The amount of forehead in this video is off the charts

space looks so young. just like he looked when he first entered the league

The episodes with pro players are always the best, hopefully you guys can get more pros on during the off-season.

I totally get Josh’s point of “worse players” being uncertain about OW2. It’s me. I’m “worse players”. I don’t really play any FPS outside of overwatch and even then I mostly play tank or healer. I know may aim isn’t awesome and I don’t have the time to invest to get better at it. The idea that I am now going to have to play a more FPS based game does put a bit of worry on me.

Lmao super doesn’t realize he’s a zoomer too

I'm glad Super was here, he confirmed all my concerns with OW2. Only way to have fun in OW2 is playing DPS or PvE.

I'm glad space is super aware of being pro players and keeps bringing it back to that point since higher level play is definitely a different world than lower/casual level of play.

Space brings up a great point... if Sombra's hack gets interrupted she should have to pay the full cooldown price anyway.

Space is looking handsome, no surprise there. Otherwise I wanted to raise a question - do you think the devs intentionally decreased ult charge significantly on this patch so that they could get a better look at ability play? Wordy question, but I can imagine that if the devs want to balance the heroes as quickly as possible, they might take away some (a lot) of the ultimates’ impact to get a closer look at the hero play/team play/ healing play outside of ultimate fights. If most of the game and team fights are played in the neutral (without ults) then maybe they want to iron out neutral balance before throwing ults back in. Basically I’m assuming the ult rework might have been intentionally temporary. I’m not developer though so this might make no sense.

I completely agree with Super and Space on if Overwatch would get content and a proper progression system right now it would become popular again. Streamers are what bring more casual players that go from game to game nowdays.Just look at Among us, Fortnite, Genshin etc. With no new stuff to do or work for streamers just go somewhere else where their viewers are entertained.

AKM blade will look like a speedrun in OW2

2 minutes in I can already tell this episode is gonna be a certified hood classic

im glad space brought up the f2p thing and the consistent updates other games have. also meaningful end of season rewards. i feel like that really couldve helped overwatch and maybe we wouldnt even need 5v5 atm

I wish I had a "that was easy" button of Sideshow saying, "That does seem kinda bonkers". 20:45.

Zarya cool downs should still be separate when you use separate types. Only stacking the same type should take longer to recover both. A shared universal counter just determines whether or not the other could be used when one type is used twice.

Space looks mad handsome, especially without the beard tbh

5v5 might kill the pvp for me, but here's hoping the pve is as amazing as it sounds like it's going to be.

got time to go on an episode of plat chat but no time to respond to my DM Sadge

As an avid destiny 2 player, making it free to play made the experience much better, except for giving cheaters a chance to just create new accounts .

For the bastion change, why not just give him back the headshot critical hits again in turrent form? Its 50% extra damage and rewards the players aim again.

54:32 Yeah, this is me exactly. I was tired of playing a stale game with no promise or massive improvement and frankly, a shaky future. I switched to apex cause it was free to play, a pretty good FPS, and they get new weapons and balance patches and legends every 90 days. It was such a drag to wait forever when, like super said, "all the other games are getting new content all the time."

I think no matter your view of ow2 at the moment, you gotta agree that it's a little absurd we're still at the alpha stage 3 years after reveal. At this point for a AAA studio you'd be expecting release coming up. But nope.

One thing that I think is important to keep in mind for OW2 PVP is that while it may be very deathmatchy at first, that doesn't mean it will stay that way forever. Early OW was super deathmatchy because no one knew what to do and it was more about trying to pop off than coordinate a lot of smart plays. I think we'll see the same thing in OW2. With time, people will figure out strategies, team comps, etc. and hopefully the devs will lean into that as well.

New Bastion looks like SO much fun for pve and death match but he does seem very underwhelming for 5v5. It almost like they reworked him around current overwatch instead of overwatch 2 His new kit is great and helps overcome his lack of mobility. He can snipe, lob bombs across the map without without having to look at the enemy team, get an aerial view to call down HUGE burst damage in 3 different areas, and this can all be all be done just from the spawn room. Then when the team wants to push together he can consistently roll around with them while spraying damage (albeit not as threatening as before.) instead of having to reposition and hard commit to a spot because before every moment you aren’t shooting or killing in a team fight you were most likely being the one being killed. Now in overwatch 2 everyone’s moving around really fast and throwing out crazy damage at this planet sized character who will have no time to react and just end up popping like a balloon. I genuinely think Tank Configuration would be better as his ult in this game, one less tank to absorb tank shots and everyone else just deletes on sight as Bastion charges in

In this environment we didnt even need 5v5 and hero reworks. Simply having frequent new events with constant skin updates and something like a battle pass to give us little goals to work for would blast Overwatch back onto the top tier category. It's all about staying with the times and making sure you compete with the content supplied by other games

1:16:02 watch the rein and then supers face it took me awhile to stop laughing

I seriously enjoyed this show. Thank you! Whole thing was great.

What if the new bastion turret was like d.va and orisa, where he's slow when he shoots but moves at normal speed when not shooting?

Really enjoyed this, gotta put this show in my regular rotation, I always love Sideshow on commentary Love when Space talked about certain players who are just good at OW and not certain heroes/roles being able to transition easily to OW2, other people in other games mention this a lot, Halo players can play Halo 1-5 because they understand Halo, Tekken players can play any Tekken and any character in the game, it's a great concept

The more I hear about OW2 and 5V5, the more I feel like it's the last nail in the coffin. A death sentece. It sounds like actual teamplay - the single aspect what made OW really unique - is gonna be useless and you just gotta TDM. There are better TDM games out there.

If a game isn't balanced towards the top of players, then as someone playing the game gets better as it, they have *less and less fun*. Meaning, you kill all motivation for people to actually stick with and get good at the game. You HAVE to balance for the top, just to give people something to look towards. Not to say you ignore the rest either though.

The banter in the beginning is amazing, nice

Great episode, hope you get to talk to more pro players during the off-season!

Zara fix... keep each bubble on its own cool down and add a third one on its own that is tied to both and can be used as a second charge on its own cooldown. So if you need to double bubble others you loose that second self bubble but you still have your own single. Gives you flexibility but also the ability to get more self defense or more team defense Also better with the beard

The thing super said at 54:00 is exactly why I stopped playing Overwatch. It feels like the devs gave up on making content for the game, which in turn made me give up on it. Why should I continue playing a game that gets no content updates or incentives to play when there are so many other games available that are actively being updated? At this point I'm just waiting for Overwatch 2.

I really loved this episode, I hope the devs are taking notes

Best episode so far, LOVE the OW2 balance convos

It really sounds like they took Bastion who needed buffs, and gave him buffs but still nerfed him to keep overall power the same which is was already week

TRUUUUUU. Super is totally right. Overwatch is not dying because of the gameplay, its because no one wants to play a game that gets no updates, and it's 40$

Haven’t played Overwatch in years, but inject this high-level big picture analysis into my views

Whatever happens with OW2, I am excited to see Chengdu back with triple DPS in some form.

I feel like Zarqa could use another type of CD that’s not a bubble. That way you could still have 2 team bubbles with a long timer and then like a long range charte shot for her second CD

I know they talk about the esports and pro part of the game mostly. But when thinking about balance and potential, you have to acknowledge that OW is a super popular game with literally MILLIONS of casual players that for the most part just want to shoot stuff with interesting cooldowns.

Super is right that Bastion grenade is so good, and makes sense for him

Daaaamn, Space is looking handsome

So maybe they answer this cause I'm 40 min in but they're making these new maps pretty open to allow for more flanks and they'll start to tune characters to match that and to match having 1 tank. However, how does this hold for the current maps where they've practically been built for two tanks in mind or built in having 1 or two choke points?

how long is one akm blade now that they changed the ult charge

Biggest problem of both OW2 and OW itself seems to just be highly overtuned numbers of damage and healing (though healing not so much in OW2). It shouldn't be possible to pocket someone through extreme amounts of damage, but it also shouldn't be that you blow up as a tank in less than a second because you're not getting pocketed. 5v5 or 6v6 doesn't matter that much imo, numbers just need to be significantly tuned down.

There you go. 2 Pro tank mains saying it doesn't feel good to play Tank without your other tank to synergize with. And myself as a tank player agrees so strongly that I am going to not play OW2 if it's 5v5 without the Main/off Tank synergies which for tank mains that like to play with other tank mains and build a synergy now it's gone. They should have just buffed the tanks slightly to make them slightly more overpowered against damage/support heros to make tanks a little funner to play and kept it a 6v6. If change the line up at all why not make it a 7v7 (2 Slightly OP Tanks, 3 Damage, 2 supports) although I'm not sure it would work with a lot of the maps being planned as a 6v6 myself personally would still be very interested to try it with an extra damage slot on each team sense damage is the most popular role people Q as it would help Q times very much. Maybe break the Tank lineup into a "Main Tank" Role & an "Off Tank Role" with some tweaking on some heros to help them fill either role to a decent standard.

I find it so cute, how you guys have everyone a coffee cup even tho it's online 😇

One thing that they didn't really mention in the video is what teams are going to do with all their offtank players? Do players like Space just get dropped because there are only main tanks now or do they keep them conditionally for hero pool reasons and meta changes?

Space is looking pretty good without the beard. Think he should keep it that way.

Space laughing at Reinforce saying "Theyre off the goop" is so funny to me

This episode was pure fire

Good insight, I watched till the end. I'm glad we all realised sombra is busted having not even played ow2. Hopefully they balance her before release. OW2 hype is dying, i love OW but they need to reveal heroes and get this game launched maybe in May.

The problem with tank is if you can't play all of them well. If you are the only tank and can't swap to the one needed...big problem

Space is looking handsome without the beard.

Space is looking mighty fine.

I was thinking brigs bash ability should cripple someone making them unable to use any movement ability such as tracer blink, mccree's roll, baps jump, d.v.a. boosters anything that can be used for the character to escape. It would leave the bash with at least some use offensively and it does not leave a character completely vulnerable to dmg only to more danger from the brig and the team. It would make you respect brig a bit more. Sombra being considered broken to me is no surprise all I thought of was Skye from paladins when you don't buy illuminate she feels impossible to beat since you can never see her coming. The emp doing dmg could fine once we see what other characters are able to do. We've yet to see what the new cast can do so maybe they're gonna try to use characters like Sombra as an example of what other characters in the game should be. I like reworks like this, because it changes a character but they feel the same to play kinda like playing smash 4 Mario and then playing smash ultimate Mario, the new ones are better but feel the same as the last one to an extent. They probably showed all this to collect data and feedback on it since it's their first time reworking something to this extent. Reworks don't make everyone happy, because everyone has their own way to play a character. There may be some new forms of crowd control that could we could come up with and try out in experimental and such. The focus has always seemed to be damaged and healing when there may.

Can the bastion ult be abused to spot people on the map?

Do you think they may try to balance the game more with the new characters by designing them as counters ?

Hog being able to hook more is a really bad idea

Space is looking handsome, season 1 valiant space

I remember the Destiny 2 Beta had a craaaaazy long super charge.

I like the left click/right click, i would like the right click to just launch all 3 quickly in a single location

Gonna need to start grinding headshots only on Lucio to build beat 😂😂

Do you think Jeff leaving had to do with creative difference over the direction of OW?

Quality content as always

"Sideshow is the top 1% in something, just not sure what that is" hahaha best burn of platchat history

Hanzo getting the scatter arrow back?

Space looking hella handsome today

I think the lower ranks (other than maybe competitive) can be appeased by giving us a 6v6 arcade mode. It won't be what they're balancing, but some people will probably still prefer it. They did this with Quickplay Classic in arcade and it's popular enough that it's always available.

SPACE IS HANDSOME GO GLADS

At least the possible issues with heroes like Sombra is any balance changes that need to be made are just tweaking some values and won't need to be massive overhaul. After release, the game will be chaotic but if all they need to do is adjust a single value for a cooldown or damage it'll make balancing a lot faster. I wonder if Blizzard will have the latest build of 6v6 Overwatch after OW2 is released, and in case of emergency they can implement that 6v6 build if 5v5 doesn't work out well. Just revert it back to what it was but it'll have all the new heroes and maps and they'd just have to balance the new heroes for 6v6. Probably easily doable.

I hope tanks really will just feel like fat dps. I figure D.Va is the model that they want to follow where you have lots of dps potential but can still help teammates get kills.

Another incredible video

SPACE is looking handsome!

i just hope there isn't gonna be more restrictions on what i should and shouldn't play and that there will be more fun stuff for tanks and supports to use in general, like winstons snipe shot.

moving to only one sentient player per team is a negative change, no question

It’s upsetting that the more I hear about overwatch two the less excited about it as a tank player it’s upsetting that less and less of the game revolves around team play however the characters get rework I would still work with the game but I feel like without 6v6 the game will feel empty especially without a second tank and the fun that comes with synergy

Commenting for you super space do be lookin good

indy "at our level" halpern over here

Imo tanks should be a bit faster. The crawl speed just feels terrible its like alittle bit slower than bearable tier. That said the unlimited ammo is cool love it but just a tad bit too sluggish that you might as well be static

space is looking handsome rn

lets be honest, the only ones that are mad about 5v5 are tank mains. looking at our queue times that can't be too many. looking forward to ow2

Give bastion a Helicopter transformation that gives him flight on cooldown like Echo.

1:30:48 super doing some self reflection

I LIKE THE BEARD SPACEGOD

What if they make some dps and healers have some synergy with the tank

I think the biggest problem with OW isn't the heros or the People playing. It's the typical Blizzard system that forces 50:50 and sometime completely ruined you day. When you in that Elo hole once you can't get out and need to create a new account. If they can fix that it's a good game again

Space looks better with a beard

space is looking handsome

Why are half the comments here people simping on Space? Kinda weird, bro, for real. Shows how much interest is left for OW and OW2 that the most interesting thing from an 1:38:00 video on OW2 is "Space looks good today :)". lol

Might be wrong but Space is looking extra handsome today

Space is looking handsome

The fact that Space and Super doubted so much when asked about the enjoyability of the game for non-mechanically-gifted players, is a very bad sign... I really hope the devs are able to change that before it's too late

Space is legendary

they didn't only change my boi Bastion, they even managed to make him even worse than before.

Space looking clean

Wonder if space and super are going to be on the same team in the near future