@@marckyle5895 or Risa…

Tom riker sat down, got himself caught up with himself, decided "nah fuck all that I'm going to go be a space pirate" and can you say you wouldn't do the same?

@@Auffinaugh Still doesn't give him justification to play "Grand Theft Spaceship" with Sisko's car. That was just uncalled for.

He's lucky Sisko didn't take it personally

​@@andyb1653GTSpace edition that gave me quite the chuckle😆

They might have a trauma curring miracle drugs.

This is the only explanation

Yeah, sure. Oh, hey. I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Prime property in Brooklyn. Interested?

@@DerekBee There's experiments in PTSD treatment working toward that. The issue with PTSD is the emotional component, not the bare facts of what happened, so what the experiments are looking at is something like what was seen in the film "Equilibrium", either through chemical treatment or therapy or some combination. Essentially, you try and remove the emotional component from the specific memory so it becomes emotionally distant. You remember what happened, you remember that you were scared, upset, whatever, but it's just bare facts, not something that emotionally affects you now. Yes, there are scary aspects to such technology, but for everything involving the human brain you can think of negative possibilities for anything that tries to help people.

@@ElizaHamilton1780 I've got an even better bridge. Prime property on Veridian III.

Conferences are a death trap!

ya and it feels contrived how EVERY SINGLE TIME something goas absurdly wrong. it at the very least makes star-fleet look incredibly unsafe and incompetent and that every shutte pod needs to be given an armed escort.

But oh-so-accurate about the mindset of middle management......military or otherwise

@@Thor_Odinson and lets not forget that this was the time when ships did 5 year missions and had no counselors

I have a feeling that STAR TREK: PICARD Season 2 is going to deal with this.

Stay Puft.

@@Wimpoman MN

There was definitely a question mark in his voice when he said it, so I'll allow it.

But Lennie. If we right then you will have saved the lives of millions of millions of REGISTERED voters 😊

Paper moon was one of the best episodes in star trek ever!

He did that at 40:00

Yeah, that episode always pissed me off. Like bro, forget the fact that this guy is your duplicate. You have an officer who was marooned for 8 years and is clearly having major issues dealing with what's going on, and you're going to act like an ass because he's not at 100%? Man, screw that.

@@kevinmencer3782 lol i love that review

@@kevinmencer3782What’s worse is Star Fleet basically saying “Hey! We got another trained officer without having to invest time and funding into his training!” I am surprised they weren’t trying to replicate the incident to clone officers…

Nah, he saw his own death like 3 or 4 times in that episode with the Romulans and the time-jumping. So he’d have like a quarter dollar

if I for a nickel every time ranboo found a stronghold on accident, I would have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird it happened twice.

@@someidiot4311 do not bring dsmp into this you absolute degenerate

In a future w no money you’d have to figure inflation would be pretty low?.. so, maybe it’s like when the old timers talk about buying groceries or whatever for a quarter haha

Don't be silly. They don't use currency in Starfleet. Now where did I put my gold-pressed latinum?

I think a lot about one of Chakotay’s lines: “when this is over, we’ll all have a lot of grieving to do”. Pointing out shoving their feelings aside to focus on the mission at hand, which is not particularly healthy, but with an awareness they have to deal with it sooner or later before it starts to fester and get psychologically inflamed. The recognition of the latter part is why it stuck out to me as a line, vs the more standard “just keep your head down right now” type line you usually see.

I think the issue is that Hard Time itself does a great job of showing O’Brien’s trauma, but every subsequent episode completely ignores it. The episode itself feels like lip service considering how tossed aside it is after the credits roll.

@@BirthquakeRecords head cannon here, I think it is supposed to be implied that Bashir was serious about mental health and was being done behind the scenes....until the Dominion war started, where Bashir routinely talked about mental health and trying to get people rest time

@@BirthquakeRecords Agreed. DS9 certainly resisted the "we will never speak of this again" trope better than its sibling shows, but it wasn't immune to it.

Look at the hoops Kirk had to jump through to get Spock back in Star Trek 3. Star Fleet didn't care about personal feelings.

Force him to take time off, but don't take away his access to the weapons lockers, which should have been automatic once he was relieved (albeit temporarily) of duty.

Yeah. There's also this 'punish you for an accident/mistake'. Case in fact at present, a German nurse broke 6 vials of the Covid vaccine, and she obviously felt that there was no one she could go to and explain the situation so she hid what she'd done. While I don't condone her actions I'm forced to wonder at a society that makes people afraid to admit mistakes.

This comment needs a trigger warning 😅

I think that's where the Starfleet model comes from. We just accept it as normal, particularly in the 80s/90s. I don't think it's a coincidence that, as we've recognize how fucked up our society and economy is, we get more examples like Pike on Discovery.

It sucks but people die in the line of service you can't wallow in it. It's cold but if they're not your friends its easier for some to move on. You pray for them and their families and count your own blessings. Starfleet is shown to pretty much act like a deployed military unit. If you leave due to some sort of "mental health day" you're probably not coming back. If you can't compartmentalize you won't be around long.

Regarding the fourth floor, I theorize in that particular holonovel, that Janeway's "employer" was keeping his wife locked up there and saying she was dead so he would be free to canoodle with the help, given said employer claiming he was in love with Janeway, the little girl claiming her mother wasn't dead, and that other maid what's-her-face being extremely hostile to Janeway (perhaps out of jealousy?).

To add to it to take the cake, holographic risan civilians and regular beach goers and party guests trying to kill you whenever you done something wrong and almost getting lynched by an Irish guy in a recreation of an Irish Coastal town.

Um, I must have missed part 2 of this statement where the "toxic work environment" was revealed...

@@Finians_Mancave The part where the employer rewards the employee for unhealthily overworking themselves, thus reinforcing the idea that they won't be rewarded unless they continue to burn themselves out.

1980s: even TV writers knew that technical people often love their jobs, want to make their working environment as safe and efficient as possible for them and their colleagues, and want to show drive and initiative in order to demonstrate their suitability for promotion. Similarly that good non-technical managerial/leadership types can use snapshots of technical specialists' behavior to form an accurate assessment of their underlings' potential for development. 2020s: wOrKiNg HaRd Is ToXic

@@Finians_Mancave part 2 would be "well i knew then that i had to give him an assistant"

@@lordsummerisle87 except that people in Star Trek don’t get compensated in any way. It’s basically indentured slavery. Even when the engineers and scientists come up with a genuinely or even very obviously good idea, they have to kiss the ass of command or go to great lengths just to get it implemented; a bit too much like my own career for my liking.

Great example

And then she decides to let him work through the trauma and she sits with him while he does. She doesn't just leave him to face it all alone.

Yeah but we are talking about Troi here, there is a fairly good chance that most people would just end up even more broken after a few sessions with Troi. Plus with the exception of the Enterprise I don't think we have ever seen another ships counsellor in the rest of star trek, I always imagined that they saw just how irrelevant Troi was and how much more everyone else managed to help each other and just decided not to bother.

Kira snaps at everyone in Ops because she's overworked, and Bashir orders her to spend the night at Quark's bar or face suspension. His prescription is literally crackers, tea, candy, gambling, and the holodeck - pick two.

ST writers: Continuity? What's that?

They actually come back to that in the current season, though I won't mention how as I don't know how much of a spoiler it is.

O'Brien deserve time off.. that one episode where he has dephesa. Thinking what he said, but words are messed up

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Another example is Captain Dayton of the Rubidoux, and later the Solvang, who despite cracking under pressure the first time we meet her, cracks under pressure the 2nd time we meet her, where she and her entire crew are KIA. Maybe if the shrinks at Fleet Command had been paying attention to how badly frayed their officers were, they wouldn't have returned Capt Dayton to command.

I seem to recall on a number of occasions that the Enterprise D is on it's way to a vacation/R&R planet and gets diverted at the last minute by an emergency, so it's not like regular breaks aren't scheduled.

That is what I think made me want to write stories in which the characters comforted each other when I was 8 years old.

Which is ironically pretty accurate to how an abused person reacts when they’re told to stop doing the behaviours their abuser demanded of them. Even little things like if they had to wash dishes a certain way; often they’ll do it that same way years after getting to safety without some at least minor intervention. Of course with an example like that it can be relatively harmless, but even so it can still remind them of the prior times. And of course some behaviours can be far more deleterious and dangerous like not sleeping until they pass out, or driving without taking breaks. So one could look at it not as merely being indoctrinated, but as having a fear response to the idea of breaking out of their habitual actions - as focusing on the actions can distract from the bad environment while rest can allow the victim to ponder their circumstances.

Not just doctors. In "Shore Leave," Spock has to trick Kirk into ordering himself to take shore leave.

Try to tell someone they're no longer allowed to do their hobby they find immensly fulfilling and see how happy they are about it

Another KZfaqr's mentioned this in his industry. Look up Stevie Richards and his speech about how sometimes you do have to force someone to take time off. And he's talking about overt physical problems for professional wrestlers.

Well, being genetically engineered isn’t presented as a crime, it simply bars you from many professions for both competition reasons and to disincentivize creating genetically modified individuals, which is illegal.

@@jdcrosier2682 Right, it's not a crime, you're simply being punished for what you are which you have no control over. Like being black or female or gay, it's not a crime, you'll just be punished for it your whole life.

@@limiv5272 Being genetically engineered isn't a crime in the Federation, but genetically engineering someone is. As a result, the Federation sought to discourage people from genetically modifying their offspring, by not only arresting the parents (the people who actually committed the crime), but also removing the benefit of augmenting their children; if the opportunities of the children are limited, it removes the temptation to break the law. It's not comparable to being black or gay, because those things are not the direct result of crimianl actions, because they're not the result of someone illegally augmenting your genome. You are correct, however, that the people who were augmented, through no choice of their own, do suffer for those actions. It's not an ideal solution, but many parents would break the law for their children's benefit, so the punishment had to remove that benefit.

That nickname comes from Steve's video about the "City on the Edge of Forever" episode. Check it out; there are more gems where that came from.

Not necessarily. It's entirely possible to be right about something purely by accident and for the entirely wrong reasons. To use an example, Person A might be suspicious that Person B is conducting criminal activity for racist reasons: "Everyone knows all X are thieves". And it might be that Person B really is a thief, but that has nothing to do with why Person A accused them of that. In Maxwell's case, his personal paranoia might have made him see something innocuous, that Starfleet Intelligence also saw but justifiably wrote off as routine. Picard, for instance, saw the same evidence but didn't jump to the same conclusion. It was only the Cardassians' actions afterword that shed a new light on the previous activities. Going back to the example, Person A, in his racist assumptions about Person B, might have driven Person B's car off the road in an attempt to stop him from carrying out more thefts. And when emergency services respond, they happen to find Person B's car contains stolen items.

@@keith6706 right, the speech at the end makes clear Picard knows they must have weapons or something equally as sensitive due to the privacy shields. But Picard also knows that unprovoked attacks cannot happen between two powers at peace with one another. So Picard chooses the larger consideration even though he knows Maxwell was probably right after all.

hey, you do a big job keeping a lot of people safe. its ok to be stressed out by that. being responsible for life should have a weight to it. i cant tell you to not let it get you down but try to remember that those people trust you with their lives for a reason. and that reason is that you have proven you can be trusted with them. and its not in spite of you anxieties. your concern for them is a part of what keeps them safe and whole. and i want you to know i am grateful for that anxiety, for a pilot that double and triple checks like i compulsively would. i am grateful for you. my uncle pat was a combat pilot in vietnam. dropped napalm. then he got into a test program for a little ground support plane you mightve heard of, the a10. he retired and flew 747s until desert storm and came back to do gun runs and stuck around into the early days of the full night vision cockpit. man is a tank eater. back in 98 one of his squadron mates from vietnam was finally identified and disinterred from the tomb of the unknown soldier and given a personal burial. pat was on that flight and screamed while that man went down. he was in town for a holiday when that came on tv, it was pretty big news at the time. i had never seen him cry but he did right then and there. it tore him up. he said it had eaten at him for decades not knowing what had happened to that man. and that it hurt almost as much that he wasnt there now with the rest of the squadron to carry him to his own grave. the best, bravest most fiery-spirited pilots feel what you feel. you dont have to be ashamed. just get out there and soar. let the world fall away and fly into the wild blue yonder. godspeed captain.

That’s so important. My brother was turned down when he tried to take his first steps getting a pilot’s license because, no joke, he told his GP one time about being depressed as a teenager. He said he’d regretted ever opening up about it back then because it didn’t get him anything at the time anyway. But societal pressures like that, which keep people bottling things up for fear that talking about them, are actually far more dangerous than silly shit like “oh they have depression so they’ll probably just take the aircraft into a nose dive on a whim” >.

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Maybe that's why they gave up on money, so they wouldn't have to pay compensations

There's an ongoing class action lawsuit regarding starfleet personnel injured by poorly designed engineering consoles.

I would so watch that!

What compensation could they want in a post scarcity society?

You mean Wesley. Weasley is from Harry Potter franchise...

I just wanted to be Wesley...

Watch the Redlettermedia TNG reviews, Mike has the same view.

Analyze, adapt, overcome.

Wesley's attempts to commission made it seem like Starfleet was very exclusive.

I wonder if there was a Draft during the dominion war to fill up the ranks with meat for the meat grinder that war is.

Thank you, yes! This was the very sort of comment I was looking through here to see - or make myself if I didn't find. For a TV show, it's no good showing all the mundane day-to-day stuff that provides all the opportunities for having time off to deal with all the life altering events that transpire on-screen. Even many episodes lead off with a Captain's Log saying "we're in the middle/end of a three month survey of Blah-blah sector...." where, clearly, nothing of great importance has happened. A very important point to make! ^_^ Also: yay for TTRPGs!

You don't even need to do that: just look at the episodes themselves. Taking TNG as an example, aside from a few episodes which might have a montage covering a period of time, or ones where the characters are explicitly said to be constantly working on a specific issue over a period of time, the viewer only sees what these characters are up to for 19 hours over the course of an entire year (44 minutes x 26 episodes). That's a lot of time to be doing something else.

Wildly inconsistent time and distance factors most of the time, that is. And with 26 episodes a year in 52 weeks, some spanning three or more days...

Just as the spice must flow, O'Brien must suffer.

Same, I'm pretty sure that every other episode of deep space nine could be entitled lets see what mental or physical torture we can put Miles O'Brien through this week lol.

years later Picard would say: "It wasn't the same Starfleet..." it's a clue to the public that Starfleet management needs closer scrutiny

Explained in the context of this video, yeh, it does seem harsh, when I recently saw the scene I interpreted it as it wasn’t the time for Data to stand down. That would be at a later time when the situation had stabilized. Needless to say, Captain Picard was a little peeved Data chose THAT moment to stick a untested device into his head…

In Picard's defense, it's not the first time he's had to tell Data "welcome to humanity," And in this case it happened just a couple days after Picard found out his family burned to death, so on a couple levels he wasn't in the mood to deal with Data's complaint.

Star Trek: Breaking Dawn

Tell me more! YOU'LL HAVE TO CALL AGAIN!

lol

It's one of the reasons I wrote my Fanfic story about the aftermath of City on the Edge of Forever.

"Lol, you guys remember that time all of us got possessed by parasitic monsters? Good times. Anyway, back to personnel reports and fleet maneuvers."

AIso Nog aIthough not an officer rehabs in a "haIo suite" program.

Of course it’s worth bearing in mind Picard wasn’t like that as a younger adult :) while Kirk has the reputation of being action-oriented etc but was described as a stack of books on legs at the Academy.

Mission, ship, crew, in that order. I remember it well.