Which look of which lens did you prefer? And what is your opinion when it comes to the question "Is Leica glass worth the money"? I would be interested to learn more about your thoughts, so please feel free to share them here. Also: In case you want to support my work and get access to additional content, please head over to my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/karinmajoka Lots of love, Karin 🤍

That intro is my comment section 😂

I think the voigtlander looks great. It was the one that I preferred.

As a collector of the very finest cameras, I personally believe that’s all about their character, charm and experience of shooting. The fun factor. Not necessarily the price, sharpness or speed. It’s about that instant moment that you grab that equipment and, from the first few shots, you know you are hooked. That sweet formula that makes in love for photography again and again.

Really nice comparison, love the images you both shot!

Karin, loved the video and I appreciated the challenge. Elmar was shooting the Leica. Voigtlander colors are to my eye more saturated. And while no one can argue that there are some incredible Third Party lenses, the Leica ecosystem is my preference. That they retain their value certainly helps when pulling the trigger on each and every lens purchase. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Be Blessed, Doc Chaps

Great shots, Karin! Really interesting comparison. 👏🔥

Leica lenses are super expensive, but from my experience, they hold their value well. I sold some Lenses after using them for years and got the same price for them. I also like that they are designed to be used fully opened. When you compare the Voigtländer f1.4 to the even more expensive Summilux, you will see a massive difference at f1.4. But I can also understand that not everyone can afford such lenses. I want to say that these lenses are not only crazy expensive but also great performers.

First of all, thanks for this cool comparison, it's a great idea to have these two excellent lenses go head to head. I honestly had the right guess during the video as to which was the Leica lens. The images with the Summicron had that slightly clearer, cooler color shades, aka "Leica look", to me. With the Nokton, I found the colors more vibrant and the look a bit more washed out, more vintage style. If money was no object, the Summicron would be my first choice, but in real life I would probably go with the Voigtländer and still be very happy with it. 🙂

Nice comparison. Enjoy your new lens. I only have two lenses for my two Leica M's (film and digital): the same 35mm Summicron and the 28mm Elmarit.

What a great review and very helpful in decision making considering that I’ve shot with the voigtlander 35 1.4 MC & MCII for four years. I’ve been trying to find out if it was worth the swap. I’d say very much so from this video.

The Voigtländer 35mm f2 Ultron beats the Summicron 35mm f2 in image quality and is also sharper than the Nokton 35/1.4. Absolute recommendation.

Nice comparison video! Some others have noted the lens hood giving it away, which I noticed as well 😅, but I guessed it right before that, but ONLY because of some distortion on some of the straight on shots of buildings where a window edge or other straight line was at the edge of the frame. If it weren't for that distortion I probably wouldn't have been able to tell much of a difference. I have the Nokton myself and have always enjoyed shooting with it and am perfectly happy with the photos it makes. I definitely don't feel like the Summicron is worth $2000 more for my purposes...but then, i've never actually used one myself.🤔

Nice to see pictures from Münster. A nice and fair comparison. The Nocton looks very good but I guess in the end we all want the summicron. did not know that they are so close...

Strange, to me the Nokton actually looks sharper in the centre from f2 (at 13:30). Either way if the 'sharpness' is the thing people notice about your photos then that's not a good sign. Some of the most amazing images I've ever seen aren't even fully in focus! For me I prefer cheap stuff because I can be more adventurous and focus on capturing images than worrying about super expensive gear.

I preferred the Nokton more and it had more of a look I wanted. I have a bunch of the Cosina Voigtlander lenses and I love them. I also have a Super Nokton for my Micro 4/3 body and it's a top favorite even though I rarely shoot it wide open

Hello Karin, i have no idea about Cameras but i always enjoy these videos! keep on keeping on!

I have that same 11827 35mm Summicron and use it on my M6 TTL and also M11. Having taken it all over the world, I can say it's a completely solid performing lens at all apertures. Glad I didn't compromise.

I have the nokton 35 1.4 and love it! There is just one thing that didn’t really show up that much in the review though. At wider open apertures the colors change pretty vastly for me, a lot of times I really like how this looks (also the bokeh gets swirly at 1.4) but it could be seen as an imperfection

I have a Voightlander 35mm f1.4 Nokton Classic E on my Sony camera. I absolutely love it.

As always, love your videos. I actually purchased the Nokton for my M6 based on research and the earlier video you mentioned. I haven't been disappointed. Do you ever discuss 50mm options? I'll have to look at your library of videos. Though I've been in the industry for over 35 years I am continuously surprised that people would tell other people how to use, or what gear they should be using. Shoot what you want, that fits your budget and serves your art.

I love my Voigt collection for the SL2S , placebo makes you think Leica lens may be leaps ahead while actual perceptual difference maybe negligible. Great video

The Noktons colors Popped a bit more, thank you for this video. 👍🏼👍🏼

Love your new Viedo, Karin! His name being Elmar makes it quite confusing though ;) 😄

I have both lenses and with film I don't think there are enough differences to justify the cost of the Leica, but with my M11 it is pretty obvious that the Leica is much sharper. I also have the Voigtlander 35 APO Lanthar and it is a bit sharper than the Leica and there is no color fringing when looking into the sun, you should check it out. So far the APO is my best 35mm lens (even compared to my Nikon Z & F glass) but it's kind of large and obtrusive so I have yet to decide between the two.

This is a very well informative video and a great comparison, especially for people wanting to decide which lens to go for, though i don't own a M6 nor Lecia i have a Bessa R with a Jupiter 50, i would love to see like a low end comparison between the Jupiter and the Voigtländer! amazing video thank you for the information

Great comparison. I sold my Nokton 35mm f1.4 to fund a 50mm Summicron. The Voigtländer is the perfect first start in the world of the M-lenses. I loved the compact size. Maybe I will buy one again 🙂

This was great - it's just a shame that the lens hoods gave this away quite early on who was shooting what. Still very interesting results. Great video.

My impression is that the differences aren't really big if you shoot film and mostly use medium apertures, like in street photography. I own the Nokton 35mm 1,4 (Version I though) myself and like the compactness and the image quality is mostly great. It has some annoying issues though, the distortion and vignetting can be nasty and wide open it is really soft, which makes not really a good option for low light. So I look for an upgrade, but the Leica 35mm lenses are definitely out of my price range 😕 Maybe the new Voigtländer Ultron 35mm 2,0 or the Zeiss Biogon? We'll see... Happy shooting, I would also like to see a video about your experiences with the M10 so far!

I can’t tell… I’m surprised as I thought I knew the look of both of those lenses. I thought they were quite different lenses but you show that the differences are in real life very small… thank you.

always a good video... thanks... I elected to keep a Nokton 35 f/1.4 and an Ultron f/2. I like the slight darkened corners and slight softness in the corners on many photos, as well as the more contemporary sharp all over look for others.

Spotting the chrome ring on Karin's lens at 2:38 spoilt the game for me. 😏

Got it early on. The Leica seemed crisper to me. Great review and thanks for your efforts and presentation Karin.

Hello and thank you for this interesting video. The give away was when I saw the lens hood on your camera ... But I still enjoyed the video and I was very very much surprised at the look of the files coming from the Voigtlander. I have shot the older version (on a Leica M9) and was not very happy with center sharpness and most importantly colour fringing but it seems they've made everything better now and for a third of the price compared to the Summicron!!! Great value for the money, great to be able to go out and shooot with a lens that gets good results and will generate less stress if banged (a little). I have also shot with a Summicron ASPH 35mm (on the M9 and then on a M240 and an M6 as well) but I was less than happy with it: seems to me that (at least on my version) the Leica "pop" was lacking and overall build quality was to par with the Voigtlander; but not over the top.

Great video. I usually like all your videos. This one included.....i still use my colour Skopar upto this day. Also at minute 2:38 - 2:40 gave away which lens you were using i believe. especially the lens hoods i think. nevertheless, personally i could not guess which was leica or voigtländer by only looking at the photos. waiting for the next video :)

Honestly I could not tell! I really enjoyed the lens review with both the studio scenes and the street photography. I think that both lenses look great. I have used Voightländer lenses on a Cosina/Voightländer R body and a Zorki IV. They are great performers and feel nice when focusing and working the aperture ring. I have used them with an adapter on my Fuji T-T2. I have not had the pleasure of using any Leica lenses, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. One thing I would say is that there once were a lot of disparities between old Leica and Zeiss Lenses compared with the Japanese lenses from Canon, Minolta, Konica and others in the middle to late twentieth century. Some of Leica and Zeiss's superiority came down to more fiddly tolerances and higher levels of machining and manufacturing. But by the 1980s the Japanese had caught up through through higher quality control and now by having more robots do the work. I don't think there is any meaningful quality differences between lenses made in Germany and lenses made in Japan. Everything comes down to trying to find a balance between optical qualities, ease of manufacturing, and price. I also expect that there were different engineering philosophies and design choices that drive the performance of contemporary Leica and Voghtländer lenses. All these things come down to trade offs in lens performance, color quality, the type of Bokeh, and ease of manufacturing, cost of manufacturing, etc. For example, I am guessing Leica was fine with slight chromatic aberration because this was present in their historical lenses and they wanted to emphasize sharpness in the corners. (I don't know the exact optical formulas and science here, but from what I understand there are balancing acts with all these qualities.) Seems to me that Cosina/Voigthländer was not setting out to copy the Summicron, but instead wanted something with better chromatic performance and faster aperture, while keeping costs reasonable.

Super Review und sehr schöner, praxisbezogener Vergleich. Kommt gerade richtig, da ich plane von der Fuji X-Pro3 auf eine Leica M (wohl die Monochrom Typ 246) umzusteigen. Bin noch in der Entscheidungsphase… Das Nokton steht bei mir auf der Liste und dieses Review kommt mir gerade gelegen. Dankeschön dafür ✌🏻☺️ Ich mag den Look und ja, vom Preis her isses auch sehr ansprechend.

Nice comparison. Just by looking at the photos, I couldn't say which was shot on which lens. But I did work out who was shooting which lens quite early on in the video. I won't say how I knew, so as not to spoil it for other watchers. I owned the Nokton 35mm and it's a fantastic little performer.

This is crazy! I loved the warmth of the Voigtlander images sooo much and was convinced that was gonna be the Leica lens! Glad that it isn't though lol need one of those Voigtlander lenses!

The fact that the voigtlander goes from a pro mist filter look to tack sharp adds a level of creative flexibility for night time photography with lights that some would not think about. Otherwise give me a sony body and a 35mm gmaster for sharpness. 😛

I like in field tests. I'm not very interested in lens performance on the test booth. Colour fringing is a showstopper for me, vignetting isn't. I like vignettes, and if I ever want to get rid of it, Capture One will do the job. Also, the Nocton compares a lot more to the Leica 35 mm f1.4 Steel Rim. Compared to the Steel Rim, the Nocton performs much closer to the Leica than in this comparison. In some fields even better. For me, the Nocton 35 mm f1.4 II is the better choice, but I totally understand your decision. I will never change my Summicron 50 mm (Version IV) with any other lens. Some lenses are pure magic. Thank you for your honest comparison. I like the style of this video and will definitely look for further content on your channel.

great video, good to know that you don't need a Leica lens if you want to begin with the M-System. thanks for your work.

Great vid! Thanks for sharing!

Thank you, great review. Any chance of adding a comparison of the Zeiss 35mm lens with these.

I choose the lens that gives the images I like the most. My three favourite lenses are 21mm Elmarit f2.8 ASPH, Nokton 35mm f1.4 classic MC II and Planar 50mm f2 ZM. I tried a variety and chose on image not price nor brand. I can’t be bothered with the Leica snobs, they are obviously more bothered about being big heads than their image quality :-)

Enjoy your Summicron! 🙂 I was unable to tell the differences between the two lenses, in the street photographs shown in your presentation. It does not suprise me that your side-by-side comparison images showed the Nokton to have more visible distortion, or that the Summicron has sharper corners. I have owned neither lens, but did quite much “homework” on 35mm lenses, in the past. I test-shot a new friend’s Voigtlander Nokton II MC, during a meeting at a coffee shop in a nearby city, earlier this year. (In return, he had the opportunity to try my M10, before he made a decision whether to buy a pre-owned M10-R from an on-line seller.) My initial impression of the Nokton was quite favorable! Cosina/Voigtlander makes excellent lenses. I already have several of them, for the Nikon F-mount and for Leica. My APO Lanthar 50mm Aspherical may is one of the most stunningly “perfect” lenses I have ever used. Ultimately, however, when I did buy a 35mm lens, this past summer, I opted for Leica, though a Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 Steel Rim “Re-Edition” lens. This may well be the only Leica M lens I ever purchase new, rather than pre-owned, so, I am glad that it works well, for me. I already had the excellent, but large Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 ZM, with very modern optics, so, it made sense to buy the Leica 35mm M lens with a more-vintage character and compact size. I know that I will have to sell lenses, to compensate my budget, but feel that it will be worth it.

cool video Karin! :) I'm curious if you can test the Summilux 35mm in the near future :) I recently sold my 50mm 1.4 Summilux ASPH, because I realised that at my current situation with 2 small kids I only shoot casually with the M system and therefore 2500€ sitting on the shelf collecting dust is something I didn't like. I settled for the Nokton 35mm 1.4 for now as my only M lens since it makes financially sense, but I have to admit, I miss the Summilux :..D Grüße aus BaWü :)

Shooting with all kinds of lenses for my Leica M10 and M2 - no prestige at all. But I find myself always going back to the Leica 50mm Summilux ASPH. I know it’s on the high price spectrum, but it just creates magic. I think @benjhaisch captured why it’s so wonderful in one of his videos. It’s my forever lens.

Excellent video and thanks for providing Spanish subtitles in my case. Greetings.

Since moving from a digital Leica M setup to the MP (analog) paired with the 35mm Summicron v4, I've been wondering if it makes a noticeable difference with this vintage v4 rather vs a newer ASPH Summicron -- at least enough to justify the cost. Still not sure; is it primarily on digital you notice, etc. One thing though: the size. The compact size of the v4 can't be understated compared to heavier glass and what it's like to have it around your neck all day. Cheers and thanks for the review!

I own and shoot the Nokton VM II a lot, and I felt that Elmar was getting different results than what I would have gotten so I figured he would be shooting the Leica. That being said it was just a guess, but pretty early saw I was right (Lens hood gave it away). What I didn't expect was the chromatic aberration of the Leica, it was a bit much for my liking and this video just showed me it probably wouldn't be worth the upgrade. I also thought the Nokton was a bit sharper in the centre (maybe because of the fringing) but yes the Leica is way better in the corners.
In the end, on film I probably wouldn’t see the difference in sharpness, but I would like to have less distortion and my Leica 50mm feels better than my Nokton, and when shooting film, with a Leica its a huge part of the experience. But, I just can’t justify the much higher price when the Nokton just seem really good as well so I probably stick to it for a little while longer. Thanks for the Video!

I prefer the Nokton here. Not that they look hugely different. May be I just prefer the images you took this day.

Another excellent real world comparison.

Karin, I now challenge you to try out some vintage LTM lenses on your M6, which are even less money than the Nokton. The Canon lenses are little jewels made with Japanese precision and are frequently compared to Leica's best from that era. They probably won't outperform your Summicron ASPH, but perhaps your audience might enjoy a review.

Always cool seeing Eastblockboy!

Great content! The purist will not agree but I guess you can enjoy a Leica camera with a non Leica lens. Sure a lot of the Leica lenses are great. But totally not in reach of my budget. So Voigtlander makes great lenses you can enjoy the great M bodies with a very good lens without paying the price most people can not afford. Another great alternative for me are the Carl Zeiss lenses. A bit higher in price as Voigtlander but IMHO also better performing. And now I am gonna make the purists 🤮. I own 2 7Artisan lenses. Both very well made. Focus is smooth and tight! All metal and glass. A 35mm f2 and a 50mm f1.1. And both perform above what there price would suggest! I use the 50mm on my old M8 that is 66mm on that camera. I shoot Monochrome jpegs with this camera, and the results are absolutely stunning! Keep up the good work!! Kind regards.

Hmmm… like them both. Own them both ( version 1&2 of the Voigtlaender). Use them both. Strangely the voigtlaender V2 is on my M8 for B/W most of the time. The 35 2 is on my film Leicas or on the 240. But … the enlarged prints of shots taken with the 35 2 are breathtaking sometimes, by enlarged I mean poster size for exhibits or the wall at home with a size of 1.5 to 1 m or even bigger…

Awesome video & comparison! I think if you want unique character go voigtlander, if you want clinical rendering go leica. Both great options. I would love to see a comparison between the Voigtlander 35mm f2 ll full brass body against the Leica 35mm f2. That might be a bit of a more “equal” comparison. I loooooove my Voigtlander 35mm f2 ll it has so much character.

As an owner of the Summicron 35mm. I personally feel one should use the lens that one feels gives them the look they want. I also use TTArtisan, Light Lens Lab and Thypoch lenses. I have the Voigtländer 21mm and 90mm Skopars on my to buy list.

Hi, sorry fot off topic question: I've seen the TT art 28mm. Do you think that it is necessary to calibrate it, since I want to use it only with analog leica.. thank you

Maybe you should also compare Ultron 2/35 VM II to both testes lenses. I am pretty sure you would be surprised, how the latest version of Ultron beats also Summicron lens, while wide open :)

Think the Summicron is more dreamy, cause of that ill use it with more contrasty film like Colorplus! But i love that in Gold the Nokton punches out the colours cause of contrast!

Comparison with Ultron have had more fair results. However i have used both. Even i dont care technical details as such i can say that like almost all my photos taken with Summicron Asph I. Nice sharpness with a character

It was easy to tell, because the shape of the hoods was visible in the video that gave it away. That said, both look great.

I didn't guess right but I preferred the Nokton in the blind test and assumed it was the Leica, so I was pleasantly surprised.

Have you looked at the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/2? I think it is extremely competitive against the Summicron. The Nokton 1.4 is great for the small size, character, and fast speed. The messy bokeh at low DOF can be polarizing. I enjoy it.

In Münster läuten die Glocken 5:35 Also schönes Wetter zum fotografieren.😸

I think one has to expect more fall-off (vignetting) the more a lens can open. The Noctilux shows even more vignetting. In that aspect the two lenses aim for a different design with different objectives. The Summicron is a bit the all rounder.

I have the Nokton and still want to try a Summicron.

I spotted it in the first shot. I’d be interested to see a comparison with the Zeiss ZM lenses. They’re sharp but perhaps not as good as the Leica. Now I want a Summicron!! Darn it!

Great video, as always. I only have 2 M lenses - a 50mm Leica Summicron and the latest CV 35mm Nokton f1.5 - so it’s impossible for me to compare the results of different types and manufacturers of lenses at those focal lengths. That said, I see no reason to buy anything other than the CV 35mm for that focal length. I shoot digital and mainly for a black &white final image so colour rendition is irrelevant. Personally, I can discern no practical difference in the “look” of a CV lens from a Leica or Zeiss - I must just be blind to it!

Does it also depend on whether you shoot film or digital? I’d imagine for film you would not necessarily want a super clinical modern Leica lens? I shoot on an M6 + f5.6 28.mm summaron - I love the vintage look it gives. I’m looking for a faster lens but wonder which of these two would suit film. For digital I guess the Leica hands down.

I like that your friend is named after a Leica lens ;)

Aaaach… Leica lenses, schmeica lenses!!!! 😉 Every year or so, I think, I sooo much need a Leica M, then it takes me a couple of weeks to realise, how much i still have to pay for the house and then I remember how much fun it is to shoot my Nikon FE2. Damn gas! 😅😊

I got a summicron 35 a few months ago and I really love it but I don’t like how expensive it is and I’m thinking of selling it for that reason alone. Also recently I tested out a Q3 and so something will have to go (summicron 35) but hopefully I can try out a nokton at some point Also I just wanted to state that in my opinion the chromatic aberration on the summicron is a benefit. I think it adds s really nice dimension to the images but I’m a fan of chromatic aberrations

I'm pretty happy with my color Skopar 35! I broke on the 50 and got a summicron v3 because there are not many good alternatives in the 50. But not what I wanted to see. :(

I liked this comparison. Unfortunately at 04:46 we can see the side of your lens which kind of gives it away. The lens you shot with has warmer and more vivid colours that I associate with Zeiss lenses so I guessed that was the Voigtlaender. Cheers.

Lens A just has that bit more contrast I come to know with Leica lenses. I found the same experience with the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron (first gen) and later made the jump to a 28 Summicron ASPH. Voigtlander by no mean a bad lens, and hard to argue if a 28 summicron is worth the money as value for money is very subjective. But if you can afford it, the result is worth it. Plus you don't really spend money buying a leica lens as they will keep their value much better than the Voigtlander. (I lost money selling the Ultron)

Nice video and great work on the comparison! However, I feel you have tested the wrong lens 😉. This particular Voigtländer lens deliberately aims to be a character lens by copying the design of the first Summilux from the 1960's. The Summicron you tested is older by is meant to be as clinical as possible.Voigtläder has the excellent 35mm Nokton F1.5, which uses aspherical elements and is a modern lens. There is also the Ultron F2, which woudkl be a good Summicron equivalent and the APO Lanthar, which is meant to compete with the APO Summincron, but is still much cheaper than the normal Summicron. All these would make a better alternative for the Summicron IMO. The lens you tested could be seen as an alternative to one of the Leica vintage reissues. Having said that, I feel that any of the 35mm Voigtländers are great alternatives to Leica's own offerings. I am a big proponent of them. I can not see a difference between a 1,000 USD Voigländer lens and a almost 5k USD Leica equivalent in normal use, i.e. not the typical contrived test scenarios (like brick walls).

I'm doing research I found a Nikon Z7 with a Sigma 135mm DG lens and a Leica M240 with a summicron-m 35mm f/2 asph on it. And yes found they were in a bin, I live in a nice building I'd say some rich bloke tossed it. Shutter was not working properly on the Leica, but sorted that out!

I identify as Leica Glass

I figured that the images that were tack sharp were from the summicron. While the others weren't tack sharp. Not necessarily a bad thing if you want some character vs sterile images. I was looking at the corners of the image for sharpness. At least in my opinion that's how I was able to tell the difference. which do you prefer?

For analog photography with film there will not be much difference, but it had been high megapixels cameras there could maybe be more difference. I do not have Leica M camera, I do not like rangefinder cameras. But I do have Leica R Lenses and Voigtländer Lenses. The Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 35mm 2.0 Aspherical is an excellent Lens with outstanding good optical image quality, at least as good as the best Leica Lenses !

ich hatte einige Jahre das 2/35mm und fand es toll... aber nicht perfekt. Heute habe ich das Ultron 2/35 mm und da ist es genauso: Es ist nicht perfekt aber der Bildcharakter ist toll und dem des King-of-Bokeh auch sehr ähnlich!

Outside of holding its value better in the long term paying x3 the price for the Summicron doesn't make sense for practicality IMO. But most Leica owners I know reach a point where they *feel* as if they need to own Leica glass or are missing out on something. Fancy camera can't be as cool if you're using a third party lens. Especially in comparison to the better Voigtlander lenses like the 35 f2 Ultron which IMO is better than the Leica counterpart.

It looks like the Leica lens' settings were a bit off. Several images were overexposed. So I preferred the Voigtlander, based on correct exposure. Both lenses delivered color, contrast and clarity equally well. Good thing. I have all Voigtlander lenses on my M11.

I might be wrong but I feel like there is a slight color cast to the Nokton, the skin tones looked a little yellow-greenish on the film shots. The Summicron seemed more clinical in it's color rendition. With that being said, in this day and age it's almost nothing at all to slightly nudge a slider in lightroom to fix the difference. All and all I think I actually like the Nokton a bit better. I especially like the price a lot better. I just don't see the $2000 of extra value in the Summicron to make it worth it unless you are taking very technical photos in which case you probably wouldn't be using a range finder. Also, Leica owner spends $1500 on a camera and $2600 on a lens to only shot the cheapest budget film.(Just kidding😉)

That at 1:51 , well, not on KZfaq, can you put a link in the description for downloading the raw files somewhere? 😄

I could tell right away from the sharpness and highlight rolloff of the photos. Definitely worth the money.

Dang, I am pleasantly surprised that my favorite lens was not the Leica lens. It’s so crisp and warm!

Waiting for the summilux switch video keep the gas going 🎉

I own both of those lenses and couldn’t spot any difference at all. 👏👏👍🏻

@13:29 center sharpness comparisson at f2 the Summicron looks worse. Am I blind? The Summicron is known for its heavy vignetting even at small apertures, so probably there are still some correction playing a role.

I have seen another similar video and, as far as I remember, the only difference was in the way harsh light was recorded when bouncing back from either a mirror or a glass surface. I don't shoot Leica because I cannot afford it, however I would be tempted to match glass and body but Im strange and not always rational.

I realized lately that a lot of my favorite photos are out of focus, and i should probably sell all of my lenses and get some cheap russian glass or something 😅 I think the Nokton (i have the 40mm) is still one of my favorites visually, its so cute.

The Voigtlander 35 ultron F2 would be a better test as it’s a fab performer. I have this and the Voigtlander 35 F1.4 nokton.

Vielen Dank! Schöne fotos. Of course, the Leica lens was much better when I looked through a microscope at the pictures. . 😇. I never considered a Leica lens for my MP. For that money, I could buy several Voightländers and never notice the difference. I am talking about my type of amateur photography, not about the photos by pros. I have several Ultrons f2 and they are small and light and even with hood do not block too much of the view finder. This is very important for me. I have one second hand Leica 24mm, which I sometimes use in cities or for landscapes. For parties with many people, it is great for an atmosphere of togetherness, coupled with the (Voightländer) 75mm for more intimacy. I can tell the difference only by the angle. But don't forget I am just an experienced amateur, not a professional.

I feel like the Voigtlander 35mm F2 APO Lanthar is a better comparison to the Simmicron. After having had it, it's 50mm F2 APO and 90mm F2.8 APO Lanthar siblings i'm absolutely mind blown at just how sharp and CA free those lenses are even wide open.

Leica glass was the best 70 years ago on 35mm cameras. It was no comparison - the precision engineering, coatings, designs, glass quality was unmatched. Medium format cameras obviously had a superior image quality and great optics from Zeiss and others, but on 35mm Leica was king. The bodies of course were elegant and durable and rangefinders were discrete and allowed for slow handheld shots for photojournalism, street, art photography and other scenarios that made it a more versatile tool. Other manufacturers weren't producing bodies that were as full featured and none of them had optics that could compete. However, In the very late 70's, and continuing into the 80's and 90's, all the big manufacturers caught up. Nikon AI glass was exceptional and rivaled what Leica was producing and many other manufacturers had caught up as well. Still, that reputation had stuck due to effective branding and marketing. The vast majority of people will fail in blind tests or prefer non-Leica lenses and there really is nothing to justify the price tags associated with Leica glass. They don't have special MTF curves, they don't have special designs (they've been reproduced and copy cats have existed for years), all manufacturers have exceptional coating and fantastic manufacturing processes with finer tolerances that today are superior then stuff we considered elite in the 80's and 90's. Of course some vintage lenses do have unique characteristics in out of focus areas but there are lots of modern lens designs like that as well. Realistically, you have to go out of your way to buy 'bad lenses' nowadays cause even the cheap stuff is very good by historical standards. Ultimately people can of course buy whatever they want but for the hobbyist or working photographer, paying for a 3000 dollar f2 35mm lens is totally unnecessary and it's not going to unlock any new potential in you. Put another way - your shot will not go from forgettable to award winning because you used Leica instead of voigtlander. However, by saving that 2000 dollars you might be able to go on a trip and take an award winning shot with that voigtlander :) With that said, I understand many people are very motivated by what equipment they use and it compels them to pick it up and shoot which is important so. Yea.

I guess, beside Leica owners, most of people know that anything branded "Leica" is mainly just for those who can afford it, no matter how sharp their eyes are at nitpicking or how high their photographic skills are, or how trully needed these products are for their photography. In fact, by not putting a Leica lens on your M body you defeat the main concept of owning a M camera : the distinctive factor. Kidding aside, I know the other 35mm rangefinders are... different, maybe not as comfy or hyped. But still, my point stands : you can make them work. Buy a Bessa put any lense you want and keep the change you saved (thousands of euros) and shoot a shit ton of films :)