I mean my guild couldn’t find 10 new people to do 20 man raiding. It’s honestly frustrating. My guild had like 7-8 consistent players on. We did the nightmare stuff, and the whispers and Doing dungeons. Was a blast that didn’t last. I wish we had more 5 man dungeon content. I think it’s the best casual gaming experience. Especially in classic.

Dude. I love your content! So glad you are part of the sod community.

I still like SoD for what it is, a fun alternate way to play wow. I agree with your points though. They really changed how the game plays from leveling and enjoying, to rushing and raid logging. I don't play retail because it is boring. I play Classic because it is fun to chill out and level another warrior through a different zone in a different build. But I quit the game with phase 3. I can't stand incursions, even though I did them, because of everything you stated. I refuse to go through the chore list of getting the same runes over and over and over on alts just so I can flesh my build out and sit in another incursion group. I really hope the last phase is better otherwise they completely squandered the potential this mode had.

10:55 it took away the possible development of an actual Classic+ imo. An overwhelming majority wants classic+ not a half-baked seasonal server

The biggest thing that killed SOD for me was the focus from actual discovery and enjoying the world to being a racetrack to level cap and raiding. The point where this was really driven home was the 100% XP buff to all characters mid Phase 2. I went from logging in daily working on my Hunter alt to just not caring. I don't know why raiding has become the focus of MMOs over the past 20 odd years, and it's a shame, personally. I really enjoy the leveling process (getting new gear, new abilities, access to new areas) and it's just become a speed bump.

I fuckin LOVED sod until phase 3, incursions and honestly the fucking parse culture is what fucked it for me now.

Love this video. It is refreshing to hear balanced criticism whilst acknowledging the good stuff. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

really good take, the only thing i would add to this is i wish blizzard would have a whole different team for cata classic. imo sod could and would be so much better if the devs just had more time to do the things they want to do for us.

I finally decided to play Cata prepatch. I am just raid logging I went hard at the start of the phase but don’t want to burn out just waiting for p4 now. I posted this at the start. Love the content keep it up

In all honesty, if they made alts easier to access SOD would be great. I raid at a high-level and the barrier to entry for a fresh toon is about 400-700g and 40-60 hours played if you are trying to get Bis. If they made rep and runes account wide after your first character it’d be way more populated

I'm having a great time in SoD. Sure, my guild had to merge with others twice to find people, and a potential 40 man raid may kill me, but 20 is a good size for now. The endgame feels fun, I just got done my PvP rank grind, close to maxing profession. I also play other games, so to your point of breaking if you're not having fun; I'm all about it. Try Empyrion, Xcom 2, Teamfight Tactics, or Fallout 4. Or you know, touch some grass. This is just me and to each their own, but if you're not having a good time, switch up the routine. Love the content, and I don't know if you're not wearing a hoodie or if you're a head on somebody else's body, but you're lookin great man. Keep up the good work!

I feel like 50 is so close to 60 that its just the level 60 waiting room, nobody cares for trying to get bis that will be replaced at this point. Thinks that cleaved off players: gatekeeping with logs for pugs, incursions, nuking GDKPs.

I also have 4 going on 6 lvl 50s as a casual gamer and i have 5 kids lol its extremely friendly and the exp buffs and the gold buffs are just the best I can play every thing without putting in too much time.

I love SoD and hope that it will lead to Classic+ in a similar manner to which Jagex re-released OSRS. I think a lot of the player base are overlooking the apparent purpose of SoD, a testing ground for a Classic+ of sorts, and are being too demanding. It’s a testing ground, not a full release. If players remain engaged (and continue to demand content) it is in Blizzard’s commercial interest to provide a Classic+, as proven by the player engagement of SoD.

Loved phase 3, but it’s gone too long. Hoping phase 4 comes out soon

Its easy to hate on SoD right now, because people are busy with the pre-patch and excited for Cata. But Cataclysm has its own issues and once the rush of Pre-Bis gearing is over there will be absolutely nothing to do outside of raid in Cataclysm. I have no doubt that alot of players will return for Phase 4.

When my guild was far more interested with parsing, high dps and getting through SK as fast possible, I was done. As you said. Games should be a fun and an escape from the outside world. Blizzard can bounce back if they wanted to. I don't think they care. The reason why I give that hate? Why have not they given us a video and whats to come for phase 4. (Even it is weeks away yet.)

The next phase is make or break. I'm sorry for all the sweaty monsters that want terribly difficult raids the SoD raids need to be able to be cleared by a group of pugs that are at the 50th percential of players. My guild struggled for the first few weeks of sunken temple and about half of us parce above the 75. Hopefully next phase they keep MC and a couple other raids easier with a couple new mechanics but still doable by casuals.

Seems to be doing well on both EU pvp servers. Been levelling a horde warrior and alliance pala to 50 lots of players running dungeons

Blizzard could let the team go full on imagine this or what if this. Each leveling experience would be different. Say we get something like Classicified Gilneas or a Battleground version of Gilneas. With a rep. It would be so cool, add in a new dungeon.

When are we getting the catahammer arc

Really wanted to like sod as it seemed nice and laid back compared to mythic raiding. Only to be met with people who treat this like its world first mythic raiding

SoD was fun for a while but it has big problems. I'm hyped for MoP remix, Cata classic, and War Within.

Agree with this bro, great video killed it.

I agree with the raid logging. Every content in easy farm, you are forced to min-max or people in the raid gets pissed at you. Definitely not for the casual player who just want to raid with friends.

the focus on parses turned me off

I am having a blast with just a single character. I still have stuff to do after doing the following: Thorium Brotherhood honored, Timbermaw honored, Argent Dawn revered, collecting all the enchant recipes, collecting all the alchemy recipes, faming epic dagger from Mara. Things still left to do: WSG exalted, AB Exalted. So much to do that we can do this phase that we wont need to spend time doing in phase 4.

The game was fun for the first two phases, I just got completely burnt out from raid logging and having to gather new runes for every phase. SoD is dead but only for me personally I can't speak for anyone else.

As a classic player and private server player for the last 20 years I FRICKEN LOVE sod. I can't wait for the next phases this has been the most fun I've had in wow in a while. Last one being when classic 2019. The new stuff and cata looks poop.

Blizzard is intentionally pushing Cata and the war within atm. Not releasing any news about SoD is 100% to give more room for the other versions releases. I cope and hope that phase 4 will be good. And think it will be a good time to start to balance things out for real. Plenty of dungeons and raids at 60 too. Loads of gear that I hope they will revamp a bit to make it interesting and fun to build up some pre-bis gear

I mean I have the sentiment as you, I’m enjoying SOD but let’s not pretend. My guild is dead my friends list is dead, I’m excited for P4 and can’t wait but I’ve had a few friends mail me hundreds of gold and say they aren’t interested in P4 already

man I hope that p4 will be rly nice...

Raid logging too atm everything will hinge on phase 4. If they screw up pre raid farming i might actually try cata. Also have a love hate relationship with incursions... love that i can use them to easily farm gold for consumes but hate everything else about them. Feel like if they just upped gold more for quest rewards that would be better. Dont want to spend hours farming gold for a seasonal character.

SoD is on the backburner for me. Everquest in 9 days until SoD phase 4. Everquest 1 is currently more interesting to play then wow. Imagine that.

25-40 was fun? 😂 Spamming stockades and than SM

I am in 2 horde and 1 ally guilds. All 3 guilds were very active, but in the last 3 weeks, everyone is gone. I am often the only player on or just a couple of us on. Used to be 20 to 30 of us every evening.. not any more. See if they show up again in phase 4

What made me sad was the gatekeeping. So I parsed 90th. Not amazing but good enough: my buddy is older, left over from original vanilla, and really only parses green. Couldn’t find a guild or group to run with because of that. The game is not hard and people gate keep more than Mythic+. Just makes me sad how toxic some of the playerbase has become. I’m not gone but I certainly have a bad taste in my mouth.

i agree with everything you said. looking forward to content from you, whatever you do king.

Lol my name is johny. I did not farm gold in the 2 hours a day I get to play. I also got a 2 week ban for buying gold 😂

I dont want there to be more raidified dungeons. I want new zones. New stuff to make me want to create more characters. New dungeons (5 person). The problem is SoD team isn't listening to the feedback.

I miss the phase1 feeling 😢

I worry if P4 is just MC and Ony it will just be a bummer. SoD was meant to have us experiencing new things. We need to see Kara Crypts or SM raid soon.

Blizzard dropped the ball on SOD and it’s a shame. No news, no updates, no communication. Just threw it aside.

Good job Hammer

People were doing dungeons to level fast even in wow classic 2019, everyone wants get ahead, so it's not a SoD problem, I hope we get some 10 man raids and work more on pvp balance

A 55 raid might be fun

Im saddened but also glad to know I didnt play SoD cuz I figured it would end up being shite anyways. sure i missed out a bit but it didnt seem to be for me

I'm still having fun, not as much as p1 but still playing everyday

I'm tired of SOD. I've met some awesome people as a result of it, but having been stuck on Lava Lash where the raid environment sucked now moving to Wild Growth, we feel we are behind the curve because we're only 7/8 as of last week. There's not enough content to play on a daily basis, so all I do is log in my one day for raid. This is just filler until Cata and FFXIV: Dawntrail.

By the numbers it's rapidly dying, which is hard to see/swallow.

I’m still having fun ☺️

Definitely not burn out for me. I’m tired of Blizzard making mistakes and not compensating anyone affected by it. I remember my friends being pissed when they spent gold on their mount and then blizzard cut the cost of it. Like so everyone who busted their ass for gold and bought a mount should just fuck themselves? Then obviously the incursions you spoke on but I disagree with you when you said it’s not the biggest problem. I think it’s a huge problem that people made 1000s of gold, inflated the economy and then nerfed it so no one else could come close to making that much gold

Had such high hopes for p3. I rly did. My guild merged 3 times and still could not build a stable raiding roster. On top of that I absolutely hated the "pvp" events. STV more than ashen tho. Class balance somehow feels worse than 2019 classic in open world. All these factors led me and all my friends to stop playing. My only hope of getting back into the game is a fresh classic server with some actually counter measures to boosting and stuff like that. So I don't have high hopes to say the least.

I think that no matter what people will find something to be unhappy about, I love sod , ya it gets stale but so does every version of wow , like literally this happens no matter what , start an alt enjoy some world PVP its not meant to play everyday for 5hours

I quit because the game feels more like a multi level marketing scam than a Video Game. On top of there being 0 passion for said game. They fired their QA team and is now forcing the players to QA for free. "New" content, Which is just remixed existing content, Is released in a state that takes a month to be even remotely playable yet they charge a service for it. We are past Copium, its full on Stockholm syndrome now.

I quit after phase 2. Because well..I wanted to main a rogue. And rogues were UNPLAYABLE in p2. Can't have people's favorite classes be so bad they can't get into raids.

Honestly, they should remove world buffs from the game and just buff specs to the appropriate power level.

SoD has been fun and i parked it until phase 4 for Cata prepatch ans season 4 of retail. I'm the type of wower who bounces between versions of wow that i get hooked on at that time. None of them are perfect or only woeth sownding my time on, i just love to wow without disliking what im gaming with.

I had 3 25s i raided with 2 40s and i have a lvl 50 i don't raid with because server is dead and can't get into a decent raid

15:55 if there's an overwhelming amount of hate for sod now, then maybe the season has gotten "bad". But I do agree to a small extent, as in I'm waiting to see if they can turn it around in phase 4. If not, good try blizz and I'll re-sub if you try an actual Classic+

Nightmare incursions should have been a weekly event.

Sod is a complete disaster in pvp. PvP events are just chaos nonsense battles with zero ability involved. Classes has not been tested enough and are unbalanced so BG,s are also nonsense events. This said, i like and still play the game.

Hearing about people complain about not being able to raid/find people to be able to raid is kinda annoying. There’s so many people talking about “nobody is making groups that will let ME IN because I don’t have good logs!” Just make a raid group. Recruit, schedule, post in lfg. Oh wait, you don’t want to waste your time doing all that? You’re gonna raise your standards so you can increase your chances of not wasting your time? Funny how that all works out. HOWEVER if the raids are piss easy, like BFD. Composition/logs don’t matter for clearing, leveling alts in the “level up raids” is dummy easy and gives you a high value path for leveling them (a couple hours a level if you just raid log on an alt), and allll those people who seem to have had their guilds broken trying to find 10 more VERY SPECIFIC people/roles could make the raids happen. The raids need to be easy, or any opportunity for gatekeeping can and will be used. 40 mans only ever really had like 30 people actually doing anything in the pugs when classic era was current. Hard 10/20 mans means everyone needs to pull their weight, and the fuck ups are felt even from a single dps. That mf is like 8% of your total raid damage if he’s sleeping.

When SoD was originally announced I expected that P3 will be the most lackluster phase because players have lost momentum and enthusiasm since P1 and many of them are waiting for P4, the "real end game content". It seems for many of you this scenario turned into reality. However, I still enjoy P3 more than P2. P2 sucked, even though I had the relative best PvE performance as a caster.

Any "meta" for leveling is going to make your eyes bleed imo. Just enjoy your time, and if you're not, maybe it's not the game for you anymore. Incursions being the exception of course, but those were launched completely busted

I lost interest in SoD after I took a look at the loot tables and realized they are only providing good items for certain classes/builds, I don't care if blizzard didn't have enough time.

If you have a really good guild and is fun to play with its a blast but I think the solo player pugging is not haveing a good time. It's a social game so idk how to make them happy.

SoD is 100% dead right now, and only will come back when new phases are released. SoD has a lot of FACTION balancing to do and not just class balancing.

P3 killed it for me, it feels no longer like classic or spirit of classic how blizz said it would be.

"Playes will always do the fastest way to max level" to "yeah farming SM repetitively..." "How dare they make a super fast way to 50!!!" They could fix a lot of things and PTR things. WO and Nightmare Inc being nerfed is good. But the hate for it is exasperated by youtubers and streamers being like "How dare they not make SOD not classic!!! My Mut Rogue and Frost firebolt mafe are upset!!" Lol

Want next season to be retail minus with procedurally generated dungeons or something. So tired of all the old systems that dont need to exist but still want the classic world, classic style, and imbalanced pvp dynamic.

nightmare incursion ruined the open world ,no one to quest with, and wild offerings ruined dungeon leveling, zf sorry not itemlvl... and 50 you can't join, same for mara, p3 was a real disapointment for me

Wow classic was always a grind they just give pvp gear almost better then raid gear and all you got to do is incursions ppl dont want to earn it they cry and get it given

I quit in phase 3 wont be returning to wow ever again likely. I just decided to give wow a try again and the player base are too degenerate for my liking.

My EU server is buzzing. Everyone seems to be really enjoying it. Our guild have already said we won't be doing 40man content though. Hoping for more 5-10 man stuff in future.

Don’t take a break from SoD. Quit playing that bull shit. They are turning it into retail. Enjoy the hamster wheel boys.

phase 3 is the worst shit I've ever experienced

Saw the writing on the wall in the first few days of phase 3. Quit SoD and uninstalled battle net and all games. Done with blizzard forever. Good luck to you all getting milked

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games too boring right now. not enough things to do that are fresh. how many of our alts are exhalted with wsg already, how many have everything from bloodmoon on multiple characters. maxed professions on multiple characters. raid gear for multiple characters. you raid 1-2 nights a week depending on how many alts you raid on. the raid takes 40-60 minutes tops on each character but then the 5-6 days you dont raid its the exact same game as we have had for the past 5 years. my fear is that lvl 60 is going to be the exact same thing. one night a week we get a nice new raid but then the other 6 days of the week its the same thing as 2019 classic. if thats the case then why even keep playing

sods been dead since mid p2. just hoping for a new vanilla fresh or a new mmo.

Can u share your nameplates 😊

PvP in sod is maybe the worst I’ve ever played. Cata feels much better

It’s dying and dying fast.

SOD is so 2023

Do people just assume they should be able to pug every raid and be successful every week? I also don't feel like anyone was forced to grind 10 levels in SM in phase 2.

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Not a fan of this video. The contents: I still like sod, you guys are being too hateful, I hope phase 4 doesn't suck, end video. Nothing really worth digesting here. Cool, glad you still enjoy sod my entire guild has quit because of the train wreck that phase 3 is. We the players are allowed to critique and comment on how the devs and blizzard have wrecked what could have been something great. It was wrecked because blizzard is a corporation who only cares about profits and they rushed out phase 3 to help their quarterly earnings but all it did was drive people away because it was so half baked.

season of stealing ideas from cata but doing it worse

The game is a lame nostalgia roller coastsr honestly. They failed again 😂

Sod went belly up sadly.

Game sucks, dying not dead yet. Give it a few weeks into last phase.

Wishlist for SOD - Easier raids - 10-man only, for all raids - Increased amout of loot from bosses. - Faster Phases (6-8 weeks maximum.) - Increase EXP gains from all sources 500% - runes from older phases buyable from the new Commerce reputation vendor. SOD Saved.

I hate listening to people complain about doing something completely optional like spamming SM or incursions. What a joke

Dying ? its pretty much dead, server merges, low pop everywhere. the game is shit and its a cash grab beta from the start. Literally copied everything from ascension wow and people turn a blind eye. lol

I quit in phase 3 it just got boaring pvp sucks pve is raid logging when a shaman can one shot you with lava burst 2700 non crit pvp keeps the game alive the pvp event does not give honor for kills its not fun token system sucks also when you grind out wsg rep phase one feels like for nothing sense they fast track others to exalted feels like you earned nothing and iust should of waited and cryed about it like others did

All I see on social media and youtube comment sections are casuals crying. People that want to pug every raid play the game solo i got news for you. This game wasnt meant for you. Its an mmorpg find a single player game to play. We dont want to carry you or your green or gray parses. Bye