From 16.7 to 50ms? Thats a huge difference

I'm very confused by this video. Correct me if i'm reading it wrong: is your graph showing that any input command will tied into monitor refresh rate with Vsync ON? and will be left freely with Vsync OFF ?.

That is correct, Hardware Unboxed. When I played certain games, like Mass Effect 2/3 (by changing an .ini file) and Deus Ex HR I immediately noticed the added input lag, it anoyed me so much that I immediately quit playing it and disabled VSync and yes, after that the game ran a lot smoother. You mostly notice it when you move the mouse, the change of the camera on the monitor lags a lot. You can easily tell that the input lag is considerably more than double compared to when VSync is disabled. Apparently 1/20th to 1/10th of a second is quite noticeable for humans, I know that for out of sync sound even less than 10 ms. is noticeable. Give me FreeSync: no tearing and not much added input lag. You did kind of explain why it more than 50 ms instead of 16.7 ms but it would be nice if you would be more elaborate on that part, it is the most interesting: the entire pipeline.

I also can confirm out of experience that 85 FPS runs better on a 60 Hz monitor than 60 FPS for the same game. You really do notice that it is more smooth. For example, I used to play Borderlands2 with Fraps on to test out PhysX (AMD card, PhysX via CPU by 'hacking' a file).

It's complicated by the fact that the system is still rendering those extra frames then it has to sort out the frames it's actually going to use so there's an increase in latency due to the frame sorting that occurs.

im not watching the video but i let it on so he gets some watchtime

he really deserves that

very amazing

Dark Matt'erZ people like u should get an award

Many creators focus on videos for Patreon now, so could be the reason why it's formatted like that. I think some channels like LTT make different cuts of the same video for Floatplane and KZfaq with maybe few differences in flow/format to suit their click baity titles on KZfaq but not every creator would spend time on something like that, which maybe why this video gets straight to the point? Even sponsor spots on HU, JayZ are usually way better, tolerable and also informative and enjoyable even compared to LTT so it can be digested by paying customers even if these channels leave it in.

I overclocked my gaming chair to 6,5ghz on all 64 cores

@@widowmakerx7 It doesn't work that way, but you can always use RGB ;)

@@hades6933 LOL xD

@@xtraucox had no choice, it was so small I sometimes couldn't find it. So now I just use a remote to turn the RGB on and boom. I can now use my penis when I please.

This one got me😂🤣

Is this a joke?

Popcycle well if u got ran in ur pc u prolly get good FPS cuz that shits prolly new

Popcycle no he’s being serious... fucking moron

@@ruufiss9922 "got ran" what in the hell does that mean lmao. Even if it's a joke that still confuses me.

@@plasmaoctopus1728 ram*

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Jarrod'sTech like a damn person can see the core at all....duh

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William Peng the link please

William Peng yes lol

The link

T H E L I N K

@@ghawkins7106 www.refreshrate.com

Good for you mate. To me, it just hertz. 💀

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Underrated joke

I feel a bottle on my neck!

Lmao i read this underclock

He meant that backwards

Nicholas Baker No he didn’t. He gave the reason early on.

He explained first then gave the reasons for his explanation

Nicholas Baker 135 likes suggests otherwise.

@@nickolagi bruh just stfu

They will execute u there m8

witchcraft wasn't something taken lightly back then

I feel like that medieval dude trying to process this info

Coronavirus is here guys, no 1000years

I'm sure they had 340fps gaming back then

DarkReturns yea they mentioned this video coming months ago from my recollection.

No shout out though

JayP Tek where's Steve? He's pay off the team right

Yeah buddy, you're the chosen one. They made this video all because of you buddy! Congrats!! 👏 *We're not worthy, we're not worthy*

Me : YES

This is the only correct answer.

1,000(there's no dot)fps is enough.

@@laos85 1000 fps is a bit extreme dont you think? even with my 2080 i get 400-600 on most games

@@mikethepublisher7910 human's eyes can detect 1,000 frame per seconds max so that is all we need.

Still so many retards have disliked this video

Thank you

thanks

Thanks

Funfact i dont get the conclusion. So techinally its good to have fps exceed refresh or?

@@icebear1342 yes. But it may cause tearing. Technically speaking, you will feel the same "smoothness" when comparing 60 fps to say 90 fps in 60 hz. The difference is that in higher fps, it will provide some benefit such as reduced input lag etc. To conclude, you can only see the smoothness of 60 fps in 60hz if that makes sense. In higher refresh rate say 144hz, you are able to feel the smoothness up to 144fps. Even moving the cursor felt buttery smooth.

240hz display basically renders all of this a non issue. Although wallet tearing and income stuttering are potential side effects.

I use fastsync, tim talked about in the video.

I have a gsync monitor with an isp panel so it's 4ms response time but with the gsync hardware U avoid the input lag produced from vsync so it balances itself out

M. V. Shooting get ready to pay a lot

Yeah, flexable refresh rate would be the best solution. Some cheap alternatives to try: either "adaptive vsync" (it holds vsync aslong as FPS>Hz, and runs without vsync if FPS

i always match my lag with my fps works wonders in CS xD

Jo

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No. Screen tearing will lower your performance

@@chrissouthall411 lol

Not if you got 64bit eyesight

Your Pc requires more ram if you can only see 4.

it can see 16 GB of ram easily !!!!

But only in single channel.

And all this time we have been downloading ram for nothing...

Your punctuation is still better than mine tho 😂

Same here, lol..

Worry cus hard is English

@@gqld1001 yies

yea i can't stand tearing it's really distracting

@@jebus456 breaks the immersion

Say what

@@ShaneStanley109 what

Eh?

should i r/whoosh the comments ?

@@metameow1 no no no

i play the same way. In league of legends i let my 1080ti gimmie that 200fps with no vsync, but in ac odyssey i gatta have vsync on, otherwise i might as well play on console like a pleb and bring shame to my family.

@Jonathan Soko nope i agree because withourt vsync it doesnt feel as smooth

I would say fast or enhanced sync for competition. Artifacts can easily cause you to miss a shot in a twitch fps.

I would say no sync is best sync, even in casual, single player games - just get decent hardware.

@@zatozatoichi7920 v sync in control panel works best for me

I have to recognize that I consider the input lag of the gpu far from being as bad as screen tearing. With Vsync and a serious enough gpu then you are exploiting the maximum capacity of your monitor without having an image that makes less sense for giving informations than a slightly delayed but clean picture

Thanks Vinay, appreciate it.

are you an osu! player? How would I enable fast sync in osu?

Aye, osu! is the game I use it in primarily. You're gonna have to do it from the Nvidia control panel. go to 3d settings, then select program settings from there. you should be able to choose osu! from the drop down list, but if it doesn't show up, you can just add it. the option for fast sync appears under "vertical sync" all the way at the bottom. alternatively you can just make it a global setting, but i'm not sure how that will work for some games.

Well, I always disable any type of vsync in osu. Usually the game runs at 800 fps with background video and above 1000 fps without. Strangely, I never notice any tearing on my 144Hz monitor. (Maybe I suck and can only play easy maps? I usually play at 4-5 stars though)

Oh, I have no issues running the game. But it most certainly tears running above my monitor's refresh rate, at least in Mania mode. personally i'm still waiting on the price of 240Hz monitors to come down to help alleviate it further, but it's definitely there. I generally only play 2-low 4 star maps, but all the maps i play are over 220 BPM, so the note move very quickly, and that's how i've come to notice the difference.

Oh, I see. I only play the standard osu mode and taiko mode. Tearing is not noticeable at least in those modes.

@QUAD849 nah limiting ur fps will cause input lag. I tried.

@QUAD849 I used fps limiter and never got input lag. Believe me it's better thank v sync.

@QUAD849 But isn't vsync limiting my framerates? I can't go over my monitor's refresh rate with vsync, so it's also limiting my framerate.

V sync basically just syncs your gpu to the refresh rate of the monitor,so if you have a 60hz monitor but your gpu does over 120fps,you can either stick to 60hz or turn vsync off for faster reflexes.

What mean?

Heyyy explain fast sync

Like Tim showed, FastSync (or AMD EnhancedSync) uses three buffers instead of two; GPU renders frame to buffer 3, moves it to buffer 2 when completed, and monitor swaps that into buffer 1 on each monitor refresh. So if GPU can render 2½ times as fast as the monitor, it won't have to wait idle for the monitor to swap buffers any more. Buffer 2 will be much more recent than without FastSync/EnhancedSync but is still a complete frame, meaning less input to display lag and no screen tearing, giving a smoother experience. Also if your GPU cannot keep up with your monitor, FastSync/EnhancedSync will simply let your monitor pull latest incomplete frame from buffer 3 directly to its buffer 1 (gives screen tearing but less input lag). Oh, you were probably joking on second reading :P oh well, still a good brief synopsis of Fast/Enhanced Sync I guess :) might also be interested in RTSS RivaTuner tool's scanline sync function, which tries to shift the screen tearing line to the bottom or top of your monitor so it's less noticeable; then you can disable Vsync or FastSync/EnhancedSync entirely :)

Does this gives more fps on a 60hz monitor?

@@roelflotriet4331 Latent Sync caps the frame rate at your monitors refresh rate (or a fraction of it) just like vSync. But due to how it's done, it can give you the same input latency as higher frame rates.

@@drunkhusband6257 This is completely different from VRR. This is designed to reduce latency on non VRR displays (or when using black frame insertion which is incompatible with VRR). G-Sync also doesn't feature any input bias.

Read this if you want a flawless experience. It's possible to entirely remove the downside of V-Sync and be bound to the refresh rate itself. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=668808553

I don't want to sound like crazy, but i didn't had any tearing in most games on my old 2008 samsung T220 monitor, i moved to a new Samsung SF350 and i started to have noticeable tearing on games (gladly this monitor has Freesync so that solved the issue) but still it's weird

Shao Zapomni If you cap your framerate below your refresh rate, you are dropping frames every second, by design. That is not a flawless experience for people who do not want any dropped frames whatsoever. Go away with your snake oil BS.

Dude, did you even read the post? that post basically tells how to use v-sync without the typical huge input lag trade-off, which is the ''flawless experience'' he's talking about.

SirSmokeALeet Oh hey it's you mister trying to imply something without actual evidence. Must be snake oil to provide live facts. I'll just throw it back at you and everyone else to see. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rZp7gdCSvLTDgac.html And also anybody else that had actually the proper understanding to begin with reported expected results, what can you do aside using your words? Listening to the people who tries to sell you things? Quite sad, I just want you to prove me wrong but you aren't able to because you are most likely wrong yourself. No evidence, no facts.

Yep lol

@Elijah Ken tearing

Lmfao if you turn on vsync it's completely unplayable experience, everything is just too slow.

Lol and this is exactly what he said

I have a 60 hz panel so when i turn vsync on i cant aim at all in cs go... But after turning off its better fps and better experience.. so refreh rate and fps no relation...

Agree! But still you have to know how to use those technologies(G-Sync or FreeSync) so your input lagg is not negatively affected.

Rahul129K Either use fast sync or cap the frame rate to double or triple the refresh rate of your display on csgo or any other competitive games.

Johnny Appleseed If you want to keep your input lag at a minimum, you still need to limit your FPS. 1-2 FPS below your maximum refresh rate in order for G-Sync or FreeSync to work properly and kick in.

Battle(non)sense video about fast sync showed that in some situations fastsync can cause more stutter and inconsistent frame rates than Vsync so be careful with that

Marco Rovinelli Finally someone that does get it!

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cap fps if you dont tolerate vsync input lags

​@@iikatinggangsengii2471which introduces input lag in of itself in my experience.

Sorry max fps limited to monitor refresh hz 144/144 dont care what videocard programs shows once it is at the monitor point it cant do more and vsync is dead most free sync or Gsync why pay for it

Interesting idea about the radial refresh, that probably would be better. However it would be unreasonably complex to engineer compared to the grid design currently used

AJ C although it would probably be possible to do it on current displays, the refresh rate would be painfully slow because of how progressive screens work

Jesus Meza How slow exactly?

That would require some complex engeneering and screens would probably be much bigger, like 10x bigger, so it's better this way.

Radial refresh would have the same issues as true circular displays. Organizing the pixels in rows and columns and addressing/refreshing them that way is much easier.

Thx

Ty

For what? Skipping the entire point of the video?

@@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_ most of us dont need all the technical stuff. Just summary with a simple explanation

Thanks

WTF, how does it even feel laggy on 60hz 60 fps. Hell no maybe you're too lazy mf to play at 60fps 💀

Losonczi Eduard They did a great job but I think what Battle(non)sense - KZfaq channel does is even better! ;)

Hirens I don't watch them, but I'll take a look at them.

You didn't understand the explanation lol