PLEASE DO NOT PUT SPOILERS IN YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE REMAINING DUNE BOOKS. Thank you :)

Dune did it first......just remember that 💯

Star wars has been real quiet since Dune part 2 dropped 😂

The final Atredies slave in the arena isn't the doctor its Landville, an Atredies general. He's the one in the first movie that says "Shields!" just before the ship opens its doors when it arrives on Arrakis and also he's the one that tells Stilgar "Hey, Stop right there!." When Stilgar is walking up to Leto to met him for the first time.

"He run funny." Never tried running on a sand dune, eh?

30:32, no the Kwitzach Haderach (KW) is not the same as the Lisan al Gaib. The KW is the secret breeding program by the Bene Gesserit to create a super being - a male Bene Gesserit. Because Bene Gesserit are only women (i.e. XX chromosomes) they can only access the genetic memories of female ancestors and prior Reverend Mothers. Paul is definitely the KW as he is the culmination of several generations of cross breeding. When he takes the Water of Life later he will be able to access male and female ancestral memories and prior Reverend Mothers. Had Paul been born a girl (i.e. Pauline Atreides), she would have been married to Feyd-Rautha. Then their son would have been the KW. However, because Paul's mother chose to have a son the Kwitzach Haderach was born a generation early. The Fremen are not aware of the KW program at all. In fact, nobody outside of the Bene Gesserit knows about it. The Lisan al Gaib is a false messianic prophecy that the Missionara Protectiva division of the Bene Gesserit implanted in the Fremen people. This false prophecy was meant as a means to control the Fremen people en masse. It is also a tool that a Bene Gesserit could use to get individual Fremen to do whatever is necessary like Jessica is doing now.

From what I remember when a laser hits a shield it may trigger a nuclear explosion.

They don't have shields because the shields attract the worms

anakin & daenerys actually based on paul’s character

No, Paul isn't Anakeen or Danny, He's a more nuanced & complex character than them and with good reasoning, unlike them xD

the doctor and the fighter were both asian. that’s why they “looked alike” 🙄

Dune books came out way before the game of thrones books and star wars movies

Denis Villeneuve is really good at visual storytelling.

The bene gesserit didn’t intend to have jessica marry feyd rautha. He was most likely a toddler back then. They just didn’t want her to have a son because of it’s potential and how it didn’t ally with their breeding program. The bene Gesserit have many prospects of people who could be the kwisatz haderach, and implanted the prophecy in many differently cultures including the freman. Lady margot saw potential in feyd to be a kwisatz haderach for them when feyd mentioned that he had a dream about her.

When they ride the sandworms, they pull up their plating, exposing the tender flesh underneath. The worms instinctively roll the open "wounds" up to the top to avoid getting sand in them. The worms travel in a relatively straight line, and stay on the surface because of the wounds. They really don't even feel the Fremen on their "back." When they want off, they just remove the hooks and the sandworm dives into the sand. The Fremen just hop off.

The water of life is basically hyper concentrated spice. Only Bene Gesserit can nullify the toxic effects. Since spice expands consciousness, this opens up ‘other memories’ for the Bene Gesserit, which essentially means they now have all the memories of all previous Reverend Mothers. It has a similar effect on Paul, by opening up and clarifying his presence, his ability to see the future. Because Jessica was pregnant, her baby (Alia) also now possesses other memories, and is essentially a fully conscious reverend mother in womb. This is what the Bene Gesserit call Abomination.

A realization that struck me like lightning is that House Stark from Game of Thrones basically had a similar story arc with House Atreides and each of the Stark children receiving a fraction of Paul's story: - taught by foreign fighting masters - received top education - recieved secret assassin training - father sent into a far away place as a political trap - exiled - joined natives and learned their ways - died - resurrected - gained power to peek through time - ascended to monarchy There's another characteristic of Paul that is similar to a Stark child that i will not say here because it's potentially a spoiler for Part Three

The maker hooks lift the scales, exposing sensitive skin underneath. The worm doesn't go under because sand would get in the now exposed sensitive areas. Raised and lowered in opposite directions, the rider can turn the worm.

The chosen one trope is a very popular one that has existed for millennia but Paul Herbert is one of the most prominent modern examples of turning it on its head. People should be more skeptical of charismatic leaders who promise to fix everything. In fact, in the books Herbert writes that Paul reflects on leaders like Hitler which makes sense given that this book was published in 1965.

Decaliter is a unit for measuring volume, equal to 10 liters.

a couple of reasons why the harkonens didn't activate their shields are one shields attract worms and make them angry and two they had lasguns on them and if you hit an active shield with a lasgun there is a chance of a nuclear explosion of a variable size

Basically all the White Saviour narratives in which the saviour actually turns out to be the villian, were inspired by Dune. Stars Wars in particular borrowed so heavily from Frank Herbert that a lot of it is almost plagiarism. Great reaction guys, hope you enjoy Part 3 when it comes out in 2027 (or thereabouts). By the way, what you noticed about Part 2 is precisely why book aficionados get really angry at people who say it's just another White Saviour story. That trope was already tired in 1965, and Frank Herbert explicitly set out to subvert it and sound a warning about trusting charismatic leaders and messianic figureheads.

Fun fact, the Asian prisoner you guys thought was the doctor from the first movie was actually the guy who told Leto(Paul’s father) in the first movie to lower the windows because the sun is getting to high and the heat would be too powerful, it’s a quick short scene in the first movie but I recognize him

Actually Anakin and Dany's arc are like his, as he was written first. But his journey is weirder and is better written.

24:37, Chani might not be 7 months long by the end of the movie. But a lot of fans do think she is pregnant. In the books the scarf she wears in her hair symbolizes a Fremen woman who has given birth to a son. The director Denis Villaneuve says that within the movie, it symbolizes Chani's love for Paul. As long as she wears it in her hair she is in love with Paul. Notice where it is by the end - it's no longer on her head. In the first Dune book by the time of the final battle with the Imperial troops, Chani had already given birth to a son by Paul.

That Atreides soldier that Feyd Rautha was fighting was not Doctor Yueh. That was Lanville. You hear Duncan yell his name in the first movie after Duncan landed his fighter on Caladan. You also see him among the Atreides soldiers when the family arrives on Arrakis.

I'm glad y'all enjoyed the movie. Thanks for the reaction. Just wanted to share ---Kwisatz Haderach is a male Bene Gesserit who can see the past and the future. It's not the same thing as the Lisan-el-Gaib, who is a Fremen prophesied Messiah. The fact that Paul became a Kwisatz Haderach, gaining power over past and future visions, allows him to manipulate the Fremen religion and hope in prophesied Messiah to put himself in a future thats beneficial to him. It's all made-up and planned, and Paul, seeing the future, allows him to ride the wave of the moment. The Bene Gesserit wanted to actually have Jessica give birth to a girl first and not a boy like Paul. That way, they marry off that girl to Feyd Rautha, who would have given them the boy that would eventually become the Kwisatz, but Jessica fell in love with Duke Leto and gave birth to a boy (Paul) instead.

Contrary to what Chani's friend said, the Water Of Life is not worm piss. It's the bile from a drowned immature sand worm, so it's worm vomit. 😆

I can see the similarities in the arc between Paul Daenerys and Anakin. They all had good intentions to begin with and then through people twisting them and pushing them made them turn into what they are. In the book, the small path that Paul saw through was what he tried in this movie. He hoped winning the battle for Arakeen and dethroning the emperor, marrying his daughter, would end it. As soon as he knew that the landsraad families that were hovering above were not going to accept his ascendancy. He knew that that path had closed. The holy war was going to happen and millions of people were going to die under the atreides banner.

gonna say that when paul looks down at the end when he says take them to paradise is sad af. Basically he knew what he actually meant was go attack them and kill thousands of people. In the books this was the Jihad he feared most.

"Lead them to Paradise" basically means death..

Paul😔 Chani😢 Stilgar😀 Emperor😚 Feyd💀

Lanville, the one who fought Feyd-Rautha, was one of the Duke Guards and in the first Film one of the Atreides Commanders. He sat in the Council of Duke Leto.

Also, they reason they don’t use the laser guns on things with shields is because it will cause a nuclear reaction on both ends of the laser beam (it’s explained in the books). So it’s not good for anyone. That’s why they’ve went back to using swords in this world. They only use the guns when they can.

No shields in the desert. Shields attract sand worms and send them into a frenzy

The Harkonans have a black sun so that’s why everything is in black and white

“Why didn’t you use those things on the helicopter ?”. This one is actually a REALLY good question, as it is not told in the movies, but it is in the books : a laser encountering a shield triggers a nuclear explosion, which fallouts are unpredictable…

Awesome to see your reaction to the "Silence!" scene, it is one of my favorite moments in the book. And in the book it is even more impressive since Paul says: "Silence! Where is your Gom Jabbar now?" (GJ being the poison needle, since if you remember the Reverend Mother told Paul to be silent when she was testing him with the box)

The best Star Wars analogy for Paul is essentially what if Luke chose the dark side instead.

Baron is the ultimate creepy uncle and Feyd is just as messed up

Yes, everyone borrowed from Frank Herbert. George Martin's whole feudal house system was taken straight out of Dune among many other things. George Lucas was a Dune book nerd who loved the idea of a "dark hero" and created Star Wars a decade or so later. glad you guys enjoyed it :)

@1:19:16 Can't expect the Emperor to have a larger role! Thing is, nature of that character is he's an old man who's become irrelevant. Plain as that. He's a relic, whose biggest moment in this story will be bending his knee, to kiss the ring of a man he killed out of petty jealousy. For such a character, you need an actor so good with just his face, and few words, that still an audience could believe that for a long, long time, he's been the most important man in the room. Walken's exactly the talent.

20:34 "Why don't they use that on the helicopter?" Fair question. The reason they don't use lasers on shields is because both the shield AND the laser gun would explode like a mini-nuke.

Including house Atreides and house Harkonnen there are 12 known great houses. Atreides, Harkonnen, Corrino, Fenring, Ginaz, Halleck, Metulli, Moritani, Ordos, Vernius, Richese, and Nebiro.

you just triggered the Dune fanbase with that title

Not a spoiler. This is from book one. Alia is considered an abomination because she received the ancestral memories in the womb. This is taboo because they think you need to have your own personality before you gain ancestral memories otherwise you get lost in other personalities and lose your "self".

Very satisfying reaction. Good elements in the commentary: Chani coming comically close to saying her secret name is Zendaya, more cowbell, rich story in spite of narrative haste, etc. I love how Stilgar goes full LIFE OF BRIAN on Paul.

37:40, this is Lady Margot Fenring and she is just visiting Giedi Prime. Also Margot is the Bene Gesserit wife of Count Hasimir Fenring. Count Fenring is the best friend and confidant of the Emperor. He appears in the book at some pivotal points but his scenes for the movie were left on the cutting room floor . Count Fenring appears to be a foppish type of guy that many don't take seriously beyond his close ties to the Emperor. Secretly, Fenring is a cold blooded assassin and works as the Emperor's hitman. In hand to hand combat, he is on par with Feyd and Paul. But he also has the skills to end targets though more covert means. Were it not for a genetic abnormality to makes him sterile, Fenring could have been a Kwitzach Haderach. On a positive side, Hasimir and Margot do have love for one another and he supports her Bene Gesserit shenanigans. In the book he present at this gladiatorial match with Margot and was fully aware of what she planned to do with Feyd.

"maybe like, 4 or 5" well close! it's actually 31 great houses!

To answer the question from the title: yes and no. The difference is that Paul knows exactly what's coming ... and still feels helpless to avoid his fate. Paul is simultanously the most powerful and most powerless man in the known universe, his prophetic powers can't help him.

I believe the Harkonnen spice harvesters are supposed to look like ticks, rather than a scrotum!

Nope. His arc is more that of a protagonist in an ancient Greek drama. He's a victim of circumstance (the Greeks would have called it a "curse of the gods", knowing there is more than one way to be their "chosen one") who is destroyed by the evil he has unleashed, being able to see it all in advance but unable to do anything about it.

Jessica was not married.

Remember to set up your thumper on trash collection day.

12:33 they don't make the distinction but any female group of people with access to spice can make reverend mothers. That's basically just the bg and the fremen tho. The fremen reverend mothers are called wild reverend mothers or sayyadina "friend to the prophet". That's a real Islamic term tho so I understand why they took out words like that and turned jihad to holy war. That reverend mother was not bg

We all need a hype man like Stilgar in our lives.

I have read that Denis Villaneuve started storyboarding this movie back in the 90s. Just like Peter Jackson and LOTR, the best movies are often passion projects. Now can’t wait to see what he does with Dune Messiah.

you guys are hilarious! best reaction for this movie for sure

Bless you both for the “more cowbell” cut. First time I’ve seen it in a reaction and I was starting to lose hope. Y’all truly are the Lisan Al Gaib’s 🙏🙌💯

when you lift the plates on the worm sand gets in which the worm does notice dosen't like and that's why they stay on the surface

In the books Lady Jessica became Silgar third wife.

you got it backwards their story’s where derived from paul’s story, or really Frank Herbert’s stories.

“Why don’t you use your shields ?”. Good question. Rewatch Dune part 1 (really paying attention this time !), Liet Kynes gives you the answer.

138 or so great houses. Paul now can bridge space and time. Like the huge space guild ships, he can be in two places at once and open the way for anything and everything to move from one place to another at once. He destroys the spice, then he is the only way anyone can be allowed to travel. Then he causes that deep space travel to happen.

I’m so glad you put the cowbell edit in! Most reactors miss r that opportunity I was the annoying person in the theater who yelled it out

Got the Harkonnen bustin at me. But they can’t do nothin to Muad’dib 🎶

Agreed about the thinking on this film - its deep, the david lynch film uses actual quotes from the books and they are DEEP - I needed to watch it like 4 times before I even had a clue what was going on - These new ones are easier for people new to the universe to understand as translated into something people who have not read the book can get straight away and the bits you need to know etc What a film - Lisan Al Giab!

Paul could have avoided Jihad/Holy War entirely if he had chosen not to join the Fremen from the start. When Paul joins them the Fremen begin to see him as their messiah so the Jihad/Holy War becomes inevitable because their faith can't be changed.

By the way the kiss between Feyd and Vladimir is not a "Harkonnen" thing its because Vladimir has a sexual relationship with Feyd and favors him over Rabban

Seeing Daenerys in the same sentence as anakin and Paul is actually insane😭 she is not even half the characters they are…

Imagine being George Lucas, and having a blank cheque (because he owned the chequebook) to create a trilogy focusing on the epically tragic fall of Anakin Skywalker. Then he goes and creates something barely a few notches above Doctor Who. What a startling lack of imagination, skill, and ambition. And SW fans actually defend it all.

this was a great reaction but one thing i haven’t seen people tell you is that her name is pronounced zen-DAY-uh not zendieya 😭😭

Rebecca Ferguson is so dam fine

You’re asking that question the wrong way around.

I think one of the biggest reasons why there's such a divide among audience's response to Paul is because his archetype isn't nearly as familiar with in pop culture. Paul is not a hero, or villain or even anti-hero. Paul is a tragic hero, and that's a very different thing than most of the discourse surrounding the character and ultimately what Herbert is trying to communicate within his work. The whole "Paul is good guy vs. Paul is bad guy it just depends on your perspective" perspective misses the point. Paul is very deliberately written as the Mary Sue of Mary Sues; he's raised from birth as a mentat, an order that represents all of the sacred aspects of the masculine. He's surrounded by alpha males who love and guide him. He's trained in the Bene Gesserit way by his mother, representing all the cunning power of the feminine. Paul's mother loves him and his father so much that she disobeys a sacred order of her own sisterhood. Paul is raised as a ducal heir and learned in the ways or war and politics. He then goes on to live among the most robust, resourceful and pragmatic people in all the imperium and eventually becomes their legitimate ruler after succeeding in all of their rituals and besting all comers. At this point the missionaria protectiva is moot, Paul has fulfilled all of the prophecies that no other person in the imperium ever could, he literally is That Guy and proves it. And that's all before becoming the goddamn Kwisatz Hadderach, the supreme being who can see in all places at once. The most capable human to ever live. And yet, even this supreme being is unfit to wield such monopolized power because no one is. The jihad is inevitable, violence sings its own song. This understanding of power is demonstrated in all the surrounding characters and subplots. The Bene Gesserit have the hubris to think they can control humanity and even the Kwisatz if they just patiently plan in the shadows long enough, the Fremen think they are ready to fulfill their dream of the "green paradise" which they do, but at great destructive cost to themselves, and so on. Herbert once stated that his favorite president was Richard Nixon as Nixon taught the American people to distrust presidents.

"PAUL ATREIDES’ ARC THE SAME AS ANAKIN AND DAENERYS?! " Given Dune was published way before either of those, the question should be is ANAKIN AND DAENERYS ARC THE SAME AS PAUL's?!

Yeah. You should say “are Anakin’s or Daenerys’s arcs the same as Paul’s ?”. The book Dune was written in 1965, just as a reminder… So please give back to Caesar…

"Sandbush" is criminal. Keep going tho

It's not explicitly explained in the movie as it is in the book so you guys can't know this If a shield is hit by a laser both the shield generator and the laser blow up spectacularly. 30:42 Chini is riding Paul's worm. 1:12:38 Chini is bout to Über out

You can see where George Lucas ‘borrowed’ from when writing Star Wars.

Frank herbert who wrote dune basically took the "chosen one" trope, gave it a twist how our future could look like with the rise of AI and evolotiun of the human body and society and flipped it by saying not every charismatic leader is a good guy. people didnt like it and misunderstood it and he wrote dune messiah to get the message across that Paul is not a Hero. in the first chapter he compares his bodycount with hitler and dschingis kahn. dennis just put more of the warning signs in the first 2 movies. billions die because of his egoistical choices. There are no good guys but damn is it an amzining story that makes you think while reading. hard to get that across as a film thats why since the 1960's everybody said its "unfilmable" but kudos to you guys. beside the asian doctor/atreides warrior bit

You are watching a movie, but you forgot what was 5 minutes ago...🤦‍♂️

20:34 because lasgun + shield = really big boom and everybody die

*Luke, I'm your (grand)father!*

.... Dune came before star wars... and terminator (the novel Dune: The Butlerian Jihad explains how their world has no advanced computers after they overthrew the thinking machines) ... and Game of thrones...

You mean is Anakin and Daenery's like Paul... Dune was a massive influence on Star Wars. The Bennegesserit are where he got some inspo for the Jedi.

kwisatz haderach can only be a male trained in the bene gesserit

35:39, someone may have mentioned this but in the books the Harkonnen's are family of red heads. But I guess Villaneuve wanted them to look so different because of what Giedi Prime is like. The planet is an ecological nightmare as the Harkonnen family has over industrialized it for centuries. So with little to no natural sunlight they are pretty pale. Chef's kiss to the director for giving them a black sun that washes out almost all color in outdoor shots.

"HOOKED ON PHONICS WORKS FOR ME!" is what I thought after watching the intro. You're probably too young to know what I'm referencing.

at least every great house has its own atomics not sure about the minor houses

Decalitre is, as name suggests, 10 litres.

44:10, dude this is mild compared to what the Baron Vlad Harkonnen was doing to Feyd in the books. Vladmir didn't let things like blood relations get in the way of his kicks. He and Feyd have a seriously twisted relationship of abuse, assassination attempts and punishment. Some of the things the Baron makes Feyd do to stay in his good graces I can't even describe for fear of getting flagged. Also you keep mentioning all of the female servants surrounding Vladmir, don't be so sure they actually are female. The Baron shall we say likes his playthings young and a bit more masculine. The director has done a good job of tip toeing around how big of a freak this dude is.

Denis said he wanted the emperor to appear weak like in the wizard of oz

Most are not aware, but Dune was inspired by the Princess of Mars series. Check out the movie John Carter, you can see where most modern scifi movies get the stories and ideas from. Shame disney sabotaged the movies release. Couldve been an awesome series.

Black people always have the best reaction funny people

9:37 A decalitre is ten litres

Wrong way to ask that question. Dune was published in 1965.

Decaliter = 10 liters

Chosen one stories are not that uncommon in literature. With respect to Dune, book one (the basis for these 2 movies) was published in 1965, 11 years before George Lucas Star Wars, A New Hope. It has been suggested by some that one of Herbert's inspiration for the Dune story was the T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) book "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom", published in 1926.

Well, no because Dune was about the corruption of political and religious power. It would only be the same arc of Star Wars if Star Wars starred Palpatine...