Is the crucifixion of Jesus historically accurate? Dr. Shabir Ally answers
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11 жыл бұрынDid Jesus die on the Cross?
Was Jesus Christ Crucified as a Willing Sacrifice for the sins of the world?
Did Jesus get crucified according to Islam?
Did Jesus Christ really rise from the dead?
Is there evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?
Representing the Muslim perspective was Shabir Ally: Shabir Ally has earned a B.A. in Religious Studies from Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, with a specialization in Biblical Literature, and an M.A. in Religious Studies from the University of Toronto with a specialization in Quranic Exegesis.
He is now in his third year of Ph.D studies in Quranic Exegesis at the University of Toronto.
He is the president of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto where he functions as Imam.
He travels internationally to represent Islam in public lectures and interfaith dialogues.
He explains Islam on a weekly television program called "Let the Quran Speak.
Representing the Christian side was Rev. Prof. David Seccombe, Rev David is Principal of George Whitfield College, South Africa
He holds BSc Hons from the University of New England, LTh Hons from Moore College & Australian College of Theology), BD Hons from London University), Diploma of Religious Education from Melbourne College of Divinity) and PhD from Cambridge University).
His PhD dissertation is published as Possessions and the Poor in Luke-Acts (Linz: SNTU, 1982).
Other books include Dust to Destiny: Reading Romans Today (Sydney: Aquila, 1996), The King of God's Kingdom: A Solution to the Puzzle of Jesus (Carlisle: Paternoster, 2002). Formerly Rector of St Matthew's Anglican Church in Shenton Park, Western Australia (1979 - 1992),
He was appointed Principal of GWC in 1993. He is an Affiliate Professor of New Testament at North-West University. David is married to Lorraine and they have a son and three daughters.
The Topic of Debate: Did Jesus Really Die on the Cross and Rise From the Dead?
Shabir Ally (www.ShabirAlly.com)
vs.
Prof. David Secombe (www.gwc.ac.za)
( Kramer Bldg, UCT, University of Cape Town, South Africa 19th June 2009 )
#ShabirAlly #JesusChrist #Crucifixion #Crucified #Historicity #History #Accurate #Accuracy #Bible #Quran #Christianity #Islam @MuslimbyChoice
@KenDSigma 10 жыл бұрын
For those going thru something or as U say suffering in the world, for the Believer we are told "Be sure We shall TEST you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods, lives, and the fruits of your toil. But give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere. Those who say, when afflicted with calamity, 'To Allah we belong, and to Him is our return.' They are those on whom descend blessings from their Lord, and mercy. They are the ones who receive guidance." (2:155-157) keyword:Test
@isorokudono 7 жыл бұрын
There were no black people in America before slavery. Sorry. Those marxist fucked your brain.
@KenDSigma 10 жыл бұрын
That's your opinion. I bear witness that there is no god/diety worthy of worship except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad was his servant and His messenger.
@al-ameenmarcos267 5 жыл бұрын
For All Muslim use your common sense this is from your Qur'an; ٥٥ إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنْتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ 55 Allah said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, and raising you to Me, and clearing you of those who disbelieve. And I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return; then I will judge between you regarding what you were disputing. Christian more superior than Muslim and any body in this planet! Go back to check your Qur'an they will guide to become a good Christian! Mateo 16:14 -19 This is for Christian go back and read your Bible dont Argued but share your Love ,! John 24:21 : This commanded by Lord Jesu's Christ and every Christian obey the Law Lord Jesu's Christ did not command for debate!
@s4sad101 11 жыл бұрын
Wht is guy name whoz standing behind bro shabir. .I heard him once but forgot d name
@mohammadsayed6373 5 жыл бұрын
TRUTH shall prevail in the end-Inshallah
@michaelsylfad842 9 жыл бұрын
"And he (Jesus) began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men." [Mark8:31-33] Therefore, any man or any religion that denies the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus must have been inspired by the spirit of satan.
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
after their disheartening failure to gain significant headway in Palestine, most Christian success in Acts is gained in the Diaspora--and not just geographically, but ideologically: Diaspora Jews had the most cosmopolitan outlook, and had either been pagans or understood pagan ideals quite well. It should not surprise us that they were the most receptive to the Christian mission
@KenDSigma 10 жыл бұрын
Where does Jesus say in the Bible that his blood saves you or his death when G-D in the OT had already said that by G-d's Grace ye are saved. Why does Jesus or any other man have to die. In Ezekial, G-d ask what good is a dead man to him? Ezekial 18 shows people being saved and granted everlasting life. The story of Jonah, no blood or animal sacrifices, yet Ninevah repented and was SAVED? So it is a farce to teach ppl that they are born in SIN and that they can't be saved unless Jesus dies on XR
@isorokudono 7 жыл бұрын
In a religion that believes in BLOOD SACRIFICE how does God cover the sin of the entirety of human existence?
@s4sad101 11 жыл бұрын
Thnx Muslim by choice for telling me about bro yousaf name. Jazak Allahu khair..
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
N. T. Wright that belief in Christ's resurrection "was held by a tiny group who, for the first two or three generations at least, could hardly have mounted a riot in a village, let alone a revolution in an empire." That's not an impressive rate of success. In fact, it's downright dismal.
@MuslimByChoice 11 жыл бұрын
That's bro Yusuf Ismail from South Africa, he's debating James White this October
@cmo0429 11 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ never promotes physical preservation. Instead He exposes the sinful heart man and tells us that without Him we can do nothing. Vain religious works can't bring redemption to our fallen condition or change our hearts, but Christ can.
@KenDSigma 10 жыл бұрын
The only way any of us can say what G-dAll-Mighty has said is to reveal what's in the Book. That's how we back up what we are saying. like for instance: "Seek Allah's help with patient perseverance and prayer. It is indeed hard except for those who are humble." (2:45) "Oh you who believe! Seek help with patient perseverance and prayer, for God is with those who patiently persevere." (2:153) See these verses are addressed to the Believers, not the non-believers. You'll get it if U R a Believer
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
Acts suggests the mission was taken to the Gentiles because Jews simply weren't buying it anymore.Where Christianity was most open to being checked against the facts is where it was least successful.
@elielias6006 11 жыл бұрын
Neither crucified Nor killed him, but God raised him, to come back again in order to judge people for calling him a god, and he will destroy the cross and invite people to worship only one God, the God of Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Joseph, Moses, Jonah, Jesus, Muhammed, our God, the only one Creator
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
Where Christianity was most open to being checked against the facts is where it was least successful.
@megag52 10 жыл бұрын
but its not a very good response though is it?
@grubeci 10 жыл бұрын
Jihad is old fashioned I think like crusades. Zakat is always in demand and needed...and probably harder....quick fights versus long sacrifices and mercy.
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
Paul said, ?It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
@muhammadkhairulizat 5 жыл бұрын
Hey common the so called “Jesus” was not there anymore, and for certain that was not Nabi Isa, but how would you know that was “Jesus” Nabi Isa?? 🤔🤔
@cmo0429 10 жыл бұрын
When you have a perfect, holy, righteous God, and sinful unholy human beings who were created in God's image but became alienated from Him, there must be another provision to bridge this broken relationship and to reconcile sinners back to the Father. This perfect One is Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God. Isaiah 53 states that He became a sin or a guilt offering. You should read that whole chapter. It will answer many of your questions friend.
@pamuk7 10 жыл бұрын
Sam wrong. No muslim denies the event of cruicifiction historically. Accept how it took place it is disputed.
@cmo0429 10 жыл бұрын
Well Jesus did tell His disciples that unless they ate His flesh and drank His blood, there would be no life in them. Leviticus 16&17 speak of blood atonement. Hebrews 9:22 says "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." The OT is filled with sacrifices that were a shadow of Christ who was to come to be the final sacrifice for sin. "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"
@1876alamo 11 жыл бұрын
Who really knows unless you were there??
@ImyManzProductions 10 жыл бұрын
Neither was yours, you just butted in and said "he's not a prophet, god isn't real", it seems like you didn't understand the point of kado's comment and just tried to stir up another "does-god-exist?" argument, just for kicks. You are derailing the subject here. Furthermore, Muslims have never held the position that God "needs people" to run messages for Him.
@grubeci 10 жыл бұрын
Jesus got a lot done with fasting. (inner and outer daemons) Prayer is thinking toward God.
@afgiraqiamericansufiwarrio1583 10 жыл бұрын
Quran says Jesus is a shaheed
@MichaelH__J 8 жыл бұрын
Where? Keep in mind jesus didn't die
@isorokudono 7 жыл бұрын
That would be the one time the Romans failed to kill someone. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA How does it feel to be dumber than a stone?
@Abdul_Aziz919 5 жыл бұрын
@@isorokudono Jesus died in 3 hours from sitting in a tree? Now you tell me who's dumber than a stone
@isorokudono 5 жыл бұрын
@@Abdul_Aziz919 It was more like 6 hours.
@georgesteele2157 6 жыл бұрын
I will believe in Jesus rising from the dead then anything claimed by Mohammed.
@S.Mir786 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus was Middle Eastern just like Muhammad not an European Christian like you!
@georgesteele2157 3 жыл бұрын
@@S.Mir786 Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah. He was not like Mohamed. My beliefs come from those Christian communities that sprang up in the Land of Israel, after his resurrection and spread throughout the Roman Empire and then the World. The only thing you proved in your post, was that you are racist. Jesus did not come to save the people of the Middle East; he came to save the World entire.
@KenDSigma 10 жыл бұрын
Deuteronomy 21:23 reveals that (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) and the king of confusion Paul's Galatians claims Jesus was Cursed. Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole." So to say that Jesus was crucified or died on a pole/tree/cross(they are all made from wood) is to admit from one's tongue that a prophet of G-d was cursed. Subhan-Allah that would be a False Charge-LIE
@megag52 10 жыл бұрын
yes cos Mo isnt important in islam at all as a prophet and god does all his message running himself (sarcastic tone used). My points were all excellent as Agnostics usually are. Dont blame me that muslims never come up with anything better than "it true because i want it to be"
@mrrichardrichie 11 жыл бұрын
the protestant jesus fails to convince the crowds that he was yhwh incarnate all the crowds in jerusalem saw him as nothing more than a man. the jews , according to the nt, were more convincing than all of jesus' miracles and lengthy speeches in the temples. the jews changed hearts and minds in 2 days . it took the man god miracles day after day and speeches day after day and in the end pulled only few and out of the FEW only some were convinced he was a sacrificed god.
@grubeci 10 жыл бұрын
Prophets control the parents or people looking for leadership and parents control the children. When we are adults we may look at the facts of all the religious. I hope the UN passes with all countries freedom of religion laws. It has kept the USA pretty peaceful. Were not all Christians..were Catholics, Protestants, Methodists, Jews, etc. Prince of peace. King of Kings. Aim for less pain and beast and more pleasure and englightenment. Your pal friend Sean
@megag52 10 жыл бұрын
mostly because i dont believe in god. (if you wanna know why i dont believe in god its cos theres to much suffering around)
@isorokudono 7 жыл бұрын
Satan controls this world, not God. Read Job, you'll get why.
@fidelcatsro6948 Жыл бұрын
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@zahraabdullah4154 Жыл бұрын
Your kittens are fasting this Ramadan or no
@fidelcatsro6948 Жыл бұрын
@@zahraabdullah4154 theyre all eating like tiger! fasting not required under animal sharia..God made it easier for them🐱👍🏿
@megag52 10 жыл бұрын
except hes not a prophet because god isnt real. that solves that prob
@peterwinston1028 9 жыл бұрын
a discussion about what said a charlatan in the desert of arabia (muhammad), denying the cross and insulting the witnesses (Mary and the apostles), saying that they were fool believing the cross and resurrection of Jesus, but without saying what happened, because a charlatan do not knows anything, is a very stupid thing...
@mgoeldi2007 9 жыл бұрын
every Muslim needs to watch this on You Tube: Nabeel Qureshi: Islam Through the Eyes of Muslims - Apologetics to Islam
@isorokudono 7 жыл бұрын
What is that?? Like sorry for killing gays and Christians and each other?? Jesus Wept.
@cmo0429 11 жыл бұрын
The Qur'an is the only ancient document that denies Jesus was crucified. Every other historical text claims that He was and all 4 gospels record it. A book written 600 years later can't alter this truth. The Qur'an makes a false inaccurate claim.
@SatanicLight 6 жыл бұрын
craigdoc29 The Quran does not deny it.
@successse8244 5 жыл бұрын
It's your bible which is against it
@rickyspicer8014 6 жыл бұрын
SHABIR is paving his on way to HELL! And he is doing it quite eloquently at that.
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