Well I have a degree in biblical studies and I've never seen any scripture which condemns pre-marital sex. So can I ask what you think I'm missing.

@@Grokford Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'. I've some questions for you; Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16? Do you have a relationship with Jesus? I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it.

@@goodviewfromuphere120 "Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'." I don't need you to be, but I generally prefer to avoid the shock and awe of people saying that I've never read the Bible because I disagree with them. "I've some questions for you; Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16?" Well that's an unusual grouping, but I believe so. Although I'm not sure of the relevance. "Do you have a relationship with Jesus?" Also a yes. "I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it." Well to be frank with you, I find it vaguely rude that you've chosen to respond to a question with some vague moral chastisement.

@goodviewfromuphere120 I hear what you're saying and agree with you with your original comment. There's lots of people who try and justify sin and such. Just keep remembering that one particular part of the Bible right in the beginning when Satan said "You will not surely die"...etc. Same deception, same tactics, just with new generations. Key phrase (part of a verse) is "do not be deceived." You can't go wrong with a higher standard.

@@DL_Burns That's an interesting point but I would say that it's strange to not consider the possibility that your perspective could have been brought about through deception. For centuries upon centuries Christians believed that slavery was ordained by God along with the inferiority of women. Not two hundred years ago major leaders of American Christianity believed that not only was sex risky but that all sex was immoral along with spices and sugar. From my perspective Purity culture is an extension of the same flawed tradition. And I think that it's especially insidious when cultural ideas of sexual purity become more important than the gospel.

Not spiritual or sexual advice but alot of religious people just speaking like parrots, I am 34 years of celibacy and i broke Jesus record so take it for what its worth, Ive come to the understanding that lusting is an unatural desire of wanting some thing that some one else has and not being contented with what you have , Jehovah commanded that a man go into a woman then make her his wife, in this modern world they do things in reverse the have a wedding then go into the woman, the bible clearly states the opposite hence the reason i am in this predicament. Ive come to the understanding that prostitution is fornication, the doctor told me i need to do a semen analysis, few days ago i did some STI screenings and i have never had sex in my life of barely if kiss some one, ive been that celibate not because i am scared of women rather of hellfire growing up and also catching diseases i dont eat or drink from people too. with that said so the doctor is causing me to sin my soul and go to help, they say i need prostate check but they must stick a finger up my behind but some how that is not sodomy.. explain me this.,.. its only okay for when a DOCTOR or and EXPERT with their white privilege to do things 😒 then its okay the nurse had to touch my penis and stick a swap up it why?? because the doctor ordered it????

Masturbation is the most common and simple solution, having sex is a more complex alternative. If you’re not willing to do either of those then maybe a hobby, exercise perhaps? The former Thai minister of health suggest that the youths play soccer to relieve their sexual frustration, but seeing as that idea has been mocked in every drama for the past decade I don’t think it worked very well.

Get married. But if you're single: Don't turn to masturbation, you'll stay single for a longer time because it takes your motivation away from meeting other women. But don't beat yourself up too much if you cave in once in a while either. Just get fit, go outside and date multiple women if you have to - there's nothing wrong with that until you start taking someone seriously and you're saving a lot of time. If you're still pent up at this point, take a part time job on top of your full time job. Having more money will make it so much easier to start a family down the road.

@@sexysputnik That is insane advice. Marriage is not something that you should be forcing yourself into, let alone for the stupid reason of unresolved horniness. If masturbating stops you from pursuing a relationship then you shouldn't be pursuing that relationship regardless.

@@Grokford Its not for everyone and may not be for you and that's fine. Take it or leave it. But it is for someone who wants to figure out what they want in a woman if they're not already taking their life and her seriously. You also have to ask yourself, if a young man is chronically masturbating then is him being single that good for him? Its not and it means that he's out of his masculine frame from being a husband and a father.

I have a question. Why do people still have sex? Sex is very gross, nasty, messy, and disgusting! I don't see how sex is a good thing. Why don't humans just remove sex from this world? Women can still get pregnant without sex (there's a lot of ways women can get pregnant without sex including artificial insemination). Sex does cause a lot of problems, so the world might be a much better place without it.

All the more reason to not pretend that sex isa sign of commitment or Love.

@@icysnow57cold64 People enjoy sex, if you don't that's fine. Asexuality is relatively common, but most people do like sex, at least a little bit.

GOD IS NOT SOME PEOPLE, IF YOU PRACTICE ANY KIND OF SEXUAL SIN INCLUDING SELF GRATIFICATION YOU WILL GO TO HELL.

What the what

There’s also a much higher risk of problems, whether that be marrying too soon(because young Christians are horny) marrying someone your incompatible with or just the general fact that if you spend so long avoiding and often fearing sex, that doesn’t just go away when the vows are done. To say nothing of toxic assumptions about sex or sexual roles, women who wait to have sex until they’re married often suffer much higher rates of vaginismus, which is attributed to them having sex out of obligation rather than genuine desire.

​@@GrokfordI hope Noone listens to your terrible ungodly advice. Your path is the path to he'll. Please get on the right path.

You are statistically wrong.

Grokford, if someone fears sex, then they probably don't need to get married. Probably not even date for that matter.

With respect, there is no such thing as a former Christian. You're simply saying you never were on in the first place.

@@josephpchajek2685 you're going to compare my love life to your old drug habit? You're a dummy for even comparing the two.

@@josephpchajek2685 That's not a good comparison. If someone is as sexually obsessed as you are then maybe sex is like heroin. But that's not how most people are.

@@rondrake77777 "Don't forget to confess the sin of premarital sex." Pre-marital sex is not a sin. "I had sex with my wife before our marital ceremony. I lost my virginity to her and am still married to her 8 years later" I understand that you regret this, but I don't see any inherent problem. "but I had to repent because all sex has to happen during the timeframe of marriage." No it doesn't. Who said that? Not the Bible. "Sex outside of marriage is one form of fornication. The other version of fornication is sex right before marriage." Well the word "fornication" is not used in modern Bible translations and for good reasons, the word has changed in meaning from when it was first used five _hundred_ years ago and it no longer matches what the actual text of the Bible said. Pre-marital sex is never prohibited in the Bible.

Still about 3% divorce probability

@@jemperdiller What's your point?

Unfortunately a lot of the information was wrong.

Biblically it is not wrong

@@klyetruman7285 said no bible ever

@John3.36 Prove it then, where is the scripture in the law of moses?? Show it or shut up. The laws of sex before marriage apply to virgin women and virgin women who are engaged to be married. Why? Because they are the property of their father. You clearly don't know the mosaic law. Get off of KZfaq and go study. I'll help you if you need it.

@@klyetruman7285 The Bible teaches that sex before marriage is immoral in a couple of different passages. One is 1 Corinthians 7:2, which says, “But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.” In this verse, marriage is presented as the “cure” for sexual immorality. Sexual union within marriage, which is commended, is set against immorality, which is to be avoided. Thus, any sex outside of marriage is considered immoral. This would have to include premarital sex. Another verse that presents sex before marriage as immoral is Hebrews 13:4, “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.” Here, we have both adultery and fornication contrasted with what happens in the marriage bed. Marriage (and sexual intercourse within marriage) is honorable; all other types of sexual activity are condemned as immoral and bring God’s judgment.

if they cannot contain maybe they should get a therapist?? rather than throwing themselves into marriage. If they can't handle abstaining from physical pleasures, it sounds like they need to work on the strength of their hearts first. Entering the marriage with strength and fortitude for life's different challenges. Marriage isn't all about sex.

@@lalaishappyyy it's just a Bible verse. Not an opinion or comment.

@@goobertgoobert Isn't it amazing that your comment (verse) was able to expose other people's ignorance of the Bible and their ability to quote worldly ways so easily.

You got here because God is showing you the error of your ways. He loves you and wants the best for you. His way is the best way.

@@crazymountain777 I think when it comes to premarital sex its a bit too late, I'm married already. I do "sin" in some different areas, but for some reason that's not where god brought me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rebels who is trying to be "bad". I live according to my conscience, try to do good when I can. Not here to look for religious people to argue with either, to each their own. I'm just wondering why did KZfaq algorithm suggested this video for me.

@@crazymountain777 The idea that pre-marital sex is a sin is more of a cultural idea that an idea inherent to the Bible or the Christian faith. And there are so problems that come along with that. So while in theory I have no problem with someone getting married with no sexual experience, practically I really doubt that most people are doing so in a way that’s responsible or accounts for potential problems. Many young Christians do get married just for the social acceptability of the sex they’d like to be having anyways.

Simple,you're an atheist and won't understand.

The passage was never meant to demonize normal sexual desire, shaming that is a barbaric and unhealthy practice.

The Bible never actually condemns fornication

​@@GrokfordTbh this is the toughest thing though to wrap my head around because of the explanation of "fornication" being

@@apollobassguitar Well the short answer is that "fornication" is a mistranslation, the longer answer is that the translation was correct but English literally changed around it until it was wrong.

That's my issue. Really whom you could trust to tell you in the first place.

Oh we arent married because of the legal nonsense. We should be allowed to be together without it being a sin when Christians get married, have sex and divorced in less time than me and her have had our family dog.

A Christians model is the Bible, not what has worked for you and your girlfriend.

@@UmamiPapi The Bible doesn't necessitate marriage for sex though, that's a modern cultural notion. And he raises a valid point. Government documentation is extraneous, it can't be the thing that makes sex morally valid. So why should we condemn a committed long-term relationship and praise teenager marrying eachother?

So you want something that's already tried on by many others before you... You want a second hand vehicle 🚜? 😅

Okay... if you want to go that route, tell me... when you bought your car, did you Test Drive it First? Or did you Pay for it first?

@@MatthewFordVictoria you know what I'm talking about 😅

My shoes aren't full of dried semen and deep emotional baggage.

Good! Glad to hear you've been using protection! LOL

That's the beauty of the Bible. There is enough vagueness to allow multiple ideas to potentially be true.

@@mattr.1887 I feel the sarcasm but it's valid. This is why so many different religions popped up. This is why I do not understand why some state that the bible is inerrant.

Wrong. The word sexual immorality in the Greek is covering all “sexual” sins outside the “marriage” bed. It’s not up for interpretation. Do your research and do your due diligence as scripture teaches you. This is why so many people are compromising things in the Bible because they lack understanding like you just proved. Sex outside of marriage is wrong period. But there is forgiveness but you have to recognize it.

That's actually bs. The Bible is quite straightforward about sexual immorality and defines it pretty clear: homosexuality (whether gay or lesbian), premarital sex, willful negation of procreation are morally wrong, ie. sinful. It's quite clear and if someone is defending different notions, they're either full of shit and/or uneducated. For example: why was Joseph so troubled with accepting Mary and the Scriptures spin the tale of dream and angel messengers (buttery butter as "angel" by itself means "messenger")? Because being pregnant before marriage was clear sign of premarital sex and it was big no-no in Israelite culture. Old Testament is clear about the fact that man laying with man (ie. having sex) is so bad that they're both basically dead already. St. Paul mocked Roman pagans by stating God gave them to their shameful lusts and women were drawn to women in unnatural way, men to men (Romans 1:26-27). And yes, there are people who try to play with the words and say that Paul used Greek word ἄρσενες in the meaning of "boys", not "men" - ie. Paul is condemning boy-man relations known in Greek culture - or that it have nothing to do with homosexuality at all but cult of Cybele (mother of gods and protectress of Rome), but it's all really sloppy scholarship as OT and NT as a whole are pretty consistent in absolute condemnation of any homosexual acts.

That's not entirely true, man did not define all of it. It specifically lists adultery and fornication as sins, as well as homosexuality and any form of lust. I don't know what version you're reading, but it's there, even if not spelled out to your liking. The Bible is inerrant, and the issue with people who think otherwise is that they're not informed enough to understand the consistency, and sometimes they're just looking for excuses to live the way they want even without realizing it. Sin is black and white, not grey, and it's our responsibility to apply the seemingly "vague" principles of the Bible to the different areas of our life. I don't know what you mean, there's only one religion that adheres to the Christian Bible which is Christianity. Muslims may worship the same god, but based on the claims of a man who came much later and the Koran. Maybe you're referring to different denominations of Christianity, in which case you're right that there are different interpretations of certain things, like baptism for example. There are certain grey areas of the Bible that Christians can agree to disagree over because they aren't as serious, but sin is not one of them. Sexual sin is laid out clearly enough for those willing to listen.

"If everyone would follow this law of confining sexual expression to marriage" That's not a law, the Bible never says that. "it's undeniable that there would be a lot less problems in society" I beg to differ. "i.e. unwanted pregnancy, STDs, broken trust, etc." I'll grant that there would be fewer STDs but that's about it. I dont think marriage makes inherently makes a pregnancy more wanted. And I really don't think that having sex or not having sex is going to make a major impact on how often people break trust, at least not directly. "But above that, my belief is that those who wait until marriage are blessed with a heightened ability to feel the Spirit, and that's where the deeper blessings come from." Sounds like hokum, not gonna lie. That's so vague I really don't think that you could prove that even if it were true.

True. Just like a lot of other sins, it's hard for we - as sinful humans - to resist, which is the whole reason why Jesus died on the cross so that we could be made righteous through his blood.

So you are not a Christian

Yes,the aftermath is destructive and takes a lot of victims .Only they don't know it initially...untill you discover why nothing goes as you plan

@@HansRichter-lh9gt wat do u both regret?? like wat happened for y'all to regret?

@petermulinzi1288 that we committed a serious sin ,immoral sexual sin for the sake of pleasure and lust.Becoming one in body and soul.Something sacred and preserved for after marriage live,between and man and a woman. Promiscuous lifestyle or various sexual engagements mean you unleash all your previous partners' demons onto the one you're having sex with. It's a sin,immoral, and wrong.How much your ever and justify it,you'll suffer the consequences. Sooner or later. You won't walk free until you repent,refrain yourself from doing it, and receive forgiveness.

@@HansRichter-lh9gt wat consequences did u face in ur case? that’s wat i’m trying to know

@petermulinzi1288 sorry,fair enough.Guilt ,becoming more aware as one grow older,grow spiritual realizing what despicable sin you've committed in the eyes of the Lord.Apart from becoming one in soul and flesh with the other party,also,opening up to all the demons and bad spirits of all the previous sex partners that person had. Losing perspective on and of something that is meant to be sacred. Future trust issues Often thinking about the fact that your partner was not the first ,even who knows how many before,to share something sacred reserved for someone special. Out of love,not just. After many years of married life with a loving wive,l often tend to think about .Foolishly as it may seem. Personal emotions l experience, or,maybe not.Once one realizes how sacred and magic this deed actually means.

@may !! I don’t see it as a sin i see it as a habit that should not grow more then it is

@may !! oh thank you for that and thank you for being level headed about it to just people would bash me mate,lol.God bless!!

@may !! what scripture says that

It’s not a sin, they made that up.

Have you ever masterbaited without lusting?

Paul - are you saying that none of the things that Moses stated were laws? I am just trying to be sure that I understand what you are saying, I don't want to misrepresent you.

@@honestplus1756 the ancient world knew nothing of LAWS as in legislation. What we call "law" or more correctly "Torah" are instructions and wisdom for the people of God in the covenant. So you don't need a specific command to know that sex is meant for marriage, wisdom teaches that. Wisdom brings order The Old Testament scholar John Walton has a number of videos on KZfaq explaining what Torah was.

@@Liminalplace1 Would you like to join me on zoom to discuss, if you have time? I would be honored.

@MujahidOfTheRedwoods that was because it disrupted social order and the letter of the punishment wasn't always carried out...eg. King David's adultery and murder . Moses didn't create a legislation but legal saying to give wisdom example to administrators ..it was not intended as LAW.

@@honestplus1756 in our modern times we equate "laws" with legislation but I'm saying the idea of legislation wasn't not how they thought during Moses time. Moses writings uses the Hebrew word "Torah"'which means instruction in wisdom... And it illustrates that with examples. I hope that explains what I mean. Most of the so-called laws of Moses begin with the phrase "If a man" .. if a man finds an indecency in his wife and he gives her a certificate of divorce and sends her from his house..." They are examples of how to think..not legislation. Many Hebrew scholars recognize this from comparison with other ancient"law codes"

"You focus on the wrong word. It's not sexual immorality that makes your case against premarital sex, but sexual greed. Greed is a much more solid notion than immorality" That's very true, but it's also not what the text said. Sure Greed could cross over into sexuality, but that is just one type of sexual immorality among many. "Then you have the third buzzword, impurity, which is a solid 10/10 unmistakable definition of whether you have done it or not." Not necessarily, it's definitely a meaningless buzzword. But sometimes people can lose their "purity" just from extended time in the presence of the opposite sex. It's an amorphous turn meant to be used to enforce whatever arbitrary biases of the speaker. "Of course, all of this means little to nothing as linguistic nuance gets utterly lost in translation. So if you really want to follow the word of God, you better start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, because ANY translation will be an interpretation of the translator, who without cultural competence (where cultural context can shift in as short as a few decades) can not have the innate understanding of the true meaning behind the words, the connotative meaning of the phrases... yo u know what? I'll just stop here instead of giving you a linguistics course." Very true, but I'd also argue that there are many steps that people can take to improve accuracy of interpretation without learning several ancient languages.. It can be as simple as learning the parts of speech or as complicated as learning how translation works in an entirely separate language.. My studies in anthropology and linguistics certainly have helped me, but I've also spent a lot of time as an interpreter for unrelated languages and that's probably the biggest help to me when it comes to interpreting adjusting for difference in language. "Words can carry additional meaning beyond their straight translation. And no amount of paralel texts will teach you the zeitgeist of a culture to capture the nuance of every single word." Amen man, preachin' to the choir.

It can be Either One in a Married Couple! If one of them sneaks away to have Sex with someone else, that's adultery! For example... having sex with a fellow employee, before going home to their husband or wife.

Wow. thanks for this information. I have been in the church for 43 years and never heard of this until you wrote it.

And he is hailed as a hero of the faith! Yet two Christian kids from Nebraska get a little carried away one night before the wedding, and suddenly THAT'S a big problem..

Solomon was Jewish though.

@@ashekshanto8537 And that means having 700 wives is okay?

@@2267victor Multiple wives is totally allowed in Judaism, regardless of modern Rabbi opinions. We cannot judge Solomon by modern Christian laws which itself is confused about many things.

@@ashekshanto8537 Thou shall not commit adultery? That was old testament. I am far from an expert personally I believe that Jesus was not talking about the God of the Jews I think the story of Jesus was later combined with Judaism to create Christianity.

Read the Bible. Fornication is a sin.

then the theory god loves all is wrong, because god is prejudice against the unmarried. there are many strange things in the bible, and it was written when languages were evolving, translation was relatively new, etc... if you want me, and many others i assume, to believe unmarried people having consensual sex is a sin, someone needs to explain why. no just "read the bible." or, not just admit but truly understand, god is an evil psycho that plays favorites@@DrDoerk

@@DrDoerk I know that, its just absurd that it is a sin and it just makes God look more like a dictator then a just and righteous God that's what i don't like about it, With all the evil in the world it is ridiculous to me that he finds fornication a sin between two consenting adults,

@@JOHNNY92832 I would read the parable about the Potterer and the clay (I'm pretty sure that's what is called...it's something close to that). You are right, to our human pea sized minds it doesn't make since.... but don't you think that an all knowing and all loving God knows more than us? That's just something I recommend you ponder. We are just vases that God hand molded, who are we to tell God what is right and what is wrong?

Yes, but then the Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex.

exactly the thing is when you have sex with some one you need to stick with them and stand with them especially if the person gets pregnant because the orphan children is a plague to society thats why a marriage certificate and witnesses is to force accountability your word is your bond@@Grokford

@@AviatorDark Sex and commitment are entirely different things. We only set people up for failure when we tell them otherwise. Sex doesn't even morally obligate commitment. Obviously people are responsible for their children, but that has nothing to do with a marriage relationship. Marriage is a socio-legal contract that is primarily meant to protect the members of the couple. In periods where parental obligations were not recognized yes it also included protections for children but largely the two are unrelated.

@@Grokford it prohibits fornication so what do you base that statement on

@@Fatelvis2 Not quite, fornication did not imply pre-marital sex when it was first used in translation five centuries ago, that connotation grew out of cultural biases, which are closely linked to the loss of inheritance rights for bastards in Britain. The original Greek and Hebrew never made any mention of pre-marital sex. The addition of pre-marital sex to the understanding of the term "fornication" was quirk of socio-linguistic history. "Fornication" has not been used in new English translations of the Bible for the better part of a century. Instead translations tend to favor the more general "sexual immorality" which is closer to the original meaning of the text.

Unfortunately a lot of the information was wrong.

No. That's the reason why Jesus died on the cross; to make us righteous through his blood and get saved. We are born sinners and are incapable of keeping every single commandment. If you repent, understand and accept that you're unable to save yourself and the only way to be saved is through Jesus, you will be saved.

The Bible never says that though, in fact Levitical Law specifically mentioned them separately.

Intent of marriage is immaterial.

What have you said as a self proclaimed pastor except judging her and fingering here... You should be ashamed of yourself to bear that title.... Instead of you adding what she missed you're attacking which is completely no scripture reference of note

I very much like your videos Mr. Dowell, and I agree, she should sit and be quiet. But I didn't really see the flaw in her statements, she seems to be saying that sex outside of marriage is a sin; is it not? I'm curious which part of her position you disagree with?

She made her point and quoted scripture. Whats your point? She said that it is indeed a sin and proved it with bible verses

@@arthursimango500 ​​⁠ Scripture doesn’t have a lot of relevant commentary on specific KZfaq Videos or modern Christian politics. She’s making things up, that’s simply the reality.

@@user-uk2lb6cs7j No passage of scripture ever prohibits or condemns pre-marital sex.

There is nothing in the Bible that supports your claim about sex before marriage, there is also nothing in the Bible that tells us that God wants us to be happy. True joy is only found in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I would kindly encourage you to repent and put your faith in Him. I promise you will experience true joy, much better than temporary 'happiness'

I have always believed that sex-before-marriage was sinful. So I fought the good fight to remain a virgin prior to marriage. To this day I consider this the biggest mistake of my life given what happened. I had no clue that I was making a life-long commitment to someone who was 100% sexually incompatible with me.

God wants us to glorify his name here on earth by our words and actions. This will lead to discomfort at times. It’s not about making ourselves happy it’s about pleasing God.

@@connordiem2834 “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29‬:‭11‬ ‭NIV‬‬ This sounds like a general statement that God seeks our benefit in some sense. And I would say that there is no scripture supporting the idea that pre-marital sex is a sin. That is a cultural notion more than anything.

Fornication ring a bell?

@@DrDoerk Fornication is a mistranslation, as you should already well know.

Look at that sinner squirm as he defends his filth

but if only having a simple lustful desire towards someone is already a sin why wouldnt pre-marital sex wouldnt be as well? no sense to me

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That's not the biblical definition of fornication! How about you learn the hebrew word and definition of fornication. Fornication is also sleeping with father or mother, sleeping with your own brother or sister, sex with animals, when a man has sex with another man, etc. Sex before marriage is a sin for virgin women! Why? Because virgins belong to their father's and a dowry is paid for her. Virgins must also prove that they didn't have sex before marriage by presenting a bloody sheet after the marriage is consummated. If blood is not found, she is to be put to death. That law is not for every woman. NOW, PROVE ME WRONG!

"Fornication" is an English word, it does not match the Greek or Hebrew texts.

@@klyetruman7285 You're essentially right, but there is no "biblical definition of fornication" the word didn't exist. Translation should rely on creating accurate facsimiles of the original meaning, not on changing another language to fit.

@Grokford The context is key to understanding. Leviticus and deuteronomy never speak ill of sex before marriage, except in the context of a virgin or virgin woman promised to a man.

If you don't like sex? Then you should probably explore asexuality and aromanticism and see if any of that resonates with you. If not, or you historically had a sex drive, then it might be worth exploring if you've had some medical shift recently or added some new medication. Anti-depressants are notorious for reducing sex drive. However how you should respond to that it up to you, sometime the better thing for you health is to keep your medication.

Answer: yes, you are stuck for life in a miserable situation. My wife decided she didn't like sex and that sex was not to be a feature of our marriage right up front. End-of-sexlife. My advice: do not marry someone whom you are not certain you are sexually compatible with.

None of those said premarital heterosexual sex is a sin. People try to lump premarital heterosexual sex with sexual immorality but it's not the bible is specific what sexual immorality is and premarital sex is not one of them.

​@@granddaddyofthemall6320do you not know what fornication is?

@@DrDoerk It says sexual immorality, fornication is not mentioned as part of male and female sex fornication is about mixing with other nations and such.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in.

“Then neither do I condemn you,"Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” - John 8:11 "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." - 1 John 3:9 "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - 2 Timothy 4:3

good answer.

You deceive yourself, it's quite the opposite. You still sin, but it is not forgiven if you don't place your faith in Christ. Being forgiven is the only route to Heaven and the only other eternal destination is Hell. God bless you.

Only according to the Christian god. According to Egyptian god, you Christians are in serious trouble, because you are not buried with an ankh. And when you go before Anubis he will be able to see through your lies.@@UmamiPapi

Premarital sex isn't adultery, its fornication. Also condemned in scripture. Adultery always refers to someone who is married.

@@klamb9 “Fornication” is an archaic word that does not mean what it once did. It is not an accurate reflection of the meaning of text. The Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex; that is a cultural notion that was connected with moral terminology.

And sadly a large part of the population think both fornication and murder is okay..... what had the world gone to?

Pre-marital sex is never listed as a sin in scripture, that is folk belief.

@@Grokford You should actually read the Bible. The meaning of FORNICATION is consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, AND SUCH LIKE: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.(that means you will go to hell)

Brother that point is so off kilter i cant even Lol Jesus was not a normal man... he was God in human form so he had no reason (or want) to be married. also, could you imagine being a girl and being married to the literal creator of the universe?

Also... he made the entire sex process so yes LOL

if you believe that Jesus is a mere human, so you shouldn't follow him. Christianity isn't about a guy who was really smart and good and so we should listen to him to live better lives. Jesus claimed to be God, he's either a madman, or a lier or he's really God. If you do believe he's God, so he's all knowing, and knows all outcomes of anything because he created time too. In this case you better study more about him and try to understand his will for you, because it's the right thing to do, it doesn't matter if it makes your life better or worse. If you once found a wallet and returned to the owner instead of taking to you, you deep down know doing what is right is better than doing what is beneficial for you.

The Jesus handed down to us today might be a mix of fact and legend.

God delights in any that turn from sin and put faith in Christ to be forgiven!

The Bible seems to describe marriage according to the customs of the time. Solomon is described as having both wives and concubines, recognizing a social difference. But it’s not a great concern because the Bible never prohibited pre-marital sex.

I think that you can sleep around too. Discernment is valuable but still.

You're going off love of sin, not Bible.

So sayeth you@@UmamiPapi

@@UmamiPapi What sin is that? I'm not actually sexually active, so it's not that I can't control myself or that I'm some sort of sex addict, it just doesn't seem right to me that people should be shamed for something the Bible never condemns.

and you got this data from where? You're making it seem like schools or any education is a 21st century discovery

Thanks for your comment. This is a common question that I think is very important to think about. When comparing this idea of "test driving a car" to a person, we are implying that the main purpose they have in our lives is to please us. Therefore, if they don't "perform well" then they aren't worth loving. That is frankly a very wrong and evil way to view someone who is created in the image of God. The view God gives us of sex, is that it's purpose is not to just "please me", it's purpose is for me to serve and love my spouse inside the context of marriage. I hope you can see that this "test driving" mentality is not the selfless, unconditional love God calls us to in marriage. This is why saving sex for marriage is so important, because once you've committed your life to someone before God (in marriage), then you will love them until "death due us part" no matter how they "perform" sexually or otherwise. And the same is true for you. They will love you until "death due us part" in all of your imperfections and shortcomings, which we all have plenty of. People aren't made to be "test driven." This is one reason why God's design for marriage and sex is so much better than what our culture is trying to sell. I hope this helps.

@@STINTTBF I was being facetious because that's the only way to react to such an inane viewpoint. You assume a god without having a shred of evidence, presumably because of indoctrination, and yet have the audacity to state my viewpoint is "very wrong and evil". If you want to read of vain, vile, genocidal and sadistic, perverted acts you should read your Bible because your claimed god is all of those and more. I'd be interested on why your god places animal welfare above incest and child rape I''ll give you just one example why a "road test" is important. I've worked overseas for many years and had a Muslim girlfriend for some time I was intimate with. Unfortunately, she'd been subjected to FGM involving removal of the inner labia and clitoris and so tragically was able to experience little sexual pleasure other than closeness. The question of marriage was not an issue because her parents had arranged that when she was six to her first cousin but what is that were not the case? I like to give pleasure and not being able to made what we did feel unfulfilling so your assumption " it's purpose is not to just "please me"" is the polar opposite of my personality. Of course, that road test works both ways. Your upbringing has eliminated all objectivity you may otherwise have used to make judgments regarding not only the lives of others but also your own and all because you believe fairy tales about a magical sky daddy and a man who handed out fish sandwiches. That's fine if that's as far as it gets but you people interfere and affect the lives of others and the Roe v Wade verdict and its implications are the perfect example of that. I personally believe that abortion is wrong in most cases but you god botherers want to enforce your views in those that want nothing to do with your superstitious beliefs.

@@STINTTBF No. We don't have cars for pleasure, we have cars for functionality. Sex is a major part of a marriage, and sexual compatibility is one of the primary causes of divorce. Waiting to have sex until you're in a lifelong commitment with someone is, at best, a risk, and it's irresponsible to ignore that. Worse is the culture of shame that prevents people from even talking about sex and condemns them for even wanting it. It is not selfish or ill-intentioned to want to be with someone who is sexually compatible, framing it that way is dishonest and destructive. If someone wants to wait to have sex until they're married then more power to them, but if they're not able to at least talk about it then they're being careless. Moreover, even this video acknowledges that there is no biblical precedent for the idea that pre-marital sex is immoral. No verse or passage ever says that. Repeating false ideas of what "God says" is at best irresponsible, more likely it is actively harmful.

When it comes to marriage, people SHOULD be "test driven". You don't just marry some random person; you spend time getting to know them first. Not saying you should have sex or date number 1 or even date number 300. But at some point, it's supposed to happen. If it happens before the legal marriage ceremony, I'm not convinced that this is some irreparable tragedy in every single instance.

@@Grokford You don't have a nice weekend car just for pleasure? How sad.

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These guys celebrated sex outside of marriage. And they were heroes of the faith. But that was all before God changed the rules.

King David also murdered a man. Just because God is using you for his greater glory doesn't mean your not human. Everyone human in the Bible except Jesus sinned and that doesn't mean its ok, it just means they were flawed like we are.

The Lord does not even mention sex between the unmarried. So why be troubled with another burden?@@mattr.1887

Remember, the Lord approved having additional wives/women. Kings were not allowed to have too many wives - "“And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.” Deuteronomy 17:17"@@pickles8098

I would also like to see people talking about sex with their potential sexual partners. If you can’t discuss it then you’re not ready.

Use the brain God gave you. If looking with lust is sin sexting is absolutely sin. It's astounding you need it spelled out.

If those Men cannot have another Women then I guess they can fondle the wife while the wife plays with something unspeakable. Aleast that's one solution.

Mmm, do explain citing biblical sources that are compelling.

That's not true, we wouldn't be having this discussion if it were true.

What demon possesses you to comment throughout this video encouraging sin? I rebuke you in Jesus' name!@@Grokford

@@UmamiPapi I'm not encouraging sin, I'm not even encouraging sex. I just don't see how sex and marriage can be considered equivalents.

“Having urges” is not a sin, neither is homosexuality, neither is premarital sex.

Exodus 22:16 KJV [16] And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. But this he did CITE

@@andrejones2147 Cool, but we’re not under Levitical Law.

​@@Grokford There are Laws in Levitical law that apply, although that is somewhat less important, basically besides the 10 Commandments, keeping the Old Testament in mind, the New Testament teaches a form of virtue ethics, it teaches a virtue ethical framework, not a simply only a list of everything that is morally permissible and everything that is impermissible, it teaches someone what virtue looks like, what it is to be ethical in hopes to guide their future actions. A tenet of virtue ethics is that you have to study the circumstances in the natural world to know what the virtuous action to take will be, knowing natural facts is an important element for us to know how to act virtuously. Premarital sex may be a sin, but if it's not it's certainly not virtuous nor good if you dont marry that person. If you read Exodus 22:16 KJV, it's obviously a bad thing to have sex with someone and not marry them, the Levitical application would have you marry that person, but as we are not under that law anymore, you would not be forced to marry her but that does NOT mean that it's not a sin nor not immoral. This is a case by case basis as there were also ritual laws, but the distinction is clear in biblical context, for example it was not wrong to eat certain foods because those foods were immoral, it was wrong to eat those foods because God told you not to at the time and it would be openly disobeying God, but it was wrong to have sex with a woman, defile her and not take responsibility because it was immoral. There is objectively nothing good about having sex and not marrying that person, but there are objective benefits to marrying that person, that is good.

Fornication....

Translation issue.@@DrDoerk

Sure, but God never condemns pre-marital sex.

not what im saying......for me i wasnt into one night stands with chicks....had tons of opportunities but it wasnt my thing@@Grokford

"Biblically sex is marriage so the idea of premarital sex doesn't exist. " That is false, the bible never says that and obviously we wouldn't be having this discussion if we believed it. "With that said, sex without the intent of marriage or complete marriage can be classified as a form of sin." The Bible also never says that.

Paul never said that marriage is the 'only proper outlet'. Nor will you find such an assertion anywhere in scripture.

You're a heathen and this video is on the Bible.

Can you point where in the Bible?

I don't think it does, what passage are you talking about?

@@andreim5973 The word "fornication" is a mistranslation, it hasn't appeared in any modern English translation for almost a hundred years.

It was always a legal contract. The Bible never calls marriage a sacred bond. We're not supposed to violate our commitments, that's true of all of them, not just marriage.

"The English and Biblical definitions of sexual immorality AKA ( Adultery ) are different?" Sexual immorality is more than just adultery. "The western Christian philosophy isn't the biblical way of marriage ." There is no biblical prescription for how marriage should be done. " And we wonder why there are so many broken homes and families nowadays" Yes, the atomization of society. "we have a problem with submission of wifes because most have chosen western paganized philosophy over the word of the Highest." That is not the problem.

That's not how that works.

"This is why you need authority in the church." This is nothing but proof that authority can be abused. "Catcholic church has taught this for 2000 years" The Catholic church has not even existed for 200 years. It didn't start worrying about pre-marital sex until well into the 11th century later. "The Catholic Church states it is a sin" And the Catholic church has also said a lot of other things, like permitting the oppression of the Jews, promoting trans-continental imperialism. And it also honors as a saint to this day, a man who murdered people for reading the Bible. "and it is further backed by scripture." No passage of scripture prohibits pre-marital sex. "Stop trying to make excuses for your sin." It's not an excuse, it's a factcheck. "It’s meant to be challenging." Living your life without shoes is also challenging, but it's also masochism. Frequently it's either a tactic of abuse and control or it is an attempt to take over some of the punishment that Christ absolved us of on the cross. "Just because it’s a “natural craving” doesn’t make it okay." Actually it does. Desire is a morally neutral experience. Moreover, sex is not inherently harmful and thus not inherently immoral.

She’s repeating folk beliefs, it’s inaccurate theology.

That's folk belief, the Bible never says that.

@@Grokford Do you know what fornication and adultery are? The Bible says PLENTY about them. You need to re- read it some more.

This passage is 1) out of context 2) Deuteronomy is OT, meaning Torah that it is for Jewish 3)The gospels of Jesus didnt existed in Deuteronomy so God was a Wrath God. 4) Its completaly evil this passage, it justifies to torture woman "in the name of God" 5) This are serious topics and we all know that Christians all around the globe are sexually frustraded because of this, for taking passages out of context. You dont need a religion to know that is not advisable to go around and have countless sex, but what about a really in loved couple? They are already UNITED, best if they have years in the relationship. The passage in the video, the one of adultery is wrong simply because of this: It is talking about cheeting to your wife/spouse, meaning that you already are in a commited relationship and you decide to betray them. But Jesus here is DEFENDING Woman in general of being used by man, thats why he says " if you even just look at another woman wanting to have sex with her, you are already betraying your wife". How many christians male married watches porn?...

@@ornella09 God has always been the same, there is no OT and NT God. Yes there is a new covenant but that doesn't mean God changed. The OT also defended women against rape.

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@@Spriktor Jesus was against all the rules and dogmas the people of Judea had to worship God (jews) instead he preached a universal message of peace, love and self-discipline so Anyone in the world at any era could have a real conexion with God like he had. You cant understand the Bible without the cultural and historical context. The whole America continent has been murdered by the Europeans empires with the excuse of " Evangelizing" when we know that Jesus would have never allow that massive genocide.