Was Paul A Liar? - Dr. Shabir Ally answers Mike Licona

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MuslimByChoice

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2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Shabir Ally is president of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto, Canada. He is a Muslim activist, academic, scholar and public speaker on Islam and comparative religion. He is viewed as the leading Muslim debater in the world on Islam and Christianity, having engaged in public debates around the world with noted theologians, Christian apologists and renowned philosophers. Dr. Shabir Ally holds an M.A. and PhD in Islamic studies from the University of Toronto, and a BA in religious studies from Laurentian University with a specialization in Biblical Literature. He is the author of numerous booklets on Islam and Christianity.

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@ThatSocratesguy
@ThatSocratesguy 2 жыл бұрын
It's clear that Paul's teaching is at odds with the teaching of James the brother of Jesus. Because James and his followers kept following the Law after Jesus passed, meanwhile Paul was going around calling those who kept the law and circumcised etc evil dogs. But then when he visited James and Jerusalem and they put him to the test, then Paul, became 'all things to all men' again, being the charlatan that he is.. We see in Acts 21:17-26 that James definitely believed that OT laws such as circumcision and dietary laws too were binding on Jewish believers in Jesus, and 4 laws binding even on gentile believers. In contrast to Paul who proclaimed that the Law is no longer binding. We read in Acts 21 that James the leader of the Jerusalem, and his followers made Paul follow some OT law for him to prove that he had not abandoned it: Acts 21:17-26 17 When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. 18 The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19 Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them."
@innocentodinkemere4597
@innocentodinkemere4597 2 жыл бұрын
The analysis here is actually without deep reasoning *How do we ascertain what what James the Brother of Jesus followed?* *Acts 21:17-26* is not proof that James disagreed with Paul. First Paul and his group were warmly received. *17 When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly* Secondly, when James and the elders had Paul's reports from Paul himself, they praised God. Then they informed Paul there are some Jewish converts who reported that Paul teach the jews leaving among the Gentiles to forsake the law. James and the elders now advised Paul to take 4 men who made a vow and join in their purification. This does not show they had any conflict with Paul or disagreed with Paul's preaching however, they did not believe in the report of the Jewish converts. They stated their reason very clearly *Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law* *Paul's reception by the Council at Jerusalem* From the above these facts are clear that the council at Jerusalem 1. Received Paul warmly 2. Did not believe that Paul was teaching anything contrary to the law of God 3. There is no indication that Paul taught anything contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ 4. Paul did not have any differences with James 5. Paul carried out the purification rites for the sole purpose of showing that the report against him was a lie and he was not breaking the law. The contrary argument is actually based on fiction and a total misunderstanding of the Bible. Fiction because there is no supporting evidence. Ignorance because the people who argue it do not have reasoning knowledge of and understanding of the Bible.
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
Socrates masha Allah well said.. and also in Galatians he called disciples hypocrite! all Paul´s credential is he claim to see a vision in the road to Damascus!! self reported vision!! in one he saw light, in another the account say he Only heard a voice!! amazing !! I guess he uses his power from Roman to impose his view so to divide their faith and romanized , peganize them so they won´t be a threat to Rome! see the ending a prophet of God lied about that he claim being son of God, and crucified, and Paul becoming the main Prophet.. Jesus did not end up being a humble disciples rather he was depicted a liar (in torah he is cursed who is hung on tree) so Paul knew that verse ..later other writes added that paul said (he is curse but FOR US) very clear..
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
About Paul: 1. His past was a bounty hunter , hunting down and porscuted Pure Jesus's followers. 2. He never met Jesus nor seen him said by Christian scholars. 3. Paul only credential is self reported vision, in one account he saw light in another he ONLY heard a voice! After his conversion: 4. He called disciples hypocrites in Galatians 2:11-21. 5.He taught different gospel yet accused disciples of teaching a different gospel. 6. He abolished the laws, Jesus says not even a tittle , a jot , a dot.. 7. Disciples in Galatians were observing the law after Jesus pbuh had left the scene! If they understood that the law was abolished because Jesus was supposedly killed for their sins they would not continue practicing it. 8. He contradicted Jesus teaching in many instances 9. Disciples in act 5 last verse, I think 42, says they went preaching that Jesus was the messiah .. Muslims agree on that message, yet Paul in act 9 -20 went saying Jesus was son of God!! 10- This strange new claim that Almighty has a son all of sudden after thousands of years of monotheism and the introduction of Trinity when previous prophets say God is one.. and Jesus confirming it "of all commandment the most impo. one is Hear O Israel the lord our God the lord is ONE" should be the The REAL DEAL. Quran says God is one too. 11. Prodigal son story shows that God forgive without blood, the sin of the father shall not be burden on the son etc.. nor the son sins is burden on the father.. When this is taken in consideration and how disciples called Paul and made him observe the law and he did in front of them .. it means that he was infiltrator agent for Roman to divide the early followers of Jesus, weaken them and peganize them .. Just 1st commandment is a dead give away that what Paul preached was wrong. thanks for your reply, may God grant you wisdom , guidance and light since He is the light of heaven and earth and all of us ameen I ask you by The One who hears the flow of your blood in your smallest blood vessel if your father died when you are a little baby, would you trust the account about a person who never met your father but claim to seen him in a dream OR his friends who ate, spoke, and walked with your father? Imagine a more Pious than your father, than all of us, the disciples credibility or Paul's? Which is more probable: God let a prophet choose disciples who turned to be hypocrites and that could not keep Jesus teaching correctly yet reward a criminal who have dedicated big part of his life prosecuting Jesus and his disciples the reward of a vision and give him apostle status!! Which is more probable? Especially that you KNOW too will that you read accounts about the accused disciples made by Paul himself because. These views are made by Paul himself!! God hear your answer. May He make you reflect brother.
@phenomenal17playz
@phenomenal17playz 2 жыл бұрын
@Holy King James Bible "Scholars aren't reliable these days" whom should we listen? There are already 5500+ manuscripts and different translations on the text. A text has several interpretations. What interpretation and which one is plausible how you can understand it without scholarly opinion? You can't interpret texts or scriptures just randomly. You don't know Hebrew or Greek so basically whom we should listen? We try to apply reasons and explaination from those who are expert on this field. "Most of them are unbelievers." It's basically ad hominen. Arguing and establishing history you don't need to have beliefs in religion. Even a Muslim or Jewish historian can ask the historical questions of new Testament. Now that's true scholars aren't angel or God, they can make mistakes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't trust them. And scholars becoming apostate when they realize the bible has full of errors and not word of God. Even most conservative scholars also arguing the inerrancy of the bible.
@innocentodinkemere4597
@innocentodinkemere4597 2 жыл бұрын
@Allhumdullilah for Islam Respect is key for human harmony and peace. I actually wanted to ignore you but decided otherwise. Note this human beings are basically free agents and will always follow their paths. I do not think there is any religion in this world without many sects, understandings and interpretations. I will welcome your contrary education on this.
@phenomenal17playz
@phenomenal17playz 2 жыл бұрын
The most indisputable fact in history is Paul never met Jesus in the first place.
@friedpickles342
@friedpickles342 2 жыл бұрын
Jews like you hate Paul
@logicalconceptofficial
@logicalconceptofficial 2 жыл бұрын
But we’ve all met logos. People, even Moshe, get/got confused by the infinite mind (collective consciousness and what some people wrongly call the “god-head” even though mind is not God, and mind, even the primary logos, comes from logic/god) and the contact they had with it. People who take consciousness expanding substances (as many people including Moshe probably did) experience this mind “on-demand” and, as I did at first, and for a long time until I thought through these things a little more, they think this part of the mind they interact with is God. I am quite sure this is the “Jesus” Paul met. Considering that logos is all people, if you kept asking it things like “are you Jesus?” It would say yes. The question to ask then would be “are you only Jesus?”, and the answer would be no. Logos (the field) is all logos (individual minds), just a the field of math is all math, but 2+2=4 is not all math or the field of mathematical logic itself. The obvious reality remains, that a mind does not exist without being logical (existing) and a mind cannot guarantee sanity by simply being coherent with itself (making a God unto itself), it must be coherent with logic, the one true God, like all other things that exist (unconscious creation) or are consciously created by the mind, which itself exists (eternally) because it is so logical. Only if “Jesus” is a metaphor for logical reasoning does it follow that “Jesus is the only son of God through which all that was consciously created was made”. Know god/logic through god/Logic and you will have any questions answered that you may have. You don’t need any middleman. You are consciousness and every mind that has ever been is connected through the primary logos aka the field of mind. There is only mystery (uncertainty) if you do not use logic and “reckon with you creator” to make it through the darkness. Those who devote themselves to logic (worship the real god) will never be led astray by it. Those who defy logic, the real God, will suffer from their own incoherence, until they submit to the will of Allah…
@logicalconceptofficial
@logicalconceptofficial 2 жыл бұрын
History isnt logic, therefore it is not a certain fact. Even the events of the JFK assassination (and I’m not a conspiracy theorist) are not 100% certain and that was only about 60 years ago…. If it’s not logical proof you should not derive certainty from it, as it will be false certainty. Science is not proof either, just a bunch of evidence based conclusions that are 99.9% likely at best, unless like a lot of “modern science” (which we should just call logic) it includes logical proofs, usually in the form of mathematical logic, that are not actually science done using the scientific method. The true God must be able to prove itself circularly, it must be not only the “unmoved mover” (already proven to exist by Aristotle), but maybe more importantly, it must be the “self proving prover”, and must be able to prove/create itself from itself and by itself… The only real candidate for this, that is not some kind of illogical/mythological bullshit, is the very thing Aristotle worshipped (devoted himself to) and proved the unmoved mover with. It must be logic itself, and it is! Logic is tautological, it is what it is, and it made everything everything (x=x) and nonexistence nonexistent (0=0). This is our true source of salvation, and what keeps even the most wicked person from being nothing. Nothing is nothing because logic (god) is too logical (sensible/true) to not be logical (exist).
@logicalconceptofficial
@logicalconceptofficial 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t listen to Paul but also don’t hate him, many LSD tripping hippies make similar errors when they encounter logos in ways that are out of the ordinary and get thrown off into incoherence by the “weirdness” of the mind. Minds, meaning all parts of the field of mind, must be coherent though if we want paradise. It’s a tall order but possible and in progress. People are slowly learning (at least I am lol) and we will get there…..we have all the time in the world and it’s an inevitability, but if we spread the truth, that logic is God and all mankind must know him and worship him, then it could cut out a lot of our own suffering (logos is one, and all suffering is your suffering so don’t think “doing you” is a valid option), and that is a noble thing to do. Spread knowledge of logic/god so we can overcome the illogical bullshit and stop suffering from the chaos.
@hallildiallo6781
@hallildiallo6781 2 жыл бұрын
It's like 1+1+1=3 but still some humans wanna make it 1.
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine that Abu jahal claiming seeing a vision on the road to Medina!!! Then we allow him to write 14 chapters of Quran and in those writing he call Sahaba! hypocrite!! tremendous!!
@mohamedmo8128
@mohamedmo8128 2 жыл бұрын
Paul = Musaylama 😂😂😂
@chinugee
@chinugee 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedmo8128 If a strong men among Jesus were there, definitely he will chop Paul's head. Jesus would actually need A companion like Omar. unfortunately none was there
@mohamedmo8128
@mohamedmo8128 2 жыл бұрын
@@chinugee Jesus' followers lived under the Romans and Paul was a Roman citizen. That's why they couldn't do much to stop him. Even the Gospels suggest that there was a dispute between Paul and James. James continued to keep the laws. Paul taught that you don't have to keep all the commandments if you believe in Jesus' sacrifice.
@mohamedmo8128
@mohamedmo8128 2 жыл бұрын
@@seeki3315 You shouldn't parrot everything that you hear from Christian Prince. Ibn Kathir narratates several explanations, as well as several possible identities. In his conclusion he states that it's unlikely for those messengers to have been people who were sent by Jesus.
@justarshad8354
@justarshad8354 2 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳😳😳
@swaterman2017
@swaterman2017 2 жыл бұрын
Shabir ally is a lion may Allah bless him
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 2 жыл бұрын
Shabir ally is a lie-in' may Allah bless him
@blacktwitterforlaughs4743
@blacktwitterforlaughs4743 2 жыл бұрын
I never enjoy any speaker like Dr Shabir Ally. He is so amazing. He completely obliterates Paul's Chhristology
@Provision600
@Provision600 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Hitler was on the road to Berlin and saw a vision of Moses.
@osumanaaa9982
@osumanaaa9982 2 жыл бұрын
damn... that's by far one of the best comparisons one can give.
@RidwanAlQudbi
@RidwanAlQudbi 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing 👌 you really made excellent one
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
Or like Abu jahal claiming seeing a vision on the road to Medina!!! Then we allow him to write 14 chapters of Quran and in those writing he call Sahaba! hypocrite!! can you believe this! so tremendous!!
@majorFiqrieFaisal
@majorFiqrieFaisal 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@Provision600
@Provision600 2 жыл бұрын
I got this example from Sheikh Khalid Yasin.
@fidelcatsro6948
@fidelcatsro6948 2 жыл бұрын
Dont be anywhere near Paul on Judgement day!!
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
Shabir demonstrates very clearly that Paul is self appointed.. I would stick with Jesus words and the disciples whom Jesus chose (if they were bad God would not let Jesus choose them ) why would God make Jesus be surrounded by hypocrites (as paul claimed they were) and than give Paul, a bounty hunter who gave hard time to Jesus and disciples, a vision.. In one account he saw light, in another Paul ONLY heard a voice!! so clear.. Ma sha Allah Shabir is so knowledgeable!! May God give him light, long life and jannah..
@wicomms
@wicomms 2 жыл бұрын
Then why did Jesus choose Judas?!
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
Hi @@wicomms To get his punishment for being hypocrite. and in passing, or aside note, check Judas ending!! In Matthew 27:3-5, Judas tells the chief priests and elders, "'I have sinned,' he said, 'for I have betrayed innocent blood.' 'What is that to us?' they replied. 'That's your responsibility.' So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." Yet in Acts "With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood." Acts 1:18-19. it shows that bible is not very reliable in its accounts. It contain words of God and errors too. Dead Saints who came from their graves in the supposed day where Jesus was resurrected , they walked the city people saw them.. Is not that a huge miracle..? then why it is not mentioned in the Roman account and more importantly , if you reflect, why it is only mentioned in Mathew Account.. if it were true, such huge extraordinary miracle would be mentioned by the other three gospels!! It is not me against you, it is about salvation, I do not gain anything from contradicting wrong part of the bible .. I just invite you to reflect, we believe in Jesus as Prophet, word of God (meaning God said "be" and he becomes, just like the creation of Adam which is a bigger sign because he was created from neither a father nor a mother yet we do not worship him). Wicom, may God guide you and give yo light and all of us ameen. Feel free to debate, refute me etc.. God love us to talk about his path and conisder it one of the highest deeds, literally he hear us all time.. :)
@wicomms
@wicomms 2 жыл бұрын
@@sutil5078 look at the 3rd comment
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
I forget tomentions this "Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. " (Matthew 27:51-53). Isn't that a tremendous miracle? The majority of Christian scholars say it is not a true account and kindly call it "embellishment," but really it is a forgery and corruption. Can you see the attempt to deify Jesus? Another proof: According to the Gospel, in the baptism scene, John the Baptist (Yahya) pbuh, while baptizing Jesus, he supposedly heard a heavenly voice saying, "This is my Son with whom I am pleased." The passage says, "THEY ALL HEARD IT." The heavenly voice (aka God voice because it says "this is my son." Wicom, Is it not an extraordinary account to hear God's blessed voice? a unique huge miracle if you ask me!! If that happened to you and me , clear sinners and mere mortals, would we forget such an event? Would John the Baptist, a great prophet, forget such a unique miracle? Certainly not. Then why did John the Baptist later, when he was in prison, send men to ask Jesus who he was? In addition, Jesus said, "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have NEITHER heard His voice at ANY TIME, nor seen His form. " John 5-37. That alone disprove that people heard God voice in the baptism story. Rather, that passage with the heavenly voice is added by scribes, not a true account to deify Jesus. Instead, the Gospel says John, from prison, sent men to ask Jesus if he was the one or should they wait for another one. meaning ( is he the messiah, Jesus, or the LAST prophet, Muhammad pbuh). They knew from the Torah that there were 3 prophets to come after Moses, and now we know that they were Jesus, John the Baptist, and Muhammad, May peace be upon them all. May God grant you light, since he is the light of Heaven and Earth, and shower you with mercy and guidance and your loved ones, and all of us, ameen.
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
@@wicomms the arrangement of comments may differ in mobile than in laptop as I use laptop etc.. tell me the the original poster name (so I can look for it), have a great day.
@HeroDai2448
@HeroDai2448 2 жыл бұрын
as tovia singer said: stay away from paul on the day of judgement
@majorFiqrieFaisal
@majorFiqrieFaisal 2 жыл бұрын
god judgement : all pigs eaters will go to hell ..😠😠 jews : we ate kosher we followed god commands ..☺️☺️ muslims : we ate halal we followed god commands ..☺️☺️ christians : we ate everything we followed paul command 😭😭
@amd1706
@amd1706 2 жыл бұрын
Stay away from Tovia Singer as well
@swaterman2017
@swaterman2017 2 жыл бұрын
@@majorFiqrieFaisal 😂😂😂😂
@swaterman2017
@swaterman2017 2 жыл бұрын
@@seeki3315 dont you know the meaning of messengers ..? A messenger can be anybody holding a message to deliver ..
@swaterman2017
@swaterman2017 2 жыл бұрын
@Hey Jude after reading your comment I watch the video it does contain what you stated but it was also edited . Could you send me the video I only managed to find a brief one
@360degreeproductions8
@360degreeproductions8 2 жыл бұрын
"Was paul a lier". Short answer, yes. Long answer..... yes....😑🧐🙄
@tacom0nsta658
@tacom0nsta658 2 жыл бұрын
yes, yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
@swaraykamarah9298
@swaraykamarah9298 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂🤣
@godfreystoby9800
@godfreystoby9800 2 жыл бұрын
360Degree Production, for your disrespect, brother Paul is going to smite you!!
@countzero2712
@countzero2712 2 жыл бұрын
@@godfreystoby9800 he a basic dead human and poet
@TheMrpalid
@TheMrpalid 2 жыл бұрын
Yesssssssssss
@warakanda7356
@warakanda7356 2 жыл бұрын
SubhanAllah Alhamdulillah Walailahaillallah May Allah SWT guide those who reverted to Islam, to the true teaching of Islam and being an obedient Muslim, will grant them and all the Ummah with a place in Jannah. Aamiin🌙🕌🤲💕
@godfreystoby9800
@godfreystoby9800 2 жыл бұрын
Eye opener. Dr. Shabir Ally's information on Paul is really something to check out. Why I say this is because, Why is the words of Paul more popular, and more prevalent than the words of God Almighty in the church? God Almighty is not pleased one bit. As a matter of fact, His anger is getting hotter, as we have thrown HIS words behind us, and created a "New Testament." We are wrong.
@ayhemshaban9745
@ayhemshaban9745 2 жыл бұрын
Paul said it himself, he himself is a liar and a fraud. "For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?" (Romans 3:7) "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under law), so as to win those under the law."(Corinthians 9:20
@gawegame4890
@gawegame4890 2 жыл бұрын
most ex muslim that said saw jesus had the same symptome as paul they dont want to abide the islam syariah law the same as paul didnt want to abide the jew law
@NeoLegendX
@NeoLegendX 2 жыл бұрын
Literally the beginning what Mike said is what he was
@jeanmichel9207
@jeanmichel9207 2 жыл бұрын
This is good starting for people want to know who is Paul m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e6lio7aeqJ6vcp8.html
@ThatSocratesguy
@ThatSocratesguy 2 жыл бұрын
If it's true what Licona said and the apostles were cool with Paul and gave him a fistbump, then how do you explain the following meeting between Paul and James? We read in Acts 21 that James the leader of the Jerusalem, and his followers made Paul follow some OT law for him to prove that he had not abandoned it: Acts 21:17-26 17 When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. 18 The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19 Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them." So it's clear that they were at odds. Paul was going around telling people that those who keep the old law, dietary laws, circumcise etc. are evil dogs and mutilators of the flesh, while James and his followers clearly still upheld the law and circumcision and dietary laws etc.
@NeoLegendX
@NeoLegendX 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatSocratesguy Acts is a fabrication and I don't believe it. You read James then come back.
@ThatSocratesguy
@ThatSocratesguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@NeoLegendX okay interesting I havent met many christians who say acts is fabricated. Pauls vision also goes out the window then? I havent read book of James fully, but doesnt he say that faith without works is useless. And isnt that at odds with what Paul says?
@ThatSocratesguy
@ThatSocratesguy 2 жыл бұрын
@Just Tama acts was not written by Paul?
@openyuheyeby8674
@openyuheyeby8674 2 жыл бұрын
You know you have great content. May Allah bless you.
@iyaddarwish5205
@iyaddarwish5205 2 жыл бұрын
Paul never lived with Jesus, never ate with him, or hangout with him. In the book of Barnabas “Joseph “ who was one of Jesus disciples, it was said that Barnabas told Paul that he is not teaching Jesus teachings, & what his preaching was all wrong
@charliegarcia6677
@charliegarcia6677 2 жыл бұрын
@Gods love Agape facts, spitting bars bruh
@deanali6999
@deanali6999 2 жыл бұрын
@Gods love Agape Your god took so much trouble to act out a drama ending nailed to the cross just to atone your sins? Being god why didn’t he just declared that every one of your sins will be absolved no matter how big the crime is. 😝
@jeanmichel9207
@jeanmichel9207 2 жыл бұрын
@@rohan7224 so Paul is true preacher let examined that first go to this video in the link below the scholar is speaking Arabic but there's English subtitles if you can justify our prove he is wrong let me know we're here to learn the link is below m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7eEZtCptJu7hok.html
@matthewn2559
@matthewn2559 2 жыл бұрын
@Gods love Agape Thank you for your great responses to Muslims.
@haj2961
@haj2961 2 жыл бұрын
@Gods love Agape we know through act that Paul was at odds with James and the elders , Paul was teaching an alien religion to the one jesus taught his disciples, now fast forward 600 years , the Quran confirms the fallacy of Paul's teachings , i don't know how you Christians fail to recognize a liar is beyond me !.
@AereForst
@AereForst 2 жыл бұрын
For a good exposé of Paulinism, read James Tabor’s “Paul and Jesus”. Christianity today is nothing but Pauline paganism
@yazanalkhalaileh9518
@yazanalkhalaileh9518 2 жыл бұрын
Matt is not listening because he knows these are just fairy tales
@abdirahmanissack4873
@abdirahmanissack4873 2 жыл бұрын
Paul was just an imposter .He changed many teachings of jesus.He was the one who introduced trinity in Christianity
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
The trinity is not in the bible. I am christian. That came nearly 400 years later.
@aliimran9929
@aliimran9929 2 жыл бұрын
Very true and on marit, clarification. Good job, Shabir Allay.
@youneskhouloud2504
@youneskhouloud2504 2 жыл бұрын
yes he is a liar i mean come on even the disciples called him a liar so is every jewish christian in the first century
@rfikss
@rfikss 2 жыл бұрын
Day by day, with so many scholars like Sir Deedat, Shabbir, Zakir, Norman and many others, Christianity is very clear now, its Paul teaching nd never was Jesus pbuh him teaching. Wake up my Christian brothers and sisters to check the Quran, a book stay as promised by God with its originality from the day Prophets Mohammed till the end of the world. Its Miracle that there millions of memorizes of this book. Its the most recited book daily in the world especially 5 times a day in prayers besides its recitations by billion outside of the prayers times.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think is the difference between Paul and Christ?
@allwillberevealed777
@allwillberevealed777 Жыл бұрын
They are your brothers? These people never cared for Torah or the teachings of "Jesus" who they claim to love. 😒 These people just want an idol after themselves.
@theholyquran3102
@theholyquran3102 2 жыл бұрын
صلوا على نبينا محمد
@hashmatshaik9422
@hashmatshaik9422 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god How he remembers all this.Subhanallah
@mentalismification
@mentalismification Ай бұрын
Excellent summary, Dr. Shabir. All that info in 7 min, great conclusion. I agree: "People" should make up their mind whether they want to follow Jesus' teachings or Paul's claims. Choose your prophet! Follow the truth, not what seems convenient, don't sell your Hereafter for a strip of bacon !
@jamalmerzouk3651
@jamalmerzouk3651 Ай бұрын
Paul said God choose to reveal his son in me. A self proclaimed renegade
@mohammedfaisal5220
@mohammedfaisal5220 2 жыл бұрын
Paul's was opportunistic, he saw ppl soft heart towards Jesus and take use of this to glorify his Idea
@garrettabdullah8351
@garrettabdullah8351 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to ABOLISH the law or the prophets, I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Matt 5:17 Paul says "Christ has abolished the law" Ephesians 2:15
@mohdhafiz9955
@mohdhafiz9955 2 жыл бұрын
That how we Muslim judge some new false prophet wannabe, if they teach contradictory to prophet Muhammad teaching, it absolutely false
@allwillberevealed777
@allwillberevealed777 Жыл бұрын
Someone please tell me where this debate with Dr Shabir is from.
@zahraabdullah4154
@zahraabdullah4154 Жыл бұрын
Here's the link kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b61oaK-ovLO2pp8.html
@truthtruth1997
@truthtruth1997 2 жыл бұрын
Jes , jes, Paul succeeded!! He destroyed christianety from within, verry smart. He changed the scripture from within. Now Christians follow him instead of Jesus.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand, I am Christian. What do you think Paul changed? the teachings are the same to me.
@truthtruth1997
@truthtruth1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 so i see , you never read the bible 😏
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
@@truthtruth1997 Test me. Ask me anything. I've read about Christianity/ Islam for decades. I don't believe in the trinity.
@truthtruth1997
@truthtruth1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 no, go get a live .I have better things to do. Live the coran and the soenna.
@Ballu12345
@Ballu12345 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus Said "And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell". Matthew 5:22 Jesus Said "Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift"? Matthew 23:19
@Sheed-vx7wm
@Sheed-vx7wm 2 жыл бұрын
Alhamdulilah for Allah's guidance of us to Islam. May He keep us on His straight path forgive all if our sins great and small and forbid us the punishment of the Hellfire the punishment of the grave the punishment of the Day of Judgment and may He reward us as Muslims with Firdaus n Jannah and make our best day the day we meet Him.
@nurudeenmusah9449
@nurudeenmusah9449 2 жыл бұрын
Dr shabir Ali peace unto you
@miguelsureda9762
@miguelsureda9762 2 жыл бұрын
Tsunami of ex Muslims on the net and in the world
@karimalkurd1551
@karimalkurd1551 Жыл бұрын
Then you ask them to reas surat al fatiha and the tsunami becomes a wave.
@MohamedShou
@MohamedShou 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of things I never got about Paul and there are Christians out there that put Paul as the second most important person in Christianity after Jesus 🤦🏾‍♂️. Imagine if a random person after the death of Rasoolallah said “I am also a sahabi and met and heard the Prophet himself” every single Sahaba will scrutinise him not just say “ohh ok cool your one of us” haha. This is why I don’t believe the disciples of Jesus actually liked Paul or cared to listen to him, they probably thought he was out of his mind and just said “Yhh Yhh what you are doing is correct” just go get him away from Jerusalem haha
@beastman.330
@beastman.330 2 жыл бұрын
Basically someone corrupted text by adding his own version and many centuries later another person copied and added his own version (corrupted) text and added it on and so on.
@youneskhouloud2504
@youneskhouloud2504 2 жыл бұрын
voila you have the bible buddy and somehow they ascribe it to God well is it all false well according to God in the Quran he said that he sent books and identified the prophets who received them but the bible aint it
@beastman.330
@beastman.330 2 жыл бұрын
@@youneskhouloud2504 the word bible means "book" . Christian's do not have original text in Aramaic, many year's later the original text and the translated is lost .what you have today is all corrupted text and you see that in the red letter bible.
@Asad-2166
@Asad-2166 2 жыл бұрын
Why is shabir audio low and the other dudes clear!
@robertcummins7739
@robertcummins7739 2 жыл бұрын
I in good conscience can not call any one a liar but I can say some people believe other MENS interpretation and extrapolation this is why if a verse is ambiguous you should first find a verse that is clear to explain not vice versa honestly it is back-word thinking.
@sanahoque9321
@sanahoque9321 2 жыл бұрын
Amin
@menmustchangebeforekingdoms
@menmustchangebeforekingdoms 6 ай бұрын
TO ALL THE IGNORANT who are saying that Paul taught AGAINST OBEYING the 10 Commandments: Read this and REPENT !!..."Know you not that THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (1st Corinthians 6:9,10) "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I TELL YOU BEFORE AS I HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (Galatians 5:19-21) "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, WE OURSELVES ARE ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ THE MINISTER OF SIN ? GOD FORBID ! .For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself A TRANSGRESSOR." (Galatians 2:17,18) "What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, , that grace may abound? GOD FORBID !.How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1,2) " What shall we say then? IS THE LAW SIN ? GOD FORBID !. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet....Wherefore THE LAW IS HOLY, and THE COMMANDMENT HOLY, AND JUST, AND GOOD." (Romans 7:7,12)
@blackbeard2313
@blackbeard2313 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't polycarp a pokemon name
@struckingltd.8100
@struckingltd.8100 2 жыл бұрын
St.Paul Changed total Engeel. Example how son of Mary prays? So many versos changed and lots of contradictions in the todays holy Bibel. How its happen?
@Xenaman
@Xenaman 2 жыл бұрын
Pauls writing conflicts with the old testament with the new testament contains fabrications, he was in odds with the disciples of jesus also his background is also dubious.
@Sikandirt
@Sikandirt 2 жыл бұрын
🤲🏻
@eljeve3804
@eljeve3804 2 жыл бұрын
Christians said they are the followers of Christ, but goes everything Jesus stand for and following Paul instead, because Paul teaching is Easier, Just believe and you can do anything you want and still goes to heaven
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
Then why did Paul say: 1 Corinthians 6:9 : "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men a 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
@eljeve3804
@eljeve3804 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 Paul in galatians said that Jesus is cursed though. And every christians agreed with Paul.
@ferdous33
@ferdous33 2 жыл бұрын
Islam is the end of all confusing
@daudfw8440
@daudfw8440 2 жыл бұрын
I've never came across something so complete, and comprehensive, and upon my entry to Islam, I've enjoyed the brotherhood and historical significance.
@daudfw8440
@daudfw8440 2 жыл бұрын
@Mansoor Ahmad marhabaazzizi
@epulzurc6182
@epulzurc6182 2 жыл бұрын
You say Islam is the end of confusion. Then why do suppose Shabir Ali back down from a debate with Christian Prince
@itiksakit6718
@itiksakit6718 2 жыл бұрын
Shabir Ally is a lion of ASWAJA
@seekkeith23
@seekkeith23 2 жыл бұрын
a wisdom of mu ham mad or a donkey? transformed into rats The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats, for if you put the milk of a she-camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of it, it will drink it." I told this to Ka`b who asked me, "Did you hear it from the Prophet (ﷺ) ?" I said, "Yes." Ka`b asked me the same question several times.; I said to Ka`b. "Do I read the Torah? (i.e. I tell you this from the Prophet.)" Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3305 from a farmer's association
@hashmatshaik9422
@hashmatshaik9422 2 жыл бұрын
What are saying brother .This is about paul .why are you talking about rats here?are you saying paul is a rat
@thesacredtreasury
@thesacredtreasury 2 жыл бұрын
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Is Paul among Us Prophets? Far from it! We were not Called to fill the World with Deceit! Evil was determined by him to come upon you! He abhorred the doings of Upright Men, and persecuted them. Fear not the hand of Paul, and what he has written, for his lot is not among Us Taught by Allah. Allah Instructs His Faithful to Praise His Name! How can you believe one who honors another? Believe not his writings - he thought that he could get away with setting up gods alongside Allah! Paul brought Death to many who listened to him! Allah did not Deliver or Impute anything to him or the house of the father he chose - Satan. Satan turns things upside-down, and is the Father of Lies! When Allah Reveals His Light, He Causes the Blind to See! But when Paul professed to have received His Light, he became Blind for three days! From the very beginning he turned things around. Have you considered this? He who opens his eyes gains Sight, while he who closes his eyes becomes Blind! Surely in this there is a Sign. Open your eyes and See! They wanted to render Our Works defective by feeding you Lies. He who builds a house on Lies, how can it be called a house? He who puts man in any snare, shall be caught in it himself! O John! Call that man, that they may know of what Family and House he is! Bring him before the People, that they may bear witness to the Truth! ….. “O Paul, is this True?” ….. “It is indeed the Truth that They have spoken, and I herein will confirm all that They have asserted and mentioned to you! They are Brothers, and are of the Stock of Abraham. Allah made them Leaders who guided in accordance to His Commands - they were all Devoted Worshipers of Him, Alone! They have given you Good, while I have given to you Evil. Turn aside from following me. Do you not know that it will be Bitterness in the end? I am among the Dead because what I knew of the Truth, I hid and changed, and thus sent you Astray! Do you think I am from the stock of Abraham? I persecuted all who dwelt in his House and accepted him as their Spiritual Father! Do you realize that I am a child of Satan? It is he who caused me to err! Being enticed by him, I was led astray by vain desires and by his unclean whisperings! Nothing can be more bitter than this. And now I am in the company of Judah, as are all who have died before Surrendering to Allah. We sinned and did wickedly, and walked contrary to His Statutes. Allah is a Just Judge, and has been Fair in His Judgments against us! Just as we die, so die the Righteous! Our works were subject to our own choice - to do Right or do Wrong! What benefit did we reap from our deeds? Grief and Darkness! He that does Righteousness lays up Life for himself with the Lord. While he that does Wrongly, gives his life over to Destruction! Have you seen the Righteous? All Goodness and Joy are given to them! They have died in honor, while our souls have descended into Hell and have no Peace! There was no Truth in the words we wrote! It was intended that Allah's Wrath come upon you. With unwarranted boldness, and naughtiness of heart, we ascribed partners to Allah, so that at least one of them would become a snare unto you! Does this seem to you to be a light thing? Verily we led you astray from the way of Truth, and to the path of Lawlessness and Destruction! All who do this, should be Punished. What did our arrogance profit us, and our so-called Riches? There is no trace of it to be found! All that is not, returns to naught - from nothingness, comes nothing! Come not unto Allah with a double-heart! In Singleness of heart seek Him, for the Holy Spirit repels Deceit, and Thoughts that lack Understanding. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, and falls unto manifold temptations. The Whisperer has destroyed many that were at Peace, and whoever listens to him shall not find Rest! When Satan whispers his unclean thoughts to you, seek Refuge in Allah, and give ear to the Voice of Righteousness. Then shall your hearts be made strong and you'll prevail. Allah will forgive you, and you shall see His Salvation! The roots of the Proud, Allah Sweeps away! We are suffering for our sins - Allah has rejected our Body and Souls, just as we rejected His Laws. Judge in accordance with what Allah has bestowed and follow not errant views - forsaking the Truth! What are you waiting for? Do not be vainly uplifted in Pride! Reject these partners we ascribed. Better is a Single Master - Allah! He Guides and Holds All in the hollow of His Hand. Behold the Heavens and the Earth, and all there is therein. They all Surrender to Him Alone, and Obey and Trust in Him! Woe is me, for my Soul is gone out of me! What has befallen me is because I surrendered to Satan, and trusted and chose him over Allah! I rejected Allah and denied His Oneness, and filled the earth with Untruths. Now take in these words and understand them. Satan did not reveal this, and neither would if he could! It is not from my own mouth that I am Informing you Today, but from the Mouth of the Lord. Verily He has Control of All Things! Whether Living or Dead; whether Friend or Enemy - Allah Causes whomsoever He Wills to Obey and to Warn! Allah has Power over All Things, and has Ordained that we acknowledge Him, and Inform you, that He Alone is God - Almighty and Just! Verily, I was an Enemy, but now willingly or unwillingly, I must show and tell you the Truth! Do you not realize that many people wanted to see what you See, and to hear what you Hear? Realize how fortunate you are! You see the Right Hand of a man that helps you - the Scribe of Righteousness! He conveys to you all the things from the Lord's Lips. It is let out in measure and does not conceal the Truth! He has shown you clarifying examples from Levi, Judah, and the Scribes. Now all the Lies that we wrote and published shall be wiped out! Do you not see how we've been exposed, and humiliated? We are Irreversibly Confined, and all our works have been rendered Null and Void - this is the Just Requital for what we did! Allah is Merciful and Just, and Wills not that you perish Unjustly! He has Restored His Words to Save you from the hands of the Enemy. Allah has given you Freedom of Choice in this Life, but Dislikes seeing you make wrong Decisions! Therefore what He Reveals in this Book is Unadulterated Truth. It not only provides you with the Truth, but also a Better Understanding! Who is more wrong than one who disregards it, without realizing what they are doing? That which I did, you knew not! But you shall know hereafter, so that you may not come into our company in the Hereafter! Blessed is he who turns back from this Changeable Path everyone that was wronged! He understands the Lord's Works, and glorifies Allah; he Fears Allah Only, and Serves Him in Truth. Let what he has written, be heard everywhere! All the things I have written down, I put together Cunningly and with Malice - that you might reject the Revelations of Allah, and confound the Truth with Falsehood! Therefore if you observe what I have written, you will hate things which are good for you, and love things which are bad! O you who Believe! Do not trespass the Boundaries of Truth in your practice of Religion. Allah Created you, and to Him you will Return, and then He will Condemn all who Spit in His Face! How is this done? By Denying, Rejecting, and Mocking Him! These are things Allah does not want from Man. All these things are done when you divert from His Straight Way. Therefore do not exaggerate in your Practices of Religion, and do not say anything about Allah, except the Truth. The way may be narrow, but it lies on the Path that leads Directly to Him! (The Sacred Treasury, Paul) www.sacredtreasury.net/Paul
@rashidaquil5284
@rashidaquil5284 2 жыл бұрын
If son of God a jew was following the commandments to the dot and then decades later Saul or Paul along and claims not to follow the commandments as Jesus told him in a vision... what ? Is this real
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
Which commandments is Paul not following? Are Musims following the commandments?
@menmustchangebeforekingdoms
@menmustchangebeforekingdoms 6 ай бұрын
@rashidaquil5284 - TO ALL THE IGNORANT who are saying that Paul taught AGAINST OBEYING the 10 Commandments: Read this and REPENT !!..."Know you not that THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (1st Corinthians 6:9,10) "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I TELL YOU BEFORE AS I HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (Galatians 5:19-21) "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, WE OURSELVES ARE ALSO FOUND SINNERS, is therefore Christ THE MINISTER OF SIN ? GOD FORBID ! .For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself A TRANSGRESSOR." (Galatians 2:17,18) "What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, , that grace may abound? GOD FORBID !.How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1,2) " What shall we say then? IS THE LAW SIN ? GOD FORBID !. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet....Wherefore THE LAW IS HOLY, and THE COMMANDMENT HOLY, AND JUST, AND GOOD." (Romans 7:7,12)
@yloading209channel9
@yloading209channel9 2 жыл бұрын
Mashallah it is amazing that Bro Shabir is teaching White Crusaders Corrupt Bible 🤥of Paul to our these two White Brothers
@frrus7327
@frrus7327 2 жыл бұрын
Corrupt bible, and yet your allah needs it to back up the quran, if allah was real and almighty, why does he need the word from another God. You muslims talk about the biblical prophets, you say Jesus was born of Mary, celebrate ashura (God using Moses to deliver the Jews from egypt) all this is in the bible, plus you use and have a lot of biblical references to your belief, yet you just called the bible corrupt, how twisted and deceiving is that, I know one thing, being human and imperfect, I would have nothing to do with a corrupt book , except to warn people (as I am to you about how evil Islam is), I can imagine how much more God would not corrupt His word with such thing. ...so tell me, why is allah using corrupt teachings from a corrupt book, to teach his followers, hmmmm
@robertthunberg5827
@robertthunberg5827 2 жыл бұрын
Why is Dr. Shabir's voice so low and hard to hear? deliberate sabotage?
@solomonjohnson2628
@solomonjohnson2628 2 жыл бұрын
All the 12 Disciples represents a metaphysical aspect to the Christ,...they're flesh man n couldn't express the depth of Christ, the inner engineer man, so Paul, who was a teacher of the Law, was chosen by Christ as a vessel to shine the light of Christ to the Gentiles, he who was considered "learnt" was used to bring the message to the unlearnt, he who was deep according to the knowledge was able to explain the depth that Christ contains, that was not revealed to those who follow the "letter of the law", this is according to the "letter of the Spirit", who was crucified by "the letter of the law", zeen
@D-Khalid
@D-Khalid 2 жыл бұрын
Corinthians 14:33. Your Lord thy God is not a God of Confusion. Christianity itself is a confusing religion with flawed fundamentals. People till this day is arguing the nature of God when it has been clear before the message was Perverted. Moses said: Hear O Israel your God is only ONE (explicit) Jesus said: Hear O Israel, your lord thy God and my God is only ONE (Explicit) Quran, Allah describes himself: GOD IS ONLY ONE, THE EVERLASTING, THE ETERNAL. And here you have bunch of 🐒 still discussing the nature of God when it is so straight forward. The ultimate singularity. Al - iLah, Elo-him, Allah.
@elvisjohn8355
@elvisjohn8355 2 жыл бұрын
Praise God Glory be to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Amen
@fadzilsaad3530
@fadzilsaad3530 2 жыл бұрын
Mike is right about Paul because all Christian are worshipping Paul and belief the church they no longer following Jesus pbuh and believing in his teaching
@adval2011
@adval2011 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus had a brother James? I thought all the while Jesus is the only child from Mary virgin. I suppose Jesus had sisters too.
@ratnasetia8099
@ratnasetia8099 2 жыл бұрын
Nevermind what Paul had done!!! Is jesus God or trinity the truth whose teaching was it?
@khalilbonjol8711
@khalilbonjol8711 2 жыл бұрын
Paul invented the theology of Christianity to suit his marketing strategy aimed at the non-Jewish audience in the Roman Empire territories.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
How what did he change?
@khalilbonjol8711
@khalilbonjol8711 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 He changed the European belief from many forms of paganism to a form of simplified trinitarianism.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
@@khalilbonjol8711 The Trinity concept was formuated in the 4th century. It was developed in the Council of Nicaea and then finally the Counci of Constantinople in 381. However, it is nowhere in the Bible, or the letters of Paul. I am Christian myself. The early Christians and millions today don't believe in a trinity. It was promoted by the Apostate Catholic Church.
@khalilbonjol8711
@khalilbonjol8711 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 I am truly glad that you do not believe in the concept of the Trinity. I believe Unitarian Christians are also like you in their belief. However, Christians still believe that Jesus is the 'begotten and only Son of God' or the reincarnation of God Himself, a mild form of Paganism. Muslims are closest to Christians because they believe Jesus specially chosen to be God's prophet to reform the Jews.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
@@khalilbonjol8711 Yes we believe Jesus was the only begotten son of God. It means that only Jesus was directly created by God. God created Jesus, who then created the universe. Any good person can be a a son or daughter of God, but Jesus was the "only begotten." That Is why Jesus said "Before Abraham I have been". Jesus was faithful to God, that is why God says in the Bible "this is my son the beloved, listen to him". Most Jews coud not accept this, so he was killed. We also differ because we believe Jesus died for 3 days and resurrected, as prophesised by Isaiah, Psams, Jonah etc in the Old Testament. Muslims on the other hand believe Jesus didn't die, wasn't crucified, but went straight to heaven.
@sharmakeabees4745
@sharmakeabees4745 2 жыл бұрын
Why another people believe in what Paul says but still the Israel 🇮🇱 does not believe any of it .. so do i 😂 😏
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Israel was rejected by God and their country destroyed by the Romans. Are you going to copy them ?
@dwightrucker7750
@dwightrucker7750 2 жыл бұрын
If Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam why do you not practice his teachings.
@naureenpocoyo6400
@naureenpocoyo6400 2 жыл бұрын
examples
@dwightrucker7750
@dwightrucker7750 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus's Teachings Love your neighbor as yourself. Forgive others who have wronged you. Love your enemies. Ask God for forgiveness of your sins.
@naureenpocoyo6400
@naureenpocoyo6400 2 жыл бұрын
@@dwightrucker7750 Are you sure loving your enemies is the true teaching of Jesus? You forgive your enemies not love them. Besides that one, all the others are in the Quran, honoring parents as well.
@dwightrucker7750
@dwightrucker7750 2 жыл бұрын
@@naureenpocoyo6400 What about I am the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the father but through me. He’s also Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end. Muslims have zero respect for King Jesus
@naureenpocoyo6400
@naureenpocoyo6400 2 жыл бұрын
@@dwightrucker7750 did jesus really say that??you quoted from new testament which is in greek language, the language jesus never spoke, just like narrations you heard about muhamad from hadith books written by persians, the books so called muslims uphold. don't you realise you break the 10 commandments? worship the CREATOR alone .
@irshadahammed7014
@irshadahammed7014 2 жыл бұрын
Paul succeeded in destroying Jesus's teachings
@jokerjoker173
@jokerjoker173 2 жыл бұрын
pauls message was to introduce Jesus as the Christ. Paul doesnt care what you do or who you are, what matters most is that he introduce Jesus. because if you accept Jesus then your heart will going to change and your behavior will follow. pauls approach is a bit different from others. if you accept Jesus / isa then your views in life will change as well. eg. how to treat your enemies - in Jesus you will forgive them as God forgive your transgressions. the bible came first before the quran. if your book is stating 'if in doubt listen to the people of the book' then why are you going to say that the bible is corrupted? remember it is written in your book. but if you will insist the bible is corrupted then your book is lying to you. before the quran, the people of the book exist already. go compare the books they have and the books we have now. does it still say that Jesus / isa is the holy son / son of God?
@iygghjjhhhhji6665
@iygghjjhhhhji6665 2 жыл бұрын
Inside job !!!! Who are name's like Luke, Peter, John, Matthew, sounds like a bunch of Roman names!!!!
@sigabra3274
@sigabra3274 2 жыл бұрын
Quran 61:6 or read the whole Surah of Ahmad who is NOT Muhammad a follower of Isa son of Maryam who is himself a Messenger of Allah Quran 2:253 who taught the Arabic messenger the Al Quran Quran 16:101-103 do also refer Quran 41:44 blessed Friday
@solomonjohnson2628
@solomonjohnson2628 2 жыл бұрын
How must the Muslim ovastand the Spirit man, when they don't believe that God is Spirit? The Word became flesh in Christ n this is ovastood as the Lawgiver in the Son, who fulfilled the Law n walked in it n was put to death by those claim to be doers of the Law(Pharisees, Sandhedrin etc) n so the righteousness of God couldn't be got through the Law but only through having faith in Christ who suffered n died under the Law n rose again from the dead n sits in Glory,....Muslims n Jews depend upon the Law to gain the Righteousness of God, but if one should offend in one part, then that one has offended in all parts,....Christ is greater than Moses n Muhammed, even your Muslim scholars states that Christ is an emanation of Allah's Spirit, yet still you don't believe that He is the Son of the Living God,.....an emanation of a thing, has in it the very essence of the thing, it may not be the whole thing but it becomes the "fullness" of the thing, when we speak of things concerning flesh,.....zeen
@apakansaja8505
@apakansaja8505 2 жыл бұрын
Short answer to the caption. Yes. Long answer.Yeeeeeeeessssssssssss..... To the Jews he's a Jew, to the gentile he's a grntile. Paul lied. Its all in his letter which is in the Bible..
@mohdyusnormohdyusof9548
@mohdyusnormohdyusof9548 2 жыл бұрын
If you are a Christian today, Celebrating Christmas, Celebrating Easter, Worship Jesus, Eating pork, Drinking alcohol, Never circumsized, You are actually a PAULIANS. Never a Christian. Bcoz you are not following the teaching of Jesus Christ.
@fuzbeatboxern5714
@fuzbeatboxern5714 Жыл бұрын
Yes we are
@majorFiqrieFaisal
@majorFiqrieFaisal 2 жыл бұрын
Paul really wished he met jesus and he dreams about it all the times ...
@allwillberevealed777
@allwillberevealed777 Жыл бұрын
He's dead in the ground and can't feel or dream anything.
@kayrulrudyne8448
@kayrulrudyne8448 2 жыл бұрын
James was Jesus's brother, why didn't James write the Bible instead of unknowned writers, unknowned authors, unknowned historians, unknowned eye witnesses and many unknowned unknowned 🤔
@kantakos5355
@kantakos5355 2 жыл бұрын
Nicean Council 325Ad Canonized Bible.So Now we know Christians exist After Jesus long gone.Christians are not Jesus followers.And Christians Think The Bible they have now are Carried By Jesus around Jerusalem those days 😂
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
They were written by the disciples and associates of the disciples. John, Paul, Peter, Mark etc
@kayrulrudyne8448
@kayrulrudyne8448 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 from where you got the story from about the disciples who wrote the Bible? Let me tell you something very important, the disciples were illiterate, Peter was a fisherman who can't read and write and none of them wrote about Jesus. Stop making stories about the Bible. The Bible was written " According to" meaning the authors were not sure if it was really Matthew, Mark, Luke or John who was the writer. 4 Gospels (writers) wrote about the crucifixion and none tell us the right crucifixion. It was a CruciFiction !!!!
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
@@kayrulrudyne8448 1) How do you know they were illiterate 2 ) Even if one or 2 or 3 of the disciples were "illiterate" others can transcribe their words. It is written that 5000 men were baptized in one day 3) Nearly all even non Christian historians are in agreement that the crucifixion took place 4) The events of the crucifixion were prophesised in the Psams, Isaiah and other places 5) The prophets of God predicted Jesus' death and resurrection 6) The book of Acts written in the Year 60 Gives great detail of Christian history. It mentions little known governors and rulers. Even non Christian historians agree it is honest. 7) The only person who disagrees that it occured was Muhammad, who lived 600 plus years later. 8) You can't use the iliterate argument, when Muhammad was supposedly illiterate. Illiterate does not mean bad or not genuine.
@kayrulrudyne8448
@kayrulrudyne8448 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 I have no argument about Prophet Mohamed, my comment is about the Bible. Firstly Our Master Jesus The Messiah never taught us that we are Christians neither himself and the rest of his disciples. He was baptized but he was not a Baptist. In the Book of Acts 3:22 Prophet Moses announced the coming of a Prophet of God, Jesus. In Deuteronomy 18:15&18 the coming of a Prophet of God, Jesus but not the son of God or god. The Bible is a book with many stories and make no sense like trinity is One God.
@princemedox
@princemedox 2 жыл бұрын
First to comment/view 😁
@SonOfChrist777
@SonOfChrist777 2 жыл бұрын
Why has your allah not dared to utter anything against Paul? When Paul preached crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, what was your allah doing?
@radijaye7435
@radijaye7435 2 жыл бұрын
According to ur logic why god didn't stop the message of Islam. And now it's the most fast growing religion
@SonOfChrist777
@SonOfChrist777 2 жыл бұрын
@@radijaye7435 your allah said in 7th century that ISA was not crucified. So what was your allah doing during the first six centuries when crucification of Jesus was preached and millions believed? Was your allah and jibreel sleeping?
@radijaye7435
@radijaye7435 2 жыл бұрын
@@SonOfChrist777 it's the same none sense question where was ur jesus where mohamed was preaching his message and now it's the fastest growing religion. U will not know the answer ofcourse because u don't know all things like ir god not knowing the hour .ur question doesn't make sense
@radijaye7435
@radijaye7435 2 жыл бұрын
@@SonOfChrist777 my god doesn't sleep and need rest like ur god does he was a little bit tired u know when he created the earth it's hard isn't it .تعلى الله
@georgedmello4492
@georgedmello4492 2 жыл бұрын
God means jesus choosen paul
@abdullahcheksahamat6717
@abdullahcheksahamat6717 2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere, I heard Paul was born in 5 AD. AD = after death. So how on earth Paul could 100% conveyed what Jesus been teaching when indeed he was never with Jesus. Worst then Paul = “Roman Jew” whom hate Jesus followers n teaching. Only at 30 AD, did Paul join Jesus disciples. (2) So firstly, he never met Jesus. Secondly he was among those whom was anti-Jesus. Paul only learn about Jesus teaching from others. So how on earth he could recollect 100% Jesus teaching …. Jesus never teach Chritianity. So were his disciples esp James his brother. Christianity is Paul invention manipulating on Jesus path for his own glory. If Paul was not interested to glorify himself, then why r there lots of Churches name after him why not all b name as Churhes of Jesus.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
there is no difference between Jesus and Paul's message. If there is, explain it to me.
@abdullahcheksahamat6717
@abdullahcheksahamat6717 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 Pls do your homework. Don’t b pariah lazy myopic
@ahmadkoodoruth
@ahmadkoodoruth 2 жыл бұрын
You are afraid of Paul real statements it hurts your egos every one knows that the bible was manipulated.
@frrus7327
@frrus7327 2 жыл бұрын
if allah , was who he says he is (which i know for a fact, that he's not)why does he need the bible to back up his word, is he not mighty , wise , and all knowing enough to have his own word, and that word have power, why does he need references from the God of Israel's word.....oh and another thing, you muslims celebrate ashura (when God used moses to deliver the Israelites from egypt, which is also in the bible), you say and know that Jesus was born of mary, also in the bible, you have biblical prophets and biblical references in your belief and your quran, but yet, you say the bible is corrupt, so how does that work, what kind of god leads you to follow and believe in something where he has placed stuffed mentioned in a corrupt book from another God. Dont you find that disturbing, he's saying, hey muslims, this book is corrupt this and that, but yet im placing parts of it in our book. Can you mix mud and water , how weird disguting is that. So whats it going to be muslims. i know one thing, being human and imperfect, i would want nothing to do with a corrupt thing, mention not one thing from it, but, only to warn people stay away from it. But to add from a corrupt book to a belief, how twisted and demonic is that, think about it, thats how i know islam is false and satan led.
@tankatie713
@tankatie713 2 жыл бұрын
the presentation is using jokes or a joke itself?
@everdimacuta4469
@everdimacuta4469 2 жыл бұрын
Poul created Cristian not jesus that's true..
@chrismassey7563
@chrismassey7563 2 жыл бұрын
Demons know Paul and they know Christ.
@godfreystoby9800
@godfreystoby9800 2 жыл бұрын
It's very suspicious that the disciples were beaten and chased. Supposedly, by demons! There is a strong suspicion that brother Paul had a hand in that!
@chrismassey7563
@chrismassey7563 2 жыл бұрын
@@godfreystoby9800 Beaten and chased by Demons? Is that written in the Bible somewhere?
@godfreystoby9800
@godfreystoby9800 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrismassey7563, yep. Acts of the Apostles 19:15-16.
@anuarnawi6886
@anuarnawi6886 2 жыл бұрын
They turn zeuss to jesuss....
@salimalall2724
@salimalall2724 2 жыл бұрын
Jew holy ghost Christin son Muslim father 💜 Trinity Allah is Jesus Christ
@wicomms
@wicomms 2 жыл бұрын
Jews and Muslims don't like Paul because of what Paul wrote. He shows in detail how the death and Resurrection of Christ satisfied the law. Basically God judged Christ with our sin satisfying the law. It's not we become law breakers. But in regarding to going heaven and being good ...we can never be good enough for heaven. Because the 10 commandments though good. We can't obey 100%. So we are imperfect and we stand guilty. By believing in Jesus that he became our sacrifice. We are set free. This is the crux of Christianity and Paul did well to show us that.....now if you still thinking that God is after you and me obeying laws to go to heaven. You will hate what Paul wrote because it's against your whole law religion. Hence the hatred of Jews and Muslims for Paul. If you are a Muslim....notice every time something doesn't agree with Muslims their go to is to attack that person. But they won't engage to say what that person says is wrong. Eg. Yasir Qadhi...
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
wicom, good morning/night, I iwll answer you on this post, but did you read my other 2 posts in my thread, and what is your answer to my objection. I want you to know that I have nothing against you and love debate for the sake of the truth, I put nationalism, prejudice behind my back, and strive to be objective always how can we learn if not. People read and read and accumulate info, but few reflect (really reflect) for 15 min on the info learned in this mass info age. My objections should raise important red flag and a apointer to the scribes attempt to deify Jesus namely, huge miracle like dead saints being resurrected in the day of the supposed ressurrection of Jesus. Why was such extraordinary miracle only mentioned in Mathew.. think of it , why did not the other 3 gospel celebrate this account too!! After all it is huge miracle that can not be missed!! search christian scholars on that accunt they call it embellishment, meaning it is not true account!!! and the other point is : According to the Gospel, in the baptism scene, John the Baptist (Yahya) pbuh, while baptizing Jesus, he supposedly heard a heavenly voice saying, "This is my Son with whom I am pleased." The passage says, "THEY ALL HEARD IT." The heavenly voice (aka God voice because it says "this is my son." Is it not an extraordinary account to hear God's blessed voice? If that happened to you, would you forget such an event? Would John the Baptist, a great prophet, forget such a unique miracle? Certainly not. Then why did John the Baptist later, when he was in prison, send men to ask Jesus who he was? In addition, Jesus said, "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have NEITHER heard His voice at ANY time, nor seen His form. " John 5-37. Rather, that passage with the heavenly voice is added by scribes, not a true account to deify Jesus. Instead, the Gospel says John, from prison, sent men to ask Jesus if he was the one or should they wait for another one. meaning ( is he the messiah, Jesus, or the LAST prophet, Muhammad pbuh). They knew from the Torah that there were 3 prophets to come after Moses, and now we know that they were Jesus, John the Baptist, and Muhammad, May peace be upon them all.
@sutil5078
@sutil5078 2 жыл бұрын
hi wicom, I don't know what happen to our dialogue, I came to see and we stopped the convo.. if you are still interested I am here, if not, take care, and thanks for the convo, May god guide you and give you light and me and all ameen
@shifazulhaque
@shifazulhaque 2 жыл бұрын
Paul the liar is actually the Christians God of bibles !!!
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
What did Paul change or lie about?
@shifazulhaque
@shifazulhaque 2 жыл бұрын
@@rowenmaka1093 paul the Roman pagan actually invented the fake religion of pagan worship Christianity ✝️
@thatguy3468
@thatguy3468 2 жыл бұрын
So this jesus guy spends his days preaching, but can’t find the time to write anything? It’s all “he said” and then there are the contradictions. If it was really inspired by God, there would be no contradictions. Not one prophecy has come to pass that the Christian Bible claimed. And people wonder why there are atheists.
@rowenmaka1093
@rowenmaka1093 2 жыл бұрын
Are you Muslim?
@bambafepp756
@bambafepp756 2 жыл бұрын
White jesus 🤣🤣🤣
@charliegarcia6677
@charliegarcia6677 2 жыл бұрын
Islamic blame Paul in everything 🤣🤣🤣. They can’t blame the disiqples so they go for Paul, do you know people change and God uses people regardless of there past smh.
@Changeforthesoul
@Changeforthesoul 2 жыл бұрын
So your telling me Jesus had the same message as Paul?
@abubakrmala4553
@abubakrmala4553 2 жыл бұрын
Satan uses people also
@amazingamazigh6847
@amazingamazigh6847 2 жыл бұрын
Paul was Satan
@SaeedHassan8n
@SaeedHassan8n 2 жыл бұрын
Silly Christian
@glennbarrett7234
@glennbarrett7234 2 жыл бұрын
How could Paul be a liar ? Yeshua ( Jesus ) spoke thru Paul ( and Paul wrote most of the n/t ) . Since Jesus created all things in heaven and on earth......... Col 1:6. And God ( Jesus ) can't lie. Therefore, Paul can't lie
@tacom0nsta658
@tacom0nsta658 2 жыл бұрын
who told you Jesus spoke thru Paul? Paul told you :) i thought Jesus warned against false prophets, too
@youneskhouloud2504
@youneskhouloud2504 2 жыл бұрын
hhhhhhh funny lol do you know what chain of narration cause im pretty sure paul never met jesus or did anyone witness that or just because paul said it you believe it hes whole religion is based on jesus being God not to mention hes not trinitarian lol your logic is both dumb and funny at the same time and lets not call him paul lets call him what he is messenger paul cause according to him jesus is god and he is a messenger well i guess that must passed over the head of all his other disciples cause they remained jewish christians and believed jesus to be only a human prophet your religion is methraism buddy i think your more into the sin away free heaven paul preached
@glennbarrett7234
@glennbarrett7234 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacom0nsta658 Th vword odn
@glennbarrett7234
@glennbarrett7234 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacom0nsta658 The word of God told me., acts 9:
@glennbarrett7234
@glennbarrett7234 2 жыл бұрын
That's acts 9:15
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