me... i feel martian manhunter is a more interesting character tbh

why not both? :D

my hand is raised HIGH! Lol!

DC is just throwing a black character in there to seem diverse, like who gives a fuck about cyborg man. DC's ethnic characters will forever be lame lol

Definitely

R MCX u have thanos n doomsday n what not.

Darkseid

Wonder777 Warrior doomsday is a walking tank only thing not op about him is his Brian

@@manuelp6791 which makes him cool. He is unpredictable

@@fuckoff6431.

Anti-Kryptonite.

Martian Manhunter has also been knocked out by lightning.

....wait, MM was never really hurt by fire? He was just afraid of it?!

Chris Michael If Martian Manhunter overcomes that fear, he turns into an unstoppable Monster, called fernus with freaking abilities like sentry who turns into void, which makes Martian Manhunter more interesting.

Yes, he is invulnerable to fire but he has a psychological trauma from it because he watched his family and planet burned.

Martian Manhunter has gotten his ass whupped by Doomsday twice. The first time MM didn't even hurt him. MM also got whupped by a Kandorian with Superman's powers

King Ramesez Martian manhunter is still better I mean all you have to do is just look at their abilities and compare and you’ll see that MM would beat Supes

@@scinnyc pretty much Everybody has had their ass whooped by doomsday. Once he "dies" by a method he becomes immune to that method of death.

Nice

My wife says I got Martian breath lol

khxml 444th like

@@Meat47 hahaha

yeah cause superman is there.

Bruce Timm did the same to Superman in the animated series. TV shows have to nerf them in order for the episodes to last longer.

im watching both young justice and justice league on netflix and its upsetting how quickly they always take him down.

Yeah.

yeeeeep

Yes everyone relates to a farmboy from kansas

@Goku is better than Vegeta lol Superman is not lame and hating doesn't make your favorite character powerful

@Goku is better than Vegeta lol he's not lame if you read his other comics. The Dragonball is becoming boring cuz everyone already knows that Goku will win in the end there's no other characters that can shine cuz Goku is the Golden boy which is pretty boring. Superman is so much better

@Goku is better than Vegeta lol ohh Goku is still boring than Superman tbh

Superman is the single most important character in American comics industry history.As without the success of the initial Superman stories, would there even be such popularity for comic book characters as we have currently.Had Superman failed would we even have seen Batman, Wonder Woman and many other comic book characters.Indeed would the company that became Marvel Comics, even be started if.Superman had been a failure, rather than a success, in those early days of comic books. The entire American comics industry owes a lot more to Superman, than any other superhero character out there.

experiences he has suffered

Luca C he can turn into Fernus.

The most recent comics revealed that he isn't weak to fire but he is actually scared with him because of all the stuff that happened in mars, he got over it during forever evil though

Due to the....???? Finish your sentence damn it!!

Wonder777 Warrior he did, the first reply is him finishing it

They said in it that he is the most powerful man on the planet

that's because the writers were feminists trying make all the men on the show look weak

Hopefully in season 2 they explore his character more, but they definitely put an emphasis on the ladies, and had him be kind of secretive

What I think is that he is purposefully holding back with his powers to not be in trouble with the government, and that in season 2 we are really going to see the full range of his limitless abilitiesm

Kinda? No. SUPER

No he's not

Yes he is

+Jerquan Washington Proof?

+Xavere Ricketts superman said so himself and he has no weakness anyone who comes at him would just get mind controlled and etc.

fire is his weakness

Agosto D'Andrea You mean superboy prime?

max robinson Superman prime is Superman resurrected, and Martian man-hunter fought Superman prime when supes was evil

He also defeated superboy prime.

frankie migs superman prime was never evil. You are wrong on so levels. Superman was ressurected into a God yes, but he was never evil and manhunter never fought him he fought superBOY prime, a more powerful superman who loses his shit

load of bullshit by idiots who know nothing. Martian Manhunter attempted to fight Superboy Prime and got killed. Superboy prime is the same as Superman Prime. The one you idiots are refering is Superman One million aka golden superman from Dc one million who would also kill manhutners ass.

Agreed

I gree

Agreed.

Agreed.

its not really an issue providing the villains are OP as well

In real life people get beat so they learn and get better. Batman, Ironman, Spider-man use weapons that vary based on opponents. Cops today can do things they didn't know about long ago such as finger prints, DNA test, profiling, etc. Also have swat teams with special weapons and tactics might use tear gas, smoke bombs, sound, bright light, bullet resistant vests, rapid fire and long range weapons, even helicopters and airplanes.

At least he's better than other characters who are OP like Carol Danvers and Rey.

I don't think the issue lies exactly on characters being "intrinsically overpowered" or the necessity for growth through "failure then triumph", its more on the execution of such concepts. What is the basis of this execution, it relies primarily on the character's depth and of the story's world building. From my perspective, I think its unfair to smear against stories such as Bleach which relies on storylines through "failure then triumph", since their world building requires them to do so. Indeed, characters in these stories fail, go through training, learn, then proceed victorious, however its *not* like it was written *solely* for the sake of a character to overcome an obstacle, often times, it provides a reflection for the faults characters carry. For the case in Bleach (since you pointed it out), it is a necessary plotline since the numerous trainings the main character has undergone did not simply enhance the capabilities of the character witnessed, but it has also provided extended insight onto the necessity of an established bond between the Zanpakuto and its user in order to achieve full potential, especially noting the fact that it is established lore that the Zanpakuto spirit is an extension of one's individual self, thus why the all of the trainings Ichigo undertook after the SS arc primarily took place within his "inner world". Just because you only saw Ichigo do it doesn't mean it was something "special" for him, it was established lore that these were necessary for every other Shinigami. Though of course you do make a point, the Mugetsu training in particular, but it still had a redeeming quality on how its consistency on to the intentions with the previous ones. On overpowered characters on the other hand, I do agree that not all them are boring, because once again it relies onto the characters goals he/she wish to achieve. There is a difference between op characters who wish to utilize their capabilities in order to achieve their ideals for the world, for this case characters such as Martian Manhunter, and there are those op characters who utilize their powers just for the sake of using them, a casual use of it. Some also have particularly weak and underwhelming goals, leading to people criticizing them to being boring. Bottomline is it's highly reliant on to the narrative structure that surrounds the characters. Its reliant on to the ideals these characters carry, and on whether these ideals carry any weight on them, not necessarily on them being "op" or the "progressive growth achieved through failure"

Bleach just gotten worse over time

Rasgonras What did you say about me?

You're crazy. And prepared. You need to cheer up. Buy a goldfish.

Rasgonras did you just say.....batman is op.......omg , batman fans are so blind sometimes

Batman isn't op but they way they make batman the way is by always being prepared and always outsmarting people i see why he said this

Rasgonras Boooo wtf batman could dooo could time travel like flash?? Dude wake up batman couldnt even lift the wieght of fhe earth let alone staying in the sun for 15000 years, he would be dead mate. Flash yeah he is cool very fast and have an infinite punch means it is very powerful, and theres this thing like heart attack where his hand move so fast it will go straight through bodies.

Agreed! My best friend loves superman and he is favorite superhero. I on the other hand think that superman is as a good of a character as Jar Jar Binks. Martian Manthunter is a great character because he has such a cool personality and tragic backstory and I think that he better than Sups. He could easiy beat superman in 8/10

Agreed! My best friend loves superman and he is favorite superhero. I on the other hand think that superman is as a good of a character as Jar Jar Binks. Martian Manthunter is a great character because he has such a cool personality and tragic backstory and I think that he better than Sups. He could easiy beat superman in 8/10

Zano 7 Manhunter is vulnerable to fire Supes heat vision is hot enough for a fire.

SanicThe Hedgehog Yeah but It is not been official if he vunerable to fire mentally of physically. In the new 52 and rebirth it is mental.

Zano 7 Well that's a different comparison. They both have a tragic story. Both of them had their race annihilated. Superman is my favorite character, but Martian Manhunter is my second. He is probably the most underrated member of the Justice League, there's a lot of people who don't believe that he was an original member and believe that cyborg is. But I wouldn't say he can beat Superman by a wide margin. I say it would be a tie.

Josh64440 manhunter means "police" on mars

wondering this too.

W

#batmangetsrapedinthejusticeleaguelockeroombyeveryrealsuperhero

+Jai Giovanni wtf

+MeztheDanceCrab whatever you do don't picture it in your head

+Jai Giovanni I'm scared

Sébastien Raffaut me too

@BackUp Acc1 mmh would mind rape sentry

Shazam i like better thor +Superman =shazam

@@dawson9443 haha good joke

@@dawson9443 check out sentry powers

True

It's fire it's everyone's weakness

The sun is everyones weakness lol

But fire still can't hurt him... It's just a mental shutdown...

I believe in the Flashpoint universe he managed to overcome his fear of fire and realize it was all in his head though. That or some other universe

Superman loses against Goku....

"My made up character is better than yours " And one punch man destroys Goku , or my own Comic character TheFingererOfJustice can stick his fingers into peoples ass's and kill them and he cant die no matter what and has no weakness.

+Mutsu Hanma impossible goku is the dumb superhero ever i see in anime how can superman lose against him superman is infinitely better than him in every single way

They got wiped out from a mental disease that made it so that they had to cut themselves off telepathically from the rest of their kind. No one could do it, because it was like pulling out your soul basically, but Martian Manhunter could. He watched his wife and child die in front of him as they accepted their fate, and he shut himself off. He's like the Batman of the Martians. Except he has a sadder backstory.

lol thats exactly what i was thinking

For like 1 minute

he looked like straight shut though

@@MrREAPERsz so?

@@Double0hobo yeah but still

@Ribby The Party Frog yep, u hope so

Yeah, and I really like the moments, when he turns into an enormous dragon. It's priceless!

He's like the piccolo of DC that always standing at the corner behind Superrman(Goku) & batman (Vegeta) lmfao

@@RPGHSGAMING yep

that would be cool

+Hayden Roberts yeah imagine during the Justice League movie!! That would be the biggest plot twist ahaha

Still not an impossibility. As to why he would choose not to reveal himself just yet with Zod and Doomsday he could simply say "Why would I have needed to when _you're_ here.... Clark?" **audience flips the fuck out**

+SuperShanko that would be awesome.

I doubt Snyder would think of that

Wally West, next question?

its berry allen smartass lol

Wally west

QuickSilver SnD​ No such hero as Berry Allen smartass but im going to assume you meant BARRY Allen. Either way, no, Wally has better speed feats.. plus he has better speedforce powers such as absorbing speed which makes him much faster than any of the other speedsters. During the human race issue all the other speedsters gave all their speed to Wally cus they kno he's the best of them.

+QuickSilver SnD nope Wally west is he wasn't at first because of a mental block In his mind

Superman ain’t nowhere near dr Manhattan

Random Username Would you consider MM a close comparison to Doctor Manhattan?

no, Manhattan is basically a fifth dimensional being and mm is not

@@sickkunt1573 Didn't Superman take on Emperor Joker?

@@sickkunt1573 I think Doctor Fate is close. But Darkseid is above Manhattan.

booster gold would definitely be on that list

He has one

+brianpoole33 Not really Booster gold is pretty good

+brianpoole33 booster gold is amazing

+brianpoole33 DP will also be on the list.

jl united is not a cartoon but its a jl team that mmh is leading i think he meant that

United is a DC moive

atleast he got a cameo

says the one with nobody paying attention to him :P

there was a comic called united he just got mixed up 'you rookie'

ummmmmmmm *"

Still, the speaker in this video is a moronic with little to no logic

+Dan Zhukov jealous much

That's because Saitama is a parody of extremely overpowered heroes, such as Superman.

Exactly

Superman isn't even that op though, he used to be in the silver age

Saitama isn't overpowered only in his universe he is.

Sorry, buddy, but he most certainly is over-powered, even by other universes' standards. He is basically invulnerable and can (as his name implies) take opponents out with little more than a single punch, and that's at a fraction of his full power.

Luis Ramirez Because he's scared of fire...

Luis Ramirez Nope, Shazam is still stronger, alone the power of Zeus would destroy every single hero. 1. Shazam 2. Martian Manhunter 3. Superman

Deniz Isi the power of Zeus don't mean scratch if u cant hit him fam

Deniz Isi eh. Just saying mmh can turn into rubber, so this is bullshit.

Luis Ramirez what do you not powerful Can you survive with fried brain?

he is in an alternate universe so batman does not no who that is

And?

He will soon in Rebirth

if you haven't heard the news watchmen is part of dc rebirth

No... Haven't read recent Darkseid War / DC Rebirth? Watchmen IS new 52-CANON!

+VariantComics PLEASE SAY HI

+VariantComics look on my civil war 2 comic and U are really awosome when it comes to comic

No s**t?! I know what I'm doing this weekend!

+David Bell ikr?

That show Is so unbelievably depressing I love It

So superman possess weakness which other characters like batman exploit to their advantage but it doesn't negate his overall status of being stronger.

.......Ok.....I posted that comment because Superman has an obvious weakness. Martian Manhunter most simple weakness is fire. That could've been a good reason why he's not the strongest. Though the dude is still an awesome bad ass.

it was a mental weakness, not a physical one. He is no longer weak to fire.

+The Impossible kid Whaaaaaat? Really? Thanks for telling me. I gotta look this up.

+Phillip Romar yeah if i remember rightly the white martians put a mental block on him to make him afraid of fire, because that was actually the key to green martians evolution or something along those lines.

Yeah...but he's still the most human so...deal with it.

Sean C facts i dont got all that money

Honestly I always thought Spiderman was much more relatable than Batman.

dude that was an awesome comment...lmao youre right somehow batman should be more relatable

@@goku-im3dk he's not the most human. I'd argue Nightwing and Green Arrow are more relatable as humans

Kerry Auguste Shazam isn't that strong all you would have to do is trick him into yelling his name. And the flash can just be stopped by a frictionless surface. Doctor fate protects the world from mystical threats so all Martian man hunter would have to do is use telekinesis

Paul Tan how can you exactly get a frictionless surface?

Paul Tan frictionless surface like space

Paul Tan he ran in space

nick rodgers yeh flash ran thru space and out beats a teleporter running

+VariantComics haha, just wanted to make sure there wasnt another Justice League cartoon I havent seen, although, that would be an awesome follow up to Justice League Unlimited! kinda wished that they did one about the future heros, like old static, warhawk, and terry batman!

+VariantComics do shazam please

+VariantComics Hey Barry I made a video for you and Scott there any of those videos for you you're awesome huge shout out

+VariantComics and can you do the different Origen's of Spidey 2099

yes he meant unlimited

2 words. Mind Attack

He would solo the entire DBZ verse.

lol, any DC character can beat anything outside its medium. Who gives a shit? Bottom line is Goku would be a shit character if his powers were clearly defined and he was only about strength.

You don't even need Martian Man Hunter for that.

***** Martian Manhunter is massively faster than light and can become intangible. He could litterally walk through them while pulling out all their major organs.

regardless of what I call the video, The link is not in the description.

sometimes people forget things

The Chimmichanga Agreed. The "He is not meant to lose" argument is a bit of a cop out. Love both regardless of opinion.

David Bulger IKR!

Saitama would erase him

Hillary4Pres AlwaysWithHer Oh, my God! No one cares about that debate anymore, let it go!

Superman actually isn't close to the most powerful superhero in the DC universe, DC has even told that.

its cool man :)

+VariantComics superman trained himself so his is brain locked from telepaths look up superman vs the elite

Martian Manhunter trained with Superman, to be strong against mind control. All-out Martian Manhunter (Fernus ) could still mess with his mind, and Max Lord through subtle tampering. But no one is immune to painful mind blasts.

I wonder how tough Supes would be if he was trained by gods like Zeus or Odin...

Firestorm can literally turn lead into gold.

Firestorm can beat Superman and mmh he can create kryptonite from air and can create fire fights over

parKb5 his name is fine

parKb5 he doesn't get media coverage

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😥 superbreath

Get Superman

I would eat the fire

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But Marvel copies DC sooooo no

How? How was Iron Man a Batman ripoff? Iron Man is an alcoholic billionaire genius with an unstable morality that loves to build robotic suits so he can fight crime. Batman is a billionaire detective that has mastered all Martial Arts in order to try to fix his city as a tribute to his parents deaths by borderline crippling his opponents with his fists. Somehow i don't see the resemblance.

.... the way you compare iron man and batman is so irrelevant and doesn't even make sense.

shut the fuck up!

A Cat They copy each other, all comics companies do. There are only so many ideas and powers out there, and often times the copycats are made by people paying tribute to a character's creator, as an inside joke(i.e. deadpool), or made by the same guy(i.e. Thanos and Darkseid). In case you didn't know, Aquaman is the original copycat, as Namor,a marvel character, predates him. And also, Silver Surfer with the Inifinity Gauntlet predates Superman 1 million, by almost a decade. I was pointing out the obvious, not for debate, or inane comments, but because it was funny. I just forgot that because this is the internet, that if you don't put "lol" in your comment, people get offended.

Wow...i didn't know that. He's that powerful? I mean I know he is but specter is like way op.

+Panos Gamer Don't listen to this guy Martian Manhunter is probably tied with the flash in terms of power, he is the strongest superhero, Superman wouldn't stand a chance.

Isn't it Presence then lucifer/Michael?

+Paora simon but they are not heros

there are SO many beings thousands of times stronger than him

+Demonic Overlord who you talking about

you want me to give you examples?

Superman?

Hulk is probably like the 105th most powerful being in his universe maybe even higher like 200,unless you mean world breaker.

Captain Atom

+anawesomechannel he doesn't count. His power is whatever the writers say it is. He's an ideal not a hero.

no, the hulk, not even close. Enough heat will eventually vaporize him, or you can outlive him, or just pull the hulk out of banner. Phantom zone works to... Also, he wouldnt manouver well in space. Freezing...

Yes

But is The presence considered an actual superhero or an entity such as a god.I would say the latter. And say Spectre I definitely know is portrayed as a superhero, and very powerful too.For a superhero.

God leveled characters are fucking boring cuz they just think anything out of existence or bend reality then THE END. WTF

He can and he has

Banman He just can.

He has never not even in d comics.. Go fanboys