Well, here we are. The beginning of the moss revolution

Mojang: We support the technical community, we added sculk sensors Ilmango: *moss*

It's kind of funny to think that, even If the Warden just drops XP, ilmango will be farming these a hour after the snapshot

The netherite pickaxe is the only tool that dosen't have any special instamining properties ( you can instamine anything you can with a diamond pickaxe with a netherite pickaxe ) I think that grimstone should fill that gap and make it so that you need an efficiency 5 netherite pickaxe with haste two in order to mine.

With Scicraft, *Anything* is possible.

I think the most feasible thing Mojang can do is make Netherite Efficiency 5 Haste 2 pickaxes able to insta-mine Grimstone, but Diamond ones cannot. That way the logic of the block being harder the lower you are can be retained without sacrificing the ability to insta-mine.

You can't forget they are going to be adding different cave environments which might not be moss-able.

I like how moss is a viable option for perimeter building, it adds a little bit of variety to the process

If each one of your subscribers digs a 2x2 hole down to bedrock, you can probably do it.

Short answer: Yes Long answer: *SCICRAFT ONLY*

I think mojang has said that if they remove TNT duping they will add a suitable alternative, so we shouldn't be too worried about not being able to make perimiters/other things like it.

This is really important information thank you

honestly without tnt duping or sand duping, making a perimeter is impossible for normal player. Because, you come back from works/schools and you just mine for several day or even weeks ? as a team maybe but in solo just unthinkable.

Now imagine how rad an entire cave of moss would look

I wonder if mojang will ever change it so there is something between instamine and the current fastest non instamine speed, that harsh boundary between going at 1 block per tick and 1 block per 8 ticks is quite insane.

with movable block entities you could not only bonemeal the moss automatically, but lava the drops automatically so as not to produce lag, which would prob be faster then insta mining

"not that much of a difference". mango. that is two days. almost two and a half real-life days of difference.

The moss technique looks like it can be used to mine tunnels with bonemeal in off hand and the correct tool in other

I feel like you're not counting the fact that there are a lot more big caves below y=0, of course, every block that is occupied by a cave wouldn't need to be mined, I don't think it is that big of a difference, but I don't think it is negligible either

If tnt duping is removed maybe we could guide withers around to destroy everything. It would be dangerous and slow but definitely possible.

Making a perimeter is already hard even with tnt

POV: You are watching this when it’s called deepslate

i got an idea, cover the area you're turning into moss with a few water buckets to automatically get rid of grass so its easier and quicker to bonemeal, then use depth strider boots. idk could be faster.

Maybe consider buffing netherite pickaxes. They don’t make much of a difference beside higher durability than diamond ones before so it would definitely make upgrading to them much more valuable. With the expansion of the entire world maybe Mojang should actually make the new tool tier more useful in this way?

Something simple for the MBE series: a flying machine "sweeping away" items using lava.

Ilmango: There’s a big problem with grimstone because we cannot instamine it Bedrock Players: Ah how you’ve joined the dark side

I just have to say that your videos are great, you always are very informative and right to the point, I was thinking about all of these changes and was gonna test it for myself but you already did it so I don't have too, I feel with all of your videos you have saved many people lots of time.

I think he included two different takes of the same segment lol edit: and in the pinned comment he said he fixed it (Should take a few hours) If the developers wanted to make renewable sand they could make something similar to snow layers where sandstorms produce sand sheets. Maybe make them sink players who stand on them

Netherite picks need just enough of a speed boost to instamine stone with Efficiency V & Haste I and grimstone with Efficiency V and Haste II. At the moment, there's not a big enough incentive to get netherite tools when the only real difference is durability and you can get unlimited free diamond tools from villagers.

kinda funny how bonemeal is the most centralizing base material that you need in this game

Yes, with patience

Bedrock edition players without tnt duping: welcome to the club

"This can be considered cheaty" Proceeds with TNT duping.

Making Grimstone weak enough to instant-mine with Netherite is a pretty sensible option, but I think it would be cool if there was a Void Affinity enchantment that worked like Aqua Affinity and boosted your mining speed but only when you’re below Y=0.

I absolutely love watching this guy, so smart and brings me so much motivation on continuing to add more to realms server

Also, it's not just a problem concerning perimeters and super technical players. It affects anyone who wants to build anything which requires an area underground being dug out - like underground bases, or minigames like those seen on Hermitcraft

1:24 Can we all just appreciate how smooth that landing was?

This update would be the perfect chance to bump up the usefullness of netherite. If they made the netherite pick slighlty more effecient. They could make it possible to insta mine grimstone only with an efficiency V haste II netherite pick. On the otherhand I get the feeling that grimstone being unable to insta mine is probably intentional in order to make mining more difficult again.

A very complete overview of the mining times, good to know, thank you.

i realy respect you doing hard work to figure out a way for people who do not want to use dupers. that efforth is golden i say. specialy from someone who allready has a very well optimised methood of automatic quary

Grimstone should be instamineable with netherite tools

I was scared that its not instant-mined I didnt know that ilmango will be so fast

My biggest hand dug perimeter was 21x21 chuncks and that took a really long time but it looked great in the end and I actually found a mineshaft inside the bedrock while digging out a chunck. The mineshaft generated some wood blocks where there should've been bedrock and there was some exposed void. Pretty cool for me since I never really remove bedrock.

I love all of your videos and am always looking forward to them

I really hope that if they add a faster way to remove grimstone, they find some way to make it more interesting than just instamine.

players: you won't be able to mine perimeters by hand in 1.17 me: are you challenging me

Thats a really smart solution, well done

Thank you, very informative

One thing I really do like is that the blast resistance of these blocks is the same as normal stone at least. That means that TNT blasting becomes a very legitimate strategy for mining.

4:34 - I heard this laugh.

I was actually waiting for this video. I got on a snapshot world yesterday and realized turning everything into moss and breaking it with a flying machine would probably be the new way to mine out large areas. He got on this soooo fast haha.

This is going to make things on Titancraft more interesting next season. Currently we’ve already finished two “standard “ 18x18 chunk perimeters in the over world and have a couple dozen chunks left for one in the nether and are about 75% through a 475 x475 in the over world. Yeah those in our build team are gluttons for punishment.

I think there should just be a way to instamine grimstone. That or Mojang could just make it unnecessary to do the whole massive perimeters or despawning thing altogether by finally giving us some way to control mob spawns (beacon effect please).

Could be fixed if they gave netherite slightly higher mining speed so you can instamine grimstone with it. That way grimstone is still tougher than stone and it doesn't affect diamond tool instamining stone from before

using the moss is so genius!! this video is awesome!

cant wait to see ilmango do a crazy bottom to top perimeter builder with the moss mechanic. im imaging a lava floor for items, flying machines that try to push up to destroy liquids, and the player going back and forth bonemealing the stone into oblivion.

Me, playing FTB: *quarrying intensifies*

I’m not full time minecrafter, I won’t spend 250 hours mining a small perimeter, I am going to suggest haste 3 potions and if they don’t add it I will create a data pack to instamine grimstone

Something that they have also discussed is layered stone generation, where this strategy for mining out a perimeter would be helped by a 1-2 block thick layer of andesite at that level

im sure you can make a flying machine that bonemeals and then breaks the moss blocks. When you bonemeal extra stuff spawns and a piston in the front could break that making roam for the bonemeal.

Did you rerecord one of the clips and put in both clips anyways? Kinda funny since you essentially repeated the same thing twice. Otherwise cool video

with moveable dispensers you could probably automate the entire process. you would probably have to dig all the way down and place the seed blocks of moss for bonemealing but then a flying machine to bonemeal everything and clear it out would probably be doable.

Huh, I hadn't considered using moss. That's a very creative way to dig a big hole in grimstone. I like it!

For the item lag issue, it would be best to break the moss from the side with a solid block. This way, the item are shoved together, allowing them to stack up. As for the removal, it would be best dig out a 1-block trench going down to bedrock on both side of the perimeter and put some lava at the bottom. To my knowledge, this is the simplest way to circumvent item lag, since more sophisticated contraption like movable water streams or hopper minecarts are an order of magnitude more complex to set up (I've tried to make one :/). The only downside to the lava moat would be top of the noise caves, since the items will fall before they can aggregate, but since they generate rarer, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Who else watched perseverance land

You forgot, that moss can't deal with ores. So you can't just convert to moss and sweep. You will need to mine each ore block on the layer too. A lot of switching between pickaxe and bonemeal too, and you'll probably want to gather ores, not just leave them (at least diamonds). Which is a pain, because of a tons of moss blocks and foliage laying around and need to carry tons of bonemeal with you. So it will definitely slow you down a lot.

It would be cool to see a mushroom based perimeter in one of your MBE videos, have the flying machine start at the bottom with nyleum (or however you spell it) and bonemeal dispensers, and destroy blocks by growing the mushrooms and get pushed upwards. It could probably even do multiple layers at a time, although dealing with the mushroom and stems left behind could be hard. Either way, I think a bottom to top perimeter maker instead of top to bottom would be cool. Grimstone may also be easier to mine manually like this anyways, digging intermitent layers, placing mushrooms, then instamining with hoes and axes the grown mushroom that replaces the grimstone

Hey ilmango, your videos are really great! I was wondering for the moss quarry machine you made in your latest MBE video, if the player could ride the machine and if need be, place down a moss block wherever it's necessary? Also, just as a random question, have you considered trying out Bedrock edition for a little bit as a fun, weird, and buggy distraction?

Ah yes, Grimstone

This will be a nightmare for the people in the Sci-Craft server. Yeah higher build limit, but the deep caves and underwater caves will be a chore. Are yall planning to update to 1.17 or not because of this?

Mango: lighting up caves is a little bit cheaty Also Mango: we can use a tnt duping machine

I think I may have a solution that will make both parties happy. The main reason grimstone isn't instaminable is because they want to add mining strategies (do I want speed, or do I want a lot of ores in less space?). So basically, you want to not be able to find ores quickly in the grimstone. But when we're digging perimeters, we don't want ores, we want space. So we could use something else (a special pickaxe, enchantment, maybe even a special tool) that will instamine the blocks, but may not give drops on some or all of the ores it mines. So on the one hand, you're wasting the ores, but on the other hand, you're clearing out space. You might be able to catch yourself and switch to another pickaxe before you destroy ores, but in my opinion that's just better because it could add some risk to mining. It's the kind of interesting tradeoff that would make GMTK bubble with joy, while also providing a useful alternative to the technical community.

ilmango: prefers not to light up caves because it requires cheating also ilmango: duplicate a million TNT to delete the world

Wonder if they could make some new type of tnt or something that makes a much bigger hole.

My idea is using a warden drop or material from the deep dark caves to make haste potions or something that can let a netherite pickaxe with a haste 2 beacon. That’d make it a really difficult thing to obtain all the time, but still possible for cases where you’re mining lots of grimstone.

I lit up all the caves manually around a few of my bases, but it took months of playing in the same area and doing all my mining in the area, and occasionally hearing a mob growl while running down another mineshaft and finding another small dark pocket. That being said unless your mob farm is putting out the mob cap constantly, a few small pockets beyond the short no-despawning range probably don't make a difference.

Hey! Im currently making ur slime farm, i started digging 6 months ago, almost done

question: did you take into account the bigger cave cavities compared to the earlier works generation?

I just created a prototype for using lava cauldrons to burn the moss items as you punch out the moss, it does not get all the moss but most of it. The only issue is that the light updates make for some terrible lag... are we able to suppress light updates to prevent them from happening while running such a device. the other option would be to use hopper minecarts to pick up all the moss and then have it get removed at an end station but unless we ever get movable tile entries cant think of a good collection system that we could move down with the machine that could either burn of compost the moss.

interesting video, but i have a few things to say : - if people are handmining a perimeter, usually they want to also keep a bit of the items, so converting to moss isn't really an option unless a lot of other perimeters have already been dug out and there is way more than enough of the new stone for decoration purposes in storage for exemple - digging out a perimeter isn't really that much about the total time, i would honestly be just as fine mining a perimeter that is twice as big, the issue is with how long it actually takes to mine the blocks themselves : when digging large areas, not instantmine is boring. It's okay for end island for exemple, since it is a one time thing anyway, and usually around 1.1 or 1.2 millions endstone, which is less than 3 millions extra from digging out a perimeter - setting up a beacon would anyway be done so that can instantmine at the top, can just setup beacon at y -59 or whatever, the 1 gametick faster isn't really that significant

Im going to give you hint what my group uses to make perimeters on a vanilla surivial server. Withers make amazing nukes if used properly. 7x7 in a couple days of afking, with only a couple withers.

Can you upload schematics of your 1.16 world-eater and 3 way trench maker?

If the player reach isn't as big to go to -64 oldo amazing video and i think you could add a player bonemealing moss inthe sweppersand the machine removes all of the azaleas

A factor to consider is that the new caves are pretty big, creating gaps of air blocks that wouldn't require mining just a thought to consider

We need haste III!

Sure it’s possible, it will just take 4 generations

I feel as though we could use haste 6 or make netherite a little faster. At the point in the game where you have netherite, mending, haste, and a full beacon (or several) there at least need to be a next step to that netherite pick to be USEFUL beyond more durable diamond. There needs to be a final upgrade that allows instamining grimstine even if its only a temporary non farmible one like a rare potion.

I think they should consider a haste potion that stacks with the beacon

I just really, REALLY hate how the grimstone looks

When will scicraft get updated?

I think it's also worth noting mini perimeters. While you want a radius of 128 blocks to stop mobs from spawning, you can reduce the number required by simply reducing render distance when afking at the farm. In theory your perimeter can be as small as 9 chunks (48x48) Though you'd probably still want a circle and still do a diameter of 128 instead of 256. That cuts the size of the hole in half. And perimeter farms are so efficient that one afk session of leaving minecraft running while you're asleep is gonna last you ages.

500 hours? Yeah I'm up for the challenge then! Nice to have actual numbers for this, thanks!

"Using spectator mode might feel a bit cheaty. Anyway, here's my TNT duper."

imagine spherical perimeters entirely underground!

I really like the idea of having uncapped enchanting levels, at least for efficiency 5+ because it takes longer and longer to get a higher level of efficiency, for example efficiency 7 pickaxe would require 100+ efficiency 1 pickaxes. If you were using maxxed pickaxes from an enchanting table getting efficiency 4 diamond picks for combination this would eventually make an artificial limit of something like efficiency 10-12 where you'd need 50+ pickaxes to get to that high of a level but still allow for instamining most materials given the dedication. It also creates an interesting Netherrite economy where you may save your netherrite until you have an efficiency 7 or 8 pickaxe and only then convert it to a netherrite one, making every combination after converting to netherrite also require an extra Netherrite ingot. Just some things I've noticed playing survival with uncapped efficiency enchants.

This may sound stupid but what about an enchantment you can put on a pickaxe called maybe like hardness (like when you harden the steel at the end of a tool) that would allow you to negate the affects of the hardness of a block. Making efficiency and haste more effective and adding another way for them to control mining speed.

People who consider ,,tnt dupe cheating" shoud question themselves -why?

I really think that grimstone should be instant mine with netherite and not with diamond (with haste 2 obv) because right now netherite is kinda useless except for a very small durability increase.

They just need to add an X-Ray potion. That would make cave marking practical. If they want to make it so it can't be used to find hidden player bases they could create X-ray proof blocks that you could line your bases with. (Lead?) People could still see a dark spot without caves, but small bases could still be hidden pretty easy. They could make it so it just shows tunnels and doesn't highlight ores. Either that, or maybe when you break a spawner you could get a spawner shard. Combine a spawner shard with the drop for a specific mob and you create a spawn inhibitor. So, you break a spawner, combine it with rotten flesh and it creates a zombie inhibitor that prevents zombies from spawning within the range, as if you had a perimeter, but you'd need one for each mob you wanted to exclude and you'd have to find the spawners.