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Is it really worth upgrading your cheap Apple dongle DAC?

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Forever Analog

Forever Analog

2 ай бұрын

2 reasons you might want to consider upgrading your dongle DAC (and whoa mama it might have nothing to do with sound!)
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@earthoid
@earthoid 2 ай бұрын
At only $10 the Apple DAC would seem to be the deal of the century. How did it ever make it to market at that price considering that Apple likes to overprice everything?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
That’s such a great question!
@JessicaFEREM
@JessicaFEREM 7 күн бұрын
The only issue is that the apple DAC doesn't play nicely with android since android expects the hardware volume to be set at 100% by default and it controls it in software, which the apple dongle doesn't default to. there are workarounds but they're hacky and some cost money. other than that you may have issues with in line controls not working since apple-configured DACs expect the mic and ground to be flipped which most headphones don't do.
@earthoid
@earthoid 7 күн бұрын
@@JessicaFEREM That figures. Apple likes to do things their own way, so if you haven't bought into their more expensive products then I guess you don't deserve to use a cheap DAC.
@heloiamerk
@heloiamerk 5 күн бұрын
Love using the Apple dongle for my IEMs, I find that even when I forget to set it to full volume on UAPP, it still drives most of my IEMs at about ~80% volume on my Samsung phone. I do however also carry a Fiio BTR15 for a more portable setup, and a Fiio KA13 when I need a bit of power. I forgot to bring my KA13 to a headphone store and missed out on being able to properly demo some headphones as the Apple dongle didn't cut it in terms of power. I haven't tried to sit down and properly compare all my sources (including a Meizu Hifi Pro and a Fiio K7), but there's no obvious difference that'd make me do a double take between any of them when I switch between DAC/AMPs.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 5 күн бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for watching and sharing!
@paulkent6846
@paulkent6846 2 ай бұрын
Same experience for me. I have a number of portable dacs, including the dragonfly cobalt and chord mojo. My ears don’t distinguish much sound quality difference, maybe different sound flavours though. However, the volume they can achieve with hard to drive headphones is essential. But with my Shure SE535 in ears, the Apple dongle is plenty good enough. Thanks for the video.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 2 ай бұрын
Interesting question..I hate carrying my phone everywhere when I’m using a tethered iem ..so I went with an IFI GO BLUE..and I’m very happy with that feeling of great sound without carrying both a phone and dongle 😎
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
That sounds great. Thank you for sharing!
@gwine9087
@gwine9087 18 күн бұрын
The only issue, there, is that BT cannot handle hi-res.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 18 күн бұрын
@@gwine9087 True..but the question is ..does it sound good to you ..especially when using IEM’s 😊 Have a great weekend
@marcparsons1726
@marcparsons1726 2 ай бұрын
Got the IFI Go Blu and I like the versality and realistic bass boost. Any gripes with any of them is volume limits. All acceptable these days!
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and for sharing!
@Drakken2030
@Drakken2030 Ай бұрын
If I can make a suggestion, the fiio ka13, the qudelix 5k, are both under 100 dollars and they provide a stark difference in sound from each other and from the apple dac.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog Ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to check those out!
@jackieblank4249
@jackieblank4249 2 ай бұрын
Hi Bob. I have that If I go link hooked to my tablet. Sounds amazing. I use a douk line level booster to get a little more gain and control of the volume on the tablet.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
Awesome. Thank you for sharing!
@aldorp
@aldorp Ай бұрын
I think you needed better DAC's (not necessarily more expensive) for this test to be worth it and to hear some real differences. I had similar experiences at the beginning with portable DAC’s. Is not about the amount of money as much as getting something current and well implemented. Some recommendations for the future: Hidizs SD2: $46 (right now it has a 15% discount in Amazon), very solid performance for the money and only DAC I have with MIC input. Meizu HIFI Pro: $23 (Considered one of the very best dongles for the money, value budget king) TANCHJIM Space Portable: $89 , maybe the best dongle at that price point and very small HiBy FC4: $80 (but many times at $60 with coupon at Amazon), the DAC that converted my kids to the dark side. The difference from their cheap $10 - $15 dongles was just too great to ignore. I almost wasn’t able to get it back.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog Ай бұрын
Awesome I’ll check those out thank you!
@bifff8433
@bifff8433 2 ай бұрын
The Apple dongle DAC kills at it's price. Sure, you're right, it does not drive my Sennheiser 660S2 well but it is perfect when paired with my Beyer DT770 Pro 32 ohm headphones and my Moondrop Starfield IEMs.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
I’d love to try some moon drop IEMs soon!
@benjamenYTDeadTheGamer
@benjamenYTDeadTheGamer 2 ай бұрын
How loud would you say your 660S2s get?
@bifff8433
@bifff8433 2 ай бұрын
@@benjamenYTDeadTheGamer I'd say that depends on what I am using as the source but I do tend to hear distortion creep in when I turn the source up using the Apple dongle. I don't listen at high volumes (around 75db usually) but I'd say I have way more headroom using one of my dedicated headphone amps. They sound fantastic on my Pietus Maximus or my Ragnarok.
@gabesvidz
@gabesvidz 13 күн бұрын
My iPhone 6 Plus has a 3.5 headphone jack and doesn’t need a Dac. I use it as a stand alone music player. They are cheap to buy.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 13 күн бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for sharing!
@onmywatch9165
@onmywatch9165 26 күн бұрын
Using Apple Dongle with my planar magnetic Hifiman and i need to beef up the volume to around 70-80 percent to achieve my normal listening db comparing to powered amp that only uses 40-50percent. Still workable if you just need something lighter than a dac-amp dangling on your phone 😂
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing!
@guestgoogle4979
@guestgoogle4979 2 ай бұрын
Really liked this comparison video. I also wanted to point out the apple dongle isn't actually a DAC; it's just an adapter that allows the use of the phones internal DAC because phones don't generally have headphone jacks anymore. The analog signal is sent from the internal DAC to pins on the USB/Lightning port, and the dongle simply transforms those pins into a 3.5mm jack. This is the reason for the level difference between your iPhone and the Android phone and really speaks to the higher quality of the iPhone's internal DAC.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and for sharing!
@f9ekntuf7d1jwn9
@f9ekntuf7d1jwn9 Ай бұрын
apple dongle is not just a adapter. that include DAC chip. Every phone has internal DAC. if you using wired headphones with dongle? external dongle DAC works. using speaker, internal DAC works.
@richardbutler5504
@richardbutler5504 2 ай бұрын
I'm nopt a headphone user but just play most music in the car or PC. Playing WAV tracks on ad android phone sounds poor with or without a dongle DAC (Dragonfly Cobalt or Astell & Kern HC3). Using an iphone 6S however, the sound is better even with no DAC, better with the Cobalt and much better with the A&K HC3. I don't know why the iphone 6S is better than android (Samsung/Oppo) but it really is. The only issue is that the iphone is knackered for anything else but music and has only enough room for 150 tracks. Sounds great though and improves the PC as well. But WHY? I assume the output from Apple iphone is better than adroid?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 2 ай бұрын
I think it varies by android phone but some reduce the output power but you can download an app to fix it. I saw this in a similar dongle video on iiWi Reviews
@Sugurain
@Sugurain 2 ай бұрын
I have an LG G8 android, it has a built in quad DAC and a 3.5mm headphone jack. My brother got a LG V60, which has these same features and also sounds great even with big headphones. These were probably the last android phones to take audio quality seriously. They are really cheap nowadays, so if you don't require the latest specs you could give them a try.
@amanieux
@amanieux Ай бұрын
i could not hear much of a difference between my apple dongle and my chord mojo ( there is one but it is a minuscule difference) with em6L
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@onmywatch9165
@onmywatch9165 26 күн бұрын
And to say .. mojo is a wallet heavy dac amp! Haha😅
@amanieux
@amanieux Ай бұрын
I did compare apple dongle to chord mojo and i also could not hear a difference
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Bovineicide
@Bovineicide Ай бұрын
I use a $8 aliexpress dongle dac on android and pc. It's loud enough for my needs lol. edit: I basically only listen to IEMs now
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! What’s your favorite IEM right now?
@gwine9087
@gwine9087 18 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, no matter how good the Apple dongle is, it does not play well with Android.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 18 күн бұрын
Very true. Thanks for the reminder!
@fortisflumen1371
@fortisflumen1371 19 күн бұрын
Were you listening to it at the highest possible audio quality?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 19 күн бұрын
Yeah via Tidal
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