Good idea just to get the Gruul one for the stompy ground? Some of the other cards would also be nice, but mostly for the land.

right. At least they could have had them with different art or something, yikes

I had to rewind that bit. Surely it couldn't be what it looked like...

I just made a similar comment a moment ago I am so confused I thought the point was making it less cumbersome to have access to multiple creatures on less cardboard😅

@@originofsin2605 I think I found where the additional cost went

Ayy same. Only I'm only 31, you old bastard. :)

Welcome HExi! Good journeys through the multiverse ^^

I hope you have fun, know the company you are buying from hates you.

oof not a good time to start giving money to a company that hates you, wotc is straight up crackheads now.

@@sergiolandz6056 I only bought one deck. Then i built another. I'm avoiding giving them as much as possible.

Omg are you the guy who makes the funny posts on the duel links subreddit?

Not enough of them will be printed in these to make the price go down. With the new players these bring in, and the demand they create, those prices might even go up!

The Shock Lands are nice but is seems that they keep reprinting the same Shock Lands instead of spreading them around. Steam Vents was in 2020's Allied Fires Challenger Deck; Stomping Grounds, Godless Shrine, and Watery Grave were all in Eldraine's Brawl decks along with Hallowed Fountain. 2019's Deadly Discovery had Overgrown Tomb. Now the Japanese only Challenger decks may have had a couple Sacred Forge and a Breeding pool but they're no the English card and are still amoung the highest priced one.

Way ahead of ya

including only 1 shock land will not help reduce the price. In order to reduce the price it would need to include a playset of every shockland of the used colors of the deck.

A+

9:17 also it’s Karplusan not Karpulsan. I pass too!

Magic are smart and don't affect the secondary value of cards too much

Fatal push too. That's a huge one

They won’t be. It’s too low of a print tun and these sell with high enough regularity, their cost won’t drop to have a major impact.

@@matthewradabaugh1635 Cost might even go up with the new players these bring in and their added demand for more of these.

Gruul Stompy looks phenomenal, and I hate gruul

Ty for enriching the richer of us

... on the cardmarket YT channel they did play the decks.

I was extremely disappointed too. Temporal Tresspass, Massacre and shredder and even fable to ease the price-pressure, but well. Its 2022 ill guess :D

I honestly don't expect wizards to give us anything, they've already proven they just don't care, and want the secondary market prices high to boost profit.

They design these decks based on previous year's meta. Fable and Shredder did not exist on 2021. 🤷‍♂️ Exhibit A: those 2x expressive iterations

Extremely disappointed on this decks. Big sad. Only value is braking them apart.

@@enricomassignani Well, then let me phrase it like this: Their Method suck. *shrug*

Agreed. Basically we need a Supreme Verdict in Dimir colors rather than just Azorious. An uncounterable Damnation if you will.

White Blue control has been archetype for a long time but I also really like the control elements that black brings to table.

Mono green control when? Target creature counters spell with mana value less than its power, target creature fights target enchantment, etc. 😛

I mean. Its not at the same level of Azorious. But Gabriel Nassif has been finding success in UB and 5-0 league dumps feature at least one UB list. But they did forget to put in the win conditions in this list.

@@xx-cj6ew "Counter target spell if you control a Llanowar Elves and a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx" for 1 mana.

Maybe after we see what is revealed. Crazy how fast it sold out and we only know five cards.

@@grenadesonfire the full list was reveled before the sale started

He's talking about the October drop. The Warhammer one. Not the 30th anni SL....

@@breeze7464 i'm talking about both products

@@nach4249 the 30th anni SL didn't even release in October though.....?

I suppose it will. The prices dropped with its reprint in a Baldur's Gate Commander Precon quite a bit for a short amount of time. The Pioneer Challenger rwprint should at least provide the samw effect.

I've been watching a bunch of Gab's pioneer videos ever since the decklist for Dimir control was spoiled, since he also brewed with versions of it, but that Day's Undoing list he's been running is pretty sweet! Might shift my own control list to it at some point.

Missed this comment and said the same thing!

It was already a deck, Narset Undoing is just the latest rendition

A decklist closer to the precon literally just won a pioneer challenge on mtgo

Same here. I've been running across various MTG videos on youtube and it hit the nostalgia nerve and has me wanting to play again. Played from 1997 - 2003/2004 and sold all of my cards off shortly thereafter. Have just played some of the PS3 game back in the day and Arena here and there with the free decks they give you (just against the PC, not other people). I didn't play in tournaments back then, so just casual with friends, but seeing all of the formats these days and seeing videos of strategies in tournaments over the past decade+ is crazy, like the win conditions people go for over the way I used to do it by brute force. I liked getting theme decks back in the day, had one from Prophecy I think (Slither?), Urza's Saga Special Delivery was my favorite, had a few others as well (Gravedigger from Torment expanded the horizons a bit for me by making use of the graveyard). So I figured I'd look at theme decks now. I was looking at the Gruul Stompy in both Standard and Pioneer, and saw this video. Not sure I'd actually make it out to any mtg nights, but would mostly sit on them until my kids get older and I convince one of them to play the game with me, haha. So the cheaper standard is probably fine, but if I did want to get off my butt and go somewhere to play, Pioneer would be better it seems. I dunno. The only cards I have so far is the 2022 Starter Kit. Man, that new card smell is the same as it was 20+ years ago, but I probably should not be breathing the chemicals in, haha. I did go on card kingdom to order the cards to make that Urza's Saga Special Delivery theme deck again since I built off that and used it a lot back then, and have been eyeing bulk sales of older cards to thumb through and make decks for the fun of it. I even got a sealed copy of the Portal starter kit on the way like I had back in 1997 and learned to play from. But ya, it is a lot to catch up on. Vintage vs Modern vs Standard, and then the Pioneer, Draft, Booster, etc., it seems like a lot to figure out. I think the Jumpstart packs are a cool idea, just buy 2 boosters and combine to make a quick 40 card deck. I may just stick with Arena for a bit and try to figure out things there, I just hate the idea of buying digital decks instead of them giving you a copy of a prebuilt theme like these. The 2022 Starter kit I got did come with codes for the 2 decks that it comes with in Arena and an extra code for a friend to get the 2 decks as well.

I'm workshopping opening an LGS that explicitly DOESNT partner with WOTC/GW and instead offers on-demand print services 👍

BIG FACTS!

There definitely needs to be some kind of financial blowback for Wizards' consistent anti-consumer decisions.

Sorry I just don't see how that could help. Wizards doesn't value or equate success and popularity the same as profitability or vice-versa. As far as effectively building a bridge into a format at a reasonable level, price point and competitive nature.right out of the box. The Modern event deck was one of The best products WotC has ever produced imo. At the time I purchased B/W Tokens.I had a 0% foothold into the modern format. After purchase and with all my competitive upgrades still in the mail. I sleeved it up out of the box and went to my local weekly Modern event/tournament. I didn't play against a single person that wasn't playing the most competitive version of their deck they could be. I ended up taking first place that week. I was so pumped... not only because I took down a veritable who's-who of the best players/decklists in my multi-LGS (greater Seattle/King County area), but that I did so on the back of the bare minimum financial investment I could make in a format. Roughly $100 other than that the only other thing I invested In was some time playing friends Modernt decks VS other friends Modern decks to ascertain who the heavey hitters in the format were, both deck and cardwise. My favorite play of that event was versus Affinity in the second round 2nd game. My experience was super limited but I knew enough to be able to figure out Kataki would probably be a solid sideboard threat/decent against Affinity. Got her in my opener and blew my opponent out so hard that I'm fairly positive it left them tilted for the rest of the event. Anywho, Event Decks, Challenger Decks....These Advanced/Intermediate level products have been or were the lead up to some of my fondest memories in magic competition. I really hope they pull their heads out of their collective ass and fix what could be a flagship product. I think these decks, with the right team of people behind them, could be for "entry level competitive" what the commander decks have done for expanding, defining and shaping the format of Commander and the products that support it.

@@andrewsammons9643 how?