is Judo or BJJ Easier? (8 Questions w/ a Judo Black Belt)

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Chewjitsu

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Күн бұрын

Today's video is a full-blown Q&A with Austin, a Judo Black Belt who was in a recent video on the channel, who is also an amazing Judoka who trained at the Olympic Training Center, was a U.S National Champion, U.S Open Champion, and World Cup Medalist (@Badboymedicine on Instagram).
In this video we go over a few unique questions that pertain to Judo and how it can be helpful for BJJ.
We discuss the ideas of creating the perfect foot sweep from particular positions on the feet.
We also dive into the idea of Judo as checkers and BJJ as chess to try and quantify the difficulty of each art compared to the other.
On top of that, we answer some questions about safety in Judo as it pertains to proper drilling and even intensity in live to prevent injuries when doing takedowns in any grappling art, with an obvious emphasis on BJJ and Judo.
Hopefully if you train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, or really any other martial art & have an interest in Judo, you found some useful ideas to chew on in this video.
Thanks for watching!
- Chewy
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@SubFlow22
@SubFlow22 2 ай бұрын
BJJ was harder for me to learn, Judo was harder on my body. There's a lot more technique in BJJ as a whole. You're on your feet more in Judo, also hitting the ground a lot more more.
@DuctusXemplo
@DuctusXemplo 2 ай бұрын
Fact!!
@FR-ty5vn
@FR-ty5vn Ай бұрын
This…
@ryansmith9138
@ryansmith9138 2 ай бұрын
2nd Dan Judoka and Purple BJJ here. Grapling for over 25 years, ill have a shot at some of these: 1. How to develope and effienct foot sweep, I feel its about repition and consistently trying them out during sparing. you need to be aware of the foot sweep you want to do and learn the one you want. Also be mindful that footsweeps should be quick low effort throws, foot sweeps are one of the hardest things to master in Judo and therefore theres no easy answer other than keep trying them. 2 Whats easier: From a physical toll on the body BJJ is easier, as im getting older BJJ certainly feels nicer for me to do. Judo is more explosive and due to the falls and gravity more can go wrong in terms of injury. Judo is all about muscel memory and fast dynamic movement, but as long as you are good at grip fighting, can do foot sweeps you basically only need to be good at like 2 maybe 3 throws. In BJJ however you need to have a much wider array of moves to know, and you will likley chain together much longer sequences of moves. In Judo the combos tend to be 2 maybe 3 moves at most. Finally id say the learning curve for judo is longer, in BJJ you can start to see the benifits of training sooner. in Judo you suck for longer lol. 3. Countering wrestling vs Judo: for me it depends on if its gi or no gi, In gi its all about getting a strong good grip which I use to kill single or double leg attempts as I know vs a wrestler thats going to be their go to, or trying to get around my back. Once I have some strong grips the effectiveness of all of this is massively reduced. from here focusing on foot sweeps is my general go to as this is less common in wrestling and generally low risk from my point of view, any big throws I go for will generally be forward throws as again these are less common in wrestling, if they do get a single leg the counter I use is sumi Gashi. In no gi the wrestler has a massive advantage and generally they should be taking me down vs an equal skilled oppoenent. but my game plan would be aiming for a forward throw like drop seio as soon as I can try one. 4. How to train throws without getting hurt: during drilling this shouldnt be a major issue as long as people are being tought correctly, during sparing you need to accecpt your going to be thrown sometimes, and often times the key is to know just to go over rather than to fight tooth and nail to not go down. when you start just go in with the mind set of you want to move around and feel how take downs agaisnt you feel, always make sure your trying to put attacks in as well, but really avoid just being defesive and trying not to be thrown. 5. how to take down a defesive BJJ player: my go to is snap down if they are that bent over, just keep spamming a snap down, eventually it will work or they will bring their head up get closer in. I also find that Yoko-otoshi with a katagurma style grip works well on people with hips well back. and I also combine this with an ankle pick/grab 6. how to properly fake a throw: I think to do this you need to be able to do the throw you want to fake first and you need to put in some genuine attacks with it as well so your oppoent knows its a real threat, there needs to be a full body movement in the direction of the fake so they feel it. I dont even bother doing fakes with most BJJ guys as they just dont react anyways, fakes are needed for people who know more stand up 7. How do you get the most from comp matches: These days I treat them like simply having a hard spar at another gym, I go with the mindset of trying to have some fun. 8. Worst Injury from Judo: Snapped ACL due to tani otoshi
@lm10_dxz91
@lm10_dxz91 2 ай бұрын
Which takedowns/throws do you recommend for a BJJ guy? And how many should he be really good at (for BJJ)?
@ryansmith9138
@ryansmith9138 2 ай бұрын
@@lm10_dxz91 For BJJ its even more simple than Judo so really you can get by with one good take down. In my experience for BJJ 90% of fighters do the same stuff, they will be pretty scrappy with the grips and not really have a good idea what grips they want but they will just be scrappy about it, then they will move around for a while and try for a single or double leg, and if that doesnt work eventually pull guard. or people will shoot for a single or double from no grip or will imediately pull guard. I have one throw that works well agaisnt all of these and its this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/epiEdrpzm6ylk6c.html you can do it off a few grips. If i know they are a guard puller ill lunge in with the throw at the same time i take my first grips. as you can see from the video it also works well agaisnt the bent over stance which happens a lot in BJJ. suggest you go to the video settings and slow the speed down if you wana see what they are actually doing
@ryansmith9138
@ryansmith9138 2 ай бұрын
@@lm10_dxz91 If you can do one well thats enough for BJJ, my reccomendation would be kzfaq.info/get/bejne/epiEdrpzm6ylk6c.html
@eastweymouthchris
@eastweymouthchris 2 ай бұрын
Judo is unquestionably harder for older people. We do takedowns regularly at my school but if I was getting ragdolled from standing at every class I’d need cortisone to get out of bed.
@RicoMnc
@RicoMnc 2 ай бұрын
The MMA gym I train at offers BJJ and Judo. I joined mostly for the BJJ, and thought I might train Judo at the same time. Turns out I don't think I can sustain doing both (I'm 62 yr old BJJ blue belt) right now, but I did do a few Judo classes. The instructor is a Judo coral belt and BJJ black belt. The warm-up was a different kind of brutal and took some adjustment. Lots of break-falls, both back and side, front-rolls, and back rolls. Oh, and learning to count in Japanese. Helped me now feel even more comfortable and capable with these. I really liked the throw instruction, the emphasis on lots of set-ups ( they called them "fits") and reps. The setups are very thorough, to the edge of completing the throw. Improved my Ogoshi, Osoto Gari, and Uchi Mata (forgive my spellings) right away with just a few classes, and learned a couple others I don't remember their names. And you also get a lot more reps in hitting the ground relatively hard. Good break falls are your friend. The instructor is very "old school", and I've been told sometimes he teaches the Judo approach to ground work to supplement BJJ. The pinning is pretty brutal. He's also very thorough, and has a high standard for learning the technique details, constantly commenting and correcting students, which I appreciated and didn't mind at all. Oh, and the first class where there were upper Judo belts sparring was a bit horrifying. Those guys throwing each other, flying through the air, landing with perfect break-falls effortlessly, yelling their "ki ya" or whatever they call it was very impressive. Wow. I hope to build my training back up to where I can consistently make it to at least one Judo class a week, but right now I'm focused on re-habing an injury and getting back into my usual BJJ class schedule.
@F0restD
@F0restD 2 ай бұрын
We're focusing on takedowns/throws this cycle at my gym so perfect timing for me!
@stevenlsenior
@stevenlsenior 2 ай бұрын
For me Judo is way harder. Requires more speed and athleticism and coordination (which I don't have). And getting thrown sucks.
@DuctusXemplo
@DuctusXemplo 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I am a judoka that transitioned to bjj. Its the best of both worlds!!
@D--man
@D--man 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video
@Urmomma5f4t
@Urmomma5f4t 2 ай бұрын
Judoka go into BJJ post retirement . That says a lot about the physical difficulty. Judo requires more athleticism and understanding of timing whereas BJJ’s “chess aspect” gives you a much longer window to hit a sweep. You have sometimes a second to be able to actually throw someone otherwise your technique doesn’t work. Yes most judoka get good at 2-4 throws but throwing someone means you’re able to stop a human being who has decades of experience standing up to be thrown flat on their back. In BJJ u could learn an armbar and someone else only has drilled the defense for maybe a month or two. Hence judo being harder to implement and harder physically. BJJ has a lot more systems of techniques
@masoncampos7043
@masoncampos7043 2 ай бұрын
Who knew Dominic Cruz was a Judo guy!? Crazy..
@mxvrdahegaouwu7577
@mxvrdahegaouwu7577 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I love that both are learning from each other. In my opinion, for your body, Judo is great for
@Noslack412
@Noslack412 2 ай бұрын
I think Judo is harder. I struggle trying to throw someone that knows what's coming and I get gassed much faster in Judo.
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 2 ай бұрын
Another great video my friend. TY
@mortarfo7910
@mortarfo7910 2 ай бұрын
From a former collage wrestler that has trained in both judo and bjj, I found judo easer to learn and incorporate into collegiate wrestling , but bjj more effective in Greco Roman and free style wrestling.
@user-wd7jk1pq5p
@user-wd7jk1pq5p 2 ай бұрын
As a judo player who has recently started BJJ this is GOLD!
@bransonr9954
@bransonr9954 2 ай бұрын
I miss training at Dreby City MMA, one of the best gyms ive ever been to
@AdamT-88
@AdamT-88 2 ай бұрын
I trained judo for bout 2 years now and (touch wood) havent ben injured, and im 35. I did bjj for the same amount of time and damaged my rotaor cuff, its healed now but still causes me pain on a daily basis.
@TheSpiritus0
@TheSpiritus0 2 ай бұрын
Jiu jitsu as a grappling sport is the final stage of grappling. Most everything that is allowed in wrestling or judo is allowed in jiu jitsu. So you get cross trainers coming in all the time. So depending on your pool of people jiu jitsu is gonna end up being harder because of the wide backgrounds of the person next to you.
@TheSpiritus0
@TheSpiritus0 2 ай бұрын
@@jsherrier1196 yeah and that's bad. But for the people who do have it now they're all being mixed together. IBJJF is kind of garbage. But if they changed the rules to value takedowns and stopped counting the guard as a neutral position then things would change quickly. Rule changes need to be petitioned.
@EvolveNowYoga
@EvolveNowYoga 2 ай бұрын
In my experience Judo is definetely harder on the body
@bennryan2
@bennryan2 Ай бұрын
holy crap, that judo guy is like a wizard
@iliasbenz6326
@iliasbenz6326 2 ай бұрын
Alwats wondered about the timing of foot sweeps thanks
@Tyler16bit
@Tyler16bit 2 ай бұрын
The BJJ gym I train at offers a Judo class on Thursday evenings, maybe I'll try it one day to learn some of the differences.
@Mdi456
@Mdi456 2 ай бұрын
Thats not gonna Happen...
@DeathxThexKid100
@DeathxThexKid100 2 ай бұрын
While I disagree with how the first guy that commented said it.. in one regard I'd have to agree that if Judo is only available on Thursday and no other day, then it's not worth it and learning is not going to happen. Training two days a week is an absolute minimum if you want the smallest amount of progress. If you have skill already, but you show up once a week then you are only maintaining your current skill, there is no improvement. In Judo, it's not all about throws. breakfalls are a perishable skill. You need to improve your breakfalls as you continue in Judo, but you can't do that only taking falls/working on falls once a week.
@RicoMnc
@RicoMnc 2 ай бұрын
I disagree that once a week is not worth it. No, you're not going to progress fast as a Judoka, but I think it is a valuable supplement for what it has in common with BJJ, developing better break falls, rolls, and the common throws. You will likely not get as detailed instruction and reps for the Ogoshi, Osoto Gari etc. in BJJ classes.
@DeathxThexKid100
@DeathxThexKid100 2 ай бұрын
@@RicoMnc He's not going to make any progress going in once a week. That's like only doing BJJ once a week. We have plenty of videos from Chewey himself talking about how little progress you make showing up less than 2 times a week. It's not about "progressing as fast" or "being able to take on a Judoka" or something silly like that. It's about progress and meaningful time spent.
@RicoMnc
@RicoMnc 2 ай бұрын
@@DeathxThexKid100 I found my experience with only the three Judo classes I attended to be very helpful improving my break-falls, rolls, and throws I had already learned in BJJ. I consider it very worthwhile and meaningful time spent to supplement my BJJ training.
@auto7judoka
@auto7judoka 2 ай бұрын
I trained judo and BJJ judo practice is harder BJJ isn't hard training it depends on what you doing to recover
@johnteill_
@johnteill_ 2 ай бұрын
I would argue judo is harder...first off in the US it's damn near impossible to find a judo school and when you do it's only available on like Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday....I can find BJJ schools ready to rock 7 days per week....next I'm 42 and the constant break falls sounds like madness....I want to work the stand up and takedown for sure...but not like that 😅
@CervusGreen
@CervusGreen 2 ай бұрын
I did 6 years of judo and am now a BJJ Blackbelt (as of next Wednesday). I think for most people, judo is more dangerous because you have more weight moving faster. Most injuries I see in BJJ are from people doing standup. That said, leglocks in BJJ up the danger quotient quite a bit.
@gladiumcaeli
@gladiumcaeli 2 ай бұрын
Judo in a sense is like the karate of grappling, in bjj the match keeps on going like a kickboxing match, wrestling as boxing seeing they don't submissions. At least from my point of view.
@thomaslekhanya3888
@thomaslekhanya3888 2 ай бұрын
Wonderboys come a long way
@georgemiyahara6576
@georgemiyahara6576 2 ай бұрын
Both of them have been never easy. Throughout my career, I always met better guys than myself and always found a part to learn and improve. We name/ categorize techniques in a certain way, but our work under that name is much more lively and diverse. We are never satisfied with learning, for example, a side control sitting 90 degrees against our partner, rather simply vast. Although there are more things allowed to be done in jiujitsu, hence, this can make JJ more complicated than judo, but being more complicated does not make it to say that JJ is more difficult than Judo. This is the same as comparing Boxing and MMA.
@andrewkarl5174
@andrewkarl5174 2 ай бұрын
I met one of the world’s best checker players, Ron “Suki” King from Barbados, chess not so much
@johnmanyjars6894
@johnmanyjars6894 2 ай бұрын
Two sides of a coin. Judo class with a good partner and a nice suspended floor is easier on the body than bjj. My knees, ankles (tendons), and toes always hurt after bjj. Agree that my brain hurts more after bjj and bjj randori can be safer (fewer) accidents.
@andrewkarl5174
@andrewkarl5174 2 ай бұрын
As you’re getting a little bit older, LOL, started Judo at 58, Jiu Jitsu at 59. Kids
@paul8972
@paul8972 2 ай бұрын
How's it going starting at your age ? Respect to you
@andrewkarl5174
@andrewkarl5174 2 ай бұрын
@@paul8972 At 66, third degree brown belt in Judo, 2 stripe blue belt in jits
@paul8972
@paul8972 2 ай бұрын
@@andrewkarl5174 respect. How 8s it on the body comparing bjj and judo?
@viniciusortiz7543
@viniciusortiz7543 2 ай бұрын
Judo is harder to learn and use effectively, BJJ is waaaaay easier.
@andrewkarl5174
@andrewkarl5174 2 ай бұрын
Walking uchikomi, with your eyes closed, to feel your partners rhythm, a good way to practice
@augustycizauzo6372
@augustycizauzo6372 9 күн бұрын
This would have been much more enlightening if you let him toss you a little bit.
@arturofernandez725
@arturofernandez725 2 ай бұрын
Either is difficult, but both are cheat codes for the other.
@todd2324
@todd2324 2 ай бұрын
Judo is harder on the body, BJJ is harder to learn.
@lima_wawae6283
@lima_wawae6283 2 ай бұрын
Judo is harder 100% There is no debate. No arguement. I won't even entertain this conversation. Sorry not sorry.. 🥋
@uncircumcisedcircus
@uncircumcisedcircus 2 ай бұрын
Problem with Jiu Jitsu content creators, unless you're Craig Jones or Gordon Ryan you have to rely on clickbait bs like this.
@GarySSBM
@GarySSBM 2 ай бұрын
Ft. Michael J Fox as the cameraman
@masoncampos7043
@masoncampos7043 2 ай бұрын
You try to film that spaz. Lol
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 2 ай бұрын
It burns more energy to react to feints than it takes to make them.
@Chewjitsu
@Chewjitsu 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 2 ай бұрын
Shadow training, heavy bag training, and everything else should be done in a way that we always imagine live opponents in our training.
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 2 ай бұрын
Also, boxing is like checkers whereas MMA is like chess. More options, more interesting.
@uncircumcisedcircus
@uncircumcisedcircus 2 ай бұрын
Judokas train in BJJ for an easy workout.
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