd1ri 28 күн бұрын
If you truly believe this, then you're a prime example of why tik tok is dangerous. If you truly believe a hostile foreign power is safer than regulated American companies, then tik tok has altered your understanding of reality
@platypuspracticus2 28 күн бұрын
Facebook and Twitter are both amplifying and platforming white nationalists and other far right groups. This is far more dangerous to domestic interests.
@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 28 күн бұрын
You should be worried about ALL of them rather than thinking there are good guys with your best interests at heart. There aren't. This is an All Villain Cast
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
For all its many shortcomings, Twitter isn't under direct control of a government agency, like TikTok is.
@cmdraftbrn 28 күн бұрын
twitter is dead. and a fool pissed away 40+ BILLION dollars to be that fool.
25 күн бұрын
What I found the most strange on the issue of Tiktok that us politicians bring up is many of the issues the bring up with it also affect US companies in the exact same way except that the country in question is the U.S. instead of China. For example the Patriot Act allows for the U.S. to request data from U.S. companies with the companies being able that they have been breached by the US.
@NoName-mi8js 2 күн бұрын
Of course your government accessing your data is better than a hostile government doing so, right?
@EchoMountain47 20 күн бұрын
Devin, would love to get your thoughts on the OpenAI / Scar Jo situation
@JediBearBob 28 күн бұрын
One thing I'm sure of is that if it doesn't survive the court challenge that there will be another iteration of the law to address such concerns, whether it's broader or narrower, or both.
@xIQ188x 27 күн бұрын
Wait, you think Congress will further regulate data privacy? Because everything about our history suggests that they will use this law as an excuse for why they don’t need to pass any actual protections for Americans.
@TWDub 28 күн бұрын
Lol. I loved the use of "Yutes" in the first couple minutes. Bravo!
@korbell1089 28 күн бұрын
"What is a yute?" 🤣🤣🤣
@c.j.nyssen6987 28 күн бұрын
6:20 ...cooking "shicken" in NyQuil? You just reminded me of my Dutch auntie! 😊
@derradfahrer5029 27 күн бұрын
2:31 As a European (German) I had a good laugh here (Patriot Act, Freedom Act, Save Harbor Deal, Could Act)
@PXAbstraction 28 күн бұрын
There is no company in China that doesn't operate at the largesse of the CCP. Not a single one. Operating under the assumption that data within ByteDance's infrastructure can or is able to be used and abused by the CCP is not an unreasonable position.
@icantcomeupwithnames469 28 күн бұрын
How could the CPC use my data in any way that affects me? It's not like Google et al don't gladly hand over every single piece of information to the government that I live under that is capable of sending militarized police to detain (or worse) me at any time.
@Kapi.23 28 күн бұрын
as if the NSA isn't reading and classifying everything you do online lol (even mails)
@Nixeu42 28 күн бұрын
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 I wouldn't say it can't...but it's more than likely to use it against the US government. Who likes to keep that sort of information to themselves. You're assuming this is being done for the safety of citizens.
@icantcomeupwithnames469 28 күн бұрын
@@Nixeu42 I don't even know how the CPC could use my information against the American regime, but if there's any other information they want, they're free to contact me whenever.
@PXAbstraction 28 күн бұрын
@@Kapi.23 Whataboutism. There's plenty to talk about with American social media companies too, but that's not what's being discussed here.
@zolmation 28 күн бұрын
THe idea of an America-only version of tiktok should be a huge red flag for the government. They need to look into what happens to china-only versions of video games and see why it such a bad idea. Granted I think some coservatives would love the idea of an america-only version because they would be able to control the narratives easily
@insertianameia2224 28 күн бұрын
And that's what's scary. Our goverment is trying to do what we constantly criticize other nations, such asChina, for doing.
@thomasbecker9676 28 күн бұрын
It's not just conservatives. Have you ever met a "moral vegan?"
@EinsteinGuy 28 күн бұрын
@@thomasbecker9676 I am vegan for moral reasons. But I don't understand what you are implying. Can you please explain?
@AlastorsShadowDemon 28 күн бұрын
@@thomasbecker9676 Vegans aren’t trying to enshrine their moral values into law. As far as I know anyway.
@roym4457 28 күн бұрын
You know what the funny thing is? Tiktok is banned in China. They have their own version called Douyin. What's the American version gonna be called? Can't believe America and China are going down the same path. Do we need to use a VPN like what they do in China to access Tiktok.
@sarahwatts7152 27 күн бұрын
loving the My Cousing Vinnie reference: yutes
@jon.p. 22 күн бұрын
Accusing someone...for doing something...without evidence... where did I seen that before.
@LunDruid 28 күн бұрын
"It's not a ban, think of it as surgery to remove a tumor." That kind of talk is so red of a flag it's gonna make China's own flag jealous.
@emw8386 27 күн бұрын
especially from someone who then immediately resigned to work in the field of... *checks notes* private surveillance smh
@classifiedveteran9879 28 күн бұрын
Hey Legal Eagle! I would like to see you do "Laws Broken" in Taken 3. The way the evidence-eating detective at the end just let's him go is hilarious!
@schrodingerscat3741 28 күн бұрын
IDK maybe instead of writing a rediculous law to ban a singular company maybe they should have written a few to directly address the problems they claim to have with it!
@fakeshawn850 28 күн бұрын
In the video, you said "The TikTok ban though would stop anyone from using the app in the US if ByteDance doesn't divest itself." (at 17:01) I read the text of the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, and I don't see anything in the law that would stop anyone in the US from actually "using the app". From what I can see, the law says entities cannot provide app store services in the US, nor provide hosting services in the US, to distribute, maintain, or update the app for US users. I don't see anything in the law that would prevent someone who already has the app from continuing to use the app, without updating. I also don't see anything in the law that would prevent someone (on an OS that allows downloading apps outside app stores, like Android) from downloading or updating the app from websites hosted outside the US. Please correct me if I am wrong.
@jacqueshardin4601 28 күн бұрын
As much as TikTok sucks, I doubt anything good will come from this ban. I am especially worried about what precedent this ban will bring for other social media apps.
@topogigio7031 28 күн бұрын
That foreign terrorist agencies can't assault our cyber security?
@jeffreypeterson8386 28 күн бұрын
This
@roxsauce7862 28 күн бұрын
THIS! nobody talks about this part of it! i don't like tiktok and even i understand that this will set a precedent for authoritarian policy
@dismurrart6648 28 күн бұрын
@@roxsauce7862we already have limits on companies that can be owned by other countries. News media for example. That's actually why Rupert Murdock got us citizenship.
@MorbidEel 28 күн бұрын
@@roxsauce7862 The conspiracy theorist in me is wondering if that is the real play. China doesn't have "beat" the US. It just has to show "you and I, we are not so different after all".
@Bipolar.Baddie 28 күн бұрын
"The only government allowed to violate the 4th Amendment and privacy of American citizens is the US government"- US lawmakers
@Chefkraken 26 күн бұрын
Actually, thanks to the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, you can add Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand to that list too.
@CodMaplekiller 27 күн бұрын
How about just creating an actually decent data protection law that would apply to TikTok, as well as Meta, Google and X and solve a lot of problems in one constitutionally protected stroke?
@TheGibbie 26 күн бұрын
Hey question, ive watched a lot of slapp suits happen especially here on youtube. Can i write an amicus brief to the courts? It would be cool if you made a video on how thats done. Thanks
@ivory7182 28 күн бұрын
It sounds to me like a rehashing of the Red Scare...The TikTok scare!
@icantcomeupwithnames469 28 күн бұрын
It's a one-two punch of the ol' red scare _and_ some yellow peril for good measure.
@bullpup1337 28 күн бұрын
except its true… they DO have and use your data
@johntousseau9380 27 күн бұрын
That’s exactly what it is. ‘bUt tHeY cAn MaNiPuLaTe tHe AlGorHythM!,!? To do what? Attempt a coup? Oh wait, that was Twitter and Facebook. They’ve already given away the gig. They can’t control the narrative (on Israel). A bill pushed by APAC.
@Theo-oh3jk 22 күн бұрын
@@bullpup1337 You might want to look into Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and 5 EYES before you start saying stupid shit like you are right now.
@bullpup1337 22 күн бұрын
@@Theo-oh3jk I know about them. Not sure how that contradicts anything I said?
@lewatoaofair2522 28 күн бұрын
“You oppose TikTok because of its country of origin. I oppose TikTok for what it does to our collective cognition. We are not the same.”
@masterman9999 27 күн бұрын
That country of origin is making it that way. The Chinese version of tictok does not have the same stupidness that the rest of the world gets. Their tictok is separated from everyone else, which is why their argument about a US only one is stupid.
@TotalTimoTime 19 күн бұрын
0:42 You cant make this shit up. This is the most perfect sentence. OMG
@NRGvideoproduction 20 күн бұрын
Sick edit 🫶
@enkilm 28 күн бұрын
The reason that TikTok is put on sale is due to lobbying by Facebook and Instagram who are losing market share due to its popularity.
@GPBlue-zl3sx 28 күн бұрын
This actually makes more sense.
@Secret_Moon 28 күн бұрын
Not likely. Because if this law goes through, it would create a precedent for similar laws in the future against those social media platforms as well. Facebook is already having trouble about antitrust with the government. It doesn't need to get bigger.
@Bertinator-nm9ld 28 күн бұрын
Why was Grindr forced to be sold, then? And why were Huawei phones banned? Those were very directly related legislative actions. Were those done because of Facebook lobbying, too?
@sweet_blasphemy 28 күн бұрын
💯 ... the natsec/algorithm concerns are probably not entirely without merit, but this is what it's truly about. most of the articles are paywalled (bc of course) but if you google something like "tech billionaires who helped ban tiktok" you can catch the gist of it
@foxale08 27 күн бұрын
That and the pro-palistian content as referenced by the author of the bill.
@TatankaTaylor 28 күн бұрын
The ban is limited to the US. And only to official stores. Anyone will still be able to access the app through an APK download. Also, the ban is limited to the USA. The rest of the world will see no effect from this ban besides possibly some US accounts going under. Thing is, ByteDance will NOT sell.
@gasan6599 28 күн бұрын
And apk download provides more opportunity for viruses and malware
@jcskyknight2222 28 күн бұрын
@@gasan6599 Which is amusing given what viruses and malware can do and some of the places it might originate from…
@sharniek002 28 күн бұрын
Or just access foreign versions of the app via a VPN, or sidrload it with a VPN.
@AGILISFPV 28 күн бұрын
Google is not stupid man. They know when youre using a vpn to get around the app store geo requirements. @@sharniek002
@AdamSmith-gs2dv 28 күн бұрын
Depends on how far the government and Bytedance go, they could geolock it which would mean you would need a rooted phone to spoof your GPS location
@scittw22 27 күн бұрын
If this actually happens it'll result in a huge surge of jailbroken phones
@Dr_1212 28 күн бұрын
New Eagle 👍
@marcialaboo3996 28 күн бұрын
Remember all that craziness that Tom Green did on MTV back in the 90s that was definitely inappropriate for teens/kids? ... the world before the internet was just as crazy when it comes to expression
@Nixeu42 28 күн бұрын
My first thought was that I might have found another fan of _The Red Green Show._ Which, while not that insane, definitely has some ideas that one should never try in reality. Alas, _The Tom Green Show_ was something entirely different, and came three years after it started. Which, since Tom Green is also Canadian, might have been deliberate.
@KoopaMedia64 28 күн бұрын
The Red Green Show is legendary
@samuelgibson780 28 күн бұрын
Exactly. Banning a social media app because you don't like people doing ridiculous stuff for arbitrary reasons is... about the most unamerican thing I can think of.
@shafeenshahid 28 күн бұрын
Glad to hear your voice back
@firepoet6926 26 күн бұрын
A good video to make might be a response to the switch joy cons case being dismissed some people are going around saying the lawyers made all the money, seems like a good talking point for your channel, how much do the lawyers get and how much work did they have to do.
@Starboy_5180 26 күн бұрын
I clicked off this video genuinely thinking it was over because of the mid video ad
@deawinter 28 күн бұрын
That list of problematic content on TikTok just sounds like an indictment of Mad TV from a couple decades ago.
@AZaqZaqProduction 27 күн бұрын
Do we want to get into the discussion about how modern "social media bad" discourse is just the next moral panic? As comic books, Dungeons and Dragons, and violent video games before, now we have this. Like where are all these videos on my fyp? I've never seen them.
@kdefensemartialarts8097 28 күн бұрын
Thank you for your videos.
@richardbeckenbaugh1805 25 күн бұрын
When Montana and Idaho tried to ban ticktock they were hauled up short by the federal courts for first amendment and bill of attainder violations. If the U.S can declare national security violations for this, they can declare anything is a national security violation. Thing is, U.S. companies hold more information about Americans than anyone else and anyone can buy it if they want it. The argument against ticktock makes no sense whatsoever. Which they are currently making in federal court.
@Mattebury 21 күн бұрын
I watch the video and enjoyed it a lot. But.... I was just curious if you ever thought about going through the new FTC final ruling on the non compete. This affects a lot of us out there and would like a deep dive on more about it.
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