@Patterrz 6 ай бұрын
I can't imagine the backlash Twitch would have gotten if they cut 1/3 of their staff then announced a multi million dollar streamer signing, not surprised they're moving away from it
@p-__ 6 ай бұрын
My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
@lightningboat 6 ай бұрын
Makes sense yeah
@FlopNonStop 6 ай бұрын
@@p-__ I don’t think anyone would buy your farts
@miajose660 6 ай бұрын
@@p-__I approve.
@OafSite 6 ай бұрын
Probably. I've never seen a woman with the personality of a potato sky rocket to such success. @@p-__
@EightBitRivals 6 ай бұрын
If Palworld taught me anything it's that if Pokimane leaves Twitch she'll just be replaced by Pokimane with guns.
@phatal4573 6 ай бұрын
good! she fell off anyway
@Man0War_Loki 6 ай бұрын
Not sure how people got her that big for starters. She's one of the most fake people on the platform. Reminds me of Sniperwolf in that sense
@Irosicndosjnf 6 ай бұрын
Simps and stans, probably
@404schmoozernotfound 6 ай бұрын
do you only know 2 women who stream? Pokimane's content is nothing like sniperwolf. @@Man0War_Loki
@davidaugustofc2574 6 ай бұрын
@@404schmoozernotfound They're two personas that are completely overblown.
@JJBeauregard1 6 ай бұрын
For me as a viewer, the only thing Twitch has over other streaming sites is the chat. Everything else seems to be better on other sites, like bitrate, the ability to jump back and forth during a stream and so on.
@TheAtllas 5 ай бұрын
exactly its just the viewers and the meme culture
@乂 6 ай бұрын
I agree with you! KZfaq needs to invest more in their livestreaming side. If they can improve their chat and discoverability for streamers, they could definitely give Twitch a run for its money.
@SimonWakefieldUK 6 ай бұрын
They won't though as the money isn't in live streaming as it's just much harder to monetise for the platform. Most livestreamers on Twitch don't generate Twitch money, they use up way more bandwidth to put their content out, the viewers they have use more than if thet watched a video and putting ads inti the stream is harder, you preroll you scare people away but the ads go into the livestream you can annoy people by making them watch an ad rather than the moment they watched for hours to see. It's really only the small number with a big normal video following on YT that live streaming on YT makes sense for everyone. So they will focus on videos and shorts where the money is better for them and leave Twitch & Kick to take the livestreamers who don't have the YT following to pull people into YT livestreams
@06ToyotaCorolla 6 ай бұрын
@@SimonWakefieldUK I don't know, KZfaq already has a pretty solid experience just because of things like like video player, and YT also doesn't have the very visible baggage and drama that Twitch does(on the streaming side of things). I've had my Twitch account since 2012, and I already prefer watching streams on YT. The only features that seem to be missing(on the viewer side, I don't stream myself) are gift subs and things like 3rd party emotes. I see way higher view counts on YT as opposed to Twitch for the same streamer, and more and more streams are showing up next to recommended videos and on the homepage. I could easily see YT legitimately killing or doing some serious damage to Twitch in the coming years.
@SimonWakefieldUK 6 ай бұрын
@@06ToyotaCorolla I would hazard a guess you are watching streamers who already have big KZfaq presence though. Discovery of live-streams on KZfaq is awful on its own, it's hard enough to get viewers on twitch as discovery isn't great there but it much harder on YT. KZfaq is setup to push you short vods, not long livestreams. A livestream just costs way more for them to provide and they can't monetise as well (advertiser's are just less interested in buying livestream and spots and it's harder to place them due to the nature of a livestream) so there is nothing driving them to push livestreams in a serious way, if anything a livestream is more a tool for them to send you to both the streamers vods or other users vods on the platform. As a streamer if you are able to put time into YT and get lucky and it blows up enough then switching to YT for streaming may make sense but otherwise YT is never going to put the money into making a low income, high expense part of their business more appealing to people without big YT followings as they are a business. It's why after the real push they did a few years ago on improving the live streaming side it's largely been neglected since as the realised what mixer found and what we see with Twitch now finding that making money in the livestream game is limited
@porkcutlet3920 6 ай бұрын
Nah, they'd rather improve their ability to circumvent adblock. Why improve user experience when you can make it worse?
@devshashOG 6 ай бұрын
Not sure why y’all don’t get it, all of these platforms spent money on exclusive deals (in the beginning) to bring the big guns and hence their viewers to the platform. Then once its stable they don’t have to do it any more. These exclusive contracts were just like SEO/SEM to increase visitors and stable users for their platform. You think paying $100 mil to xqc generates profits? Lol its advertisement and you use it to boost your numbers, then create stable users, market it for more exclusive deals for other streamers, and in the end when it all works and stabilises the user base you don’t need to any more since you gained the market share you hoped for. This is literally any business basics 101 done right by all the current successful streaming platforms. Didn’t work for some because they tried weird stuff unnecessarily making their platform uncomfortably inaccessible in ways (microsofts little disaster in mixer, which was completely their own fault for reasons anyone who used the platform easily understood) and they paid for it. But the rest did well and now they don’t need to throw money unnecessarily like this anymore
@ziggyhfx8202 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq > twitch as a casual stream viewer bc I dont get 15 ads when I click on a stream. I'm also already on youtube so much so I prefer it.
@justDreamerrr 6 ай бұрын
As a fellow casual stream viewer I agree with this.
@Chambyr1 6 ай бұрын
And the fact that you can instantly reverse or go back to any point on the stream
@wettuna1769 6 ай бұрын
@@Chambyr1literally the only thing that matters to me idk why twitch hasn’t done that yet
@bomjur 6 ай бұрын
Also, chat on KZfaq doesn't look like a fkin monke zoo with unstoppable emote spam every time streamer take a breath.
@sielbel6782 6 ай бұрын
Also the ability to just reverse a couple secs is great
@silverfang46 6 ай бұрын
He's right about lurkers. Whenever Dougdoug or Pointcrow multistream, I prefer the YT. The Twitch videoplayer is such dogshit there's just no competition there and the amount of ads on Twitch is ridiculous. YT chat is way worse, but I usually just close the chat when I watch on a TV or second monitor anyway.
@zokora3656 6 ай бұрын
for a better youtube chat you can get the truffle expansion. Ludwig created that one and it makes yt livestreams much better especially chat
@Karan-Aujla 6 ай бұрын
I don't really watch livestreams. What do you mean by chat being worse?
@VonSnuggles1412 6 ай бұрын
@@Karan-Aujlaso cuz of the way Twitch chat is coded, it essentially scrolls in little waves. The way twitch's chat works means your message will actually be readable to most people. The KZfaq chat on the other hand is a constant stream, meaning it's considerably harder, if not impossible to read chat messages if it's a big creator
@yellowcard8100 6 ай бұрын
I don't know if I agree with YT chat being way worse. Twitch chat is just adhd intensified, with multiple comments having something copy and pasted with an emote at the end.
@fauge7 6 ай бұрын
I agree. The chat is a pretty easy to fix thing with KZfaqrs resources. Twitch seems to be running bare bones these days
@Apinanoob 6 ай бұрын
I've literally said this since the beginning that signing streamers to expensive deals was stupid as fuck for the companies.
@Greippi10 6 ай бұрын
Yeah the companies are finally realizing/admitting that they can't just buy the audience with the streamer, so it makes no sense to spend millions and millions only for the streamer to go back to the previous platform after the contract ends.
@supersonic4863 6 ай бұрын
i think the biggest problem for youtube streaming is that its not a streaming platform. it is a video platform, and finding newer and smaller streamers is incredibly difficult. if youtube had a seperate, streamer focused platform, nobody would be left on twitch.
@keremcantarhan 5 ай бұрын
It's the same with twitch though. If you're a small streamer, you're at the bottom of the listing and most people won't ever see your stream. On top of that, preroll ads are just devastating for small streamers. Almost nobody is going to watch an ad to watch a stream they know nothing about and only has like 50 viewers.
@supersonic4863 5 ай бұрын
@@keremcantarhan the difference on twitch is that youre able to look for smaller streamers (especially when looking through specific categories), thats just downright impossible on youtube.
@yoursnatchedweave641 5 ай бұрын
it was called youtube gaming and then they killed it off lol
@Ronald98 5 ай бұрын
@@supersonic4863 I don't know if this is something exclusive to my account but half of my recommended videos are smaller creators and streamers now (0-200 views videos and 0-10 viewers streames).
@andreynasonov9527 6 ай бұрын
The thing I hate about Twitch is that it front-loads all the ads to the start of the stream so when you want to join in, you get 4 30-second unskippable ads. That is why it's much easier to go to KZfaq and watch 5-second ads once in a while and be on your way
@alexjustalexyt1144 6 ай бұрын
Also, there might be a lot of people who already have the youtube premium thing so they don't need to be bothered by ads on this platform and can't be bothered to pay for the Twitch subscription
@invertedsun 6 ай бұрын
@@alexjustalexyt1144 as someone who was streaming/ avid viewer on twitch who has since switched to KZfaq. I cant agree with this more. i was paying for turbo on twitch and premium on YT but now that im just on YT is made my wallet heavier and less of a pain in the neck to deal with.
@ItsJustValHere 6 ай бұрын
And even if you get an add on KZfaq, you can rewind a bit and catch up with 1,5x speed lol. Sometimes I click on a stream like an hour late and I catch up like that.
@WARnTEA 6 ай бұрын
@@ItsJustValHereyea that shit is so infuriating. I wouldn’f be mad at twitch if it was more frequent 30second ads but they prevent viewers from watching 5minutes of content that could have had like 30minutes of build up to the payoff, and now because you aren’t subbed to every streamer you get penalized. When I do watch Twitch these days I usually just watch vods to avoid this issue.
@Thezentime 6 ай бұрын
Ad block works on twitch tho
@Tron74 6 ай бұрын
The twitch ads absolutely kill me from watching streams. I’m interested but not wait 45 seconds plus interested
@averageanimefan519 6 ай бұрын
I don't use Twitch so help me out, is there a premium version with no ads or even an ad blocker people can use like KZfaq? Cause 45 seconds or more of ads sounds annoying as hell.
@Demortra 6 ай бұрын
@@averageanimefan519 You can subscribe to a stream for 4.99 and it removes ads for that one streamer. Watch another streamer need to subscribe again
@Professor_Butt 6 ай бұрын
@@averageanimefan519 Yeah it's called Turbo and it's $11.99 a month, but twitch doesn't really push it as a service and it doesn't add any value to the platform aside from being ad-free.
@phatal4573 6 ай бұрын
@@averageanimefan519 yeah if you use ur prime sub on a streamer or pay 5$ a month you wont get any ads.
@averageanimefan519 6 ай бұрын
@@phatal4573 Thank you!
@Eibemig 6 ай бұрын
Pokimane is messy, regressing and not apealing of a choice
@Argumentiveableish 2 ай бұрын
Amen to that. I was like: She was the image of twitch?! Because she's fake, a ruthless businesses woman, and pretends to be wholesome while secretly feeding/supporting the weird degeneracy going on in the background for tier 3 subs? And yeah I get it, sometimes she'll speak out about it just so that she can act holier than thou or because that's a way to criticize some commenter that got under her skin.
@gabrielaraiza6891 6 ай бұрын
She trying to get that bag. Hope no one offers her anything
@Shad0w5carab 6 ай бұрын
Those massive contracts always felt like they were ridiculous imo. No offence to the streamers, I’m glad they got their bag, but from the companies perspective I don’t understand how they expected to make back as much as they were spending.
@dongordon2754 6 ай бұрын
At best it's an expensive way to buy market share, but the market share itself isn't even profitable most of the time, so they were not thinking that far ahead, it seems. like.
@fujster 6 ай бұрын
publicity money really
@astral3488 6 ай бұрын
i dont think they expected to make back what they spent, just a fast and expensive way to get huge headlines and market share
@LukeWarmBrainDamage 6 ай бұрын
You also have to think it could be a case of having to spend there budget, a lot of restaurants and companies will spend there budgets even when they don’t need to, Reason why is if they don’t the budget gets smaller kind of sucks, could be wrong though.
@SeverinoCatule 6 ай бұрын
That's the point of publicity budget, they pay someone to promote their brand everywhere whenever is possible
@torrosenpai3225 6 ай бұрын
I'd always choose to watch someone on youtube vs twitch, the pause and play where you left off is stoopid good. And not getting spammed 15 ads in a row is also really nice
@checkedcabbage2462 6 ай бұрын
QOL is what keeps me on yt. There are absolutely people I want to watch on twitch. Even ads and stuff aside, The yt app just works so much better than the twitch one that it alone is 70% of the reason i stay.
@DamonLeonin 6 ай бұрын
it's also super nice when you're already on youtube for content and just happen to see a creator live and you pop in
@FallenActual 6 ай бұрын
Even with BetterTTV yeah KZfaq still winning
@ZeroiusProduction 6 ай бұрын
@@checkedcabbage2462 yeah, the twitch app is actually garbage, especially if you try and stream it via chromecast or whatever the name is, it lags the fudge out whenever i try too.
@nate.draws.things 6 ай бұрын
Yeah with as long as Twitch has been around, it's insane that you still can't pause and come back or rewind an ongoing stream.
@KingStix 6 ай бұрын
streaming is a loss leader, debt is expensive, companies cutting back
@johnm9263 6 ай бұрын
pokemane is right that twitch is regressing, BUT she also was part of the problem so its extremely hypocritical of her, shes just complaining that she isnt the one who is profiting mostly from it
@Bear-xd3mx 2 ай бұрын
out of interest what problem do you think she contributed to? i'm only familiar with her from 2020 onwards when she was part of the sykkuno corpse etc group
@melliferou 6 ай бұрын
Twitch's advertising makes it impossible to enjoy new-to-you streamers as a viewer and it drives people away rather than influencing them to subscribe. 1-4 ads within the hour weren't forced on streamers or viewers during Covid so people were just more comfortable being on the site, now there's no growth so no one is seeking contracts
@Gazmus 6 ай бұрын
Adblockers certainly help
@sequelster 6 ай бұрын
I tend to browse by game and click on random streams to check them out (well...I used to..now I just don't use Twitch) and it was so painful having to sit through ads on each and every one. It'd take 10 minutes to see 3 people's streams to get a sense of if I want to watch more. It sucks so bad for discover ability
@yoster39 6 ай бұрын
Choosing to roll ads manually disable pre rolls, however that option is available only to affiliates iirc
@misty9964 6 ай бұрын
You get ads everywhere? Even the ads on yt are usually way too much and annoying i dont get why ppl act like its just a Twitch issue.
@MrHeadshot07 6 ай бұрын
you guys get ads?
@乂 6 ай бұрын
I honestly prefer the KZfaq community over Twitch.
@𝔟𝔢𝔩𝔩 6 ай бұрын
first
@КГБКолДжорджКостанца 6 ай бұрын
Yeah twitch is just a bore and it probably won't survive in years
@luiz3r0 6 ай бұрын
Bot
@乂 6 ай бұрын
@@luiz3r0🧢
@oliverbrochu7616 6 ай бұрын
How the heck do you have 6 million subs with like 2 videos
@MrKapucyn19 6 ай бұрын
I only view streams on Twitch, because Twitch feels like it's a streaming platform, KZfaq was a video platform, when you go into a stream on YT, it feels like they did it in 5mins. The layout, chat and everything is the same as on their video services. If they made an exclusive KZfaq LIVE, or something and actually worked on it a bit, so it was user friendly, i would swap to YT no problem. I love my chat on Twitch (that's occupying whole right side of screen), my followed streamers bar on the left, the way i can easily press "Browse" and look for other streamers in certain games. It's not as easy and intuitive on YT.
@fellthekerl 6 ай бұрын
The culture on twitch is definitely the biggest thing that separates it. I find that if I plan to participate in chats which is usually smaller streamers that I know better I prefer twitch 100% of the time but if I am just going to be watching a bigger streamer that I am just there for the stream itself then youtube also wins that 100% of the time. It just has a better player and less ads and that makes the lurker experience significantly better on youtube as a whole. I also really like having all of a creators content be accessible from one page. If I am watching a streamer on youtube it's very easy to find any other content they've made as shorts or videos and just having to put in less effort to find that content makes me more likely to check it out in the first place.
@jadeshin4320 6 ай бұрын
twitch chat is better for sure, but the convenience of the rewind and fast forward of KZfaq will always be my main reason why I prefer the latter when it comes to streaming
@robinfinch314 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, live vod exists if turned on.
@hiroomimi9629 6 ай бұрын
its actually up to the owner. there an option to allow play back on live stream and if they want to have it upload as soon as stream ends.....not an automated thing
@AE-or7xd 6 ай бұрын
@@hiroomimi9629on youtube it IS automatically in though. Twitch it's automatically off
@jamieeddolls5605 6 ай бұрын
Kick and twitch chat are usually far more cancerous than youtube from my experience
@griff2181 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq is more convenient to watch because it's where I watch videos but I hate how chat looks compared to twitch and I wish videos and streams were under seperate tabs because it feels messy when I'm looking for vids and have 7 streams at the top going down
@Jdrunnin 6 ай бұрын
Ludwig's YT streaming extension, Truffle or whatever it is called now, makes it a lot closer to twitch which makes the YT chat more bearable
@yuujihatsune 6 ай бұрын
As in a channel? because there is different tabs for streams and video. When people upload their VODs from twitch etc , then that is when it is considered a video and not a stream. Which i agree, creators should be able to choose the category
@KillerTacos54 6 ай бұрын
They are under separate tabs? At least when they’re turned into VODS. Unless you’re not talking about channel view
@griff2181 6 ай бұрын
@@KillerTacos54 I'm on about how streams show up in subscriptions by default with vids instead of being seperate by default
@ct9809 6 ай бұрын
Worse, scheduled streams don’t even show up one after the other - they’ll intersperse in the rest of your subscriptions feed, which is incredibly annoying
@-CoNeri- 6 ай бұрын
My favorite Poki clip is her using the N-word unironically! She’s such an icon!
@hamsturinn 6 ай бұрын
?
@parth7300 6 ай бұрын
@@hamsturinnno way you aren't aware of the poki classic . Probably her most entertaining clip
@-CoNeri- 6 ай бұрын
@@hamsturinn kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z993f8tjy7m1aYU.html
@NinoKito 6 ай бұрын
I'm a 150-200 viewer andy on Twitch, around 100k subs on KZfaq. I found while I prefer Twitch's overlays, interaction and tools, my viewership on Yotube can jump 3x, sometimes around the 900 mark. Huge for a smaller or midsized creator like me. I would love for KZfaq to invest more into the livestreaming side of their platform because I think they can be (and are) a real competitor in the market.
@outcastthoughts5337 6 ай бұрын
Nino I adore your videos, I hope you know you're one of my favorite comfort creators. I hope you have a lovely day ❤
@unicorn_xxx3424 6 ай бұрын
mhm
@p-__ 6 ай бұрын
My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
@chie970 6 ай бұрын
Hi, Andy. How's Woody?
@KenWorthTV 6 ай бұрын
It will ! This is just the beginning i was just saying this ! When KZfaq catches up it will be bad for twitch in my opinion
@Mentaljedi 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq still needs to step up its game, it doesn't really push livestreams still, but if they can get that right i think its game on
@BoredMarcus 6 ай бұрын
they won't though. streamers switch to youtube for free now and they make no money from it. why would they invest in something that will never make them money. If they triple their market share and reach the top spot that twitch now has, they still won't make money from it, because twitch doesn't make money right now. the'll do nothing for streaming.
@RedzeeTV 6 ай бұрын
Idk about anyone else but I consitently get content-relevant livestream recommendations with 2 digit views, theyre pushing it with me at least.
@BigMuskachini 6 ай бұрын
livestreaming is dogshit
@robenriven 6 ай бұрын
@@BoredMarcusyou know that if 1 million people watch an ad of an stream is a lot of money even if its 5 second right?. Right? i hope you are joking
@markdotinc8371 6 ай бұрын
@@robenriven Brother how many streamers are pulling a million viewers
@FrostDzNz 6 ай бұрын
Kinda funny to see "twitch is regressing" attached to pokimane when she's part of the reason their fall off went from a slow decline to a sharp drop the past few years.
@GodofGoblins 6 ай бұрын
How so? Fun fact, the past couple years she been streaming less and less. So curious how she is responsible for stuff like the nude art fiasco or cutting off Korea or etc. Was she the mastermind behind all that or something?
@FrostDzNz 6 ай бұрын
@@GodofGoblins Her campaign to ban gambling because her buddies got scammed by a liar and manipulator gave kick a hell of a jump start. There's a reason Kick can afford to pay out big contracts while Twitch is doing layoffs, turning away from streamer deals, and their reputation is in the mud.
@GodofGoblins 6 ай бұрын
@FrostDzNz oh I highly doubt her hypocrisy on gambling with kick was a big deal for kick. Kick is successful for plenty of other reasons. Viral crap, entertaining streamers, etc. The drama with poki and Hasan was just a fun little drama moment. Fun one too. It showed off her hypocrisy yet again. Kick has tons of money thanks to stake with there massive resovoire of cash at there disposal. And even they haven't done giant contract deals lately either. In fact, if twitch self destructs, it wouldn't surprise me if kicks contracts aren't as high as usual since the only other real spots to join are youtube which don't seem to want to give out cash like that again, rumble which....yeah ok, and Facebook which to be fair has a history of offering decent cash. But yeah, that will be interesting to see in the future.
@kyoshipleasesteponme 6 ай бұрын
Twitch is far superior for chat, but KZfaq is better to watch streams on.
@sungnankang 6 ай бұрын
I like twitch emotes and gambles, but yt has better video player and thats a huge plus
@goingafk0 6 ай бұрын
I honestly disagree I pay for premium and I have gigabit internet and I face way more slowness on KZfaq, and twitch VOD player is amazing especially for going back to a VOD they have it down to the second whereas KZfaq it is a minute behind
@manywaystodi3 6 ай бұрын
@@goingafk0 Hey just a tip because it might be your case too, I also have premium and I recently found out that all the lag I experienced on youtube was due to my adblock being on, even tho I have premium :D I turned it off (youtube only) and it's a different experience (YT has been trying to sabotage adblock usage for... forever now)
@BoredMarcus 6 ай бұрын
@@goingafk0 I almost never hear that. Of course configurations are different, it also may vary in different countries, but almost all people I hear say YT is better. I have YT premium and Twitch Turbo, I watch in 2 houses, one with gigabit internet and one without, on 2 Laptops and multiple PCs, 2 SmartTVs, a playstation and mobile. I also stay regularly at friends houses with varying setups. In NONE of these circumstances is Twitch better, YT basically works perfect, Twitch has connection errors regularly on every of these setups. VODs are harder to find, and get deleted and sometimes muted. I also don't understand what you mean by YT is a minute behind. when? Because when you're watching live and go back, you can literally fast forward every YT stream to the point when you're actually live again. You don't lose one second! But Twitch cuts of several minutes before the live part and you always have a gap between the VOD and live. To see every minute on Twitch you have to wait until the stream is over.
@yololoyo7379 6 ай бұрын
The problem with KZfaq tho, they don't promote or care about small streamers at all. Other than that, yeah
@me-jv8ji 6 ай бұрын
thats a lie and a half most of the time twitch playback breaks and the website stops loading and 404s me @@goingafk0
@DaveRobinson. 6 ай бұрын
I’m 31 and it was strange realizing I’m older than a lot of people, like you, that I frequently look to for insight/wisdom. Can’t imagine how my mom feels watching you 😂
@p-__ 6 ай бұрын
My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
@Leeeee1 6 ай бұрын
Happens to everyone slowly but surely lol
@thundeed 6 ай бұрын
The United States of America 🇺🇸
@K311WasHere 6 ай бұрын
It feels so weird when i think about how some of the people I watch are only like a handful of years older than me
@codetaku 6 ай бұрын
Uh... I'm 32 but I've never thought I was looking to Ludwig for wisdom, he just seems like a chill down to earth guy that is worth watching?
@Aclownin1 6 ай бұрын
Shes mad twitch wouldnt renew her exclusive deal for anything close to what Xqc got from Kick. Thats been a sore spot for her since what X got leaked and his wasnt even exvlusive he can still stream anywhere.
@m4atty.r21xd4 6 ай бұрын
its a shame pokimane didnt quit streaming entirely i had my hopes up for a second
@RadicalCapitol 6 ай бұрын
As someone who rarely chats in livestreams and just watches, KZfaq is SO much easier and less headache inducing to use.
@Syaryde 6 ай бұрын
He’s right about lurking. I don’t even have twitch downloaded because I don’t wanna be switching platforms just to watch their gaming content and then switch back to KZfaq for their KZfaq content. I’d rather just watch the VODs or streams on KZfaq than on twitch.
@harvest44492 6 ай бұрын
Do you have a job?
@bossm60 6 ай бұрын
What streamers do you watch? Depending on the streamer, nothing beats the hivemind braindead chat on twitch
@zumptt 6 ай бұрын
Pokimane leaving Twitch sounds like a W for Twitch imo but lets see what this is about.
@limitedbom2206 5 ай бұрын
Just checking back in. It’s been less than a month and pokimane is back streaming on twitch. Shocker.
@Maka91Productions 6 ай бұрын
Mixer found out the hard way that signing people didn't pay off back in 2020
@VincentDoesntSmoke 6 ай бұрын
What makes streaming on youtube a little stronger in my mind is youtube premium vs a twitch sub or turbo. A sub/turbo is only a way of getting rid of ads and emotes with a sub but youtube premium has ad free as well as a few actual useful things people like as well.
@doomsday437 6 ай бұрын
As well as KZfaq music which will always be a trillion times better than Spotify
@ekay6566 6 ай бұрын
Also use yt premium instead of spotify bcs I use yt often and listen to music. Nice to get bunch of benefits for the price of one.
@kritimangoswami 6 ай бұрын
Pokimane is streaming on youtube only because twitch is not giving her the attention that she think she deserves, she was hating on youtube streaming when ludwig and others moved.
@user-sg6gp3ri7q 6 ай бұрын
Twitch is regressing: said one of the people who helped that process. Lmao.
@SmugslyTV 6 ай бұрын
All good points, but in Pokimane's case, she has fallen off so hard she probly wouldnt have gotten a very big offer for exclusivity even if they were still doing that. She's making it seem like it's twitch's failing that they dont want to pay her to fall off further exclusively on their platform. People are kinda just sick of her smug superior attitude regarding the people who support her, and her half-assed misleading apologies nobody is buying.
@fathogan 6 ай бұрын
YT also isn't blocked on most corporate fire walls unlike Twitch and Kick. I can't throw on a Twitch stream in the background at the office, but I can for a YT stream. I feel like this market of viewers isn't as niche as people think but I hardly see anyone mentioning it. Especially with a return to office in many industries it could have a significant impact on Americans that stream during the average work day.
@mr.korvus9070 6 ай бұрын
How about focusing on your job and doing what you're paid for instead of stealing company time and watching KZfaq videos?.... Better hope you don't get caught and then they go through your hard drive to find out how much time you've were on KZfaq and make you pay it back...
@mil6551 6 ай бұрын
@@mr.korvus9070most people listen to the radio while working, I don't think a background stream does not impact your work more than radio
@fathogan 6 ай бұрын
@@mr.korvus9070 "Do you care to explain why you have nearly 6 hours a day of French techno live streams in your browser history for the days you're in the office? This is a serious problem"
@lepus6511 6 ай бұрын
@@mr.korvus9070 pretty good bait
@bladeealbania 6 ай бұрын
yea its a shame youtube doesnt have a good interactive interface for streams or streaming culture in emotes
@mrboy5283 6 ай бұрын
Twitch’s change of stance on multi streaming seems like a mandatory concession for sub split/payout changes and stopping exclusivity guarantees, but it’s probably more strategic than that. Multi streaming is an opportunity for discoverability. Obviously, that’s great for creators, but also for Twitch. Twitch is notorious for offering bad to no discoverability and probably conceded on this because of the zero-sum and top heavy nature of live streaming. Now while the optics alone for this change are already good, the real game/gain would be for Twitch to offer just the slightest amount of incentive over other platforms for creators to prioritize Twitch and ultimately siphon viewership to Twitch. There’s probably some reinvented metric for this but it is essentially just Pay-Per-View(er).
@Shawnyyy2 6 ай бұрын
The lurking comment is actually so true. KZfaq streaming is better for lurkers, especially if you have KZfaq premium.
@belovedxx5283 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq streams are so much better to watch cause no ads during a stream all the time
@nattacka 6 ай бұрын
ad block :/
@cabobs2000 6 ай бұрын
So why would YT want you to watch lives? No incentive for YT to promote lives because they lose more money than if you just watched videos.
@belovedxx5283 4 ай бұрын
@@cabobs2000 that’s a KZfaq problem not a viewers problem, I just said I enjoy KZfaq streams of my favorite creators that I don’t get 10 ad spammed
@LiveOutLoud321 6 ай бұрын
The biggest reason I like watching streams on KZfaq outside of the video player is because I already have KZfaq Premium so I can watch any stream without getting ads. There’s still a lot of things that Twitch does better like culture and more fun ways to interact with streamers as a viewer but KZfaq has a lot of ease of use that comes from the platform itself and carries over to live streams.
@Kdg- 6 ай бұрын
People are also using a vpn to abuse the new prime changes. Dantes was doing a subathon and some dude used a vpn to change his region to turkey, donated 20 subs. iirc dantes ended up having to stop it early because of it.
@kysierkevin 6 ай бұрын
It's not just the gaming industry or streaming platforms consolidating their resources. All of the Big Tech Industries are in massive layoffs Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Tencent, etc. In case nobody knew, we are in a recession right now...
@siegejay6364 6 ай бұрын
I prefer KZfaq to be honest when watching streams (if available) because it's just waaay easier to pause and rewind during a live stream. Plus, f*ck Twitch for not pausing the stream (on viewers end) when you get an ad. Ads on twitch are fine if the stream resumed where you left off.
@Tech__Tyrant 6 ай бұрын
If KZfaq put some work into the chat and more streamer end up moving over I can see KZfaq pulling ahead someday. I think YT signing Lud and Valkyrae was absolutely worth it. It really helped legitimize itself in the streaming space.
@MrOrangeonion 6 ай бұрын
Nah pokimane has just rightfully gained alot of dislike recently
@TheMirandalorian 6 ай бұрын
The culture on twitch is not enough imo... personally the ads are so bad that I personally can't even watch it anymore. I have youtube premium, no ads, way more content beyond just live streaming... there really is no contest.
@kaiserwillhelmthe2nd773 6 ай бұрын
Yea as a lurker I love KZfaq it’s been over a year since I’ve used twitch
@ChimeraGames 6 ай бұрын
As a newer content creator who is a streamer first, I started off on KZfaq for about a year. Switched to Twitch this month, and I like it better for the time being. For someone just starting out, doing what I wanna do, I prefer Twitch for the better tools that enhance the viewer experience and the better discoverability within my own niche. I think KZfaq will still be an important tool, especially as I get more serious about creating, but I have experienced much better growth on Twitch. So, it'll be my focus for now. Creating there feels more sustainable for me because that's where my community is. I'd say to anyone starting out that it's important to go where you see your community is. As I grow, I'll start to take advantage of both, because it would be silly not to.
@JmacBogan 6 ай бұрын
twitch isn't regressing she is regressing drama with xqc's kick deal and then bails herself lol
@watchingperson5357 6 ай бұрын
from what I've heard, pricing changes based on region doesn't hurt profit but on the contrary boosts it as more people can afford to pay for it. specifically for steam games.
@miqotesoulia8620 6 ай бұрын
Afreeca is my home for Starcraft Broodwar, if you truly enjoy that RTS game please consider watching ASL. Its still thriving over so many years.
@hulacat1555 6 ай бұрын
Another great video Mogul Mail, that Ludwig guy could never
@kiwo579 6 ай бұрын
i see this same joke every video and i still laugh at it
@ChessHistorian 6 ай бұрын
the horse is dead sir put the stick down we have you surrounded
@TsarNick1995 6 ай бұрын
1000th time I've seen this comment. Cringe.
@VashTheStampede117 6 ай бұрын
The only people depressed about Poki's departure from the platform are the ones that can't simp and give her their rent money
@xaphan8581 5 ай бұрын
Oh I’m sure she will find a way to take they’re money
@PoisonCore 6 ай бұрын
Poki is the type of person to not get offered an exclusive deal and then make it seem like it was her decision to move to another platform.
@Jessica-kw8no 6 ай бұрын
She didnt move to another platform shes still going to stream on twitch. She literally mentioned she wasn’t getting offered an exclusive deal in the first half of her podcast stop being dense
@PoisonCore 6 ай бұрын
@@Jessica-kw8no Pokesimp is being rude to me. Can't believe it.
@PoisonCore 6 ай бұрын
@@Jessica-kw8no and who tf listens to the Pokimaine podcast 😂
@user-th1pv6ks5o 5 ай бұрын
@@PoisonCore So... you have no arguments, got it. I have never watched a pokimane anything, but "you like pokimane" shouldn't be taken seriously with anyone with a brain. Like imagine going "You read what Trump is on trial for who does that" while trying to make the claim he is on trial for kicking a dog.
@PoisonCore 5 ай бұрын
@@user-th1pv6ks5oI'm not reading all that. Congrats or sorry. Whichever fits what you said.
@asf7sg89 6 ай бұрын
Esfand killing it lately with NoPixel
@yololoyo7379 6 ай бұрын
Cornwood has always been iconic. One of the most favorite Nopixel character
@fr0ck360 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq isn’t great either with the spam bots roaming around. But, I prefer KZfaq Live than spending 30 second unskippable ads and not able to reverse livestream on Twitch
@libidinousbear4563 6 ай бұрын
If you think people aren't appreciating that you have been around forever, it means you're doing something wrong. You are an entertainer. People pay you to be entertained. If you are not entertaining, you do not get paid. The same as if any regular fucking person can't do their job, they get fired. It is an incredibly straightforward concept and doing mental gymnastics to get around simple facts is insane. Also, did Ludwig call January 2023 "pre covid?"
@Griemz 6 ай бұрын
biggest issue to me is that youtube streams are just completely invisible. Like I literally have no clue who is streaming right now. Maybe there's a way to check, but there's no 'streaming' section or whatever which keeps me, someone who mostly watches videos on youtube and not streams, from becoming a viewer on youtube streams. I think there are MANY people like me. If they promoted the streams and kind of synthesized the video-side and livestream-side of youtube, they would attract a BIG portion of people who currently just watch youtube for videos and not for livestreams
@DatBoiGloomy 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq da goat rn. If you have an established channels that get views i think youtube or multi streaming is the best option. Charlie, sypher pk, ninja all have alot of viewers on yt cus they already have large channels
@xavierdelaney9635 6 ай бұрын
I don't understand why Twitch would be making big signings. They're the most mature of the streaming services. They don't have much to gain from trying to keep talent. They already dominate the market share, especially since it is the place to develop as a streamer over the other sites. With their budget being so tight, as much backlash as they may receive, they don't have value to gain from spending more money or appeasing streamers with prime. I understand there may be a bit of a migration, but I still think Twitch will dominate the share, and their financials will probably improve by year end due to cut cost, which the end goal as a mature industry player is to balance the financials. I personally prefer youtube, and never have used Twitch, but I think from a business perspective what Twitch is doing is the right decision. However this does depend on how their market competitors respond, especially if youtube or someone magically decides to upheave their service and make it friendlier to use.
@callumanon3917 6 ай бұрын
It's clear that just like esports, VC and investors that saw the massive rise through covid, live streaming platforms also saw a massive growth throughout covid and all of the heads at the top of it thought the way to captialise on it was aggressive growth and throwing money at it. Now, everyone is back outside and not trapped watching live streams all day and all these companies have to cut down in size. It's sad for the people that lost their jobs. But it was also really easy to estimate happening.
@AutisticWombot 6 ай бұрын
It's so true bruh, i watch sports and realise that a lot of the players are younger than me
@vincentflannigan2727 6 ай бұрын
If KZfaq had a good chat it would be a wrap for me
@markmortimer3009 6 ай бұрын
Yup streamers are on their own to generate their revenue rather than rely on contracts
@cookieeater7656 6 ай бұрын
She can stay on Twitch we don't need her on yt💀
@boloid_ 6 ай бұрын
I have a pretty niche observation: 9:50 PUBG is bigger in Korea than anywhere else. If all Korean streamers move from Twitch, i wonder what this means for the rest of the PUBG category? Because the thing is, it looks like even Korean viewers won't be able to log in to their accounts anymore, so genuinely a bunch of viewers are going to disappear from this category. It's a weird situation where streamers who play the same game but in a different language probably don't know what to expect. I guess it depends on how much overlap there is between your language and Korean? English speaking streamers might see a dip in numbers, but Spanish speaking streamers not so much. Which then begs the question, is this good news for the Spanish-speaking PUBG streamers, since their english-speaking competition will get nerfed a little bit by the abscence of Korean viewers?
@narwhalguy3829 6 ай бұрын
thats sooooo true, its gonna completely shape the category and whos at the top of it
@flowmastak1 6 ай бұрын
I can't believe they ever even did deals like that to begin with.
@Isaac_Essa 6 ай бұрын
Something I don’t see enough people talk about is KZfaq premium - I’m WAY more inclined to throw on a KZfaq stream than a twitch one, since I won’t have any ads at all.
@Isaac_Essa 6 ай бұрын
@@yuzuri4049 if you can get people on a family plan, it’s WAY cheaper, I pay like $4 a month
@CatManGames 6 ай бұрын
@@yuzuri4049 a handful being 100 million people
@CatManGames 6 ай бұрын
@@yuzuri4049 you can't get KZfaq music without paying for KZfaq premium.
@aiocafea 6 ай бұрын
i have premium, but i admit i am cringe, and i have an iphone, so no adblock on my phone i spend way too much time here on multiple screens to not use premium
@jeanc4109 6 ай бұрын
@@yuzuri4049 how are you so worked up over people not wanting to watch ads. if you cant afford $14 a month thats on you
@danieluzumaki14 6 ай бұрын
that starting segment about age made me realize how old i am and how fast the world moves, and now i have anxiety
@TheOnlyIncognito 6 ай бұрын
Respectfully your “research” shows how very little you know. Very painful watch
@zeroics 6 ай бұрын
Poki: "Listen guys... It's you... It's not me..."
@SUNG0DRA 6 ай бұрын
It unironically is like that for most of the shit that gets thrown her way though lmao
@stuntmonkey00 6 ай бұрын
@@SUNG0DRA Lol, Poki haters are always so eager to out themselves as incels.
@themostfowl 6 ай бұрын
Eh I just avoid her content. Shes got a very crafted persona and its not for me.@@stuntmonkey00
@robustanybody5138 6 ай бұрын
And poki lovers always calling anyone who doesn't like her incels Just like how she called anyone who can't afford her bs cookies broke @@stuntmonkey00
@greenbean4422 6 ай бұрын
@stuntmonkey00 ??? You guys are both twisted lmao Twitch just didn't want to pay her the bag and she's trying to make it look like something more than that They just fired what, 600 employees? Like someone's comment in here said: if they just sign poki to a big deal the week after cutting staff, she's going to have people with pitchforks showing up to her doorstep lmao This had very little to do with twitch as a company, but you can say whatever you want, and she took the opportunity to make a statement rather than say "they didn't want to pay me" It was a clever move, but nothing more than a clever move
@mattbas-vi7750 6 ай бұрын
"We all get through together" Damn that was a close one, almost expected Lud to start singing Imagine
@Luluthecat-22 6 ай бұрын
They were fine before her! They will be fine after her. There are thousands of streamer out there
@shinvelcro 6 ай бұрын
For live streaming of games I go to twitch. As much as I spend more time on youtube, its bloody dreadful for finding live stuff if you are not already following, or you have more then 7 people live.
@Footfetish42069 6 ай бұрын
Don’t let her lie to you it’s about $$$$
@gairiquemero 6 ай бұрын
I think youtube as platform is far better, even if is just for the fact of treat it like a video (pause, rewind, etc). Is a shame the chat is much worse than twitch chat
@Deluxery 6 ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me the how the Prime rates make sense? Like I understand why Primes paid in Lyra are so low, but both the Euro and Pound are a little more valuable than the USD. These are all stable coins but the USD payout for American Primes is so much higher.
@AnotherSkyTV 3 ай бұрын
Americans being racist to the rest of the world and thinking they're better than europeans (it's literally that)
@muhammedpk1612 6 ай бұрын
She is Sniper wolf lite.
@filipgasic2642 6 ай бұрын
Damn... I thought she quit forever... one can only hope
@bilboswaggings 6 ай бұрын
I honestly find it insane they are hurting small streamers in order to give the rich ones more money... only something like 0.01% can sustain themselves with streaming to begin with Quick math: Around 40% of viewership is from NA or Australia the only places with prime subs not changing The rest (Even Europe minus UK at $1.80) are going down by 40% or more Based on 6.9million tracked subs 25% are primes So depending on where your viewership is from you might lose over 10% of your twitch income Big streamers are often NA and stream for NA hours so they are affected less You need around 50-200 average monthly views to make a living Now if your viewership is from areas affected by this change you might need double (streamers location doesn't matter, as it's based on the prime buyer) so streamers are even more likely to stream at North American times
@rydenkaye9735 6 ай бұрын
if you find that insane you must not know much about the real world yet haha
@dongordon2754 6 ай бұрын
They're not, that's just by proxy of them giving the streamers who actually earn them money the best deals. Streaming is just an extremely competitive business from every angle. The prime sub thing sucks but the way they were doing it was just financially dumb and could never have been sustainable.
@bilboswaggings 6 ай бұрын
@@dongordon2754 Even if it's just by proxy it's still happening Only around 40% of viewership is from USA, Canada and Australia the unaffected countries Other countries even the whole of Europe (minus UK at $1.80) is down by 40% up to over 90% With around 6.9million tracked subs 25% are prime (7% new and 18% resubs) This isn't even spread evenly as some streamers have more local viewership, but still most streamers are losing close to 10% of their twitch income And streamers around 50-200 monthly average views barely make a living (even if they do merch, sponsors and or youtube) Now you might need 70-300 or even more depending on where your audience is from Where does that 10% loss go? Well the place where most of the subs go too which is in the pockets of the over 100k earning streamers who just got a nice increase in their cut to offset the new change (which doesn't affect many of them as much as the big streamers tend to be North American and have a bigger portion of their viewership from there)
@Kizime 6 ай бұрын
Hey Lud! One thing you forgot to mention with that Plus Program, is that it is now available to Partners AND Affiliates. There is also a 60/40 split that is MUCH easier to get (100 Plus Points). I do agree that the streamers that aren't able to make that (myself included) will be negatively affected by the fixed prime model, however making it this much easier to get a higher rev split should definitely help offset that bump.
@HerDelight222 6 ай бұрын
The ability to watch twitch on my phone as a pop out screen plus the user friendliness of the chat will always have it as my preference.
@PurePigment 6 ай бұрын
I prefer watching streams on KZfaq because I have KZfaq premium and you get zero ads on any streams while getting zero ads on videos as well. With twitch you have to pay per streamer if you want no ads.
@yunogasai3170 6 ай бұрын
You can get "Twitch Turbo" for £12 a month, but that's only really worth if you watch more than 2 streamers a month. I don't watch enough streamers to justify spending that much(it's not much, but yeah not paying it lel), so I just stick to watching people on YT streaming as I already pay for premium as well.
@GroundhogOZ 6 ай бұрын
You can pay for twitch turbo to go ad-free on all of twitch.
@Pertraytray 6 ай бұрын
I have youtube on my Tv, and i use it pretty frequently there. Whenever I'm eating i turned it on and I'm inclined to check out some streams. Usually whatever i do check out, I leave them on for background noise
@agoosecalledxaro6679 6 ай бұрын
A good point that I wanna bring up is that a lot of people watch KZfaq constantly. If I were to guess, many of these people are like me, and will watch streams from creators that they see a lot of videos on. I may have checked in to Twitch occasionally, but the majority of my time is on the Tube. This is where KZfaq is better than Twitch. I'm already here, and I wanna watch something while I eat lunch. I might as well watch a cool live stream. If there is no live stream, I just watch a video. Simple as that.
@kaloncpu57 6 ай бұрын
When I got sucked into the vtuber rabbit hole (2019/2020), and all the ones I watched exclusively streamed on KZfaq, I found myself having a way better time over here as a viewer. Any time I stream though (to single digit viewers, but it's rare and just for fun anyway), I do genuinely enjoy Twitch more from that side. If either platform figures out how to make both feel good, it would be huge.
@ubacow7109 6 ай бұрын
KZfaqrs are leaving youtube and twitch streamers moving into youtube. Maybe theres a great new dynamic
@TenaciousDealer 6 ай бұрын
I think it makes sense for Poki to leave as she'll make more but I wouldn't say Twitch is regressing, it's honestly been looking on the up since Dan took charge. Also personally i'm glad there's no huge deals for streamers from Twitch, it makes no sense considering the industry ails right now.
@ilbgentyl 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq just doesn’t feel good for watching streams unless they are someone you follow already.
@jakemalone9714 6 ай бұрын
I think it’s crazy you still like Poki
@iforgot383 6 ай бұрын
Thats the kind of person he is, he'll just call you a misogynist if you say you don't like pokimane.
@sofiapatrao2796 6 ай бұрын
I prefer to watch on KZfaq one of my hugeeee issues with Twitch is if you miss something you can’t rewind and I can on KZfaq if I miss anything 🤷🏼♀️
@damsaucy 6 ай бұрын
there is a big misconception among streamers that twitch is a better experience as a chatter. in my experience, it's not. youtube has rewind, it has way less ads, it has a much more usable mobile experience. twitch is really just better in terms of algorithms and finding streams as a viewer.
@wednesdeity 6 ай бұрын
Those things you listed aren't about being a chatter...
@yololoyo7379 6 ай бұрын
It's the chat cultures and memes, i still find Twitch chat is still way funnier than other platform. Also how the W/L community thing also started from Twitch
@soonnah9521 6 ай бұрын
The price tag on exclusive streaming deals was ridiculous anyway.
@Taran858 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq doesn't force you to watch ads every 10 minutes on vods of past live streams. Ads every 10min on 7+hr vods are so annoying and repetitive. Closed so many twitch streams soon as first ad comes on
@leod5179 6 ай бұрын
The prime change was tbf a long time coming, it's unsustainable to give more money than the thing actually costs. Said that this is really bad for creators from other countries especially in the global south so it really sucks, many people that stream from those countries and manage to make a living might probably be questioning live streaming altogether. Also this will create a larger competition for the English speaking market. It's more likely that new streamers will look more into building an English speaking community because it's just more valuable now. This might've been a response to the massive Spanish and Portuguese speaking communities. Really really unfortunate. Edit: the prime change doesn't mean twitch wants to kill prime, it means exactly the opposite. They recognize prime is a huge viewer incentive and people were probably only using prime without actually using standard subs, that's why the change happened. It only means they value prime a lot as a viewer attracting tool and this points to that not changing anytime soon.