Poor Klingons, they always seem to be a step behind everyone else. Mind you, when they DO have cutting edge stuff they are SCARY.

The Kamarag is probably one of the best Klingon ships designs from STO. It's a very fitting intermediate between the K'tinga & Vor'cha. I find comparison with the French Clemenceau-class carrier. The first of its type from domestic production in decades but still far behind its peer powers. Though still able to fulfill some needed purposes. I wonder how well a Kamarag would do against a Cardassian Galor (Pre-Dominion War)?

I just was working on a Lost Era Klingon ship this morning, inspired by a Trekyards video on the D-10 The Khitomer Treaty meant no L-24s to counter the growing Excelsiors and Novas. So, my concept was the D-10I Refit. Take the D-10s intended for Mothballs, and the engines intended for those L-24 Battleships. Mount the bigger warp engines, and add *two* of the bigger Impulse Engines on the Aft Dorsal Hull (that flat area). Upgrade all the Disruptors to the KD-13, and move them around to add two more forward Torpedo Tubes. Then mothball the non-refit D-10s. The result is 133% heavier, Class XII instead of X - equal to the V-30, and the new Constellation, and not much lighter than the battleships.

The Kamarag is a product of its environment. For starters it didn't need to be as big as an Ambassador because it wasn't loaded down with scientific equipment and anthropologist...it was a pure warship. As I've said before the Romulans went big for the intimidation factor. As for their tech it would make sense that it would be a step behind everybody else. The German navy was building ships with design features from the 1920's that everybody else had moved on from because they were able to still build ships.

Sounds like exactly the kind of ship the Klingons needed. It was within their technological/industrial limits for large scale construction, advanced the state of the art in terms of design, and was significantly more capable than its predecessors. The lessons from both its successes and failures would be highly influential in the next few decades. Unfortunately, several design decisions proved problematic and the Romulans proved aggressive before the issues could be fully worked through. Yes, even at its size the Kamarag would be quite useful considering that the Excelsior Class was still in service many years later. It is a good looking ship though, especially considering its place in the design lineage. Hopefully someone designs a fully size adjusted version of the Giant BOPs (the K'Vort class) from TNG. I would suggest that the (in universe) reason we don't see any in TNG is that they are off at more active borders of the Empire, the Klingons aren't planning on fighting the Federation after all whereas they have the Romulans on one border, the Cardassians on another and who knows what powers on the opposite side of the Empire from the Federation.

I love the ship. It looks nice but it's definitely a ship of an era.

I don't play STO but I did come across this design a few years ago and love the design. I think it's a great K'tinga successor ship and think it fits better in the STVI+ era moreso than the "lost era".

The Klingons have to play catch up with all of the other powers in the quadrants

The design certainly does look like an intermediate between the K'Tinga and the Vor'cha, so I like it from that perspective. It is funny how, after the Kamarag gets outclassed by the Ambassador and Vemelek, that history repeats itself with the Vor'cha. Not long after the Vor'cha comes out, the Federation comes out with the Galaxy, and the Romulans come out with the D'Deridex, and the Klingons on are on the back foot again.

My old wrestling coach used to say that "If all you can say about someone is that; They "did their best", then really, all you are saying is that their "best" still wasn't good enough". He actually used to tell us to never insult someone by saying that "they did their best"... I think that Coach G's sentiment applies here.

The one Klingon Battlecruiser that has been a punching bag for too long, but a good contender to the old Excelsior. The Klingons did what they can do with what they have available to build the class.

i play STO and is planing to use the Kamarang as a hero Ship in my YT vids sometime in the future. I love the ship its Among my favorite Klingon Ships so WHATS with the Hate man........cant wait to take a look.

Its a nice cross breed between vorcha and k'ting . Would love to see this canonnized .

Ships like this always prove the comparison between Klingon building methods and the old Soviet style of war machine building. Great video as always VGM 👍

I hope it's decent as a fleet variant since i almost prefer it to the K'tinga in terms of looks. Looks like a K'tinga modernization in line with the Lakota refit for the Excelsior.

Great video, always like stuff in the Klingons. I agree with you about this ship.

I always like seeing stuff filling in the 'Lost Era'. The take that the Kamarag was perhaps meant to be an enforcer against other Klingons as much or more than against foreign powers makes sense. Other than the Romulans, there weren't too many bullies out there to pick on the weakened Klingon Empire worse than they do to themselves. This indicative of Khitomer and the Klingons now seemingly doomed to be like a generation (and a half) behind the other two great powers in the local galactic neighborhood.

i see you are a sto player. i dabble in it myself. another great video. especially the artwork. it is clear to me that the kamarag is the prime example of just how badly the praxis moon's destruction hurt the klingons. economically forced to sign a treaty that literally cut their balls of for 20 years of non-development of their favorite weapons. then when they are finally able to do so, they find themselves 20 years behind in experience to build their favorite weapons. and finding out their most powerful ship doesn't match up to their biggest rivals. and dealing with political turmoil. it's amazing that the empire held together, considering we're talking about a period between about 2290 to 2371, all the way up to the dominion war. and honestly past that

The Kamarag looks like a stepping stone between the K’Tinga and the Vor’Cha.

I've actually been designing a kamarag Mrk 2 that actually makes up for the original short comings as well as turns it in to a perfect standoff ranged destroyer and in close range makes it a disruptor battle cruiser but you have to use ether one tactic or the other as in close range the torpedoes would probably harm itself as well as the enemy.

Great video I always believe is better to have beam weapons that torpedoes you could have a 360 degree firing ark but with torpedoes a ship depending the race is limited of space inside of the ship also having torpedoes inside is a possible disaster a good well shoot could damage or blow the hell of a ship that's why i think Romulan and Cardassians ships are better of with out torpedoes or if they have to use them in limited quantities

Could have sworn there was a ship like it in Klingon Academy. EDIT: Here we go, Warrior's Anger or SuvwI'Qeh-class. I thought it was supposed to be a call back to this thing.

I like the look of the Kamarag it's like a sportier version of the Vor'cha. What I can't quire understand is the failure of the heavy disrupters are they very short range? Or too slow to fire?. Was this issue addressed in some way? Can you go a bit deeper into this in a later video as heavy disruptors continue to feature on Klingon ships into the 24th century.

Can tell this guys a sci builder,best hull tank in the game

I think the Kamarag would fare better if it weren't constantly being compared to the Excelsior and Ambassador. On its own it is a fairly formidable ship but the problem is that the ships it would be expected to face up against were better. A better move would have been to invest the time and resources into a B'Rel II instead of a next generation battlecruiser when Starfleet heavy cruisers were so overwhelmingly dominant in that period.

If Drachinifel made Star Trek content, it would sound like this.

In universe story makes sense, the Klingons have lost a large percentage of their energy production and wealth, this has mentally hurt their cultural mentality ( think of the Germany in-between the world wars and the Russians in the 1990s and early 2000s), I know that has been said before. That said when someone is developing new technology or designs not everything will work out perfectly. And that is how they learn to improve them. But at this point in their history they need new ship designs to protect their borders so they were rushed to the front lines, similar to the American M3 tank during World War II. It along with the K'Vort class bird of prey are stop gap measures. And in practice, it is like a real world battle cruiser, it seems designed to not fight peer opponents but to hunt and kill lesser ships.

I love how these guilds map neatly as analogues for Soviet-era design bureaus.

I sort of figured that with the treaty of alliance between the UFP and Klingons that there would be a technology trade. With the appearance of bussard collectors that could of been a tech the UFP could of given them, also new warp drives. So, this leads me to wonder; did the UFP have any sort of influence on Klingon ship designs? Also, on a different subject; what happened to all the cloaking devices the UFP used before the Tomed Incident? This might be a risky idea but; what if they were handed over to the Klingons? Hear me out, if the UFP are forbidden from using cloaks then why not give it to someone who would use them (Klingons, Cardassians, Breen)? It would definitely be something S31 would do to keep the regional powers fighting eachother than the UFP.

The kamarang was introduced into STO as a bone thrown to KDF players when the ambassador class was added to the game, had the same BOFF seating and what not, in game a much better ship, could mount duel cannons and had a better turn rate. Something common at that time in the game, klingon cruisers just being better fighting ships in wile FED ships could like, tank better. Of course take it out of the game and put it into 'canon', and its the complete opposite. While the federation and romulans were building next gen battleships, the depleted klingons were just trying to get a next gen heavy cruiser built. Was likely plenty competitive at that weight class at the time, but a total miss match against the other great powers new largest designs. The excelsior, not ambassador, was likely the benchmark it was designed to compete with, a class that in the 2330s would be recently downgraded in status from a 'dreadnought' to say a 'large cruiser'. I think it would do better against it than you described, it should be more agile and just as fast being of much smaller displacement and combat focused, and this was a time when there was a revolution taking place in phaser tech and the excelsior's outdated ball turrets were just a lot of light secondary guns compared to any new class with phaser arrays. Then between 2350-2360, relations between the federation and empire could be described as friendly, and the klingons where in an even stronger position than they were in the 2290s. This time the vorcha was the the new design, and like the kamarang it too was likely bench-marked against the last generation dreadnoughts like the ambassador, they now has at least that industrial capacity. The vorcha and excelsior actually have almost the same tonnage/displacement, its not that large of a ship, but its not a general purpose explorer, its a warship so it doesn't need to be as large. Then only a decade or so later they could build the negvar, a ship to the scale of the other great power's finest. An interesting video topic could be a Venom-verse history of the klingon empire from praxis to the dominion war, the ups and down, squaring movie 6 against the status quo in tng and the impact of the enterprise C in relations, all of which always seemed a bit contradictory to me.

of course as with all klingon designs they seem to be able refit the things with ease so they probably could give them upgrades to be able to be decent effectively what would be in the TNG era be a mid weight cruiser

Burst fire torpedo launchers...hmm.

It’s an analog of the Vorcha. You can kitbash vorcha parts with it. This is the reasoning for the rescale

I'm totally on your side VenomGeekMedia. When you have the Ktinga and the Vorcha what's the point of this ship. It's like creating a ship just to do it and not because it serves a purpose.

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My question is why doesn't any Star Trek cavillation have a fighter carrier like Galactica. It would seem a swarm of fighters and space bombers would be highly successful in planetary combat.

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That is a jerk move bro. Kamarag should get some love, it should have been the Ambasador counterpoint.

MY FAVORITE SHIP NOW!

Well I kind of like the Kamarag class and it's new re-scale to match with the Vor'cha class as its predecessor and gives the Klingons some larger ships from the TMP Era and still use in active service with the B'rel class and the K't'inga class. With new re-scale of the Kamarag class, now it is in the same size or length range and a match with the Starfleet Excelsior class and Romulan Nova class. But very one has the right to give their opinion of whether they like the ship or not.

Klingons have the issue of being depicted as the "Bad Guys" of Star Trek. And getting the troupe of not being allowed to have cool powerful stuff. Though they do get a great clothing design and the best in fashion. But, tech, no. Though TNG and DS9 did try hard to help flesh out the Klingons within Alpha Canon. Beta Canon has done a far better job at making Klingons very respectable and more honorable than Romulans. Green-knife-eared petaQ.

These are all the downsides of building catch-up machines. 20 years is a BIG gap when it comes to ship design and R&D, at bare minimum it's an entire generation behind as we saw. But they actually got that time back with the Romulan receding and the IFP's golden age as we see in late TNG and DS9.

You mentioned the Klingon's used Ship Guilds to build their ships and they had their specialized space frames and types for each one? Why does this sound like there should have been a cruiser or BoP guild named after Artem Mikoyan and Mikhail Gurevich. "This cruiser you're berthed on was made by the honorable guild of MiG." "Oh, so That's why I heard singing on the way over here!"

I think it looks great. It looks like the perfect design to go between the K'Tinga and the Vor'Cha.

How come the kligons didn't use buzzard collectors in the 23rd century, what was the logic behind it?

After watching the video I admit I kind of like a few things about it like the torpedo upgrade. I am a bit of a nut when it comes to torpedoes. I think it's in part because my father in law was carrier US Navy and fired the first naval surface to air and surface to surface Talos missiles in naval history and shot down two Mig Jet fighters in Vietnam and is in the history books so after years of his stories I think it rubbed off enough that I love naval missiles and torpedoes.

look closely at the torpedo launcher in STMP there are 6 torpedoes in that hole

Im fav ship as well.

Seems like Klingon technology is always behind the times since the times of TOS.

I'm really curious about your sources, because everything you talk about appears to be stuff you made up in your own head-canon.

04:30 ish - You could say the Klingons were out of practice, OR.... were they simply out of praxis... Sorry, not sorry

The talent gap is mirrored by the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia, immediately in the aftermath, could not maintain the ships they had, much less fund new vessels. They lost a generation of naval architects and shipbuilders. Also, the shipyards themselves seriously deteriorated, which is expected next to corrosive salt water and icy winters. When teh Russians restarted ship construction, they started with patrol boats and corvettes, retraining their engineers nad shipbuilders as well as rehabilitating their shipyards. Next they designed and built the next larger and more complex class, frigates. They had plans for a new destroyer and some conceptual designs for an aircraft carrier. However, Russia annexed the Crimea in 2014 and then got hit with international sanctions. Technically, they still have plans for the Lider-class destroyer and a new aircraft carrier, but it is repeated put off to the next planning cycle like clockwork. Personally, I do not see even new corvettes being produced anytime soon due to sanctions associated with the invasion of Ukraine.

decent design

There is no way the Nova class has twelve torpedo bays it has four at the most

Kvort class would be better. Fast agile pocket battleship as oposed to a enlarged ktinga.

HUSNOCK WARSHIP .

This ship, It's so boring. What does the name mean?

"Cool ship................never heard of it 😕"

I'm glad it didn't exist in canon.