@brickstudios I am the father from the father/son team that designed the original Ideas submission you are covering here. Were also participating in the BrickLink Designer Program series 4 with our truck design, but unfortunately the crowd support phase ended recently. Thanks so much for making a video on this topic. We believe the bin arm design that we released as a part of our LEGO Ideas submission was innovative and novel. We believe set 42167 would not exist as it does today unless we had released our idea on LEGO Ideas. A few important clarifications from my perspective: 1) We have received no credit or compensation from LEGO (other than the $500 in LEGO sets everyone who reaches 10k votes receives), nor from any of the (at least four that we know of) clone brick companies that copied our bin arm design and are selling sets based on it. 2) LEGO did not steal our idea. The already have full rights to it and would not need to steal it to make use of it however they want. As a part of LEGO Ideas participation you assign LEGO all rights worldwide to your idea for three years. When you submit an idea, you agree that: “LEGO and co-marketing partners can use your contributions in any way and for any purpose”... …“You agree that if the LEGO Group introduces a product similar to your idea or contest entry, whether accepted to or rejected from the site, you understand and acknowledge that any coincidence is unintentional, agree to indemnify and hold LEGO harmless and release LEGO from any and all claims of infringement.” We participated in the LEGO Ideas program fully knowing this. LEGO is a huge corporation and is going to take actions in their best interest. 3) When we reached out to Hasan at LEGO Ideas about set 42167, a part of his response was “...inspiration for this design is not connected to your design”. To be completely honest we think this is disingenuous. If you look at the designs for LEGO side-loading garbage truck mechanisms before and after we released our design, it is clear that our design was innovative and has been frequently copied. Set 42167 and all of the clone sets sold show that there has been plenty of market demand for a functional LEGO side loading bin arm if one had existed. But one did not exist until we released our design. You've done a nice job of outlining the similarities between our design and set 42167. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Scott

LEGO has mentioned that they will deny projects that they are already planning to produce. That might have been the case.

Interesting that it's called a garbage truck, but everything about it screams recycle truck.

I have no idea why lego would deny something like that, but basically make a bigger technic version later.

"We were already working on that" ~ Lego after seeing an amazing idea and not already working on that

The realism on this design is perfect, it lifts slowly then on occasion launches the bin

No, not stolen in this case. This design is nothing close to the actuator assembly for picking up the garbage can submitted by Levi and Scott Hasse to Lego Ideas. I know because I did my best to replicate that design and showed how I did it on my channel two years ago. I got a positive response on my video from one of the original designers himself saying that I was close but not exactly the same and that they had even improved on their original design. This truck is awesome but the garbage can pickup assembly is completely different and even has that unique piece to accomplish the feat which isn't used at all in the Lego Ideas design. They also do not have the compactor.

bro who in their right mind would throw a blue stud into the thrash can. the stud is worth 1000 currency a piece. the consumerism is real.........

I can totally see why the original would not make it as an Ideas set. There's no specific size or theme requirement for Ideas, but there is still a general premium vibe, and the garbage truck just screams standard Lego City... but then theres the question of why Lego couldn't have just offered to scale it back into a City set and call it a day because it would be a freaking instant buy for City fans. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they still make smaller Technic (in fact after the proliferation and later abandonment of CCBS and Bionicle I feel like Technic is under utilized as a theme), but a garbage truck at this scale is a no brainer design for Lego City, over you know, the 57th fire truck.

The thing is, if you upload something to LEGO Ideas and it gets 10,000 supporters, then you've transferred the rights to it to LEGO for a few years, even if LEGO doesn't make the set for the time being. They can do whatever they want during that time.

This happens a lot. I remember the first notable time was with the Ghostbusters Firehouse, Cloud City (although not an ideas design, there was a very similar concept posted online two years before the release of the official one), this garbage truck, and now the Seven Dwarf’s Cottage. Probably missing some. When Lego has so many concepts to choose from, and so many ways to execute them, but with their almost limitless system somehow ending up with sets looking very similar to popular fan creations, it’s hard to believe these are all just coincidences.

I was really bummed out that the original ideas set didn't make it. My son would have really loved it.

i got this yesterday and i thought the exact same thing also some tips for people who have this truck 1. remove the rubber band so you have better control over the arm 2. if you want to collect smaller bins, take off the black cushions on the grippers i would also love if the entire arm assembly can reach out and grab carts at further distances

NGL. I'd be honored.

I don't really believe that Lego stole this idea from anyone. When making a garbage truck out of Lego pieces, there is only so much you can do regarding it's mechanism. Both models' mechanisms are obviously taken from the real life counterpart, so naturally a good mechanism in Lego would be heavily reminiscent of the way a real Garbage truck functions. Lego's Technic series prides it's self on realism both visually and mechanically. I don't think it would be too far off for them to create something similar to someone else's model just because that's the way something works in real life. Also the way the Technic model is built is different from the Lego Ideas model. The only similarity is the way it grabs, picks up and dumps a trashcan. This is of course because of what it's based on. Also, Lego has never really been know to steal designs from their fans to my knowledge. I feel like if they really wanted that exact mechanism and build to be in a set, they would just go through with making the Lego Ideas version a real one. They've never really had a problem doing that. I just think this is a coincidence due to them both being mechanically functioning garbage trucks.

When I saw that garbage can made of Toad heads I was freaked out. Sure, some Minecraft pieces have appeared in other sets but I didn't think the same was happening to Mario already! Can't wait for one of the platform pieces to randomly appear in some Star Wars set or something.

It’s like they only looked at the most simplest aspects of the Ideas design and didn’t account for all the specific issues that the Ideas design addressed

Why do you dump the small bag in the pile with the rest of the bag?!?

Even if it was the same design, there’s only so many ways to connect Lego bricks and chances are this set could have been designed decades ago and just finally made it into production. So by the time the idea set was made Lego could have already been planning on making their similar build so they denied the idea set. Pretty simple

this was the EXACT same thought I had about this set, I REALLY wanted the og garbage truck. I want a set like this but you can be damn sure I will NOT be buying this one

This is just how a garbage truck works, also it’s technic. The people who made the original set wanted it to be made into a set.

Not only this truck but also 31152 Astronaut was submitted in Ideas, rejected (although got 10 000 supporters) and later released as 3in1 creator set. Slightly different but still...

they probably made the same mechanism because that’s the way you make a garbage truck claw thing 🐐

Some thing to take into account is lego sets are in development for 3 to 4 years and in this case the new offset gear development was in that fase before the idea's set was submitted so to make that claim they stolen the idea seems that they didn't for reasons mentioned imo.

they done same on the orrery (42179) but the first design was in 2013 by maxifigure and in 2016 JKBrickworks upgraded it. fun fact: all orreries lack elliptical orbit for the seasons.

Yes. Next question? To be completely accurate, it is not legally "stealing" since you wave any right when you apply to the Ideas program, but there are no less than 25 ideas that reached 10'000 supporters, didn't got approved, and somehow become a set less than a three years later...

I've long loathed Lego Technic Panels for anything other that aesthetic covering. I prefer to use more Technic Beas rather than the panels to acheive smoother more functional purpose.

If i remember correctly, this set was in production when the ideas truck uploaded.

The axis that connects the rear door with the body 10:06 has 2 round pieces on its left end, but nothing on the right. I made it look symmetrical by using the round elements from the left-over pieces and added them on the right end of the axis. The set also has an issue, that the printed tile next to the grabber is pushed loose by the grabber. And the elastic already broke in my set.

I think it's a stretch to say this was copied. It's not exactly like a garbage truck is some crazy concept, and the mechanism isn't exactly complicated either. Replicating what real garbage trucks do with simple mechanical principles doesn't mean it's stolen. Plus several features aren't shared between them, including some features of the mechanism its self. Could there have been a chance that it was copied? Sure. But technic is known for replicating vehicles and their functions, so it's a stretch to say that they copied someone who had the same goal. If anything, I think it's more likely that Lego had probably planned to make this set years in advance (as they do with many non-ip projects) and rejected the ideas set due to the overlap.

It would be interesting to merge the official with the unofficial. Have the new peice and also make it the more reliable version. Would be interesting

Yes. Its not just a toy company, its a $11.8 Billion company. The beast somehow needs to get fed.

I own this set it’s actually one of my favourite in my city that black technic piece that slightly sticks out is meant to be the part you try to align flesh with the recycling bin so the arms can grab it at a proper angle so the bin doesn’t really tilt or fall that much if that makes sense

imagine being so good even Lego copies you and yet fails.

How companies probably think: if it’s not a patent, it’s not a copy

when you submit your work to the Ideas page, you agree with the conditions and TLG can use your work by some time, this is how it works then - there were few more issues with "stealing" the idea, look to the latest Snow White's set :)

I saw this father & son design at Brickworld Chicago in 2019. I thought it was great & should be a set.

I wish these vidoes would be rotated 180 degrees so I wasn’t seeing it upside down

when you do a Lego technic set separate all the bags in side the bags so you can find the small pieces easier

The IDEAS range is for sets that are outside what LEGO would normally produce. This is why they don't approve modular style buildings, City type sets, Technic sets, or any set that they have a range for at the time like Castle, Pirates, or Architecture. If you look at the IDEAS sets that got approved, like the Motorized Lighthouse, The Tree House, Home Alone, Globe, Typewriter, Grand Piano, Insects, A-Frame Cabin, Sesame Street, and the Red Telephone Box, they don't fit in any of the existing ranges. Other sets (re)launched certain themes. The Saturn V was the first NASA set, followed by the ISS and Women of NASA. The Medieval Blacksmith relaunched the Castle theme. Pirates of Barracuda Bay rebooted the Pirates theme. But now that they're part of normal LEGO releases, with the Space Shuttle, Lunar Lander, and Mars Rover; Lion Knights Castle and Medieval Town Square; and Eldorado Fortress, those IDEAS submissions will be dead on arrival. The Big Bang Theory, Central Perk, Seinfeld, and The Office are all in the IDEAS range, with The Friends Apartments being the only one outside IDEAS. So I'm assuming they won't be approving any more TV recording stage designs for IDEAS anymore.

can you make a microphone stand with lego?

There no denying that lego steals fan designs

This is one of the best sets for the money. Fun to build, fun to play with, and looks good on display. I wish there were more sets like this with as much functionality.

it's completely different, one is technic and the other is brick built

As a Lego fan and observer who hasn’t watched the video I’m going to say ….. yes, quite obviously.

Please can you show how to build the claw that You made ?

I literally pointed this out to my mom the day this came out

So legos not allowed to make a toy truck the only way possible

2:17 technic without gears ≠ technic.

I have a say which tell if you tought about something, high are the chances that someone else, elsewhere, thought about the exact same thing,or similar one. It's even truer with Lego where they have a limited (still a lot) variety of parts.

Why wouldn't they coppied it? They have right to do it. When you enter LEGO Ideas Set there's whole article about that LEGO can use any ideas that are put on the site.

If Lego ideas projects don't become true, knock off brands will release the sets earlier 😢

I was wondering about that... I saw that come through and i instantly remembered the ideas build... mainly because I tried reproducing the mechanism at home since i thought it was really neat. Hm.

its almost like thats how a garbage truck works

As someone said below in the very moment you summit an idea on lego ideas the concept is owned by lego, but is evident that they are making lot of sets based on lego ideas. Personally I really think that these legos should address some credit to the original idea submit independently the theme. That could make fans more happy and could make look lego more honest. For sure in some cases I am sure that Lego may been working on some things much before the lego ideas summits

8:00 amazing explanation there man!

It would suck if Lego was "stealing", but I'm not convinced they are. I guess, I'd be curious to see how one of those pinchers works in real life. Maybe we should look it up. 🤣.Can you imagine how much it would suck, if every time a person built something using a technique, no one else could ever do it that way? Lego even gives away their instructions online. I think you nailed it when you mentioned inspiration. I also believe it's possible for more than one person to come up with similar ideas independently. Great video, very thought provoking!🔥

Use a box lid! Never dump your bags just on a table!

I would rather have the Cities garbage truck than the technic garbage truck. The Cities garbage truck is much more charming.

why does Toad look like that?!?!

Lego just skip the middle man and went straight to the Manufacturer of the Truck ..

I think it looks like Lego is actually listening to its community, Which they should have DONE YEARS AGO

they defiantly copied

Interesting,I think Lego has coped a little of there set because real trucks arm are pretty hard to copy in to the Lego form. Great video btw!

These colors that are all over the place are hurting my eyes.

I would rather struggle to copy the exact design without instructions and my small collection than buy technic

Man why can’t people just let Lego make a garbage truck

They aren't coping as as soon as you submit something to ideas Lego owns it

i just opened amazon like 2 seconds when the video started and i found this set lol

What’s the link for the original truck? I’m not asking for technic but I’m asking for the green at the start please.

If you take the rubberbands off it still works

This is great knowledge you have bestowed upon us.

If Lego even named it garbage truck on the box I’m 😂😂😂

I once built a digital lego The Office layout, microscale, before the new one was planned, minifig scale that is. Either someone did that to me, or just unnoticed and funny.

This type of grab-and-lift mechanism really isn’t anytung new. In fact, here's a technic truck from 1997 that uses the exact same principle: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fJhodraUlrSvcmg.htmlsi=8hYm_BCFoZzeONk0d The original Ideas set is incredibly impressive, but what's impressive about it isn’t the mechanism itself, but the fact that they minaturized it to fit elegantly into a minifig scale city set! While it is sad to see the original snubbed in favor of a less impressive (due to its larger size) technic set, Lego didn't steal the one aspect that actually makes the set as cool as it is.

I have 3 sets of the Mack and I just build the pieces into trailers and whatnot

its entirely possible that set 42167 was in design when the father/son reach 10k on their lego ideas build, and thats why it was rejected/not approved

I was thinking about this other day, I saw that indie design, and I swear both official lego ones this year, this technic one and the lego city recycle truck, it’s like this one stole functionality, and city one has exact “look” of it, crazy, I will never put my moc’s in ideas, catch me on bricklink 😂

Both appear to be based on some of the very varied designs and mechanisms of actual garbage trucks - i.e. they both copied the real world ...

Wow, the LEGO version of the lifting mechanism is garbage (pun intended) compared to the original.

Enjoying your contents so far but can i suggest that you invert your camera such that your hands are seen at the bottom of the video? its kinda hard to follow the vids if it were to continue like this (in this video). Nevertheless, continue the good work!

I think they decided to reconsider the set but they failed in making the mechanism.

I don't know, when Lego denied the build, but Xingbao has this kind of "grab and empty"-technique since 2 or 3 years. (Set.-No. XBA-18017 and XBA-18016)

This guy when he realizes both trucks have the exact same functions and ones a technic set, so it isn’t copying 😱 Seriously though saying Lego is copying someone’s idea is super exaggerating, they’re similar yes but it isn’t copying.

Greetings from Poland :).how name this box on Lego elements box on wall ?

How much is set in stores ?

The mechanism is identical and at the same time it's different, lol

Perhaps a case of it would have been better if they had copied. The mechinism seems to be just a nice simple solution for the movement required that can easilly be come up with independently... but everything else about it just doesnt work out.

Heil garbage trucks' arms are 90% piston driven (like a with a back hoe) but a timing chain and moving pulley for the arm to rotate 90° at max height. LEGOs was actualy pretty close, the other was a more "dated" version. Modern world, that gear system is more useful for something like a wench (less cance of a gear breaking than a belt)

2:03 bro did mining off camera💀

This product is licensed so they would have had to significantly alter the physical design of it so that it resembled the vehicle in real life.

Mindstorms before nxt used to always use that mechanism for grabbers

for me I think the reason why it got denied is because it would be too complicated. Like who are the city sets usually made for? like 6-9 year olds. So making a set with wierd connections and new gears to young kids who dont understand it. It would probably be too hard and thats why they made it a technic set

Ya LEGO's taking peoples designs, they tweak the design so it's not a one to one copy and done. Looks like who ever was in charge of tweaking it messed up on it.

The rubbish truck reminds of my sister when I see it

the father andsons idea is alot like current garbage trucks (the lifter and compacter)

That toad is cursed

OMG you dump your smaller bag contents with your bigger bag contents no way

It’s possible that LEGO took the design, but the way the mechanism works isn’t new to the Ideas submission so there’s no way to be certain.

The only reason they could steal it, is so the Ideas designer doesnt get royalties on the set. but LEGO love the community so i'd assume this genuinely was under development before the Idea was published to the site