Is Live Axle Really That Bad? 2012 Mustang Boss 302 - Hot Take

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M-t3ch

M-t3ch

Күн бұрын

Today we take a look at the Mustang Boss 302. Is it a proper homage to the original? Does live axle really hurt the driving experience as bad as everyone says? Is it fun?
Watch and find out! I do have to apologize for the overexposure at the start and closer camera angle. New camera, the settings were not quite dialed in. Fixed for future videos.
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Video is recorded with binaural audio. Wear headphones for the best experience :)
Specs:
Mods:
-JLT intake
-Kooks long tube headers
-Kooks Boss 302 H-pipe w/ factory side exit pipes
-GT500 mufflers
-Ford Racing Cobra Jet camshafts
-Billet steel oil pump gears
-Exedy Hyper Single lightweight clutch/flywheel
-remote clutch reservoir w/braided steel line
-High RPM pulse ring
-MGW solid mount shifter
-1 piece aluminum driveshaft
-302R lower control arms w/ 302S relocation brackets
-302R panhard bar
-Lowering springs
-Custom tuning
Engine: 5.0 V8 (Road Runner)
Driveline: RWD
Power: 444 hp @ 7500 rpm and 380 lb-ft of torque @ 4500 rpm
Transmission: 6 Speed Manual
Curb Weight: 3666 lbs
MPG: 17 city/26 Highway with a 20 combined
0-60: 4.3 Seconds
Base 2012 MSRP: $40,995
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:05 Initial Impressions
4:35 Spirited Driving
6:30 Driving Dynamics
8:14 Power Test
10:27 Shifter/Clutch Feel
11:04 Is Live Axle Really That Bad?
12:41 No Talk, Just Sounds
15:33 Hot Take
16:25 Score

Пікірлер: 55
@billmcmeekin7909
@billmcmeekin7909 9 ай бұрын
Quad exhaust, tunable shocks stock, and 7500rpm redline engine with forged internals. Other than the mt82 shifter, this car is solid and a real drivers car. I have a Z06 and very much enjoy it, but the 302 gives me a complete different ride/excitement thrill, so much that I'm keeping mine. They are understated, and often unknown. But everyone, and I mean everyone that goes for a ride, smiles while doing so. I believe these cars will age well :⁠-⁠)
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 9 ай бұрын
I agree! I may have undersold it a little bit in the video. Now having driven some more fast cars I will agree the thrill for dollar is good with this car. Modern equivalents are double and they don't offer the same level of feel.
@deadshot4245
@deadshot4245 7 ай бұрын
the mt82 can be fixed with mods and installing a solid clutch kit though so its not a terrible ordeal compared to dropping a valve in a z06
@billmcmeekin7909
@billmcmeekin7909 7 ай бұрын
@@deadshot4245 You have that right! Upgraded to OEM worked Lingenfelter heads. Can breath easy now :⁠-⁠) MGW shift linkage next for the Boss. Cheers ehhh, Deadshot :⁠-⁠)
@deadshot4245
@deadshot4245 7 ай бұрын
@@billmcmeekin7909 also owned a base c6 a set8 challenger 13 also a 13 zl1 then for a bit had a 1970 split bumper and a 93 z28 crazy days looking now at a 2011 to 2014 boss or a pp2 gt of newer generation to get the extra performance out of it but I love the boss killer Recaros make it worth it
@jasonlommen4769
@jasonlommen4769 3 күн бұрын
I have a 13’ in race red. Love this car, I’ll never get rid of it!
@SpaceTech54
@SpaceTech54 8 ай бұрын
The Boss 302 'never' gets old.. after 10 years of ownership - every time.. Fun.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 8 ай бұрын
Love to hear it! They are a load of fun.
@stlswagger
@stlswagger 2 ай бұрын
"Gotta get into it" feel free to hit 7100 rpm. She's truly an American exotic. Can't ring it out without breaking laws. I have a 2013 GHIG #2337 😊
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 2 ай бұрын
It was a blast haha. You also have a pretty rare car!
@waynesanders8948
@waynesanders8948 2 ай бұрын
We have #3057 also ghig. Awesome cars!
@flat6fever680
@flat6fever680 10 ай бұрын
You do realize the Boss 302 is nothing like a regular Mustang GT right? It was built for the track. 3:73 rear end gears, Torsen LSD, 2 piece drive shaft, 5 way adjustable suspension, forged engine internals, milled heads, short shifter, etc, etc... Then, the Boss 302 Laguna Seca is another level above that with rear seat delete with frame / body stiffener cross bars in its place, Etc, etc. Then, the red track key which was optional and had to be purchased and programmed by dealer way back then unleashes a whole other level.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 10 ай бұрын
Thankyou! I was hoping for this comment. I did not know all of that. Super cool! After I made this, I realized I kind of undersold this car. At the end of the year, I am going to make some score changes. I'll be citing this comment 🙂
@noldevin
@noldevin 2 ай бұрын
It's honestly not that much different. Anyone who seriously tracks one changes all those Ford upgrades to the same aftermarket stuff they'd put on a GT track car anyway.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch Ай бұрын
​@noldevin It's cooler when the factory does it 😉. I'd love to drive a track modified one to make that comparison though!
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp 6 ай бұрын
Judging from the read-out below the tach, you are not using the red trackey. If that is the case, borrow a Boss with the Tracey installed. You WILL notice quite a difference in performance. The Tracey changes over 200 engine parameters. Quite possibly this Boss has been tuned by someone to get the same results.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 6 ай бұрын
That is a large difference! I want to try a couple of regular Mustangs and then get back into one of these to get a better comparison. I think I have heard of the track key before. The owner left the traction control in some kind of sport setting, which I believe the track key also turns off if memory serves me.
@kellymeade4587
@kellymeade4587 2 ай бұрын
The original BOSS came to popularity in Trans Am racing, in ‘69 and ‘70 , with Parnelli Jones winning the championship in 1970. The ‘12 and ‘13 BOSS 302, is a factory Track car with the (Red track key)! It totally changes everything about the car. It will tell you on the center Instrument display for (Track Use Only) After you crank the car up, and it recognizes the parameter changes with the red key. My good friend has one. When he purchased the car, The previous owner never had the the quad exhaust, (block off plates) removed. It lets you hear the Exhaust, right below the opening of the doors . If you look underneath the car, you will see them. If you do not feel , or hear any exhaust coming out of those flat pipes….the block off plates, are still mounted at the main exhaust manifold ports, near the driveshaft. He took his to a muffler shop. They put the car on the lift… and Unbolted the quad manifold pipes from each main exhaust , and removed the plates. Billy Johnson , Professional race car driver that drove the Ford GT at Le Mans in 2016 … told me personally…The straight axle ‘12 and ‘13 BOSS, is the best handling solid axle sports car ever made. He helped FORD develop and test drove the IRS S550 Mustang GT500 and the new Ford GT. He has driven for Jack Roush , and drove a solid axel BOSS R ..road racing Years ago with Jack Roush Jr. He’s driven every kind of car, and helped his friend Vaughn Gittin, with RTR suspension development. The shifter is sometimes problematic on the MT82 transmissions, and can be replaced by Several good aftermarket companies, one being MGW…It’s really not the transmission. It’s the shifter that can give problems. Billy told me…to tell my friend, Asking me about Purchasing the ‘13 BOSS…not to worry about the transmission, that it was a wonderful car. I’ve known Billy for a good while. I met him years ago, driving for Jack Roush. I’m here in NC , that’s how I connected with him, with a good friend that worked with Roush! Get you a Red Track Key, If you haven’t already! Then let us all know what you think …With an updated video, part 2!
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 2 ай бұрын
I'll see if the owner will go for it. This is really cool information! I thought the shifter in this car felt amazing, it was overall a fantastic experience.
@kellymeade4587
@kellymeade4587 2 ай бұрын
@@M-t3ch You’re welcome, my friend has no problems …with the shifter in his BOSS either. That would be great if he goes for it… that Will be a good video, with a Lot of new views!
@SouthernCarGuru
@SouthernCarGuru 4 ай бұрын
Sorry serious Ford guy here and I hate to tell that 5.0 in the boss is not called a coyote it's called a road runner it's got slightly beefed up internals a higher redline as you said you were correct on that. And if anyone thinks they need to argue with me google the boss 302 on Wikipedia if you want to and go see for anyone's selves it's free but if your a true car guy you want argue you will know what im talking about
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 4 ай бұрын
Did I say Coyote in the video? You are correct. Thank you for the comment!
@SouthernCarGuru
@SouthernCarGuru 4 ай бұрын
Yeap you sure did to time stamp at 5:40 you did not call that engine in the boss a road runner cause it's not a coyote thanks for your feed back now go listen
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 4 ай бұрын
​@@SouthernCarGuruI sure did! I fixed the description too.
@Falcon-mc5fs
@Falcon-mc5fs 9 ай бұрын
Well solid axle Mustangs dominated in European racing back in 2005 or 2006 and it was so bad they gave the cars 200kg weight addition penalty to bring balance to the field.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 9 ай бұрын
Really? That's awesome! Any idea why? From my understanding, the live axle is a cost cutting measure and I'd think that IRS is better.
@Falcon-mc5fs
@Falcon-mc5fs 9 ай бұрын
@@M-t3ch on good tracks that are smooth there is very little benefit to IRS. It's mostly rough or unsettling tracks where irs is useful. IRS keeps the wheels on the ground to a greater degree on unsettled tracks but can be at a disadvantage on very smooth tracks unless they are made so stiff that they act virtually like a solid axle.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 9 ай бұрын
@@Falcon-mc5fs That makes sense! I never knew that 🙂
@darrellp2501
@darrellp2501 Ай бұрын
2013 boss 302 owner here. The only issue I have is the gearing with 3 73 is to short on the mt82
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch Ай бұрын
Is that what this has? The owner didn't mention anything about a diff swap so I'd assume it is stock.
@darrellp2501
@darrellp2501 Ай бұрын
I do have a Barton shifter on mine and it is flawless
@jaimeluevanocervantes2545
@jaimeluevanocervantes2545 3 күн бұрын
that was granny shifting too. I always shift my car up to at least 7000k rpm sometimes 7500 lol. the boss loves that shit.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 3 күн бұрын
@jaimeluevanocervantes2545 Haha love it! I wasn't used to a car that fast back then. I'd do better given the opportunity again.
@Kamikazekims
@Kamikazekims Жыл бұрын
i daily drive a 2014 S197 and the solid rear axle isn't bad.
@jaimeluevanocervantes2545
@jaimeluevanocervantes2545 3 күн бұрын
you need to drive a boss 302 feels way better and lightyears different than the gt. you cant spin a boss out as easy as the gt. speaking from personal experience.
@BigMan-xl3rl
@BigMan-xl3rl Жыл бұрын
need a z3 review in my life
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch Жыл бұрын
I do too 👀
@scottthompson5855
@scottthompson5855 2 ай бұрын
Or a Z4 M Coupe ;)
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch Ай бұрын
​@@scottthompson5855Yes!
@shanec8224
@shanec8224 2 ай бұрын
Damn.. you seemed to be giddy the whole drive then judged it pretty harsh
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 2 ай бұрын
That is specifically why I have to score it later, haha. I did raise the score later, I underapreciated how special it is. But it is still a 2 door sports car with limited practicality ultimately hurting it.
@shanec8224
@shanec8224 2 ай бұрын
@@M-t3ch yeah makes sense on the limited practicality, but as a driving experience what would you put above it? I’m typically more into Japanese cars but lately I’ve actually been researching boss 302’s and I’m intrigued by them, but i’ve never driven one. I’ve driven a GT back in the day but didn’t think much of it.
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 2 ай бұрын
@@shanec8224 It is hard to declare a specific car that I think drives better. The Boss 302 is sort of it's own thing and feels much different than a GT. In a good way. A good comparison to the Boss 302 might be the Camaro SS 1LE but this car feels much more raw and connected than that does. My only gripe with it overall was that it felt a little large for back roads but frankly on track that would not be an issue. It does lack some of the driver's feedback of a 90s or 2000s sports car like an S2000 but that is expected for something that is still relatively modern. Ultimately the only thing that prevented this from scoring higher was value. They are pretty expensive for what you are getting, but that is the case with a lot of these niche factory modified sports cars.
@scottthompson5855
@scottthompson5855 2 ай бұрын
I agree. Boss is special. I just replaced tires and changed oil and filter today. Looking forward to summer in the Boss. I have a 2012 Porsche Carrera GTS too. BOTH are super fun drivers cars. If I had to say which I prefer to drive (Boss). If I had to say which car is "better" in every way BUT ONE it's the GTS. The sound of the Boss with Track key and side pipe baffles removed is just pure magic. No six cylinder Porsche...even with sport exhaust can match a 5.0 litre Boss at 6-7.5 RPM...
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 2 ай бұрын
@@scottthompson5855 That is awesome to hear! The Boss does sound amazing.
@SouthernCarGuru
@SouthernCarGuru 4 ай бұрын
Well i daily drive a 3v with the live axle its not bad at all honestly and i wasnt here to gove you hate i jsit called out your mistake and you didnt like it my bad ill unsubscribe if you like it dont matter to me at the end of the day im a car guy yoyr a car guy it what it is man just was trying to point out the mistake and the other oart of my comment was cause i habe a hard time with folks on here
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 4 ай бұрын
I always appreciate constructive feedback 🙂
@pantheranegra2261
@pantheranegra2261 11 ай бұрын
Poor engine bouncing off rev
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 11 ай бұрын
The owner told me to haha. The tach shot up faster than I had anticipated.
@pantheranegra2261
@pantheranegra2261 11 ай бұрын
👍
@tylerk8133
@tylerk8133 11 ай бұрын
It can handle it
@ElfCrotchPuncher
@ElfCrotchPuncher Жыл бұрын
The boss 302 is the perfect balance. Most mustangs to me are kinda lame. But the Boss seems like a 1960s style racer. Except with ac
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch Жыл бұрын
I agree, most people that I have asked about the GT500 if the same year or newer GT350 say they are completely different experiences.
@omgomg6253
@omgomg6253 11 ай бұрын
Miata ....lol 🤫😊🤣🤭
@M-t3ch
@M-t3ch 11 ай бұрын
Poor guy stood no chance 🫣
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