Is Man Utd’s Martinez Actually Too Short for the Premier League?
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Do all centre-backs have to be tall? That’s the question facing Manchester United and their new 5ft9in centre-back, Lisandro Martinez.
Traditionally centre backs are the biggest outfield players in the team, but do they need to be?
With the help of some professionals in the game, Sarah Shephard explains that a good centre-back doesn’t worry about their size. Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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#EPL #MUFC #Martinez
@wolfsbane3854 Жыл бұрын
What he lacks in height, he makes up for it in DAWG
@hutomofarrasdimastrian611 Жыл бұрын
The most important attribute in sport frfr 😤😤
@CamJem31 Жыл бұрын
Proper G Dawg!!
@JTTTTTGGGGG Жыл бұрын
WOOF WOOF
@qkomodo9098 Жыл бұрын
THIS is the correct explanation
@abe10 Жыл бұрын
He's got that DAWG in him 🫁
@james263 Жыл бұрын
It's not an unconscious bias against short defenders if everyone is conscious of it - that is just a bias.
@dariuspalmer2829 Жыл бұрын
Political terms in football 😆😆
@dan-united9506 Жыл бұрын
@@dariuspalmer2829 You don't actually think 'bias' is a specifically political term do you...?
@artofsamlo4216 Жыл бұрын
@@dariuspalmer2829 still not a political term, it's just a term describing something that can be found in a number of places. Scientific research, audience perception of media, culinary trends, etc.
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
@@dariuspalmer2829 lmao no it isn't 🤦♀
@T.E.S.S. Жыл бұрын
@@dariuspalmer2829 amazing
@ankitlad25 Жыл бұрын
So nice to see this come out after Martinez delivered credible performances in the last 3 games on a bounce back after 2 losses. I would rather deal with his shortcomings (if any) over an out and out average defender like the ones we've had. 1 goal conceded in 3 games in the PL is no joke, especially for United who've conceded unnecessarily due to defensive errors. Back your new signing, he has more heart, talent and character in the field than anyone else.
@litti1047 Жыл бұрын
No more maguire halleluja!
@mydeadtrim Жыл бұрын
@@litti1047 facts!
@idecided852 Жыл бұрын
Shortcomings! Nice.
@phflorian1846 Жыл бұрын
I’d put “in” in front of credible. That 1 goal that they condeded was more due to Salah’s genius rather than a defensive error, so they could’ve had 3 clean sheets. That’s unheard of, given United’s defensive records these past years
@bph9056 Жыл бұрын
Exactly that. Martinez looks really comfortable on the ball as well right from the off and looks like he actually wants the ball at his feet which is something we’ve lacked at all on the field for years let alone in defence. I like malacia next to him. As questionable as I think the midfield and attack is the defence looks a lot more solid atm and ready for the challenge
@Jakeindbox Жыл бұрын
This video is clearly outdated. 3 very impressive performances with 2 clean sheets and Licha was MOTM for 2 of them.
@drdannydude123 Жыл бұрын
to be fair it’s hard to time their videos with how fast the season goes
@EugenesBackpack Жыл бұрын
he really only struggled in the air against toney, which who doesnt. not outdated, more so wrong. probably written by the bald guy
@Luis-ww8mp Жыл бұрын
@@EugenesBackpack they’re trying to find an excuse to get Maguire back in the team loool
@EugenesBackpack Жыл бұрын
@@Luis-ww8mp yup, they're trying to fit their narrative. Kinda like how many people actually believed haaland was gonna flop so they compared him with lukaku for only having like 5 touches in a half or something
@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын
@@EugenesBackpack funnily enough toney isn't even that tall. he is 5 ft 10! it is his brute strength that caused problems for martinez in that game.
@aakarmamtora3470 Жыл бұрын
When was this video made? Martinez's "bad start" has already disappeared with 2 very good performances. And he wasn't even that bad against brentford and brighton. Someone needs to lookup how many times brentford failed to take advantage of martinez. And that bad start is also due to the whole team not performing well in those 2 opening matches. It's not like everyone but martinez played well.
@dewaadisandjaja5222 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, first 2 games he actually pretty decent. The things that makes him looks bad because he should covering Maguire for every failed attempt he makes. Maguire always easily to dragging off by opponents and out from his position. Shaw was nowhere when the team got countered. Leaving Martinez alone. People picking up on his height, even in fact he won most of an aereal duel.
@Ze_Moose Жыл бұрын
Let's see what he does against Arsenal when Saliba and Gabriel are waiting for a corner lol
@rashadmahbub6255 Жыл бұрын
He was their player of the month....
@tomassipone98 Жыл бұрын
First game he had to do more work since MAGUIRE was useless as always.
@wilseph1 Жыл бұрын
"Bad start" playing alongside Maguire. Happens to every center back.
@gerald-alexanderbassey3210 Жыл бұрын
Harry Maguire is the golden standard of how not playing to someone's strengths make them look useless. United should just cut loses and sell him.
@DePoRtEd20 Жыл бұрын
Sell him to who? Guy is a meme lol, Nobody in their right mind is going to pay a cent for him...
@ygosoccer Жыл бұрын
@@DePoRtEd20 a lot of teams would take him, top teams that play a high line would never but any bottom half team parking the bus would love for him to just sit back there and clear anything that comes close to him.
@Diabolos1007 Жыл бұрын
@@ygosoccer Atletico Madrid
@earthpeace3323 Жыл бұрын
I was half hoping Leicester would use some of the Fofana fee to buy back Maguire. Another big obstacle is that he is on 200 grand per week wages and no way Leicester pays him that kind of money.
@seb2750 Жыл бұрын
Trade Lord Maguire for Pulisic. Chelsea lost a big boy Rudiger, they could use him.
@sarahjessicafarter7383 Жыл бұрын
In Latin football culture, the prized attribute in centre backs is their tackling ability. That's why you get so many centre backs the stature of Ayala, Cordoba, Heinze, Puyol, etc. More agile and better tacklers. In British football culture, tackling has never been viewed as the priority attribute for a centre back. Instead, there's a preference for tall centre backs with an upright stance who rely primarily on positioning to defend. You see this type of centre back sometimes in Latin football, such as Pique. Then you get tackling centre backs sometimes in British football, such as Carragher. Yet there's a clear difference in what the two football cultures want from their centre backs.
@EugenesBackpack Жыл бұрын
tf are puyol and pique latin?
@sarahjessicafarter7383 Жыл бұрын
@@EugenesBackpack Latin not latinoamericano, yes. I'd argue the football culture in Latin Europe and Latin America is broadly contiguous. Regarding the shared appreciation of small centre backs, note how Cordoba, Ayala, Heinze, all achieved recognition in Latin European leagues. As a random current example, Chilean Gary Medel has been getting on well as a short centre back in the Italian league for a while now.
@frankgallegos1304 Жыл бұрын
You’re forgetting about Mexican Rafa Marquez was 6ft but played with his body on the line in that Barcelona team.
@sarahjessicafarter7383 Жыл бұрын
@@frankgallegos1304 Yes, and the Mexican legend centre back Claudio Suarez is only 1.78m.
@Auriflamme Жыл бұрын
One thing which must be mentioned is average height. South Americans tend to be about 2" shorter than northern Europeans who are the model for the typical Premier League centre back. Furthermore, in Latin America football is often a route out of poverty for young men who in many cases have suffered malnutrition in childhood and are consequently sometimes shorter than they might have otherwise been.
@BazedLi Жыл бұрын
Seeing as he has won more aerial duels than Varane in the last 3 games, I would think no
@samaukland1418 Жыл бұрын
Well, I imagine he's won more because he's had more oppurtinity to win more, as every team thinks they are going to be the ones to exploit his height, and just spam lofted balls to him in an attempt to do so. I think it's working in our favour as it's clearly not a weakness for him, and it's easy to defend an approach so one dimensional. I wonder how teams approach will evolve now that they know it's not going to work.
@alfiehaigh8412 Жыл бұрын
@@samaukland1418 his percentage is higher as well not just volume
@75patrickfoley Жыл бұрын
@@samaukland1418 Tell that to Ben Mee! 🤣
@JoshAFC Жыл бұрын
That's because you've fundamentally misunderstood the aerial duels stat. Aerial duels are defined as both players off the ground competing for an off the ground ball. That's how lisandro was able to come out of the Brentford game without losing an aerial duel despite being beaten in the air easily for the goal on the line. Because he's on the ground and the Brentford player isn't it doesn't count as a lost ground duel either, in fact it's not even recorded negatively against lisandro in any way in mainstream stats. Often lisandro doesn't get off the ground for contested duels, only free ones... Hence a high aerial duel percentage. He's not good in the air.
@BazedLi Жыл бұрын
@@JoshAFC Have you even watched either the video explaining how short defenders are able to make up for differences in height or Uniteds last 3 games where Martinez clearly showed these principles in action winning multiple headers? Because you sound like you don't. I'm not going by straight statistics either. As you have explained with so many words: It's hard to accurately categorize every game action, so you have to go by the eye test... which, if you did in fact watch Uniteds last games, you would realize he passes.
@chrismichener4657 Жыл бұрын
He’s struggled when paired with Maguire. But so does Verane, and Lindolof. Paired with Varane the back 4 gave up 1 goal in 3 games. And a lucky goal at that to Salah.
@khoyrulislam Жыл бұрын
Lucky goal?
@revenant8061 Жыл бұрын
@@khoyrulislam yeah
@Akshay-ee2nj Жыл бұрын
@@khoyrulislam watch the goal
@valter_vava74 Жыл бұрын
everyone seems to struggle playing alongside Maguire... but in Maguire's defense, Lindelof was a sieve at Benfica... an excellent sale for Benfica...
@TylerAven10 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how they clearly started working on this video before his uptick in form.
@thesidck Жыл бұрын
Yeah outdated video
@nil_90 Жыл бұрын
Waiting so long for Martinez to have a bad game, so that the video narration works; they finally gave up.
@PrinceOlaf Жыл бұрын
Well yes, the amount of people they referenced in the video, and graphics used mean weeks of prep
@Johndoe-gf7eu Жыл бұрын
@hfc because its true 😂😂😂the agenda against man united is real. We ruined peoples lives for 26 whole years, i sort of understand it, Bless them 😂😂😂
@Johndoe-gf7eu Жыл бұрын
@hfc point is irrelevant. They should have scrapped this video and made a new one. Why has this even been released? To further the agenda against martinez in anticipation of him having a bad game against arsenal.
@branofigo Жыл бұрын
"Given his difficult start in the Premier League" - won United player of the month, has one of the best aerial duel percentages in the league and conceded just 1 goal in three games... Yeah I think it's safe to say he's recovered.
@GuinessOriginal Жыл бұрын
Against a struggling Liverpool side and two relegation fodder teams? Ok
@zdhanz Жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal are you watching him play or not?
@reddevil6248 Жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal Struggling Liverpool going on a 9-0 rampage Relegation fodder Southampton defeating Chelsea the very next match Just because we r not losing that's why the opponent is weak 😅
@adampaul6675 Жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal it was an almost full strength liverpool xi in midfield they were just missing fabinho and thiago one of whom came on 2nd half and front 3 of Diaz salah and firminio with a full strength back 4. 🤣 Leicester ain't relegation fodder and neither r Southampton. So idk what u r on about
@DECmatter Жыл бұрын
Can only assume this video was created after the Brentford game
@bustertambourine Жыл бұрын
People often seem to forget about how short but how amazing Roberto Ayala was when he was in his prime at Valencia CF.
@GuinessOriginal Жыл бұрын
Or mascherano at Barca. All Argentinian, there’s a theme here
@aldobonaso3481 Жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal yeah because Baresi and Cannavaro were Argentinian...no wait
@GuinessOriginal Жыл бұрын
@@aldobonaso3481 wrong they were both Italian but played in different eras
@victorhsluiz Жыл бұрын
Paolo Montero and Ivan Cordoba are also great examples from the same era.
@eddysandland58 Жыл бұрын
@@victorhsluiz Montero was a walking Red Card! But Class at the same time! I use to watch him for Juve in the CL and He's always on the Edge! But Yeah Montero Cannavaro Bariesi Ayala etc! Where Master's of the Defending Art!
@matthauke Жыл бұрын
"Difficult start"? He's shown he's qualities and aggression even in the losses and he's been the MOTM for consecutive games!
@kofishaw4 Жыл бұрын
The scrip was probably written a few weeks back
@SeanSeeksDog Жыл бұрын
Ya I heard difficult start and thought nahhh
@matthauke Жыл бұрын
@@kofishaw4 yeah probably but still, it’s a poorly timed release because he’s really put those height concerns to bed basically in the same way the video describes.
@Johndoe-gf7eu Жыл бұрын
Exactly why has this been released after 3 MOTM performances in a row??? They are mocking it
@rangertx4161 Жыл бұрын
@@kofishaw4 Even still, Martinez was NOT the issue with the defense and the past 3 games have proved that. So he was not the one with the difficult start to the season.
@craigwck7626 Жыл бұрын
Martinez didn't have a poor start. Harry Maguire is the cause of the problems in United's first two games.
@feederchua Жыл бұрын
Except that both Brighton and Toney admitted in the media that they'd specifically targeted Martinez knowing thst they'd be able to win the first ball. Not saying Maguire was up to par, but Scapegoating him is just stupid united subsequent opponents like Liverpool etc don't have similarly bigger strikers that they can play more vertical balls to.
@kolawoleomotosho3073 Жыл бұрын
@@feederchua Toney didn't have any success against Martinez. He is just bragging, watch the game again.
@ygosoccer Жыл бұрын
@@feederchua and if you watched the game you would know that everytime they did target him it didn’t work. ETH admitted he knew they would try that and set up accordingly by having Shaw close to pick up the second ball when Martinez won. The goals did not come from targeting Martinez, it was De Gea and Maguire unable to pass out of a press
@feederchua Жыл бұрын
@@kolawoleomotosho3073 he wasn't bragging. They asked a question he answered. That is a real and viable tactic against United now. I watched the game and Martinez got bullied by both Toney and Welbeck. Which is perfectly understandable considering it was his first game. Still a great player but this rush to scapegoat and meme Maguire is weird af.
@Josh-wn7fl Жыл бұрын
@@feederchua Games with Maguire: 2Ls Games without Maguire: 3Ws (Against better teams as well) Quite the coincedence
@RandomVideosFirst Жыл бұрын
Maguire is probably in the top 10 of best defenders for aerial duels/wins, but on the ground he cant defend is slow, cant mark for love nor money and has next to no spatial awareness not to mention his turning circle is very similar to an ocean liner!
@AdityaWasisPratama Жыл бұрын
HAHAHA ocean liner!
@liamnewman311 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree with all of that, spot on.
@squidguard4743 Жыл бұрын
Shall I put post the clip where he fails three times to head the ball out of his own box against spurs lol
@RandomVideosFirst Жыл бұрын
@@squidguard4743 look at his heading duel percentages I didn’t say he was the best I said he’s in the top 10 so not perfect heading win % high but still nevertheless in the top ten!
@Chilavertish Жыл бұрын
Maguire would have been good in a different era where there was more aerial balls and less need for technical ability
@dannydkoith Жыл бұрын
Martinez was our player of the month. Maguire was the real problem
@fabiancalderon6729 Жыл бұрын
I don't know how anyone could look past De Gea mistakes. 2/4 goals were his fault
@dannydkoith Жыл бұрын
@@fabiancalderon6729 look how he is playing since maguire is dropped. Almost no shots at him. Ask ederson how he gets this many cleansheets. With Maguire united has almost 5 shots on target per game. Less shots on target less problem for the goalie. I agree De Gea is not the answer either. But he is miles better than that Hendersondude
@MickeyOBKey103 Жыл бұрын
@@fabiancalderon6729 4/6 goals against Brighton and Brentford were DDG’s fault
@MickeyOBKey103 Жыл бұрын
@@dannydkoith Henderson has prevented the most goals in the league this season. De Gea’s inefficiencies are making United play like 2011 Stoke. The goalkeeper United just signed to replace De Gea was going to be replaced at Newcastle by Henderson before they decided on Pope
@dannydkoith Жыл бұрын
@@MickeyOBKey103 he is a backup option. I think henderson will be number 1 next season. Lets see what he does. Doesnt change the fact he is arrogant and disrespectful.
@musakanyamukuka7675 Жыл бұрын
Obsession with his height is getting weird now. 🥶
@kyllian4265 Жыл бұрын
Facts 💯
@MR12AMAZING Жыл бұрын
It's just a reflection of society's obsession with men's heights in general. You're always seen as less of a man if you're below 6ft, the memes go beyond football.
@Ashtonishing1812 Жыл бұрын
not even that short!
@user-ut6sj9vg5x Жыл бұрын
5’9 isn’t even short lol that’s taller than the average height in some countries
@comfortchanda7614 Жыл бұрын
The content was created probably after the first 2 games. So we can bare that at that time there were no updates since... cause he has definitely shown out post those games. But he makes a good point of Maguire not being played to his strength not because he isn't good but simply because it hasn't fit the playing style. He would be a solid for the Dyche's Era at Burnley but for us it was easy to exploit his weakness because nothing was (or barely) in sync. Eventually it messed with his confidence. The best thing to do is not wack the guy with words. But begin to evaluate the future whether to get him to adjust to those tactics or use him in games that they think he can stand firmly throughout. The guy is good we see him for England it's unfortunate that his time at United has really deteriorated in terms of performance. I only wish him the best. More power to Licha, the back 4 for has been showing some promise. Loved the last 2 clean sheets as well.
@MickeyOBKey103 Жыл бұрын
Funny how “Maguire doesn’t fit the play style” but since he was dropped United have stopped playing out from the back and have a lower defensive line to compensate for De Gea. Maguire successfully played in a high line when Henderson (a sweeper keeper) was in goal in 20/21, and with Pickford for England. If Maguire was a low block defender he’d be playing now, not when United were trying to play out from the back
@Johndoe-gf7eu Жыл бұрын
Well whats the point in releasing it then it just creates a further agenda. They should have scrapped the video after his 3 MOTM performances in a row and changed it. Scruffs
@HeloisGevit Жыл бұрын
@@MickeyOBKey103 True. Maguire gets blamed for De Gea's failings
@jaredona6299 Жыл бұрын
@@MickeyOBKey103 people prefer to blame the meme Maguire over 'player of the year' De Gea without objectively looking at the fact that we've been kicking it long which is a waste of Martinez/Malacia/Dalot's progressive capabilities The bottom line is that De Gea can't play with Maguire, because they hinder each other, whether it's covering the space in behind by sweeping, or being able to track back with pace
@MickeyOBKey103 Жыл бұрын
@@jaredona6299 spot on mate. And as much as people don’t want to admit it, Maguire’s flaws are much easier to compensate for (and less detrimental to the team) than De Gea’s
@davidvalencia129 Жыл бұрын
I mean Carles Puyol was 1,78. 3cm taller than Lisandro and that did not kept him from being one of the best CB in football history. Remember football was more focused on physical players back then.
@khoyrulislam Жыл бұрын
Bad example as he was playing in one of the greatest teams in footballing history
@thewolverine7516 Жыл бұрын
@@khoyrulislam and? He was already regarded as one of the best before pep came. Also he played in a relatively unknown era of fc Barcelona from 1997 to 2004. And even in that period , he made his name as one of the best CB's.
@khoyrulislam Жыл бұрын
@@thewolverine7516 He, along with Baresi and Canavarro, are considered the exceptions to the rule - that's why there are so few of them. I'm not saying he can't be a good player for Utd (he's defo better than Maguire) but it's not a good argument to use Puyol as an example.
@3X0SK3L3TON Жыл бұрын
His hair added 12 inches to his presence
@greatnesstv265 Жыл бұрын
The fact that the English media prioritized his height before his technical abilities is the reason why England will never will another world cup
@anjumojah1089 Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@l...m9415 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous comment. Remind me which 5'9 cb has won a world Cup or champions league. Only one cannavaro and he happened to be a defensive genius (martinez absolutely isnt). There's a reason no other prem manager would sign a cb so small
@greatnesstv265 Жыл бұрын
@@l...m9415 🤦🤦🤦how tall was puyol.........Puyol was captain of the greatest club team ever....and was in the 2010 world cup team which won the world cup....... 😂😂Do your research before you come at me
@l...m9415 Жыл бұрын
@@greatnesstv265 forgot about puyol but he was average technically anyway so doesn't really support your point
@AzizDoufikar2280 Жыл бұрын
He played for Ajax in the Dutch league.Dutch people are the tallest and so are the players.And now he came to England only to have people and pundits complaining about his height?? Come on now.He is playing good at Man Utd.Made more tackles than Maguire did.Won more aerial duels.What more do you want to complain?? Now to all haters out there,tell me now.Was I wrong on this one?Or is it just the fact that you refuse to admit it?
@dzakiassuhud1825 Жыл бұрын
0:31 "Given his difficult start in the premier league" What are you talking about? He literally named player of the month in his first month... If anything, his start was brilliant here.
@Anon13378 Жыл бұрын
Tbf they probably made the video a while back and are only able to upload it now after editing.
@TheDeadlyTikka Жыл бұрын
Let’s not pretend like United didn’t concede 4 against Brentford
@pragunahuja6879 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadlyTikka maguire says hi
@TheDeadlyTikka Жыл бұрын
@@pragunahuja6879 ahaha yeah it was less Martinez fault and more Maguire and more specifically Luke Shaws fault! People need to rewatch that game and keep an eye on Shaw. He is so badly out of position at almost all times
@samwize28 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadlyTikka football is a team game. Martinez wasn't flawless that game but he certainly didn't play badly
@rinzler_1482 Жыл бұрын
This video was created too quickly, martinez has had some excellent performances.
@nguyenhoa3084 Жыл бұрын
He uses his brain and aggressiveness to cover his weaknesses.
@iblaze1085 Жыл бұрын
Martinez is a classic examples how you use your strengths to make up for your weaknesses
@bonnyxaviers Жыл бұрын
For this generation for better understandings Alaba at Bayern and currently at real Madrid Mascherano at Barca Even the great Puyol was 5,10 ft It's all about how you play, how you use your footballing brain to the best use
@Mumbler100 Жыл бұрын
Watching this in September; Martinez has improved quickly in a short space of time
@TheRadYT Жыл бұрын
I think you want more of Joachim Anderson type. Big enough to win the ball in the air & be a bully. But also having the ability to start play. But you could look at 2 CB's like a big & small striker partnership. Anderson & Guéhi are a good example or if you've got a back 3. The big man in the middle with 2 shorter ball playing CB's either side. Like Ajer for Brentford or Dier for Spurs.
@gbrl433 Жыл бұрын
that’s exactly why maguire would fit in a 3 at the back
@reviewer_random Жыл бұрын
me here after martinez pinning down harry kane, yo he was lit af
@voroldrwarfff8858 Жыл бұрын
The dude has been awarded player of the month. Not really what Id call a "difficult start"
@emilfrederiksen.1622 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what is this guy watching Martinez have been the best play for Man United so far this season and you could say he has been the best Cb so far this season overall in the prem with Saliba.
@Ytjg1111 Жыл бұрын
Ricardo Carvalho was 1.80m, that's 5f11, and he had a very good premier league career and made a fantastic partnership with the taller Terry. It's all about what the player brings to the team and whether the team can clear long balls in the air or not. Carvalho was very quick, almost impossible to beat in 1vs1 situations and very combative in every situation (including in the air where he challenged with the height he had).
@isaymaybe4601 Жыл бұрын
This guy could simply say ' look at Harry Maguire' and end this video. im sure anybody would say yeah i got it.
@mannytuzo Жыл бұрын
The problem was never Martinez or his height, it was MAGUIRE!!
@bri1085 Жыл бұрын
No he was bad in those games
@liamthelad Жыл бұрын
@@bri1085 maguire should have obviously gone over to martinez' side and headed the ball away from Toney on his behalf. Total fraud that man
@bri1085 Жыл бұрын
@@liamthelad then he gets criticised for vacating his side of the pitch
@bickdig Жыл бұрын
@@bri1085 He didn’t lose any duels in Brentford game aerially or in the ground and he only lost 2 of his 5 ground duels vs Brighton he wasn’t bad he was ok and made to look worse by Maguire.
@bri1085 Жыл бұрын
@@bickdig Ben Mee beat him in the air to score the 3rd Brentford goal
@thesidck Жыл бұрын
Video is outdated.. Last 3 games he has been bossing it.
@Truffle_Pup Жыл бұрын
After the Liverpool and Southampton games I came to the realisation that Martinez defends the way Tevez used to attack - with pure venomous tenacity. That lad has a few red cards waiting for him I have no doubt, I'd definitely put a bet on at least one of them being against City in a few weeks. Still, he's a real menace, and I think as long as Varane stays fit he'll keep Maguire out of the team. That is... Until he puts Haaland in hospital and gets arrested for crimes against humanity.
@jemrylie Жыл бұрын
He has only ever received 1 red card though, back in Argentinian Primera División 2017/18
@Truffle_Pup Жыл бұрын
@@jemrylie What I said was what is known as "over embellishment for comedic effect", but I appreciate the stats son
@bachvutuyetvoi3789 Жыл бұрын
Your animation with the text is insane. Love watching!
@ArcadiaAdamBae Жыл бұрын
Maybe wait until he got 5 games on his belt instead of jumping for an algorithm that is already passed 2 days ago.
@vidalgutierrez9542 Жыл бұрын
Difficult start? Only the English think he’s too short. You needed tall and big cb’s Bc your league had no skill and all you did was hit each other
@gopikrishnang4871 Жыл бұрын
This is so far, the best comment about the old English playing style and league.
@75patrickfoley Жыл бұрын
You sound like someone who flops really often and calls that skill.
@Irfan87 Жыл бұрын
This is facts though. Dalglish and the the great SAF were the only Brits to win the EPL. Ever since that, its been teams managed by other European managers with teams that are AT BEST, 50% English. The only modern day Brit coaches who seems to have proper continental style tactics is maybe Graham Potter. Aside from Carrick, Scholes, Hoddle etc, the English don't really have true midfield maestros like the Spanish, Italians, Dutch etc. They still emphasize work rate, quickness and being a "hard lad".
@dariogutierrez6716 Жыл бұрын
Playing as a short and light defender has been hard but fun. My hero growing up was Gary Medel. I've seen the dude beat C. Ronaldo to headers and anticipate and perfectly time tackles against every kind of attackers. You just have to find your own way to fight
@misterkunnyfunt Жыл бұрын
loving the last minute swipe at Maguire. made me smile.
@ZexaXIII Жыл бұрын
Lisandro Martinez didn't start poor. He had to compensate for Maguire's Mistakes.
@madapratama5596 Жыл бұрын
so Ben Mee actually became "big" enough simply because he grew up playing with Burnley
@adhynugroho9424 Жыл бұрын
Lol. Tbh, I've always thought all Burnley players are 7 feet tall.
@maxholliday6851 Жыл бұрын
@@adhynugroho9424 they're all the same player
@nathanwilson2116 Жыл бұрын
What difficult start??? He’s absolutely smashing it with united, he’s a warrior
@dragdritt Жыл бұрын
This must be a video actually made weeks ago or something "and more so now given his difficult start in the Premier League" as for the last 3 games this man has been playing extremely well. Fully deserved being chosen as Player of the month by Man Utd. fans.
@sanjithkeshavmurthy4171 Жыл бұрын
What do u mean by difficult start? the guy has been brilliant defends like his life depends 🔥🔥🔥
@beukenphom3680 Жыл бұрын
He may be short but Martinez leap is no joke !!!
@joshuakenyon256 Жыл бұрын
An important part of this I think is partnership, a 5ft9 centre back can work very well as long as you have that player that can win those aerials. A technically gifted player who can rob the ball from the feet of forwards and close players down quickly and a stopper who can stop players in their tracks and win those headers has historically made a very good setup for clubs
@thanos81881 Жыл бұрын
A great example of this was Michalis Kapsis(1,82m) vs Jan Koller (2,02m) in the EURO 2004 Semi Final Greece vs Czech Republic
@soniacherian6130 Жыл бұрын
height may be a point but defending is more important . look it will take some time to get set in a bigger league
@emilfrederiksen.1622 Жыл бұрын
He has already been our best player and been amazing.
@Somtohuncho Жыл бұрын
why is this even a question 😂🤦🏿♂️ if ur good enough or tall enough
@jamesswinbanks Жыл бұрын
You’ve made a video about Martinez without actually talking about him. Well done.
@pash.d1 Жыл бұрын
Although hes short which is essentially a major disadvantage for a premier league centreback, its easily made up by his incredible game awareness, desicion making and defensive prowess. Martinez is an agressive ball playing CB and plays to his strengths which makes him effeient. For example albeit short- Martinez currently holds the highest aerial duel win percentage in the premeir league so far and its because of his great reading of the game and ball flight judgement..
@z.ashikov1790 Жыл бұрын
In few years most of the CB will be short, mobile and with good skills on the ball. This will bring back the physically strong tall strikers 🤔🤔
@danielh4295 Жыл бұрын
The meta shift has already happened with the trend setting managers. Haaland Nunez and Isak are prime examples. Isak not as physical but still 6 4.
@adithyaprasad8586 Жыл бұрын
@@danielh4295 Isak barely gets any headed goals unlike the other two.
@eton13_ Жыл бұрын
This must of been recorded after the first game of the season because Martinez has been pure class these last few games
@NickBradford-ck7ry Жыл бұрын
Looks great so far. Mala, Him, RV, and Diego are looking good lately
@777JayWright777 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, did you just say he has had a difficult start in the premier league? He's been our best player so far this season with back-to-back man of the match performances against Liverpool and Southampton Losing the first 2 games of the season were nothing to do with him at all lol
@batuksri Жыл бұрын
Nope, Martinez is not too short. Why once in a saloon he shot a really tall baddie just using his foot. Cool guy. Cool clear water.
@dezperado618c8 Жыл бұрын
I love your content but you lost me with "moreso now given his difficult start in the PRemier League." Martinez has solidified United's defense. He has the toughness United has been lacking and has had 2 straight clean sheets
@mohammeddmalik Жыл бұрын
0:28 suggests this video was made a few games ago.. 3 wins on the trot, 2 clean sheets and 2 man of the match performances since being partnered with Varane.
@darochavitor Жыл бұрын
It really looks like Man United, one of the biggest clubs in the world, hired Maguire without scouting and getting to know the way his former team used to play and the way he plays
@surajitthakur1507 Жыл бұрын
Philip Lahm ( 5'7 ) one of the greatest rb of all time .
@didactic7034 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, a right back.
@welowee7610 Жыл бұрын
Rb not cb
@mydeadtrim Жыл бұрын
its this english media ploy, martinez is much better than maguire so the medias only option is going for his height.
@surajitthakur1507 Жыл бұрын
What about Carles Puyol ( 5'10 ) one of the best of his generation
@mydeadtrim Жыл бұрын
@@welowee7610 cannavaro, only CB to win a ballandor who was martinez height, world cup winner as well
@ThisIsSinzu Жыл бұрын
It’s hilarious that we looking to a relegated Ben mee & a Swansea city coach for advice and insight on being a limited defender.😂😂
@andorrasrevenge1683 Жыл бұрын
Difficult start was referring to the two matches against Brighton and Brentford(with McGuire) I assume? Cause 1 goal in 3 matches later I’d say Lisandro has been lightning in defense.
@Hugo-pc3fo Жыл бұрын
Anyone that's watched united so far knows he's been the standout performer. By far the best cb we've had in years and he's made varane look so much better too
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Жыл бұрын
This seems to be a legacy issue in England specifically where defending Is still seen as ‘a big man job’ to win headers and tackle hard. But football has moved on defenders need technical skill to pass the ball now (not just blast it 50 yards every time) reading the game and anticipating opponents movements is more effective, a good football brain has nothing to do with your height and it’s time English football realised that especially when the best team in England have guardiola as manager who has always prioritised technique and finesse over strength and power
@davidfofana1669 Жыл бұрын
Exactly my position. I believe its also an English thing. Harry Maguire is a perfect example of why size is irrelevant nowadays
@liamthelad Жыл бұрын
This point would make a lot more sense if city's cbs were as small, or if Guardiola hadn't gone out and signed a 6 foot 4 wrecking ball of a player in Haaland
@Khigha87 Жыл бұрын
This is such a useless topic. What I loved about football growing up was the fact that anyone willing could play. You always leverage your strengths to overcome you weaknesses. Whether you big, small, tall, short, fast or slow you could find a specialty in the sport and contribute to the team. The fact that it is a team sport means you can leverage others' strengths too. There are successful footballers in every position in every size. How can you ask if someone is too short to do a job when there is evidence of them successfully doing it? Not every topic that's trending or comes across your table is worth entertaining, and I'm disappointed in Tifo for failing to make this distinction in this case.
@l...m9415 Жыл бұрын
Martinez's height directly caused 2 goals in the 1st 2 games yet still united fans claim his height isn't a problem at all. Its clearly a topic worth exploring.
@sususegar Жыл бұрын
@@l...m9415 before Leicester, Martinez's height won all but one aerial duel, and that was against Liverpool. It's clearly not the issue. Varane is also the perfect partner as he's much more cultured on the ball, thus allowing faster ball circulation and distribution between them and the dropping midfielder. Maguire is utterly slow and Martinez was trying to clean up all of Maguire's and Shaw's mess, which many wrongly mistaken as his fault. The topic worth exploring is not his height, but the English media bias and dinosaur pundits.
@Liquidcadmus Жыл бұрын
anyone who focuses on height over talent in football, has no idea about what football is all about. the greatest players in history have all been short. there's even been amazing Goalkeepers that were short.
@bonimage Жыл бұрын
The title of the video should be "Why Man Utd's Harry Maguire left on the bench for 3 straight match?"
@Sky-fp5mq Жыл бұрын
one name that every football fans should know and remember... Franco Baresi. one of the greatest defender ever, probably the greatest next to Beckenbauer. he is a perfect example that you dont have to be tall and big to become a good defender. keep that in mind folks.
@anillchandi Жыл бұрын
Difficult start??? Mate, he’s been outstanding in the last few games?!
@Obetv01 Жыл бұрын
There is this lie that repeatedly gets told that Martinez had a difficult start in the premier league. Those who actually watched the games in question know that this is a lie. The lie got spun to perpetuate the myth that his height made him unsuitable to the premier league as they had wanted to believe. I'd invite these folk to go re watch those games. Even in his "worst" game he was still dropping a 7/10. Go watch the games.
@rishabprakash2541 Жыл бұрын
Harry Maguire used to dominate in Leister because they always had very strong defensive midfielders, so he was much more comfortable sitting back as the last man defense, on of his strengths. With united he was always expected to move the ball higher up the pitch and run back on defense or press high to stop counter attacks early which is his weakness. Martinez and Varane suits that style of play perfectly
@Jovid-cq9pb Жыл бұрын
Let's be real, it is a handicap
@Mathewkevinbinu Жыл бұрын
Maguire was the problem
@BigDeyum Жыл бұрын
No
@thhthtrht Жыл бұрын
1:16 “Defending is more technical now … say me” what lol 😂
@felipenachmanowicz9393 Жыл бұрын
Why nobody mentions Ivan Cordoba? He was an amazing defender, like AMAZING.
@mydeadtrim Жыл бұрын
his poor start is due to maguire being absoloutely awful except at being tall
@leface30 Жыл бұрын
Varane Martinez reminds me of pique Puyol partnership
@LiamLovegrove Жыл бұрын
"Given his difficult start in the Premier League" When was this episode recorded?
@akshaypanwar4964 Жыл бұрын
Look height doesn't matter and I'm a Liverpool fan and I'm siding with Martinez . Martinez is a South American and we know this much they have a different bit of grit in them and bite in their game , if Martinez has that in his game , he won't have many problems. But the problem is he good enough to help UTD . The legendary Carvalho was not the tallest but he's one of the greatest cb to ever play this beautiful game .
@samwize28 Жыл бұрын
Well said. His height CAN be an issue, if for example Peter Crouch was in the opposition team and targets him. But those scenarios will only come up a few times a season - and in which case players like Maguire/Casemiro/McTom can be utilised to negate that drawback. He's (so far) a fantastic signing.
@akshaypanwar4964 Жыл бұрын
@@samwize28 Not Maguire 🤣
@samwize28 Жыл бұрын
@@akshaypanwar4964 yeh, maybe not maguire to be fair haha
@Jurmeytobgyevideos Жыл бұрын
before even starting the video, I think many top quality players have proven that there is never an issue on being too anything as long as the drive and talent is there. Haaland for example was said to flop in the prem, and so far that is not the case. Modric for madrid proved everyone wrong as well as others such as robert pires for arsenal
@NostalgiNorden Жыл бұрын
Who defuq said Haaland would flop? All i heard was praises all summer.
@Jurmeytobgyevideos Жыл бұрын
@@NostalgiNorden there was doubt over whether he could perform in the prem. One such example I can recall off the top of my head is Rory Jennings, a Chelsea fan who on sky sports said haaland would flop
@prashantsharma1865 Жыл бұрын
He is already better than van dijk
@Geeoorggee Жыл бұрын
Wow
@alvinaditya1610 Жыл бұрын
thats funny
@Los__Merengues Жыл бұрын
Varane clear of both
@koen-208 Жыл бұрын
The hate against united players is going too far. Players are being judged before even having played a single game. How can you say a player is 'too short' to play in a league when he hadn't even played his first game? Now he has shown to be class so far, proving the hate wrong.
@municejr Жыл бұрын
Remember Koscielny? He was not the tallest but was really good
@hermankermit-warm1121 Жыл бұрын
Apparently tifo only cover man utd these days. Thanks for a player profile on their entire squad and nothing on anyone else. Super interesting seeing as these topics are never covered by anyone else.🙂👍
@vta2265 Жыл бұрын
It's literally their first video on United in like 2 months
@loganz20939 Жыл бұрын
Watch the video. They only mention Martinez in the beginning……………..
@hermankermit-warm1121 Жыл бұрын
@@vta2265 obviously you're joking.
@hermankermit-warm1121 Жыл бұрын
@@loganz20939 I'm good, tifos content is starting to become boring.
@jashandeepsingh6402 Жыл бұрын
It's not a player analysis on Martinez. If you had you seen the video, you'd have realised they just used the controversy around Martinez to present an analysis on how modern centre backs are evolving in the game. Brentford's Ben Mee has more mentions in the video than Martinez.
@oliverhughes610 Жыл бұрын
This kind of attitude - the fixation on having good ball carriers, midfield profile type defenders etc - does play a significant role in those games that a lot of big clubs have where a team sits deep and plays on the counter, relying on set pieces or route one. You know the type - the 70 vs 30 possession, 24 shots to 2, losing 1-0. Point being, clubs should recruit and train both bigger and smaller defenders, in order to be prepared for each eventuality.
@jeems2066 Жыл бұрын
Revisiting this and Martinez hasn't really done much wrong, such a gem of a player.
@mafiousbj Жыл бұрын
Guy was god tier vs Liverpool. Never heard of him before but the guy has incredible attitude and stamina, much more compromise with the team than many other past transfer from Man Utd
@finno-px6of Жыл бұрын
Martinez has just won our POTM and has been the standout for 3 games now. I haven’t been this confident in our defence since Rio and vidic
@solowali10 Жыл бұрын
Lisandro has passion. something our CBs have lacked since the days of vidic.
@iceman_7 Жыл бұрын
“Difficult start in the premier league” what??? Man’s been KILLING it at the heart of defence. Clean sheets consecutively since partnering up with Varane & not the fridge.
@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын
clearly the video was made after the first two games. now that he's played amazing in the last three games i don't know why they bothered to make this video...
@liamthelad Жыл бұрын
We can over-intellectualise this all we want, and as he's a shiny new expensive he's going to have a honeymoon period where he is defended for a while. But from a standing start at set pieces you have an advantage reaching higher balls if you are taller. United have to work around that. There's plenty of amazing tall cbs, but they had to work far harder to achieve what they did, so Martinez will too. I loved Daley Blind for his intelligence and there's so many parallels - shorter (but not as short), left footed, great on the ball. But his lack of physicality kept being an issue which meant he had a limit on his capability. It's a long old season, and if martinez keeps playing like he has and keeping clean sheets he'll be invaluable. But if teams like Brentford get success hoofing it at him for 45 minutes, or he loses out to Isak or Haaland for a header and we drop points, it'll be an issue. Essentially the only way this debate is really solved is via each and every game. But a cb needs to challenge for headers, somehow. There's no getting around that
@equinox5986 Жыл бұрын
Lisandro being short beats so many tall CB that do nothing but being tall, and is a prime example of how something everyone sees as a weakness, can become your biggest strenght, a pitbull will beat anyone, because it's will is greater than his rival's size.
@jamesmcshane1914 Жыл бұрын
”Difficult start" This line did not age well. Not only was he not at fault for any of the goals v Burnley or Brentford he has been brilliant since.
@bdsyndicate Жыл бұрын
Not forgetting the strengths of a tall centre half when it comes to their goal threat on corners
@arjunramachandran4141 Жыл бұрын
I know the video may have been in the making for a while, but Martinez along with Varane have been pivotal in United maintaining 2 clean sheets in the last three games and winning 3 out of the last three.
@georgemann4331 Жыл бұрын
yeah this was definitely written before he got consecutive motms, nice to see the argument of height not mattering for a defender, it’s an obvious advantage but a good defender makes up for what he lacks in height
@LiloDemon Жыл бұрын
Thiago Silva is 5'11" and Marquinhos is 6'0". They are considered shorts for their position, if look at it. But they are quite fast, they tackle very well and even have good position for aerial defensive and offensive plays.
@D10995 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on the value of atmosphere in football stadiums, like when opposition teams go to Anfield and have such a difficult time because of the atmosphere inside.
@seanharricharan9191 Жыл бұрын
The thing about Martinez, what he lacks in height, he makes up for in distribution, tenacity and aggression. But that kinda begs the question, he could have made a perfect DM so why didn't ETH play him there at first because of how much ManU was struggling in that department.
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