Is Old Nan a Frey?

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3 жыл бұрын

Hodor's real name is Walder. But that's not the only clue that Hodor has Frey Blood. There are other clues that Hodor's great-grandmother, Old Nan, is a Frey
In this video, we source information from George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series as well as "The World of Ice & Fire" and third novella in "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" | "The Mystery Knight"
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@TheV8Pumpkin
@TheV8Pumpkin 3 жыл бұрын
Old nan was secretly a targaryan she has the silver hair
@xHugoxN7
@xHugoxN7 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@dragospinx1440
@dragospinx1440 3 жыл бұрын
Wait !........ That means my grandmother is a Targaryen as well......lol
@tammymartinez7488
@tammymartinez7488 3 жыл бұрын
Servpounce is a secret Targaryen
@Jockeylotforfun
@Jockeylotforfun 3 жыл бұрын
I laughed 😁 so hard when you tossed in, "so is this the sort of story that you want to hear" during the bedding ceremony...great work as always 🌹
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
:-P ... i was actually thinking of you yesterday. nice to hear from ya, m'lady! =))
@ffxiarcadius
@ffxiarcadius 3 жыл бұрын
Some untold story going on here as well it seems . . .
@Jockeylotforfun
@Jockeylotforfun 3 жыл бұрын
@@ffxiarcadius Aren't those the very best kind?😉
@tulkas42o22
@tulkas42o22 3 жыл бұрын
Old nan was a hottie for sho😈
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
yoooo i did not realize until today ....... that i've seen Old Nan's naked boobies hahahah. (i had to block them out on the "bedding ceremony" art from "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms"
@tulkas42o22
@tulkas42o22 3 жыл бұрын
@@bridge4 hommie...that's on you mayne!😂😂😂 tig ol' bitties 👉👌
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
lolol
@Khoditsky
@Khoditsky 3 жыл бұрын
It would fit in the sense that not all freys are vile and unlikable, showing how people and history can be grey not black and white.
@TheWatcher802
@TheWatcher802 3 жыл бұрын
Not all Freys are vile and unlikable to those who read the books. Stevron Frey, Aegon Frey, Perwyn Frey, Olyvar Frey, Roslin Frey. All likable or at least innocent Freys
@donaldjgumpofficial5754
@donaldjgumpofficial5754 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatcher802 Big Walder isn't bad either.
@TheWatcher802
@TheWatcher802 3 жыл бұрын
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 I think so too, but i can't be too sure. He's not cruel like his cousin but it seems like he's a plotter (even tho he's just a kid). Some people even think he is the one who killed little Walder.
@donaldjgumpofficial5754
@donaldjgumpofficial5754 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatcher802 That's true. However, I don't believe he killed Little Walder. As a smart kid who knows Frey succession, he knows that Little Walder isn't a political threat therefore it would be stupid of him to kill Little Walder. Ramsay probably killed him.
@TheWatcher802
@TheWatcher802 3 жыл бұрын
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 Why do you think ramsay killed him? To make Freys and Manderlys fight?
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 3 жыл бұрын
But why would a highborn girl become a wet nurse?
@spicyibis9087
@spicyibis9087 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly! 🤷🏻‍♀️
@crowningtesla
@crowningtesla 3 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming that she didn't get her wedding vows annulled before she ran, so it might have been as a form of cover, especially if she had just given birth to Dunk's baby.
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 3 жыл бұрын
@@crowningtesla that's a big maybe. We'll just have to wait for the next Dunk and Egg novella
@cc4670
@cc4670 3 жыл бұрын
The man she just married lost everything. She was also not a maiden anymore. During that time. It would be difficult to marry a lord after that. Also no one has liked the Freys enough to marry them. She was better off running away and starting a new life.
@crowningtesla
@crowningtesla 3 жыл бұрын
@@cc4670 Yeah, add on to that the fact that she obviously had a kid that was either the child of a traitor or the bastard of a hedge knight, and it makes sense. Because she must have been producing milk to be a wet nurse.
@pieceofgosa
@pieceofgosa 3 жыл бұрын
Like the majority of these, "was minor character X from Y house ?" theories, this is both entirely possible & likely insignificant.
@melledevries4685
@melledevries4685 3 жыл бұрын
I believe there was a planned 4th Dunk & Egg story set in Winterfell. I suspect in it we would see the same scene that Bran saw from the Weirwood. Perhaps the Frey bride does decide to go with Dunk on the rest of his adventure, who knows
@miomimomiro
@miomimomiro 3 жыл бұрын
Just had an idea. Would be poetic, kind of in line with the TV-series (at least some certain scenes), the books and the whole story would "make sense, but in a different way". I think a lot of people may have thought this too already, but what if Bran really will sit at the Weirwood tree at Winterfell when the Winter falls to Winterfell. Bran will die, but when he dies he will hop on to the Weirwood network and "kick" all the other entities that may roam in the Weirwood network. And during Dream of Spring, everyone by then will know that Bran is living inside the earth. He is the Seven Kingdoms, everything before and after Seven Kingdoms -> so he becomes "the king", but not a king you'd expect to sit on a throne as a target, but almost as an omnipotent being inside the weirwood network and with his powers he will push The Winter way back North and make the earth flourish again with grass. So basically Bran becomes summer. That's why he has a direwolf called Summer. As GRRM said "It starts with the children and ends with the children". 1. Sansa becomes her direwolf - Lady. The Lady of Winterfell. 2. Bran becomes his direwolf - Summer. By bringing the Summer and letting Winter pass. 3. Jon becomes (or became) his direwolf Ghost - I guess by becoming "a living ghost", like Benjen. And he'll roam the North like Benjen, guarding the realms of men, looking like him. 4. Arya is a bit trickier, but hear me out. Nymeria was named after the warrior-queen who led the refugees of Rhoynar to Dorne. Maybe Arya becomes Nymeria and because of the devastation that might occur in the next book to Dorne, she will lead the refugees of Dorne to somewhere else, maybe West of Westeros as mentioned, maybe somewhere else. 5. Rickon is basically the definition of a shaggy dog story. In its original sense, a shaggy dog story or "yarn" is an extremely long-winded anecdote characterized by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and TERMINATED BY AN ANTICLIMAX (Source: Wikipedia). Rickon's role in the story is basically being in the shadow of the "main events", but he is there, experiencing everything too. And at least the Rickon in the show gets terminated by an anticlimax - an arrow to the back. He was nothing but a bait (in the show, prolly in the books too). 6. Robb is dead and everybody thinks Grey Wind is too in the books at some point because the small folk spread the rumors of Grey Wind's head sown onto Robb's head. And there's a lot of "hearing a wolf in the wind" during that. "There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. (AFFC Alayne II)" Robb's last words "Grey Wind", echoes Jon's last words "Ghost". So it would give a huge clue that the dead Starks are within their direwolves and the living ones are so bound to their own pup's that they are "slowly turning into them" or maybe the pups were always like each individual Stark was and will be. Where I'm getting is that when GRRM got the idea for the first scene and it was vivid as it was, maybe he had the idea of having a family, who will find direwolf pups and the direwolves are the KEY of what is to become of the children or what will happen to them. There might be a lot of stuff I'm missing out on and there might be a lot of contradicting stuff in the books, but when I wrote this it felt really natural and made sense so - just my two cents. At least if this was the whole case the story would make sense. Not too magical, not too far-out, not too sci-fi - just really well written story of people and their best friends in the world. Dogs. Did you know GRRM had a lot of pet turtles that died in his hands? Before ASOIAF he wrote "Turtle Castle" as one of his first novels. He was so sad by the deaths of the turtles that he started to create stories for them, they fought and lived in castles and basically lived in a version of the Seven Kingdoms inside George's head. Just to make him feel a bit better and give a meaning and a backstory even to the smallest of creatures - in his case - pet turtles. Maybe he was still thinking about the turtles, got an idea of direwolves being the animals, since GoT with Turtles would be kind of weird. If you read this far, I thank you. If you think this sucks, have a nice day! If you think this made sense, oh boy, get me those last two books fast. Maybe the bittersweet ending would be that (almost) all of the Starks die, but they'd all say their pups name as their last word and doing so, they'd get another chance at life, totally different of course, as direwolves, as real Starks, as the real wolves of North they were always destined to be. That way we would get a pretty bittersweet ending if they all die, but at the same time, have another chance in life. As "real direwolves" of the North the Starks were seen by so many and then some. 'When a dog goes bad, the fault lies with his master.' - GRRM (some self-reflection there, I think.. ;)).
@damienhermann8681
@damienhermann8681 3 жыл бұрын
Why does this only have 12 likes? God damn THIS is a theory
@firstbones
@firstbones 3 жыл бұрын
that was a nice read :)
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with some parts of this, others I'm not sure or I think them unlikely. But it is an interesting theory!
@miomimomiro
@miomimomiro 3 жыл бұрын
Sipu97 thanks! It’s rare to see a good comment with insight, but without profanities or insults. Kudos to you! And we can agree to disagree :) Thanks for reading!
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 3 жыл бұрын
miomiro Your reply made me smile, because it feels so funny that it truly is quite seldom to find comments that have disagreeing properties and are not impolite :D Kind of sad, too. Can't wait for the next book to see if your theory gets confirmed or more proof!
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 Жыл бұрын
"Dunk the lunk, thick as a castle wall.." But Dunk was also the truest, and most noble knight in Westerosi history. He was never the greatest at the joust, and mediocre at best with a sword, but his valor and virtue, and loyalty to those whom he loved was unmatched. Ser Ducan The Tall was without a doubt the most noble and greatest Knight to ever live. He would have been incredibly proud of Brienne Of Tarth .
@eyewitness8145
@eyewitness8145 3 жыл бұрын
This is beyond imagination, way deeper into someone's fantasy world.
@alialmuhanna4938
@alialmuhanna4938 3 жыл бұрын
1:30 Thinking of reading Dunk’s final chapter at Summerhall … it makes me so emotional. We love you, Dunk the lunk, thick as a castle wall. 😢
@spicyibis9087
@spicyibis9087 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. I guess my thought is why would a Frey from (arguably) one of the great noble houses , be a wet nurse? That is something for the small folk. Idk, I like this theory, but I just don’t think the Starks would allow a noble lady to be treated in this manner, no matter how hard-pressed she may be.
@piperar2014
@piperar2014 3 жыл бұрын
Agree. I dont think a woman of high birth would be a wet nurse and servant. She might be the bastard daughter of a minor Frey but for all intents and purposes, she's smallfolk.
@theultumateprezes6379
@theultumateprezes6379 3 жыл бұрын
I mentioned that Dornish girl Dunk met in Ashford in my own comment. She'd be pretty good at telling stories, as she was a mummer.
@princekrazie
@princekrazie 2 жыл бұрын
Shew as disgraced after Ambrose Blackwell was disgraced.
@shawnedwards7291
@shawnedwards7291 3 жыл бұрын
U know it's funny how GRRM just leaves these little breadcrumbs for someone to take the time to work out what he's left for us. Good job btw, I did all the math involved and it actually works. The one surprise to me was that Maester Aemon was like 11 or 12 when dunk n egg visited him at the citadel. In my mind I always thought like 16 or 17
@PhilHibbs
@PhilHibbs 3 жыл бұрын
I thought she was Rohanne Webber, but this is interesting too.
@yatisnow5683
@yatisnow5683 3 жыл бұрын
Yessssssss! Thank you! I thought it was painfully obvious! She goes missing after her marriage to a Lannister. She knew dunk was going to winterfell! So she followed him!!!
@siomhe8539
@siomhe8539 3 жыл бұрын
But, I just noticed something...the girl was slender with long brown hair. Rohanne had red hair...although I guess it could be a nod to Sansa currently being a brunette to disguise her identity.
@Wyliecoy0te
@Wyliecoy0te 3 жыл бұрын
This is unlikely. Old Nan came to Winterfell between 197-226 AC (with her own children). Rohanne Webber disappeared in 230, soon after the birth of her last Lannister child. She can’t be in two places at the same time. Can she?
@FreshCoolBeer
@FreshCoolBeer 3 жыл бұрын
Man, to listen and watch your videos while takin' a swift morning shit is the most gratifying thing ever, it makes the whole experience more enjoyable. Absolutely recommend.
@jarnobrofelt1891
@jarnobrofelt1891 3 жыл бұрын
Im so happy your back whit asoiaf theories! This one was really good, i drink my morning coffee and smoke 1 cicaret (bad habit, but its last one i got). This really make my day start perfect! Greetings from finland 🇫🇮
@JoniukasVader
@JoniukasVader 3 жыл бұрын
Bridge the gap!
@tsquaredtest1
@tsquaredtest1 3 жыл бұрын
damn the chronological comprehension and decryption is amazing, supported by superb visuals! Not surprising though ofc
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
i actually skimped on the visuals. normally, i take like 30-40 hours to make my 5 minute videos. but im soooo swamped with some like 40ish projects ive written scripts for, that i decided yesterday to just bust out the video as fast as i could so that i could get the audio/video all done within a single day . im glad it wasnt terrible at least, thanks for the kind words!
@mormontbears2791
@mormontbears2791 3 жыл бұрын
Love this one! Also love the idea that Old Nan is Rohanne Webber. I like the play on words like when they start calling Barristan the Bold-Barristan the Old. Rohanne-Old Nan
@dablaho
@dablaho 3 жыл бұрын
Great job as always!
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
thanks, brotha!
@jamestaylor8037
@jamestaylor8037 3 жыл бұрын
Well if anyone can birth a Hodor it's would be a frey
@shoepuffwilliam560
@shoepuffwilliam560 3 жыл бұрын
I got distracted hut finally finished your video. Love this theory and amazing video as always.
@katgor42
@katgor42 3 жыл бұрын
Just as always, great video!
@roberttreuer4183
@roberttreuer4183 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful content! Thank you, can't wait for the patchface videos
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
thank you, ser!
@kimberlygl36
@kimberlygl36 3 жыл бұрын
Another great 1 , thank yoh kev for all ur hard work especially for this crazy time we are all living through, its always a pleasure to get a notice from B4 , ty...
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
the pleasure is mine. thanks, kimberly =))
@kimberlygl36
@kimberlygl36 3 жыл бұрын
*you...damn auto correct, but i love vfc the Mystery Night....whats ur 1st thought on "Maynard Plum" , bloodraven ? Yeah or No
@kimberlygl36
@kimberlygl36 3 жыл бұрын
The ** see what i mean...n yeah Willis, Waldor r both "Frey" names too
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
thats literally my next ASOIAF video, so im going to plead the 5th. whats funny tho is that while working on something about plumm, so i reread "the mystery knight." but after that read, i was like "wait a second, frey was in on it!" i had forgotten about that. so i went back and reread it a second time with the plan of first doing a quick video about whether or not frey was partnered with bloodraven the entire time. and while rereading it the second time that day, thats when it clicked that the frey girl was old nan. i was sooooo excited. but then i did a google search, and people have already called that out, years ago LOL. lessened my excitement, cause its always best to discover something new. but i was still pretty pumped, so i wrote this script last week, and finally got around to amending it and making a video out of it but yeah, im actually no longer doing the "was frey in on it" video, which means, my next ASOIAF video is on plumm. so im pleading the fifth in terms of your question (the plumm video is actually related to my stannis series believe it or not LOL it'll make sense two ASOIAF videos from now, when i connect the plumm video to one of the 8ish stannis-related videos ive got to wrap up finally
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
whats willis? was he willis in the show?
@n00n3ynight
@n00n3ynight 3 жыл бұрын
Dunk is my fav! Great video! Such a cool theory!!
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
thanks =)) and yeah, dunk is awesome!
@shoepuffwilliam560
@shoepuffwilliam560 3 жыл бұрын
She was thought to be that lady that loved blood raven but I got that from a channel and reddit that also said Shay was a sand snake and George said she wasn't. But she still js to me!!! I'm about to start your video and im sure it's good will comment when I finish it.
@sophiawilson8696
@sophiawilson8696 3 жыл бұрын
Shiera Seastar.
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
xoxox Shiera xoxox
@elishaso
@elishaso 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought his name was Walder until I watched the show and questioned my sanity because his named was changed to Wylis. Thanks for making this video and confirming that I don't have childhood alzheimer's.
@dennissorensen167
@dennissorensen167 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan is an awesome character.
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
no doubt!
@thebovineavenger
@thebovineavenger 3 жыл бұрын
You win. Well I mean I figured this before this video. But yours is so good. You win.
@shanejohnson6855
@shanejohnson6855 3 жыл бұрын
love your videos kev. love you.
@lindajude6505
@lindajude6505 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kev, great vid! Mayhaps you are on to something here good ser 🙂. Side note... every time I see anything about old nan I get “what did the fox say” stuck in my head for days, for which I blame you 😛
@kirabowie
@kirabowie 3 жыл бұрын
I like this theory! I hope when The Winds of WINTER comes out (hopefully soon!!) we'll find out more about Old Nan. And if not there, then hopefully in the next Dunk & Egg story! :D
@davidmeladze8993
@davidmeladze8993 3 жыл бұрын
Man you are one of the reasons that i still remember game of thrones i love your videos. And i wish they make a prequel
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
stinks that they cancelled production of "blood moon," but i think the "fire and blood" sequel is still being worked on. at least i hope so. either way, within the next couple years, we'll get something. and we'll probably be getting "a song of ice and fire" type TV/movies/anime/etc for decades, or at least that what i tell myself lol. but its probably true, so long as their making money. thanks for the kind words btw, ser!
@davidmeladze8993
@davidmeladze8993 3 жыл бұрын
bridge4 I agree with you there game of thrones almost has the same impact on people as lord of the rings. Well I just hope they give us something in live action. And keep up the good work mate you are a great KZfaqr!
@realhillkell
@realhillkell 11 ай бұрын
Well do I have some good news for you 😂
@crippletime
@crippletime 3 жыл бұрын
Winter came for House Frey
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!! We're finishing The Sworn Sword next week. Then The Mystery Knight. Oooo, Butterwell wife!! Would you mind if I mention your theory? Always give cred. I'm having a blast researching all the folks in AKOTSK, especially the Targaryens🐲💙💙✌
@nickim6571
@nickim6571 3 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine a Lord's wife becoming a wet nurse.
@florencekellogg659
@florencekellogg659 3 жыл бұрын
You really think that everyone gets what they want in game of thrones....? Do you know how many people change titles and status all the time whether by their choice or not, whether they like it or not. There's probably been little lady riches that have been snuffed down to a poor peasant whore. This is game of thrones...not only that, maybe she was sick of being a lady and wanted to care for children and picked House Stark...maybe because the Stark house was good with the Freys during that era or she just wanted a nice family with nice kids...and the Starks are USUALLY shown as decent nice people...not always...but usually. Maybe he'll give us more into the theory as this seemed a bit short and not as in-depth as usual this go around...so maybe we'll get more videos explaining why and how and what and so on.
@kimberlygl36
@kimberlygl36 3 жыл бұрын
Well if said lords wife is like Gatehouse Amy i could see said wife being packed off to become a Wet nurse
@florencekellogg659
@florencekellogg659 3 жыл бұрын
@@kimberlygl36 Agreed...
@zelrael4728
@zelrael4728 3 жыл бұрын
Not a virgin, married to a traitor, has a baby of a traitor or a hedge knight, also a Frey...
@florencekellogg659
@florencekellogg659 3 жыл бұрын
@@zelrael4728 etc etc etc...so much amongst other things.
@-_-5470
@-_-5470 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video! I think I somewhere saw a another theory about her (and thus Hodor) having a connection to the Blackfyres, but sadly I don't remember the details
@mrsduncanthetall
@mrsduncanthetall 3 жыл бұрын
Be still my heart !!! My heart beats faster to the name of my sweet giant bae 🌳🌠❤😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
@stevenrider7194
@stevenrider7194 3 жыл бұрын
I like the Lady Rohanne Webber theory, that old nan is lady webber.. this seems more concrete though..
@ElissaStark514
@ElissaStark514 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS! I’m obsessed with Dunk and Egg 🏀 🥚 🏰⚔️🛡
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 3 жыл бұрын
I love this theory!! Much more than one that it isn't Nan with Duncan. She came to be a wet nurse. I can't remember for who. On tip of tongue!! Have great night Kev
@tomharrington1453
@tomharrington1453 3 жыл бұрын
I have always believed that the biggest plot hole in the story is that Old Nan didn't figure out that Jon Snow was Lyanna's baby. Ned Stark goes off to fight a war to rescue his sister who was allegedly "kidnapped and raped". Ned comes home with a dead sister and a live baby. Ned tells everyone that his sister died in childbirth and the baby is his (Ned's) bastard. So there is Ned with a dead mother but not her baby (living or dead). Also, Ned is holding a live baby with no mother and wont answer questions about the mother. And no one questions this? My wife and sisters would have worked out the math on that in about 2 1/2 seconds. Old Nan would have figured it out. Katelyen Stark would have figured it out. Sansa and Arya would have figured it out as soon as Sansa hit about 10 years old. Women figure things out. Especially when it comes to relationships and children.
@piperar2014
@piperar2014 3 жыл бұрын
How did a Frey become a wet nurse and servant? Why didn't the Freys take her back after her rebel husband was defeated? If she was or wasn't born a Frey, she's a servant now.
@user-gw5df2br5k
@user-gw5df2br5k 3 жыл бұрын
Because she was still married to her traitor husband and could've just ran off with Duncan, if that's the case she would have wanted to keep alive profile
@piperar2014
@piperar2014 3 жыл бұрын
You're right about that, I had a brain fart and thought her husband was dead. But if a Frey wants to go on the lam, Winterfell sounds like a bad hideout. Starks and Freys are neighbors. Distant to be sure, but Frey lands border the Neck I believe, and the Freys are the closest house to Winterfell not sworn to the Starks. The odds of someone coming to Winterfell that knows her, or thinks she looks like a Frey, seem likely.
@OctoberDragonfly
@OctoberDragonfly 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is spot on!
@skipper4126
@skipper4126 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan was a wicked old witch who lived in the tower of Not Joy in the castle of Winterhell!
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
@the98themperoroftheholybri33 2 жыл бұрын
The theory that Duncan and Old nan met or had a child doesn't add up, old nan would've been around 14 at the time and wouldn't have worked at winterfell at the time
@atulbalaji1321
@atulbalaji1321 3 жыл бұрын
This is reallllllly cool!
@mrsduncanthetall
@mrsduncanthetall 3 жыл бұрын
"Hoping on the good foot and doing the bad thing"
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
i stole that from one of the austin powers
@mrsduncanthetall
@mrsduncanthetall 3 жыл бұрын
@@bridge4 😂😂 it was so funny i missed that on the first watch. Its amazing how you can hear people smile when they talk.job well done😀
@jamestaylor8037
@jamestaylor8037 3 жыл бұрын
Stories are just forgotten memories :0(
@edpistemic
@edpistemic 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sold. Is there any record of Old Nan after Ned rode south? Did she die during Theon's takeover or the Boltons'?
@erlinga..thommesen8943
@erlinga..thommesen8943 3 жыл бұрын
Was prepared to make a large fucking tinfoil hat, decided to make it a little one, because its not too impossible
@wishingfortwins
@wishingfortwins 3 жыл бұрын
Fun stuff!
@fuzi5303
@fuzi5303 Жыл бұрын
Also if I remember right both her and walder described as weasel looking in some way and sunken in their face too now that could be an explanation for just being like a hundred but I don’t think he refers to maester aemon as weasel like at all and I don’t remember about the three eyed crow
@philh2453
@philh2453 3 жыл бұрын
IMO Old Nan is Rohanne Webber, timeline works for it
@cassandrawhite1594
@cassandrawhite1594 3 жыл бұрын
She (Rohanne) married a Lanaster, correct?
@thunderclap7154
@thunderclap7154 3 жыл бұрын
Cassandra White Her 4th marriage, I believe was Gerrion Lannister the Grey Lion
@philh2453
@philh2453 3 жыл бұрын
@@thunderclap7154 Gerold Lannister aka Gerold the Golden
@philh2453
@philh2453 3 жыл бұрын
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Rohanne_Webber
@chrissyofoldstones3210
@chrissyofoldstones3210 3 жыл бұрын
I’m with ya Phil 💚
@Anker
@Anker 3 жыл бұрын
Uhm. Old Nan was/is a wildling. That's why she knows SO much and SO many tales from beyond the Wall.
@dolphineachonga555
@dolphineachonga555 Жыл бұрын
Noooooo. Not that cursed house. I had hoped she was a Mormont.
@edgardominguez391
@edgardominguez391 3 жыл бұрын
I've thought about it, very interesting. I wonder why haven't more Stark's married Frey's. Atleast I haven't heard of it.
@nickbenton3545
@nickbenton3545 3 жыл бұрын
Starks didn’t really marry out of the north very often. Ned marrying Catelyn is one of the first times (maybe the first time) a Stark married someone from another Great House outside of the north.
@aleksamomcilovic220
@aleksamomcilovic220 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickbenton3545 Cregan Stark married a blackwood when he was in kings landing during aegon III rule.
@aleksamomcilovic220
@aleksamomcilovic220 3 жыл бұрын
@Blake Hunt Yes but they own huge holdings in the rivelands and theyre a very rich house of the south so generaly they are southern.
@mhammedakrot3600
@mhammedakrot3600 3 жыл бұрын
I love your video
@reaver1414
@reaver1414 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that old nan will be in the upcoming dunk and egg novella but that we haven't met her yet. I don't believe old nan or any other wet nurses are highborn girls, I believe they are usually lowborn women in service to highborn families. She probably came from the twins and might be the lowborn mother of a noble bastard but I doubt she was a frey
@jamestaylor8037
@jamestaylor8037 3 жыл бұрын
She was well buttered and flour Ed
@paulkuch420
@paulkuch420 3 жыл бұрын
Ser Duncan "allegedly" sacrificed his life. He WAS a hero good sir. Another Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Hahaha! That's rich
@brianhourigan
@brianhourigan 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan is the prodigy of a wight that used to be a frey/giant hybrid who had sex with a weirwood that used to be in a relationship with the three eyed raven. This Tree might also have been Ashara Dayne before she was crudely lost in the weirwood network after being kidnapped by the three eyed raven
@Drew_Thompson
@Drew_Thompson 3 жыл бұрын
sir duncan the tall, spear breaker.
@whatsit101
@whatsit101 3 жыл бұрын
you are awesome
@husamuddinalramaidh8040
@husamuddinalramaidh8040 3 жыл бұрын
Where are the illustrations from?
@terellchapman8737
@terellchapman8737 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t care how many kids they had, I would of never guessed that I would of liked a Targ/Frey child let alone respected them.
@florencekellogg659
@florencekellogg659 3 жыл бұрын
Could you help look more into a theory of mine? It's a show only theory and the theory I would like looked into is Bran the Broken as king. I know that it only happened due to D&D's bad writing, but what if in the actual show world/lore...it was something else. What if Bran was playing the best game that could be played, the waiting game. Bran talked about not being king, a Stark, and even a person once this whole three eyed raven took hold (which Jon complained a lot about as well, so it could just be a curse of if I don't want it then I'll get it...as the world do) yet he becomes king at the end of the show...what if Bran agreed/lied about him becoming king...as a place holder for someone more qualified who actually wanted it or at least would fit better than the people that were there at the time. What if when they found the person who is to be king and then Bran laughs before throwing up his middle fingers while becoming one with the trees like one or possibly a few of the other three eyed ravens did (there may be more than what we know of)? So, a theory about Bran being a placeholder king till someone else and who that someone else would be? There's no way it hell that the universe would leave someone so knowing and powerful to have positions like that as it throws of history and balance...and would make things too easy which I feel doesn't fit with the world of game of thrones. I'll possibly be asking for other theories as I think of them and as time goes on, but I'd really like to see that as a theory that Bran is playing them by pretending to be king and just buying time for the right one... whoever that may be...
@Ladybug-no9sc
@Ladybug-no9sc 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good, But I still have questions. Do true born members of the Westerosi society generally become low level servants of other major households? Yeah her Husband was shamed and demoted but as we seen in GOT that doesn't mean your own family wouldn't support you. Family ties are a big deal in this world. Everything you said does fit nicely but without a full understanding of the society it feels a lot like trying to push a Sqare object into a round slot.
@AggelosKyriou
@AggelosKyriou 3 жыл бұрын
The wife of an impoverished traitor who possibly run away with a hedge knight (sir Dunk) after having his bastard (or the traitor's babe) has a well-deserved motive to change her identity and avoid all the shit which happened in her wake.
@Ladybug-no9sc
@Ladybug-no9sc 3 жыл бұрын
@@AggelosKyriou Yeah but none of the things HE did would effect her. Remember Jorah went into the Slave trade to provide his wife with nice luxuries, When he got busted for it she left and Remarried......
@starwarfan8342
@starwarfan8342 3 жыл бұрын
One of the sons of Dalton Greyjoy was castrated and turned into a fool for the Lannister court.
@Hahaa99
@Hahaa99 3 жыл бұрын
There s also a theory that Old Nan is actually Rohanne Weber. She married Gerold Lannister and after having her last son with him she disappeared mysteriously around 230 AC. The only problem i guess is this does not lineup with the birth of Brandon 226 AC lastest
@kamalrifka6779
@kamalrifka6779 3 жыл бұрын
So you think that a Frey LADY, became a SERVANT and WET NURSE for the Starks?
@justaman9564
@justaman9564 3 жыл бұрын
If it’s an old age race I’d say Melisandre by half a racecourse! Another great vid Kev!
@dartagnanjames8069
@dartagnanjames8069 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Stoneheart is coming for Nan.
@talebtb2461
@talebtb2461 3 жыл бұрын
realy interesting theory
@christos49
@christos49 3 жыл бұрын
Hold the -door- bridge?
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
lol my head read that as "hold the deer" at first, due to the "strikethough." apparently im still half alseep. happy friday, ser!
@yatisnow5683
@yatisnow5683 3 жыл бұрын
No no no! NaN is Rohanne webber!!! She was in the dunk and egg books. The 2nd one can’t remember the name of it. She was in love with him. She said she wanted to marry him more then once! She knew he was going to winterfell. After her marriage to some Lannister she goes missing.
@yatisnow5683
@yatisnow5683 3 жыл бұрын
The Frey’s suck! Old nan is dope!
@alex-jq4gu
@alex-jq4gu 3 жыл бұрын
Well damn..😀
@willymo1729
@willymo1729 3 жыл бұрын
Rohanne Weber
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
hey willy, im not following. what's up with Rohanne?
@Jockeylotforfun
@Jockeylotforfun 3 жыл бұрын
Rohan Weber was a very spirited 15y/0 girl with a long red braid that Sir Duncan found irresistible.
@philh2453
@philh2453 3 жыл бұрын
also my opinion that Old Nan is Rohanne Webber timeline works for it and the various clues
@philh2453
@philh2453 3 жыл бұрын
Rohanne .. Anne .. Old Anne .. Old Nan
@willymo1729
@willymo1729 3 жыл бұрын
Always knitting with her needles in GOT. She married a Lannister, popped out a few Lion cubs and disappeared. Well it’s pretty easy to hide up north. She left a lion cub at the breast which is why she was a wet nurse or did she have one of Dunks kids.
@tortelli2249
@tortelli2249 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Hodoor was Willis..
@kyanchambers260
@kyanchambers260 3 жыл бұрын
He is
@cassandrawhite1594
@cassandrawhite1594 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, well in the show anyways.
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
i had forgotten about that. i guess the show changed his named to Wylis. he's Walder in the books though: (if you read the section below, you may notice there's a subtle nod to Jon Snow not knowing anything, namely, his name lol Hodor lifted Bran as easy as if he were a bale of hay, and cradled him against his massive chest. He always smelled faintly of horses, but it was not a bad smell. His arms were thick with muscle and matted with brown hair. “Hodor,” he said again. Theon Greyjoy had once commented that Hodor did not know much, but no one could doubt that he knew his name. Old Nan had cackled like a hen when Bran told her that, and confessed that Hodor’s real name was Walder. No one knew where “Hodor” had come from, she said, but when he started saying it, they started calling him by it. It was the only word he had. (AGOT, Bran IV)
@kyanchambers260
@kyanchambers260 3 жыл бұрын
@@bridge4 I see why the show changed it. Avoids confusion with the freys. In the books there are already a thousand walders so, if you're correct, it's a really strong sign hodors a frey. Keep up the good work!
@tortelli2249
@tortelli2249 3 жыл бұрын
@@bridge4 i Don't remember that at all. But i haven't read that book in at least 5 years. Need to do a re-read I guess. In fact i don't think i read it since the show started. Figured i could watch it in 10 hours or read it in 80 hours.
@franklinkz2451
@franklinkz2451 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kev!!!
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
duuuude my man!!! waddup, brotha!
@laura7anne
@laura7anne 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan was Rose of Red Lake.
@JungleLeeLewis
@JungleLeeLewis 3 жыл бұрын
Also think about Bran(The Brokens) companions.. IF he were to be KING they're the DEFACTO Kingsgaurd.. BUT a Broken Kingsgaurd For a Broken King.. Jojen is Already Frail, and once his Mission "He Knew MUST Be Completed" Began He got weaker and Weaker. HE KNEW HIS DEATH WAS NIGH! Mira, Is OBVIOSLY a Young Lady, BUT is the MOST "Bold"(Say like a Barristan Selmy TYPE) of his Protectorate.. Summer IS ONE AS WELL(I'd connect him to Arthur Dayne. Being Sword of the Morning, Dawn AND the wolf's name IS SUMMER.) A time when these things are STRONG.. Bring it BACK to House Strong, who I believe is a First Man House of Starks[Stark is Strong in German! GRRM Is ALL ABOUT NAMES!] who remained in the Riverlands while the Rest of the "Strong House" of these Early Kings moved Ever North.. Remember ANYONE Before the ANDALS are "First Men", THIS CAN Contain Many Different Peoples. The Iron Born Claim to Be First Men, Just not the Westerosi First Men.. IF ANYHING they seem like Andalos who left the Axe LONG before the Forced Migration. Also There HAD TO BE EARLY Dragon Lords from Asshai IN WESTEROS around the Great Empire of the DAWN! Base of Hightower at Battle Isle. Fused Stone. AND the Oily Stones Of Moat Cailin , Seastone Chair, Toad Isle.. Asshai ITSELF.. Then the 5 Forts WHICH DWARF ANYTHING in Westeros. Fused Stone, Dragon Lords! Pre Valyrian. I totally think Hodor is a Descendent of House Strong.. Ser Lucamore The LUSTY, had MANY BASTARDS.. The Wedded Children were given a GOOD Life with Landed Lords.. THUS BRIENNE! Could this ALSO Have SOME Connection to the Cleganes AS WELL? I Think Casterly Rock WAS one of the places the Kids were sent.. I can see the Lannisters OR Rains thinking it beneath them and giving these "Giant" Children to a Vassal. Say Your Kennel Master.. Big guys Should be able to Control DOGS! Then they became "SER Tywins BEST BEASTS!" Dunk is ALWAYS SAYING "MAYHAPS if he got to the Wall Would he see a Giant MAN LIKE HIMSELF??" WELL, YES Actually. He Possibly could have Come Across Lucamore. Maybe NOT a Father But Grand father, Thinking of Dates. BUT we have No Death date of Ser Lucamore, so who Knows. Also what if the Tall Knight WASN'T DUNK... BUT Ser Lucamore Strong On his way to serve at the wall.(Although they said he was Gelded.. SOOO that limits possibilities. just throwing out some other ideas.) However I do think Ser Duncan the Tall Made his way North as he has stated IN EVERY NOVELLA, And one WOULD stop off at Winterfell while in route to the Wall. Hodor Could Easily be Ser Dunks Offspring.. My question is if Old Nan is the Grand mother WHO was his FATHER? Wouldn't the Starks Have SOME Notation of a Huge Man in their Line up? It Also makes me think of the Umbers.. Who claim Giant's Blood.. What we've seen of Giants. They CANNOT mate with a Human. Maybe Lucamore Wasn't GELDED after all and continued producing offspring on his way to the Wall. Duncan is His illegitimate Kings Landing(Whores Son) However another Knight From Pennytree(There's MORE TO THIS! No One is Knowledgeable of PENNYTREE! All Lords and Ser's Just say "I've Heard of it"or Something. NEVER.. Ok yes I'm from Pennytree.. And IS It NOT a STORY of a tree covered with Copper Pennys? or am I mis remembering.. I need to reread the Dunk and Eggs.. I think Pennytree may be a Signal to other Knights To PROTECT this "STRONG" Bloodline. Don't Allow the Targs to extinguish this 'Strong/Stark' House that's NOT protected by the North, PLUS Lucamore Ends Up In the NORTH, Dunk has this "Calling" Inside him to GO NORTH.. Is this Just the Stark Blood saying "Come to the rest of your Kin.. We're Here WAITING!" Also BACK to the Andals Mislabeling ALL MEN FIRST MEN.. How come the Daynes A FIRST MAN HOUSE! Have Targ Features? Because they're Descended FROM Pre Valyrian Dragon Lords. Or the Empire of the Dawn.. Remember the Celtigars AND Valaeryons(Spelling?) were ALSO Dragon Lord Houses, BUT Had NO DRAGONS.. They were SHIP Fairing People! Where IS Starfall? ON A FRIGGIN ISLAND.. A Renowned Sea fairing House could have FOUND the Fallen Stone(That made DAWN) the FASTEST By BOAT! Also is this the SAME Meteor that the Bloodstone Emperor Warshipped. Perhaps A Fragmented Piece of the SAME Stone that Caused the LONG NIGHT... ACTUALLY ENDED IT TOO! Sounds Right up GRRM's Style of Writing.. THE GREY ASPECT!! Things are GOOD AND BAD.. Pleasure AND Pain.. An END is A NEW Beginning! THE ENTIRE ASPECTS OF SEASONS!! DEATH AND REBIRTH ALL FROM THE SAME THING! Sorry to have Gone on So Tin foiled and excited. But I've heard MANY theories on this and I think You do a GREAT JOB! You're VERY MUCH like Myself and approach your Investigations WITH LOGIC and FACTS.. It's the ONLY way to Crack some of GRRM's Coded Clues.. He IS Sherlock Holmes Writing a Mystery for US to SOLVE! Such a GREAT MAN.. And Author.. And with as Much Lovecraftian and Other Influenced Work into His stories Especially THIS one.. DO NOT Expect it to BE A SING ALONG at the END! THERE WILL BE BLOOD! MANY of your Favorite Characters WILL DIE! IT's BEEN FORESHADOWED SINCE BOOK 1 AGOT.. Come On people.. Read some of his OTHER Books.. DUDE writes PISS YER PANTIES Horror! AND Equally as CRAZY AND INCESTUAL/ SADOSEXUAL Stories! He's NOT a Deviant.. He's a TRUTHFUL STORY TELLER.. You know the saying... "The Truth is OFTEN Stranger than Fiction".. He's Writing Reality Based FICTION! Fantasy with WAY MORE REALITY in it hen other Fantasy books.. Yes it's got Magic(But there's ALWAYS a PRICE). There's Dragons(But they ACT LIKE FU**IN DRAGONS.. No Ones PET or SLAVE) There's other elements of High Fantasy(But it's ALWAYS explained with a REAL WORLD reasoning..) Anyway I'm DONE.. Sorry for the GIANT Stream of consciousness. Hope someone finds it interesting? and please Clarify ANY MISTAKES I made.. Thanks.. Peace to Planetos!
@manolis.799
@manolis.799 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan is Quaithe
@BGaud
@BGaud 3 жыл бұрын
Old Nan is Jenny of Oldstones
@renaigh
@renaigh 3 жыл бұрын
so Duncan either had multiple lovers or Brienne is somehow connected to Old Nan
@sealy_99
@sealy_99 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so I don't buy this theory. First of all, it supposes that the woman in question seen kissing Dunk in Bran's vision was Old Nan, which although is neat, is a huge leap and probably doesn't fit the timeline. In The World of Ice and Fire we received the full Stark family tree. From it, we can confirm that the Brandon mentioned in this video was in fact the child that Old Nan came to Winterfell to wet nurse. The latest year that is possible is 226, as you say, but was most likely earlier. The Mystery Knight is set in 212AC and is the third story we have of Dunk and Egg so far. Throughout TMK, we learn that Dunk and Egg are heading North to serve Lord Beron Stark in defending the North from the Ironborn raids of Dagon Greyjoy. The next book in the series was given the working title of The She-Wolves of Winterfell, and we have been given some information by George about what it's going to be about. It is set in Winterfell, and presumably will occur in 213 or 214AC as Beron Stark is dying from wounds sustained while defending the North from the Ironborn. It does not seem to me likely that this story could occur any later than 214AC, not just because I don't think there can be that big a time gap between the 3rd and 4th novellas, but also because the events of the She-Wolves are mentioned in TMK, and it seems unreasonably that Dagon's raid would go on unresolved by Northern forces for more than two years. Beron Stark is in his thirties and has seven children with his wife Lorra Royce. There seems to be a succession crisis, played out by the widows of the last four Lord Starks and the current Lady Stark. Given Beron has seven surviving children including five sons, it is likely that the succession crisis is a regency crisis, and the five Lady Starks are fighting for control of the regency of Lord Donnor Stark. This makes some sense. Beron being is his thirties, it is unlikely that his eldest is older than the age of majority in Westeros (16) and would still need a regent. Given that Lorra Stark is a foreigner from the South it makes sense that there would be internal northern opposition to her becoming regent, and so she is fighting a political battle against her opponents which will include some of the previous Lady Starks, and perhaps one or two are supporters of Lorra, or more ambivalent about the regency itself. Robb Stark was 15 when he became Lord Stark (and later King in the North) but because he was leading an army in wartime, and close to his majority, there was no regent. As such, Donnor is probably 14 at the oldest. Willam is the second child of Beron Stark and Lorra Royce, and so he would be at least a year younger than Donnor (making him likely 13 at the oldest). Willam is the father of Old Nan's Brandon. Yes it is possible, but very unlikely that a 13 year old Willam Stark would be married to a noblewoman and have a son, especially considering his older brother, the heir, is not married, probably requires a regent, and is definitely not old enough to assume power himself. I just don't see that Brandon Stark being born in 213-214AC for Old Nan to arrive in Winterfell in time to meet Dunk and have a romance with him. So who could this girl kissing Dunk in Bran's vision be? Well, given that most of Bran's visions in that sequence have a Stark connection, why not a woman from House Stark? A brown haired girl "slender as a spear" in front of the heart tree in the Winterfell godswood screams to me Stark. Perhaps she's Arsa Stark, Beron's younger sister (he don't know her exact age but if seems to fit), and she and Dunk are the two in the vision. Now I definitely think Hodor is a descendant of Dunk's, but that doesn't mean that Old Nan has to be the one to have got with Dunk. She could have married Dunk's illegitimate son, or her son could have married Dunk's daughter/granddaughter. I highly recommend Preston Jacob's video on the She-Wolves of Winterfell as it makes these observations and predictions, and more (going into the four widows of Lord Starks). As to more reasons why I doubt Old Nan is a Frey, I can't see a highborn lady running off, no matter how impoverished or embarrassed by the stain of treason, to be a wet nurse. In such a hierarchical feudal society, I just don't see it. Additionally, there would have to be some indication of Old Nan's speech not being Northern or low born to convince me, but no one makes any note of her accent, so we can assume it is Northern, and sentence "It be dragons, boy" doesn't strike me as very highborn. Her extensive knowledge of northern mythology and folklore seem to point to her also being neither Southron or high born. Why would her great grandson Walder be named the same name as her brother who ratted her out for being with a pot boy, which led to her marrying a weak, indecisive, traitorous fifty year old who according to this theory she would run away from? Why must all four of our oldest characters from the main series have to make an appearance or be mentioned in one of the novellas? Melisandre is probably the oldest character in the series and she's not in TMK. I'm sorry if I come across as rude or too dismissive of your video, because I truly appreciate the effort you put into all your videos on theories and speculations (about ASOIAF in particular). I think this an interesting video, I just happen not to agree with your theory and welcome the opportunity to discuss why I take the opposing position. (Sorry for the long read too).
@niemandzuhause4897
@niemandzuhause4897 3 жыл бұрын
I think Bloodraven is around 125 yo but i dont know if you count him cause magic and stuff.
@everythingdivine
@everythingdivine 3 ай бұрын
She's a Beesbury
@theultumateprezes6379
@theultumateprezes6379 3 жыл бұрын
But... didn't ser Duncan have a crush on that Dornish girl he met in Ashford? She was a mummer, so she should be good at telling stories.
@laynemartin7914
@laynemartin7914 3 жыл бұрын
If old nan died when winterfell... fell to theon then when Amon is called the oldest person in westeros... it could be true then... also if he is called the oldest Man in westeros it may be true, also is the wall the north or westeros?
@sophiawilson8696
@sophiawilson8696 3 жыл бұрын
In show the actress who play old nan died between one and two so the show just killed her character off. Off screen, in the books that an other story.
@SHARKVADERS
@SHARKVADERS 3 жыл бұрын
B...
@ReeceDee
@ReeceDee 3 жыл бұрын
Bloodraven isn't three eyed Crow in the books.... He appeared to Bran as the weirwood.... It was the show that called him the three eyed raven.... They couldn't even get the fucking bird right. Lol
@Sjarambula
@Sjarambula 3 жыл бұрын
Wait but I thought Hodors name was Willis?
@r.rsmith
@r.rsmith 2 жыл бұрын
Bloodraven is Egg's uncle, not cousin
@flowerwithamachinegun2692
@flowerwithamachinegun2692 3 жыл бұрын
Hold the fucking phone Brienne is a descended of Dunk? How?
@filbertrocko
@filbertrocko 3 жыл бұрын
maybe but old nan is rohana weber who married a lannister than left her youngest jason to go to winterfell read my friend read
@fifthofascalante7311
@fifthofascalante7311 3 жыл бұрын
There are still channels doing these? Wot?! It was an interesting one, made me nostalgic. But after season 8, I can’t stomach any more of GOT.
@willmosse3684
@willmosse3684 3 жыл бұрын
The book reading community is still going strong. Forget the show
@cashusclay5466
@cashusclay5466 2 жыл бұрын
she was a servant a pesant man use ur head a rick lady from a noble family wouldnt be a start servant
@thefatdingo82
@thefatdingo82 3 жыл бұрын
You used the word ''Theory'' in you photo to promote your vid. You always use the correct word hypothesis. Naughty Kev. lol
@bridge4
@bridge4 3 жыл бұрын
LOL ive finally sold out. im going with theory from now on since i have the feeling that "hypothesis" turns people off. i TOTALLY hear ya tho. team hypothesis right here!
@thefatdingo82
@thefatdingo82 3 жыл бұрын
@@bridge4 don't give into the plebs that don't understand English. lol
@kamalrifka6779
@kamalrifka6779 3 жыл бұрын
Where the fuck is the Pink Letter video?
@sasa1982uk
@sasa1982uk 3 жыл бұрын
Still think she is Webber
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