Is Steph Curry FINALLY In The Top 10 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time?

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Жыл бұрын

Stephen Curry finally won an NBA Finals MVP and has just won his 4th ring with the Golden State Warriors, but does he rank in the Top 10 NBA Players of all time? And if so, as Tracy McGrady asks, who do you take out?
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@FuboSports
@FuboSports Жыл бұрын
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@christhebeard6284
@christhebeard6284 Жыл бұрын
Boston didn’t pass the eye test. Curry and the Warriors looked the part and had all the swagger walking into the finals. They have been there and looked ready for it all, Boston isn’t ready there are levels to this and Boston is still a few years away from making waves.
@luisortega6012
@luisortega6012 Жыл бұрын
Gilbert arenas was 1/4 qrt in it lol 😂 He will always be in the category of Eric snow , Vernon maxwell , devin gorge, maybe Kenny smith but Kenny was a way better then Gilbert straight up lol
@luisortega6012
@luisortega6012 Жыл бұрын
Gilbert Arenas couldn’t fuck wit j.Stockton real real shit
@BenjiClips614
@BenjiClips614 Жыл бұрын
No one’s talking about Curry saying last season.. “Y’all don’t wanna see us next year.” That’s some 🐐 shit to say and to deliver just makes it that much better
@grandmasterc6130
@grandmasterc6130 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jungleboy223
@jungleboy223 Жыл бұрын
The doc gone go crazy
@jackross956
@jackross956 Жыл бұрын
But who you taking off to put him top 10? 🤔
@PatriccSellapound372
@PatriccSellapound372 Жыл бұрын
Lmao EVERYONE says that shit fam ! Curry has to win two more chips and finals mvp just to be top 12. There’s nothing goat about him outside of shooting. No part of his game outside of shooting is elite (maybe ball handling too)
@streetcar5244
@streetcar5244 Жыл бұрын
@@PatriccSellapound372 Nigga just averaged 31PPG on the best defense in the league with Andrew Wiggins as his second option and you wanna say he’s basically Kyle Korver lol. I honestly wonder how many games y’all watch.
@andrejohnson5042
@andrejohnson5042 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love Tmac and Matt giving Kobe his flowers
@robpgh159
@robpgh159 Жыл бұрын
^ 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@gott3356
@gott3356 Жыл бұрын
Facts like a mf!! The disrespect to Kobe is an anomaly
@leakman1208
@leakman1208 Жыл бұрын
@@gott3356 disrespect? Its sad he died but stop acting like he didnt have great teammates. The magic finals is tge only one i remember playing well consitently he's bot better than mj, bron, kareem, duncan,
@gott3356
@gott3356 Жыл бұрын
@@leakman1208 he’s definitely better than all of them you named besides mj!! He’s way beyond lebron. Lebron went ring chasing let’s talk about it !! Tim greatest power forward of all time. Tony Parker & kawhi got finals mvp on his team. Shaq most dominant big man ever!!
@mserikatodoh
@mserikatodoh Жыл бұрын
@@leakman1208 you mean lebron had plenty of perennial all star teammates, still have more finals losing record than kobe, jumps from ship to ship and still ring chasing? that lebron?
@Dilly_Dil1y
@Dilly_Dil1y Жыл бұрын
Kobe WAS the show! For me he was the most fun to watch. Steph has me in the same feels. Dude is electrifying.
@FreedomFighter2112
@FreedomFighter2112 Жыл бұрын
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@mattbroadwin7542
@mattbroadwin7542 Жыл бұрын
@@FreedomFighter2112 By your "Total Achievements" scale: Dwight Howard (9) is better than Dirk Nowiztki (7). Robert Horry (7) is equal to Dirk (7). Patrick McCaw (2) is better than Patrick Ewing (1), hall of famer. Sasha Vujecic (2) is better than Damian Lillard (1). J.R. Smith (2) is better than Vince Carter (0). Adam Morrison (2) is equal to John Stockton (2), hall of famer. Zaza Pachulia (2) is better than Reggie Miller (0), hall of famer. I think that about demonstrates that picking 6 categories you feel like and ignoring every other category and nuance in a career, and then making a top 10 list out of it, is flawed and not well thought through. So just to be clear, your "Curry only has 13 achievements" is nonsense - just like your list. Unless you'd rather have Robert Horry than Patrick Ewing, Damian Lillard, Vince Carter, and Reggie Miller combined based on their "6 achievements".
@ashleynj091
@ashleynj091 Жыл бұрын
When you talk about curry you can't leave out the fact that he was injured a lot the first part of his career. When he started staying healthy is when he begin emerging he's been one of the best players in the league ever since top 2 fasure.
@FreedomFighter2112
@FreedomFighter2112 Жыл бұрын
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@nic1922
@nic1922 Жыл бұрын
@@FreedomFighter2112 this is lowkey stupid. Youre adding all nba defensive teams. Steph is 6’3 scorer and everyone on that list is not shorter than 6’6. Of course he wont make it
@higherstandards2731
@higherstandards2731 Жыл бұрын
I love how mat Barnes always hold Kobe down and gives him his true credit
@kingmalik09
@kingmalik09 Жыл бұрын
People forget how fun he was to watch. Everyone watched the Lakers when Kobe was in his prime. I wasn't even a Lakers fan and I would stay up late on school nights to see the Kobe show.
@gregtomaszewski563
@gregtomaszewski563 Жыл бұрын
Kobe deserve all the respect. For a while i did npt care about Kobe but when Diesel left i decided to study him and now after after he got 2 rings with Pau and following him i put him before Bron all the time. He was student of the game.Worked on D as much as on offence. He spend time studying other players to be ready when time came. I learn to have all the respect for late,great Kobe.
@Dilly_Dil1y
@Dilly_Dil1y Жыл бұрын
Kobe was the most fun to watch. He was my favorite. Steph gives me that vibe. 💯
@devincarter5288
@devincarter5288 Жыл бұрын
Matt a real one 💪💯koby bean Bryant the baby 🐐🙏💯
@ubadman1
@ubadman1 Жыл бұрын
@Kwame Kimoko LeBron beat Kobe more than Kobe beat Bron. Also Kobe never faced peak LeBron. LeBron is better. easily.
@isaywhatyouafraidto
@isaywhatyouafraidto Жыл бұрын
KD is top 10 but Chef is questionable? I’m really starting to believe dudes just don’t like Steph and what he represents
@life0093
@life0093 Жыл бұрын
Two of Steph’s accomplishments are tied to KD. His 2015 ring is questionable, especially after him losing in 2016 and wanting KD to join the team. 2019 no KD, team not deep=L 2021 No Klay and KD, Steph couldn’t win a play in game vs the Grizzlies. 2022 = Undeniable. Great accomplishment for Steph. He needs more. People act like KD left and The Warriors were left with nothing. And they won a ring in spite of that. He eventually got flipped for Wiggins, who is an Allstar caliber player in his own right.
@whooptiwu1481
@whooptiwu1481 Жыл бұрын
People who don’t know basketball are the ones who think KD top 10
@lifncar28
@lifncar28 Жыл бұрын
@@life0093 Exactly. They have 4 players who can create their own shot. (Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Poole). Celtics are good when they're winning, but they don't have a star to dig them out of a deficit against a team like GS. Steph is a great player(best shooter), but he benefits from the league and their score first mentality. You can't hand check. Warriors changed the game and now everyone shoots 3s (including bigs). Ruined the game. NBA players used to be adored for their hard work and physical gifts. I think that's why ratings fell.
@tonkotsuramen4206
@tonkotsuramen4206 Жыл бұрын
@@life0093 If that’s the standard, then Lebron does not belong in the top 10. All of his championships were fraudulent 2 with Heats: Needed a super team, not to mention Riley pulled some under table deal with Haslem. 1 with Cavs: NBA suspended Draymond for a questionable call, then Warriors players got injured. 1 with Lakers: Mickey Mouse House? Give me a break… Lebron is a great talent, but how he go about to build his legacy is not comparable to other greats. Lebron had the luxury of playing as GM and make player decisions, getting players who compliment his skills, yet, what’s his Finals’s win/loss number?
@funkslave9425
@funkslave9425 Жыл бұрын
@@life0093 2 of brons rings are tied to Bosh and Wade, so whats your point? Plus the warriors should have won in 2016 if not for refs helping him.
@Nay1985.
@Nay1985. Жыл бұрын
This was an epic interview i feel extremely happy after watching this. These dudes are a cut above. Great personalities. More.
@petercheung5984
@petercheung5984 Жыл бұрын
The most important stat which probably cannot be mathematically calculated is how impactful were they to get the "W", so sure individual stats matter but at the end of the day it's a 5 on 5 games... the players mentioned LBJ, MJ and Kobe definitely all fit that mold... but idk about KD. So Steph is definitely top 10 in terms of that caliber.
@kite4792
@kite4792 Жыл бұрын
hmm not sure how KD doesn't fit there? KDs defense > Currys defense. KDs rebounding > Currys (not even looking at stats, but just game play). KD has to come before Curry but theyre not too far off
@petercheung5984
@petercheung5984 Жыл бұрын
@@kite4792 KD was definitely unlucky by being in a not-too-ideal OKC system. You could argue that everything about the Warriors is a perfect storm - great management, great coaching, good culture - but then again, a lot of that was built from the ground up that started with Steph. That's the main difference. My opinion of truly great players is that they are the wheel, as opposed to being system players. It seems that KD just isn't that guy, but I could be wrong.
@allday1047
@allday1047 Жыл бұрын
@@kite4792 OP specifically mentions impact on winning. In this regard Curry>>>KD and its not even close
@allday1047
@allday1047 Жыл бұрын
And it is mathematically calculated and its not even close
@Thanosdidtherighthing
@Thanosdidtherighthing Жыл бұрын
@@allday1047 KD has a higher all time PER
@adamazabraji7086
@adamazabraji7086 Жыл бұрын
I love TMAC bringing up All-NBA that brings consistency. Very important. Tim Duncan is 15X All-Star, 15x All-NBA, 15X All Defense. 5X Champ. 3X Finals MVP. 2X Regular Season MVP. That's a load!
@David-ot8wp
@David-ot8wp Жыл бұрын
That cause Timmy is TOP 3 ever, folks hating cause dude aint flashy!
@melchormendoza
@melchormendoza Жыл бұрын
in the words of GA, TD is a bad motherfucker.
@thejuniors5345
@thejuniors5345 Жыл бұрын
@@David-ot8wp He ain’t Top 3 but he fasho Top 10 with no doubt. The Bigs List is crazy. Reem TD Shaq Dream Wilt Russ Moses, it’s people who have all these players in a Top10.
@Mytowerisaneiffel
@Mytowerisaneiffel Жыл бұрын
And he didn’t change the game at all. Sorry but that matters
@kefkapalazzo1
@kefkapalazzo1 Жыл бұрын
Some these guys resumes make no sense lol
@icytangus6683
@icytangus6683 Жыл бұрын
I like how TMac and Matt defend Kobe
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud Жыл бұрын
Both of them have a lot of experience playing with and against him.
@tyronjasonhuff
@tyronjasonhuff Жыл бұрын
you didn't watch Kobe. I hated him as the antagonist but I respected his game. a literal sharper Jordan.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud Жыл бұрын
@@tyronjasonhuff Agreed.. Jordan had the benefit of having Scottie the Entirety of his Career Shaq & Kobe broke up too soon But I don't think Kobe would have became Kobe with Shaq there. Steph has always had Klay Magic always had Kareem LeBron always had a loaded team. Except for one yr in Cleveland.
@russellwestbrook8747
@russellwestbrook8747 Жыл бұрын
they have to. Lots of Media ''analyst'' brainwashed people into thinking Oscar, Bill Russell, Wilt, Bird is above Kobe. That's total disrespect lmfao Kobe was way too fckin nice to be below them.
@streetcar5244
@streetcar5244 Жыл бұрын
@@tyronjasonhuff I love Kobe but other than 3 point shooting MJ was better at literally everything lol.
@LafeSpace
@LafeSpace Жыл бұрын
How have I been missing this? I love the commentary. They're giving non-politicized answers.
@theregoesmiller389
@theregoesmiller389 Жыл бұрын
i could watch this all day.... i wish these guys would get together more.... i wish they would talk about stuff like : " if you had the keys to a brand new expansion team , what would your roster look like " or " give me a all time roster that you would love to put together to see play together... questions like that.... I'd love to hear them dive deep into conversations like that.... or " if you had to build a team around YOU , what would the 15 slot roster look like ( any player ) "
@Mitch_Feral
@Mitch_Feral 10 ай бұрын
I would love to tune in for both those conversations.
@VuTron30
@VuTron30 Жыл бұрын
I love how TMac on other shows talks about Steph not havin a Finals MVP is the reason holding him back from Top10. Says he shrinks in big moments. He gets one, now its hes only got 4 1st Team All NBAs lol Well if the conversation is back on regular season accolades then how significant is being the only unanimous mvp in nba history? The most undeniable season. Clear cut better one season by impact stats wins? U talk about one u gotta talk about it all
@nicholashackie1407
@nicholashackie1407 Жыл бұрын
Everyone when making these lists uses a criteria for ranking certain players above others, but then yet eventually end up contradictiing their own criteria when explaining why certain players shouldn't be above others.
@nikoslala2111
@nikoslala2111 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholashackie1407 yeah they dont have enough iq to cover their hate. They are easily exposed
@dusttaker
@dusttaker Жыл бұрын
SYAS THE GUY WHO COULDNT EVEN WIN ONE PLAYOFF SERIES
@wealthytv8265
@wealthytv8265 Жыл бұрын
TMac been shading Steph a lot he didn’t live up to his expectations in his career
@TJzWayy
@TJzWayy Жыл бұрын
Most people who know basketball knows that Curry shouldn’t have been the first unanimous mvp. Shaq should have won AND Lebron. But one dude voted for Carmelo lol. So I mean…
@princemoses798
@princemoses798 Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how a lot of people forget to name Duncan. People really don't know how great this guy was. He could easily be 6-0 in the finals with 6 titles if not for Ray Allen's shot.
@thetunkmaster
@thetunkmaster Жыл бұрын
Ray Allen did what he was paid for
@BruvahSulaiman
@BruvahSulaiman Жыл бұрын
I view Duncan and Kobe as equals. It's easy to forget Tim cause ppl don't bring him up a lot but whenever I remember him I take someone off my list to put him on.
@tyrellwestbrook9879
@tyrellwestbrook9879 Жыл бұрын
Tmac mention Duncan i thijk
@vegetaking1272
@vegetaking1272 Жыл бұрын
@@BruvahSulaiman Duncan top all 10 period and is ahead of Curry💯💯💯 Both KB & Duncan is ahead of Curry period! I’m a huge fan of Steph but imho? He really only has 2 rings if we’re being real! A b2b 73-9 Finals team with 1 🏆 won already signs the 2nd best plyr in the NBA the very next yr? How tf is that fair nor should it counts. Wtf did ppl think was gon happen with 🐍 KD joining 73-9 Warriors team? Lmfao wtf smh. But to each their own I guess.
@balazsczirjak8042
@balazsczirjak8042 Жыл бұрын
Yes is he didnt lose he would p 0f won. Good job sherlock here is a 🍭
@justinlevy274
@justinlevy274 Жыл бұрын
A classic and modern list makes a lot of sense. I split my lists at the introduction of the 3pt line as the game is so different with floor spacing.
@jiggafromstatefarm9997
@jiggafromstatefarm9997 Жыл бұрын
I like That
@DFritz-xc3hq
@DFritz-xc3hq Жыл бұрын
Great show. Great panel
@anthonypierre2094
@anthonypierre2094 Жыл бұрын
How they putting KD in the top 10 and debating if Curry is there? They must be high. KD needed Curry to win a chip and wasn't the bus driver. They have to understand when you debate top 10 you have to split hairs. It's that close. If you out it's no disrespect, it's not saying you a scrub but everybody that was nice can't be there. Curry is easily top 10 and higher. His winning, shooting and impact on the game its legendary.
@DogIn1993
@DogIn1993 Жыл бұрын
nigga he MADE curry his robin you goofies acting like draymomd ain’t recruit him go get mad at draymond 😂
@whatsgoingonouthere1422
@whatsgoingonouthere1422 Жыл бұрын
Gil said they look at the sheet
@etuali1038
@etuali1038 Жыл бұрын
@@whatsgoingonouthere1422 they basically saying one v one who is best and curry not hooping on anyone in top 10 without screens
@darrincrawford2588
@darrincrawford2588 Жыл бұрын
What fucking defense does curry play please stop your shit bro
@leboganglegodi6811
@leboganglegodi6811 Жыл бұрын
@@etuali1038 KD couldn't hoop on iso defense from Smart, Jason and Tatum.. They clamped on KD; Smart did good guarding Steph; Steph smoked everyone else on the C's. Who KD smoke? You realize Ty said defences are focused on Steph.. The head of the snake my guy
@raven062000
@raven062000 Жыл бұрын
You can't have KD top 10 and not Steph. Let's see him win without Steph first. It's not like he's been on trash teams before the Warriors either.
@crosswiz6
@crosswiz6 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how KD is even considered top 10, he really hasn't accomplished anything besides that MVP. Those 2 chips with the Warriors Steph and those guys set the table for him he didn't really "earn" those, he has to prove himself. Steph proved himself twice without KD so yea it is what it is 🤷🏽‍♂️
@tyyylenolpm
@tyyylenolpm Жыл бұрын
When he said he had kd top ten And it was bc of accomplishments and championships and mvps I literally thought well how tf is Steph not in before kd lol
@aaronchang858
@aaronchang858 Жыл бұрын
Finally I thought I was crazy, Curry definitely deserves it more, a lot more, not even close!
@DogIn1993
@DogIn1993 Жыл бұрын
@@crosswiz6 kd joined the warriors and made steph his robin led the league in scoring 4 times won a mvp a 12 time nba all star made the all nba first team 6 times yall get mad cause he dgaf wat da media think and chose the team he wanted 2 go 2😂
@crosswiz6
@crosswiz6 Жыл бұрын
@@DogIn1993 Whats your point? Steph has his accolades too. Steph deserves it more than KD. He built those teams from the ground up. He won two times without KD, Steph proved himself KD has not. KD came into HIS team an already made championship team. Steph is the better champion with the better legacy.
@hoodlife6700
@hoodlife6700 Жыл бұрын
Gil has me rolln. We did the mikan and reverse mikan everyday right after shot progression. I’m not gonna lie it helped tho. Even tho it focuses on touch around the rim It’s also a foot work drill
@thebestmike
@thebestmike Жыл бұрын
Imagine still putting KD over Curry 😂😂
@melbrown2295
@melbrown2295 Жыл бұрын
Right…mofos are delusional.
@ronkadero
@ronkadero Жыл бұрын
KD is more all around player that's why. U can't even create KD in 2k
@thebestmike
@thebestmike Жыл бұрын
@@ronkadero curry is a batter shooter, curry finishes more consistently around the basket. Both don't play spectacular defense (even though Celtics shot 25% when gaurded by curry in game 6) we'll call the defense a tie. Curry is a better passer. Durant might be a better rebounder. And curry has better handles.
@ronkadero
@ronkadero Жыл бұрын
@@thebestmike yeah yeah yeah. Curry is this and that. Curry carries the Warriors for this championship shooting 3s event though Curry nba finals 2019 was trash, 2020 didn't even make the play in and 2021 didn't the playoff. Lol but is ok give him credit. He's not all that.
@thebestmike
@thebestmike Жыл бұрын
@@ronkadero no injuries, warriors win in 2019 easily, everybody knows that. 3 out of 5 starters for the warriors got injured in 2019 and you blame curry for the teams lack of success in the following year? And even if that's your argument you fail to hold Durant to that same standard.
@nyukechen
@nyukechen Жыл бұрын
What people don’t understand is the nba top 75 is like a museum not necessarily the top 75 players ever. And as we know the best art doesn’t necessarily make the museum just the most important moments.
@aduce6876
@aduce6876 Жыл бұрын
Subject, but I like it
@ptyten9718
@ptyten9718 Жыл бұрын
Great way to put it
@jackross956
@jackross956 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@TheSwish_
@TheSwish_ Жыл бұрын
I agree and Vince Carter should be there
@elijahdavis2496
@elijahdavis2496 Жыл бұрын
False your describing the nfl hall of fame nba is more picky on who they let it granted it’s people that was nice but was not that great big names don’t mean best game
@ptyten9718
@ptyten9718 Жыл бұрын
I'm with Gil, it's tough to make all time lists when the pre 1980 era was just so different.
@varsame
@varsame Жыл бұрын
Can’t really knock great players for the comp they were given. I believe players like wilt, Baylor , pistol p and west would acclimate to modern nba rather easily
@davidriley6843
@davidriley6843 Жыл бұрын
Yea I have 2 separate list. The modern era for me starts in the 80’s when Magic and Bird came in.
@cezaryadamski8786
@cezaryadamski8786 Жыл бұрын
If its top 10 post 1980 my top 10 in no particular order is MJ, Lebron, Magic, Duncan, Kobe , Kareem , Bird, Shaq, Hakeem and Steph. I think this is consensus top 10 post 1980
@mfgreviews5028
@mfgreviews5028 Жыл бұрын
@@cezaryadamski8786 A top 10 without Oscar Robertson is no top ten
@billsikes4007
@billsikes4007 Жыл бұрын
@@cezaryadamski8786 Agree with your list but I can't put Steph ahead of Durant, not yet at least and neither has finished their story.
@rambooo2534
@rambooo2534 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how the media works when they like a person off the court cause before Kobe passed it was literally like a wave of these nba analyst trying to convince people that Kobe wasn’t a top 10 player of all time. Kobe then passes and since that moment they don’t debate it anymore for obvious reasons Fast forward to Steph winning this cake walk ring & now he’s just edged in stone in the top ten with no debate? Oh I see how this works…..
@justsomedudewithnoneck8329
@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 Жыл бұрын
Bro the putting kd in the top 10 for some reason and curry just won a ring they already saying he not top 10 you know how the world is you not getting respect until you go💯
@rambooo2534
@rambooo2534 Жыл бұрын
@Kwame Kimoko Facts it’s my own fault letting these dudes irritate me like this lol
@edwinglass7025
@edwinglass7025 Жыл бұрын
How I make my list…..I do by position first then by players… I look at accomplishments, moments, whether they played defense, impact outside opposition 💯
@whatsthedeal7062
@whatsthedeal7062 Жыл бұрын
Gil is never afraid 😱 to say what’s on his mind. - No Chill Gill
@nsa4613
@nsa4613 Жыл бұрын
He burned somebodies house down lol
@yemmyrox5469
@yemmyrox5469 Жыл бұрын
He’s ignorantly hilarious!!! They need guys like him on these shows for sure!!!
@joeymanny
@joeymanny Жыл бұрын
he is just a low basketball IQ guy
@Thanosdidtherighthing
@Thanosdidtherighthing Жыл бұрын
@@nsa4613 Partially right but partially wrong. He said Bird stats weren’t special…. Bird had a 29.9 ppg , 9.3 rebound, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals season on 53/41/91 shooting splits lol
@ayeitsjay883
@ayeitsjay883 Жыл бұрын
He kept quiet when everyone was saying Kobe over bron 😂
@ryanhollinsbwood1787
@ryanhollinsbwood1787 Жыл бұрын
"Steph will be in retirement mode in 5 years" -Gilbert in 2018. Love how you hide all your wrong takes
@manan612
@manan612 Жыл бұрын
Gilbert Arenas disrespects the legends of old. If he went up against Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem, they would kick his ass all day everyday!
@SolaceMcfly
@SolaceMcfly Жыл бұрын
i don't see how thats a wrong take when a lot of people thought steph would be close to winding down around this time.
@ryanhollinsbwood1787
@ryanhollinsbwood1787 Жыл бұрын
@@SolaceMcfly it’s one thing to be wrong. It’s another thing to be wrong and then act like you’re some master predictor.
@GrahamBean
@GrahamBean Жыл бұрын
Great mix. I would love to see Matt Groening animate this convo.
@maluvalentino
@maluvalentino Жыл бұрын
Shoes off, snacks I'm the middle, watching TV in the background...all is missing is some blunts. Loving these clips.
@realmencry981
@realmencry981 Жыл бұрын
The same way we see these Legends defending Kobe by saying “go guard him” 20 years from now we gone see the current players defending Steph being Top 10 saying the same thing “You ain’t have to guard him” Steph is gonna be looked at very positively by his peers and the next generation looking back
@hnn8759
@hnn8759 Жыл бұрын
Bruh kobe and steph not on same level stop it
@nikoslala2111
@nikoslala2111 Жыл бұрын
@@hnn8759 curry better than kobe by far
@realmencry981
@realmencry981 Жыл бұрын
@@hnn8759 didn’t say he was, but it’s still a fact all these guys played against Kobe When players in Currys era retire you’ll hear the same kinda stories about him too but for now they’re competing against him
@goodfractalspoker7179
@goodfractalspoker7179 Жыл бұрын
@@hnn8759 curry is better and I am a Lakers fan. Kobe shot like 43-46% from the field and was high volume thats not top 3 all time.
@mgillettemusic1235
@mgillettemusic1235 Жыл бұрын
@@nikoslala2111 kobe has like 12 all defensive teams and scores more than curry no way you serious lmao
@kevinnguyen1464
@kevinnguyen1464 Жыл бұрын
They need a top 10 of each era
@NellyMoney35
@NellyMoney35 Жыл бұрын
Top 10 of 60’s and 70’s irrelevant
@mobetta2092
@mobetta2092 Жыл бұрын
What’s defined as an era in basketball? A Decade? The problem with that is it’ll put players like Anfernee Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, and Carmelo Anthony on Top 10 lists for decades they were great in, which would water down the credibility of what “top 10” means.
@hoodyfrog7036
@hoodyfrog7036 Жыл бұрын
@@NellyMoney35 that's tough cos Dr J was a demon
@windowpainzplays8601
@windowpainzplays8601 Жыл бұрын
@@NellyMoney35 so is 80s and 90s lol, straight plumbers
@sambeezy007
@sambeezy007 Жыл бұрын
@@NellyMoney35 60s and 70s is relevant. Russell, Wilt, and Kareem created a path for bigs.
@24servings
@24servings Жыл бұрын
Love this kind of content it's so real
@OVERLORDCNOTE
@OVERLORDCNOTE Жыл бұрын
Steph was injured a lot in his career he just started becoming more consistent with staying healthy and he’s catching up 🏌🏽
@ChiefaThaGreat35
@ChiefaThaGreat35 Жыл бұрын
Lay off the fentanyl bruh
@almightymike9484
@almightymike9484 Жыл бұрын
What more is there to catch up on tho? He has more MVPs than some guys in the top 10, more rings, greatest shooter ever, only unanimous MVP ever, and he’s still going.
@redpillproductions7187
@redpillproductions7187 Жыл бұрын
Jordan Kobe Curry Curry gets 1 more it's Jordan then Curry, Me personally I say it's Curry as the Goat. Curry gets 2 more he's undoubtedly the Greatest of all Time.
@DavidTheDeveloper
@DavidTheDeveloper Жыл бұрын
@@redpillproductions7187 Never , dude plays one half of the court while Jordan plays both
@DualityUnlimited
@DualityUnlimited Жыл бұрын
He just had to get healthy and he benefitted from New Ownership which executed a vision!
@apollohamik8840
@apollohamik8840 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for finally putting respect ✊🏿 on Kobe24 name
@kobebryant33824
@kobebryant33824 Жыл бұрын
Players, actual players, always put respect on his name, its these bum ass media personalities that dont know a damn thing
@nikoslala2111
@nikoslala2111 Жыл бұрын
Thats not respect. Thats delusion. Kobe is not a top 10 player let alone better than Curry or lebron
@kobebryant33824
@kobebryant33824 Жыл бұрын
@@nikoslala2111 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@xrpedro
@xrpedro Жыл бұрын
@@nikoslala2111 LMFAOOO aye…connect me to your plug cause that’s some good sht 💨 you on right there
@xrpedro
@xrpedro Жыл бұрын
@@kobebryant33824 💯
@ceavn9000
@ceavn9000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt for giving love to Barkley, he's so slept on
@LisJ0
@LisJ0 Жыл бұрын
Damn I agree with you guys. I wondering all the time who be making these lists.
@futuresplashbrother9487
@futuresplashbrother9487 Жыл бұрын
If tmac values scoring so much Steph literally averaged 30 his unanimous mvp year AND SAT OUT THE 4TH QUARTER IN 17 GAMES. has a scoring title as well. And he doesn’t see the free throw line as much as others. He’s just hating at this point
@whooptiwu1481
@whooptiwu1481 Жыл бұрын
TMac don’t know what it means to win
@michaelkall2413
@michaelkall2413 Жыл бұрын
KD literally has 4 scoring titles , curry can’t touch him when it comes to gettin a bucket , and he only shoots like 5 free throws a game
@Mad_Intalect
@Mad_Intalect Жыл бұрын
@@michaelkall2413 KD is probably the greatest scorer ever.
@Splashhyo
@Splashhyo Жыл бұрын
@@michaelkall2413 Kd can’t touch him when it. Comes to winning 💀and also if Steph took as many iso shots as Kd not even iso nearly as many shot attempts Kd takes he could probably average 35 a game 😂
@melbrown2295
@melbrown2295 Жыл бұрын
Steph has *2* scoring titles…at 6’2”. KD is 7’1”. 🤷🏾‍♂️
@MrJ1S
@MrJ1S Жыл бұрын
Dream is top 10. had the least amount of help ever in winning a title then took a 6 seed to win it all to go back to back. Beat every top center he ever faced head to head in the playoffs. INCLUDING kareem and the loaded lakers in 86 in only his 2nd year. with 1 all star teammate ralph sampson
@kernalbert4939
@kernalbert4939 Жыл бұрын
AND DPOY...TWICE.
@becrf1922
@becrf1922 Жыл бұрын
great, but if it wasn’t for Jordan retiring, he might not have won a championship. Steph, for example, not only he won 4 times over a lot of people’s GOAT, he literally changed the way the game is played. I don’t see how this isn’t great enough to not be top 10, and if I need to take Hakeem out I would. It’s not only about skill.
@garysalazar5279
@garysalazar5279 Жыл бұрын
not yet, Dream is the best defensive player to ever play the game. And he averaged 28 on top of that. saying MJ winning is purely hypothetical those bulls teams were burnt out as stated by those same players. MJ needed those 2 years to recharge.
@nicksmith7167
@nicksmith7167 Жыл бұрын
Kareem was 40 years old in 1986, Ralph and Hakeem get no credit for that. Also the Rockets got the right matchups in their championship runs. Seattle gave Houston fits during those years but didn't play them in playoffs.
@garysalazar5279
@garysalazar5279 Жыл бұрын
@@nicksmith7167 nope. Kareem was 38 was still dropping 23ppg. a little research wouldnt hurt.
@sekurus4950
@sekurus4950 Жыл бұрын
I love this combo of people
@priztucker
@priztucker Жыл бұрын
5:13 I was wondering why the odds of the Celtics winning was so high. Even though I am a Warriors fan, there's no way the Warriors with their system had no chance.
@lessondburn3971
@lessondburn3971 Жыл бұрын
NBA players who beat Steph for 1st team selections: CP3, Russ, Harden, Lillard, and Luka. All of whom combine for 0 rings, and no one would say those guys are greater than Steph, so context matters here.
@Purlypurlington
@Purlypurlington Жыл бұрын
Well said
@tonylawton2454
@tonylawton2454 Жыл бұрын
Dumbass doesn't mean they were not better
@Luca-yb4sh
@Luca-yb4sh Жыл бұрын
To think back at the first team selections now, Book and Tatum don't belong there over Steph. I mean they never did, but looking at how they performed... The disrespect to a 3 time champ (at the time) is real.
@lessondburn3971
@lessondburn3971 Жыл бұрын
@@Luca-yb4sh well I understand why they were picked bc Steph had a horrible shooting slump after he broke that record, plus he got injured after the all star break. I understand it’s a regular season award and some of those guys deserve it when they got it.. my only contention w TMac is holding a lot of weight in it. Like that can’t be used to split hairs.. for instance, Kobe and Steph are ranked around the same area on my all time list. If we just look at 1st team selections, Kobe blows Steph out the water... but Kobe played in an era with really no great SGs.. Dwade, Reggie Miller, Ginobli, maybe AI depending on whether he was playing SG or PG in certain seasons.. I mean those guys aren’t real competition. the greats were SF in that era.. TMac, Vince, Paul Pierce. BUT I’ll take Steph all day over Kobe based off his finals performances, FG%, and ability to make his teammates better.
@futuresplashbrother9487
@futuresplashbrother9487 Жыл бұрын
This needs more likes
@Ejr82u
@Ejr82u Жыл бұрын
These list will always change as time goes on
@GoGetYourShinebox
@GoGetYourShinebox Жыл бұрын
Except I don’t ever see MJ being knocked off top spot. He arrived in the league at the perfect time and dominated the golden era
@09thespecialone
@09thespecialone Жыл бұрын
@@GoGetYourShinebox Statically, Wilt is the GOAT.
@GoGetYourShinebox
@GoGetYourShinebox Жыл бұрын
@@09thespecialone But considering stats, accolades and most importantly rings… can’t see MJ being beaten. Especially those 2 3peats… it’s hard enough to do it once
@09thespecialone
@09thespecialone Жыл бұрын
@@GoGetYourShinebox Yes, that is the media narrative. But numbers are numbers. Even MJ knows that he’s not the best ever…Wilt was bigger than the sport itself. His domination at his peak is unheard of. Let’s be real here. Most of his records will never be broken.
@GoGetYourShinebox
@GoGetYourShinebox Жыл бұрын
@@09thespecialone It's easier to accumulate stats (or for some stat-pad) than it is to lead a team to a championship
@locklife4336
@locklife4336 Жыл бұрын
It’s one thing to be the best, it’s one thing to be great but it’s another thing to change the entire way the sport is played. Curry is top 10 and somebody will have to be replaced.💯
@kevinjones9159
@kevinjones9159 Жыл бұрын
i wanna ask t grady if him gilbert and kobe nd tim got the euro step could you guard them, and how would their numbers look then?
@cncaliguy09
@cncaliguy09 Жыл бұрын
I love Gil, he always sounds crazy then he explains his thought process and he makes perfect sense.
@showgamez5257
@showgamez5257 Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t
@anthonystroman8407
@anthonystroman8407 Жыл бұрын
@@showgamez5257 you doesn't!
@M3llw
@M3llw Жыл бұрын
trash
@showgamez5257
@showgamez5257 Жыл бұрын
@@anthonystroman8407 🗑
@ocho10cinco
@ocho10cinco Жыл бұрын
9:25 “The narrative” about MJ’s goatness is there cuz it’s legit. Mike’s resume is ungodly. & he did it all in such a short amount of time, 11 years.
@JP-wn4jn
@JP-wn4jn Жыл бұрын
This should also be a new podcast with just this crew
@tipsy3
@tipsy3 Жыл бұрын
The entire video is engaging! Former athletes will make a killing in this new media era.
@kingtshilobo1849
@kingtshilobo1849 Жыл бұрын
I’d rather listen to ex players make their all time rankings than the media. This guys know what it takes to be great so they know who’s great or not
@Mitchporter063
@Mitchporter063 Жыл бұрын
Kobe definitely deserves more respect
@Johenz
@Johenz Жыл бұрын
Kobe ain’t top 3
@jucci178
@jucci178 Жыл бұрын
@@Johenz good thing that’s your opinion
@nikoslala2111
@nikoslala2111 Жыл бұрын
@@Johenz kobe isnt top 10 tbh
@jaylenflanagan1295
@jaylenflanagan1295 Жыл бұрын
Kobe not top 10 fanboy
@pickzkickz
@pickzkickz Жыл бұрын
Most players do.
@geecheemack7676
@geecheemack7676 Жыл бұрын
Arenas should do more podcasts…. I like his energy…. It’s feels honest and not bias!!!!
@FuboSports
@FuboSports Жыл бұрын
this is literally HIS podcast. Peep the channel and subscribe
@BigRael92
@BigRael92 Жыл бұрын
Gotta love Gil! "AAU!" 🤣🤣🤣
@skippayless4357
@skippayless4357 Жыл бұрын
Tmac listed 10 guys, then said “Oh plus Lebron.” And then there’s Steph… But then he says KD in his top 10 too? How tho 😂
@Tony-fq5bn
@Tony-fq5bn Жыл бұрын
He was just listing guys so they could say who they were taking off, I don't think he actually had his Top Ten worked out solid before this ep
@Thanosdidtherighthing
@Thanosdidtherighthing Жыл бұрын
Kd won two finals mvps and Steph won 0 while he was there
@4evahodlingdoge226
@4evahodlingdoge226 Жыл бұрын
@@Thanosdidtherighthing And? Iggy won the mvp when he was on the Warriors, was he better than Steph?
@Brantley_ZA
@Brantley_ZA Жыл бұрын
How do you have KD above Steph when KD doesn't have a chip or FMVP for that matter without Steph?
@marksines1246
@marksines1246 Жыл бұрын
LOL you really think gsw winning those two against lbj without kD, draymond would disagree 😉
@trill5563
@trill5563 Жыл бұрын
Man steph fans so delusional asf sometimes, without Kd y’all not beating Cleveland 😂
@willjames618
@willjames618 Жыл бұрын
@@marksines1246 You really think lbj getting to finals with out Kyrie and Wade, some would disagree
@Brantley_ZA
@Brantley_ZA Жыл бұрын
@@trill5563 what's delusional is you talking about delusion, then bringing up a crazy delusional hypothetical.
@Brantley_ZA
@Brantley_ZA Жыл бұрын
@@marksines1246 I know that we don't know, but this year year just proved that is they literally got anyone better than Barnes then yes they would 100% win, but they would still win even if nothing changed.
@LuZu_
@LuZu_ Жыл бұрын
I think that the majority of 'All stars' come down to the NBA's viewer interest tbf. Without a doubt, Curry's all stars will continue to grow as such an impactful player to todays game.
@ryder1757
@ryder1757 Жыл бұрын
The people that came before us paved the way and faced harder challenges than we ever will but that is life, it's about improving and making it a better and easier future for those up next, in turn, we all must pay our respects and respect those who came before its a repeated cycle
@lazarvukojevic8981
@lazarvukojevic8981 Жыл бұрын
One thing they didn't take into account was that Steph entered the league at the age of 21. And he had ankle problems for the first three seasons.
@hankyang2182
@hankyang2182 Жыл бұрын
Why they should take this? No one forced him enter the league at the age of 21 and had ankle problems.
@Munchkkinz
@Munchkkinz Жыл бұрын
i think they simply feel that while curry is obviously great, hes never been the absolute best player in the league for a decade run like mj kobe and bron. hes been elite for damn near 8 tho so
@zeshawnali5676
@zeshawnali5676 Жыл бұрын
@@Munchkkinz hes changed the entire game of basketball on every level
@sideshowbobsaget8876
@sideshowbobsaget8876 Жыл бұрын
@@zeshawnali5676 How did Curry change the game?
@rexaraza3423
@rexaraza3423 Жыл бұрын
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 you living in a cave or what? 😂
@pinnaclelutz7076
@pinnaclelutz7076 Жыл бұрын
Love Gil, dude filter is non existent 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣💯
@keviswalker5705
@keviswalker5705 Жыл бұрын
This shouldn't be a topic, that boi is NICE!
@him4882
@him4882 Жыл бұрын
Put some damn respect on Kobe. Thank you tmac and Matt. Go guard that man. Mfs reading numbers off paper. If you watch the game and understand the game, Kobe is top 3 for you. Go guard him.
@JezusSlaves
@JezusSlaves Жыл бұрын
I'd rather guard Kobe than Shaq.
@nazinas21
@nazinas21 Жыл бұрын
What Kobe did was legendary
@nicholashackie1407
@nicholashackie1407 Жыл бұрын
It's always been crazy to me the constant kobe disrespect. Only two players in nba history have 9 first team all nba selections and 9 time first team all defense....mj and kobe. That is it....that's the list. Yet mj is considered the goat, which he definitely is, but others have kobe barely top 10 or outside top 10. Makes no damn sense.
@him4882
@him4882 Жыл бұрын
@@JezusSlaves Shaq went up against no other great centers during those runs. In the 90s, Hakeem was taking his lunch money.
@JezusSlaves
@JezusSlaves Жыл бұрын
@@him4882 he was not in his prime in those years. He was still a beast though, while Kobe had to develop when he was young
@brandonpomele4674
@brandonpomele4674 Жыл бұрын
Steph a beast, I’m sorry he changed the game and has 4 rings.. he’s top ten.. eventually
@anthonymendez5232
@anthonymendez5232 Жыл бұрын
Steph first season was in 2009, kd in 2007, Lebron 2003 they should have more points and chips and steph out her catching up with missing 2 seasons.
@lion6036
@lion6036 Жыл бұрын
Great show.
@petegonazalez23
@petegonazalez23 Жыл бұрын
Love Gil. Keep it 💯 thanks
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud Жыл бұрын
True, but I don't agree with him A lot. Barkley wasn't one sided at all His ability to Box out and rebound was a form of defense it's self. And Barkley blocked more than his fair share out shot.. He just wasn't 7ft
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud Жыл бұрын
True, but I don't agree with him A lot. Barkley wasn't one sided at all His ability to Box out and rebound was a form of defense it's self. And Barkley blocked more than his fair share out shot.. He just wasn't 7ft
@rossjeffries3522
@rossjeffries3522 Жыл бұрын
Im wondering why this is even a question. If he isnt at this point you just dont like him. He is the only unanimous mvp ever. He has the 3 point record for both regular and post season with a lot more years left. He has completely changed the way the game is not only played but also approached and now has 4 titles
@mobetta2092
@mobetta2092 Жыл бұрын
Kinda irresponsible as a fan to make that comment without naming your top 10 for context. So who’s your top 10?
@rossjeffries3522
@rossjeffries3522 Жыл бұрын
@@mobetta2092 it doesnt really qualify anything to put a list up but what I will say is that there arent but maybe a small handful of players that has had not only the trajectory of career hes had but also provide as big of an impact on baskestball period plus hes the only guy on any top list thats limitless once he reaches half court
@VonJay
@VonJay Жыл бұрын
@@rossjeffries3522 compare his list to who you believe should be in the top ten
@VonJay
@VonJay Жыл бұрын
@@rossjeffries3522 compare his list to who you believe should be in the top ten
@rossjeffries3522
@rossjeffries3522 Жыл бұрын
@@VonJay why? So we can go back and forth and argue on something we wont agree on? If you dont have him top 10 thats on you
@An097
@An097 Жыл бұрын
When you think about the whole notion of “Be like Mike”, Kobe is the closest possibility to it. If MJ is 1, Kobe is right behind at 1 A. I’ll do Kobe one better by saying he got 2 without a Pippen like player alongside him. People just don’t want to admit how good he was. Every basketball player ever talks about him with so much respect and reverence. He deserves it all.
@braxtondeets3365
@braxtondeets3365 Жыл бұрын
10:00 for sure. Everything was about Mike and they haven’t forgot it. Well deserved but not fair to the viewers. Just like Tiger Woods, compared to Jack N, on paper Jack is a better golfer. Tiger was a supercharged golfer. Kobe needs to seriously be considered when talking about MJ
@BabyGBandz
@BabyGBandz Жыл бұрын
Curry got more rings then everyone on the show and they still down playing him smh
@greatest599
@greatest599 Жыл бұрын
Steph got more rings than tmac ever won rounds
@nikoslala2111
@nikoslala2111 Жыл бұрын
@@greatest599 steph "bad finals" 2016 was 23 ppg in 58%ts% . T mac(who couldnt guard a chair) had 22 ppg in his PLAYOFF career with 51% ts% and 29% from 3. And he cries cause he wasnt in the top75🤭
@JamesHall415
@JamesHall415 Жыл бұрын
gtfoh . Rings don't make you better.Just bc your team won don't make you better individually than other people. Why nobody talk about how steph don't hold none of the top pgs . He didn't do it 4 or 5 years ago either. I don't respect a sucka who don't take a challenge. I seen Jimmy butler tell the coach I'm guarding him. Now that's a leader.
@sambeezy007
@sambeezy007 Жыл бұрын
Rings are team accomplishments. Accolades don't tell the whole story either. Some accolades haven't existed the whole time. Like DPOY. It started in the 80s and the players we know played since the 60s.
@royalfx4687
@royalfx4687 Жыл бұрын
@@JamesHall415 lmaoo yeah that’s a leader that’s at the crib watching Curry wins championships.. a leader wouldn’t have took that dumb ass shot .. a leader would have just drove on Al horford and tied it up.
@stalin1909
@stalin1909 Жыл бұрын
GA take on this is not independent at all . The amount of Disrespect Kareem Gets is unreal . The man was a winner at every level of competitive BB. Jordan’s impact was not solely BB , he internationalized the NBA. Magic and Bird stabilized it , and gave it the momentum and following it needed. There will never be IMO an agreed upon top 5 or 10 , at least not in order. I Feel arenas keeps comparing Every player to his own abilities.Nothing wrong with that, but he misses the ( impact ) point vs abstract BB.
@akilanratnam1499
@akilanratnam1499 Жыл бұрын
The impact thing is timing. If Steph was in the same time frame as the aforementioned players, he'd have made the similar impact. It's hard to make an impact when the game has already evolved.
@cezaryadamski8786
@cezaryadamski8786 Жыл бұрын
Arenas doesnt understand top 10 greatest players is based on accolades not skills
@daevonthesavage7483
@daevonthesavage7483 Жыл бұрын
@@cezaryadamski8786 personally I take out Wilt and put in Steph. Cause honestly if we're being fair here, out of the whole top 10, Wilt won the least at 2 rings. Every one else has 3, 4, 5, 6, and 11(Although Wilt directly was impacted the majority of his career By the 11).
@DualityUnlimited
@DualityUnlimited Жыл бұрын
@@cezaryadamski8786 You are telling a borderline Hall of Famer with a very clear Point of View He doesn’t understand How players some of which he played against are evaluated ?
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas Жыл бұрын
@@DualityUnlimited please tell me u weren’t referring to Gil when u said borderline hofer. Cause he’s knowhere near a borderline hofer. Mans had a 4 year peak of decent allstar numbers and some first round exits, and was out of the league by the turn of the decade.
@AerialPenn
@AerialPenn Жыл бұрын
He changed the game. That's the statement right there. There isn't a lot of guys who have changed the way the game is played.
@bobotmeister
@bobotmeister Жыл бұрын
wanted to see more... 😤
@MrCchh7
@MrCchh7 Жыл бұрын
I like how T-Mac said kobe has been disrespected out of the top 10 but literally just disrespected Lebron until he was reminded
@ajeff4730
@ajeff4730 Жыл бұрын
Just basic human error I’m 100% sure he wasn’t trying to disrespect bron. He always gives bron his flowers
@MrCchh7
@MrCchh7 Жыл бұрын
@@ajeff4730 I know I’m just pointing it out I love Mac just a funny coincidence
@tubiviral9093
@tubiviral9093 Жыл бұрын
Forgetting to name someone in your list is not disrespect
@Eatm3
@Eatm3 Жыл бұрын
@@ajeff4730 ain’t no basic human error how tf you start your list without mj and bron that’s top 2 however you wanna put it
@bren8012
@bren8012 Жыл бұрын
He hates Lebron. Not the first time.
@glasses4513
@glasses4513 Жыл бұрын
Tracy headed for grouchy old man territory. How in the hell can KD be in the top 10 when he greatly benefitted from steph's gravitational pull? Tracy gonna take Skip's place in the naysayers line. smh
@whooptiwu1481
@whooptiwu1481 Жыл бұрын
Steph is who he want KD to be and he can’t stand it lmao
@drpimpen
@drpimpen Жыл бұрын
If he’s a grouchy old man he wouldn’t have KD in he’d talk like Barkley saying he needs to drive the bus. Complete opposite.
@whooptiwu1481
@whooptiwu1481 Жыл бұрын
@@drpimpen Tmac never made the finals so he wouldn’t know about driving a bus
@drone1028
@drone1028 Жыл бұрын
@@whooptiwu1481 actually he made it to 2013 finals with the Spurs.
@whooptiwu1481
@whooptiwu1481 Жыл бұрын
@@drone1028 lmfaooo you’re making my KD = Tmac thing even better but I guess by y’all logic Tmac was the bus driver for that spurs team right
@steves3460
@steves3460 Жыл бұрын
Damn, Gil... that George Mikan shit was cold. lol
@darealsmooveevlogs318
@darealsmooveevlogs318 Жыл бұрын
It’s so humbling to see that tmac isn’t cocky about ball or his criticism and his Jersey is in the room ik he see it but shout out to tmac💯💯
@ssjdez
@ssjdez Жыл бұрын
Finally seeing people that know it’s MJ, Bron, and Bean in the top 3 is so refreshing
@LilRedd615
@LilRedd615 Жыл бұрын
This how you have to look at it, and spread it… NBA players always say Kobe is Top 3 and not 3.. so all of these fans and announcers saying different doesn’t matter to me, if the people playing against him says it, can’t no one tell me different
@sambeezy007
@sambeezy007 Жыл бұрын
What's interesting is Lebron isn't even considered a "scorer". The list will always be subjective. If you like scorers: - Jordan and Kobe All around talent: - Bird and Lebron Shooters: - Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Steph Defenders: - Bi11, Ben Wallace, Rodman, The Dream Playmakers and passers: - Magic, Lebron, and Stockton Players that can do anything that's asked of them to do: - Wilt Chamberlain and maybe Lebron Work ethic: -Kobe "Killer mentality": - Jordan and Kobe It sounds like I'm a Lebron fan but I'm a basketball fan. Lebron is a whole body of work when it comes to basketball.
@fierankearey9118
@fierankearey9118 Жыл бұрын
Kobe respect is fine but Tim Duncan and Kareem are easily better than him career-wise. He doesn’t get bonus points for taking tough shots or having a flair to his game- just say you like his game more than when you watching Kareem or Timmy
@nbatalk714
@nbatalk714 Жыл бұрын
@@sambeezy007 facts and that’s exactly why i think hes the goat..
@sambeezy007
@sambeezy007 Жыл бұрын
@@nbatalk714 He is the best most definitely in his own way and it isn't even close. He's almost incomparable. The media sucks putting bs in people's heads comparing him to Jordan. Jordan was a straight up scorer that could defend. Lebron is a playmaker like Magic that can also score and defend. Rings are great but a body of work I like also. Rings are a team accomplishment. Your body of work is all on YOU.
@bryanchrisjoseph5526
@bryanchrisjoseph5526 Жыл бұрын
That's me all day @4:59 😆😆😆 Yo T-Mac was serious af 😆😆😆😆😆
@kchun5515
@kchun5515 Жыл бұрын
real ones feel the same. u can be a hater of kobe. if ure a real one, u would feel the same.
@BG-mn6di
@BG-mn6di Жыл бұрын
On ma lol
@michaelkuhne2705
@michaelkuhne2705 10 ай бұрын
You the man Gilbert! So cool and loved you when you were on my Warriors. I love how you said anything in the 85 era and before is trash including players cars etc. it’s absolutely true things evolve and get better including technology and techniques. When I watch games from the 90’s they look slow compared to todays nba action. So why would you say the Bulls might sweep the 2017 Warriors?? 🤔
@6ixOh9ineRacks
@6ixOh9ineRacks Жыл бұрын
Gil talkin that real 🗣💯💯
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud Жыл бұрын
There's been 4500 players to play in the league. Too much value is placed on the Top 10 Being top 25 out of 4500 players Is just as impressive as being top 10 Top 25 out of 4500 is 0.06 Top 10 is 0.02 That's negligible That's why most people who make these list have 15 players in their Top 10
@eliporter3980
@eliporter3980 Жыл бұрын
Top 25 is not as impressive as the top 10. Just like top 10 is not as impressive as Mount Rushmore. Shannon Sharpe said it better than I could: even in the Hall of Fames, there's levels.
@hayskig1226
@hayskig1226 Жыл бұрын
They should do the list like this then, 1A Jordan 1B LeBron 2A Kareem 2B Magic 3A Russel 3B Bird 4A Shack 4B Kobe 5A Duncan 5B Steph 6A Dream 6B Wilt 7A Oscar 7B KD 8A Dr J 8B West 9A Moses 9B McHale 10A Barkley 10B Thomas
@roddbanks103
@roddbanks103 Жыл бұрын
@@hayskig1226 they do list like that. It’d be called a top 20😂yours jus goofy looking
@updownleftright9258
@updownleftright9258 Жыл бұрын
@@eliporter3980 lmao thank you, for your comment. Thank you for making sense.
@TonyTheTender
@TonyTheTender Жыл бұрын
That’s not a negligible difference lol. It’s 3x harder to be Top 10 than Top 25. Your math is right, your conclusion is wrong.
@Port3R_
@Port3R_ Жыл бұрын
Love TMac but sayin KD got all the accomplishments and diminishing the 2 scoring titles 4 titles 2 MVPs n the 1 unanimous .. da all nba teams that curry got... cnt diminish da boy curry at 6'3.. he got chips.. nd avg 30 in th last one.. n high 20s in all da rest except 16
@stephencalhoun3034
@stephencalhoun3034 Жыл бұрын
"1985, anybody before that fuck em" 🤣🤣🤣 Love Gil
@iamMauriceBaker
@iamMauriceBaker Жыл бұрын
Talking about who is the best is cool and all but that table spread looks amazing lol
@PhenomenalJSP
@PhenomenalJSP Жыл бұрын
Hardware is important but the eye test is just as important . Skill set and peak playoff performances matter. Context and circumstances also are important when it comes to splitting hairs. Robert Horry has 7 rings but no one would say he was better than T-Mac or Barkley who have no rings.
@Pointyshoes00
@Pointyshoes00 Жыл бұрын
But curry has both eye test and hardware. Stop being a hater. Damn
@PhenomenalJSP
@PhenomenalJSP Жыл бұрын
@@Pointyshoes00 Everyone is always a hater when they don't say the talking points you agree with lol. Interesting you stopped at eye test and hardware and didn't mention skillset and peak performances but that is OK lol. What is understood don't need to be said lol. Emotionally triggered people usually resort to name calling instead of presenting evidence instead of opinion Carry on!
@Emanuel-bm9vn
@Emanuel-bm9vn Жыл бұрын
@@PhenomenalJSP in your opinion is Curry in the top 10?
@Pointyshoes00
@Pointyshoes00 Жыл бұрын
@@PhenomenalJSP you didn’t say anything of context following your lame point. Stop tryna sound smart on social media.
@PhenomenalJSP
@PhenomenalJSP Жыл бұрын
@@Emanuel-bm9vn There is an argument for it but I don't believe it is definitive i. e. he is on/at the fringe.
@wills8878
@wills8878 Жыл бұрын
Very valid point on Mikan
@gradymckinney7306
@gradymckinney7306 Жыл бұрын
I got 2 top 10s like tmac.. The traditonal top 10 then pretty much my fav top 10...traditional would be rings and accolades and dominance... Fav would always be like mj kobe bron kd steph giannis shaq magic tmac maybe and iverson
@shanemcbride3055
@shanemcbride3055 Жыл бұрын
2:08 “You would assume…”😂😂😂💀
@grubster13
@grubster13 Жыл бұрын
See, tmac willing to put kd at top 10 but not curry is blasphemous. It’s ridiculous. Steph has more mvps, more chips, and he is a better leader. It’s silly to put kd over curry
@datruth2179
@datruth2179 Жыл бұрын
If Steph would stop running of screens so much and stop switching on centers then mabey dude really runs from defense
@christaylor8539
@christaylor8539 Жыл бұрын
@@datruth2179 stop talkin about bball ur a complete dimwit. What’s happening when Curry is running round screens? He’s creating havoc n scrambling the other teams D….how many times have u seen him come off a screen where 2 defenders chase him n lose sight of their man leading to a wide open back door cut etc…..or a pass leading to a pass leading to a wide open shooter? U rather KD isolation high post up, jab step, jab step, one dribble pull up while all his teammates are standing watching him 😂….go watch tennis or sumn dingbat.
@itachimadra
@itachimadra Жыл бұрын
@@datruth2179 KD got swept by the team steph beat in 6. maybe KD should start running around screens.
@davidbrown6976
@davidbrown6976 Жыл бұрын
1 on 1 tho, KD would body Steph.
@kingcort8073
@kingcort8073 Жыл бұрын
@@davidbrown6976 that's why basketball is 5v5....and they got coaches
@chrislopez9436
@chrislopez9436 Жыл бұрын
To say anyone before 85’ doesn’t count is a lazy take, it’s all about context, what they did in THIER time for THIER era is what counts. To compare eras is senseless.
@lakerraiders9285
@lakerraiders9285 Жыл бұрын
That era with Bill Russell, he was one of the tallest players in the league plus the league only had 8 teams...lol...(why you think no one puts Bill Russell in the goat conversation, he was a great champion not greatest player). The 80's players changed the way basketball was played, a player that would have played center in Russell era was playing point guard. I would start from 1980 and on....
@JCMthebrand
@JCMthebrand Жыл бұрын
But he’s consistent lol at the very least
@antione
@antione Жыл бұрын
@@lakerraiders9285 Bill Russell was 6’8 on a good day and standing on a phone book.
@johnlewis399
@johnlewis399 Жыл бұрын
@@lakerraiders9285 yep. Man wouldn’t average 22 boards in the 90s
@gumballwaterson1957
@gumballwaterson1957 Жыл бұрын
@@johnlewis399 He prolly wouldn't, but since Rodman averaged bout 19 and was about a little shorter, the narrative gotta die that Bill couldn't do similar. Not like anyone outside of Bill and Wilt were doing rebound numbers like that in their time.
@jonesnicholos
@jonesnicholos Жыл бұрын
2:58 hilarious. t-mac in there too now
@Bedrews
@Bedrews Жыл бұрын
1000% agree with arenas, today’s ferrari would smoke 80’s 90’s even 00’s ferrari Just like in basketball
@RonnieFi9
@RonnieFi9 Жыл бұрын
He got McGrady on the show!!!!!! Keep em coming Gil 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@melbrown2295
@melbrown2295 Жыл бұрын
McGrady is a loser…Penny Hardaway was worlds better before injury.
@coachnickens6652
@coachnickens6652 Жыл бұрын
Curry is top 10 all time. He’s a game revolutionizer.
@giq8747
@giq8747 Жыл бұрын
his shooting ability is the best the NBA has ever seen. he's in a class all by himself.
@tyhamell5425
@tyhamell5425 Жыл бұрын
comparing jordan 12 bulls season vs anybody 20+ season make him the goat automatically
@satisfiedcustomer
@satisfiedcustomer Жыл бұрын
The jump and advancement in the NBA from the 70s to the 80s was quite remarkable. We can 100% absolutely thank Michael Jordan for the modern era! Before him it was Bird and Magic...Jordan revolutionized basketball for history. Everything now is an evolution of where Jordan started in 84. He will forever be the GOAT! Edit: correction
@edwardaverros3028
@edwardaverros3028 Жыл бұрын
I think you mean Bird and Magic, Bird and Larry are the same dude
@jayswrld666
@jayswrld666 Жыл бұрын
@@edwardaverros3028 Ong I was bout to say the same shit
@PrimordialBeing360
@PrimordialBeing360 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@kingangel3252
@kingangel3252 Жыл бұрын
@@edwardaverros3028 🤣🤣🤣🤣 never forget he had bird and Larry at first 🤣
@leonbouadi7382
@leonbouadi7382 Жыл бұрын
everyone has to deal with it. Greatness is relative to the era you play in. 90s were load with great players like Charles, Karl, David, Hakeem, Clyde but they got only few rings caus they were in the Jordan era. Same for Wilt within celtics dynasty and Lebron and the KD warriors. Players have to adapt to their time and make parameters tend to their advantage an it's what makes them" GREAT". That's why the 2011 mavs ring is remarkable regarding their path although Karl losses to mj, Bron to warriors and C's are still failures. That's the only reason why Dirk might legitly be considered greater than Karl, despite less individual accolades.
@vincevincent3425
@vincevincent3425 Жыл бұрын
Bron has more rings then KD
@vegetaking1272
@vegetaking1272 Жыл бұрын
@@vincevincent3425 Derrr and? Lmfao. OP knows that buddy. He’s talkin bout LBJ’s 2 extra rings to his resume if it weren’t for 🐍 KD pulling the #1 undisputed weakest/hoe move in NBA history by a superstar caliber plyr period.
@yahyaibnmartey7626
@yahyaibnmartey7626 Жыл бұрын
why is this even a debate. The man Curry has already cemented his legacy 🤷🏿‍♂️. Give the young man his props
@leonalove336
@leonalove336 Жыл бұрын
HIS legacy doesn’t make him top 10
@yagoapolinario552
@yagoapolinario552 Жыл бұрын
Great that they have that top 3 cemented
@confettiRedPill
@confettiRedPill Жыл бұрын
Curry is definitely top 3. My list 1.MJ 2.Kobe 3.Curry 4.James 5.Shaq 6Magic 7.Bird 8.Kareem 9.Tim Duncan 10.Wilt
@Thiiink
@Thiiink Жыл бұрын
Not before Kareem or lbj or TD yet. 2 more finals mvp / maybe 1 more mvp?
@BoosterGoldEarth6
@BoosterGoldEarth6 Жыл бұрын
No Bill Russell, Hakeem. Got Duncan below Steph and Kobe, when he never miss the playoffs. Curry miss the playoffs x5. Kobe couldn't even win a series when he was by himself. Kobe without Phil Jackson is TmAc.
@2FadeMusic
@2FadeMusic Жыл бұрын
no disrespect but Kobe and curry above Lebron is blasphemous. Just say your favorite players if that’s what it is
@Thiiink
@Thiiink Жыл бұрын
@@2FadeMusic curry hasn't passed lbj but if they win a few more - you better believe it.
@melgoat
@melgoat Жыл бұрын
@@2FadeMusic lebron above kobe is blasphemous if lebron your favorite player just say that
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