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If Nye Bevan & Tony Benn were around today they’d be purged by Starmer & his right wing faction.

Out of 120 years Labour had only been in power for 30 years! Arguably the only radical government was in '45 bringing us the NHS, welfare state and building one million council homes. But only because there was a huge movement socialist outside. Labour has been a managerial party for capitalism when the Tories f up. Starmer has moved it firmly to the right. We have noparty for the people.

In 2019, Corbyn got a higher percentage of the vote than Miliband, Brown, Foot, or Kinnock in 1987.

I certainly haven't become more Conservative as I have got older, I would never believe that business and things are more important than people.

My politics haven't changed over the last 40 years. I used to think I was centre right now it seems basic humanity means I am left wing.

The Greens won in Bristol in the most ridiculously affluent middle class white area. Come the revolution!

Ed Balls on the BBC said that deselecting Faiza Shaheen and letting IDS win was a price worth paying. Find the footage.

I'd never suggest this is indicative of anyone but myself, but as an older millenial I started off left and have only become moreso in my middle age. No property, no investments, no pension, no prospects, no future. You can line those facts up however you like, they still remain for so many people, and are guaranteed to exist in the short to medium term at least, unless we put up a proper challenge. This goes for everyone living in the capitalist hellscapes of "the west." Our bosses treat us like lost children and we oblige. Perhaps we could refuse to do so.

To help me recover from an eating disorder triggered by dwp sanctions, I went to stay with my Mom in Spain for 4 months in 2018. I faced a sanction of 3 months on my return due to being out of the country for more than 3 months, an anti-Immigrant rule brought in by Blair Labour governnment in 2003. Still struggling now. But hopeul that this new govt won't actively be trying to kill it's own citizens, oh sorry, subjects. Just staying alive feels rebellious!

The left isn’t just parliamentary politicians.

Harold Wilson kept us out the Vietnam War.

Benn is one of my all time heroes - if only we listened to him in the mid 1970s.. What a wonderful politician

This is fascinating historical context, thank you.

Owen and Andy two of the Guardians very decent journalist

If the people on the left of the labour feel uncomfortable in the labour party, why not start a new political party that represents themselves and Jeremy Corbyn better than what the labour party does?

Fascinating discussion. It gives me hope.

You’re 39?! Bro i thought u were like 25

You can say it was Left 4 Dead… Sorry I will show myself out now

I have never experienced the diverse rallies, the enthusiasm, the younger people who joined the CLP, the hope and people prepared to do the groundwork that happened under Corbyn. It was amazing and had to be destroyed, didn't it?

Really interesting and enjoyable conversation. Owen - one of the things you said towards the end about how vindictive the Labour right is (very true) was that you feared they could use their position in government - not just the party - to try to smash the left. Could you elaborate on this?

37:22 This is why New Labour has put so much time and energy into purging the Left.

Didn't Diane Abbott send her son to private school?

The left needs to return to the wellbeing of people as their main purpose. Monopoly prices & rents need to be wiped out as a priority. The Chinese state owns 75% of everything thro state owned enterprises SOE & keeps everyday prices low for people - socialism with Chinese characteristics. A billion people raised out of poverty in 40 years sounds like socialism to me.

Great conversation trawling through some of the left versus right Labor history. Corbyn's 2019 as a "Goldwater moment" is a nice idea. Looking forward to reading Beckett's Searchers

What is very worrying is that twice as many adults didn't vote as voted for the Labour Party. Has anyone tried to find out what these people would vote for.

The left in the UK must far more focussed on domestic challenges and need to understand that palestine is one important topic but not the only one.

I was born in 47. I have never moved right. I was prepared to give centrism.under Blaira go and became dissolutioned as it became obvious after 2005 that iyt was not centrist at all , it was becoming conservative.

There's a fundamental question to ask, What is the point of the Labour right? Wouldn't some of these people be more mental well-adjusted and maybe even nicer people if they were, Conservatives?

thanks!! interesting discussion;

I'm annoyed with the Greens for standing in every constituency, especially Ilford North, where Leanne Mohamed lost by only 528, much less than the number of votes won by the Greens. If the Green candidate had not stood then Leanne might have won.

I'm a gen z who is left and I'm an American socialist I care more about people than myself even if I do it's hard but I'm still glad to be a humanist I care more about people than business I'm glad I care people including those like that in Palestine.

It’s always been dead in the head.

Great upload.

This guy lives in the past. Is social liberalism really going to work in a world of increasing class contradictions both globally and locally.

I think the country needs a slight shift to the traditional left. But its probably not going to happen. So more people will vote Reform.

Owen I know this is a completely irrelevant point and so out of context, but your skin is BANGING, mate. What do you use on it?

I really think --- in view of the threat now posed by the far right (fascists) in several of the Western democracies (including here in the U.S.) --- that we need a strong center left/left wing movement that can elect more responsible, politically savvy, progressive-minded people into government here in the U.S. and Europe and show the electorate that they can govern sanely and sensibly, while delivering to the general public much of what they have proposed in their manifestoes or platforms. After all, here in the U.S., we have had the New Deal and much of the Great Society initiatives and programs through which millions of Americans have benefited for close to the last 90 years. And in the UK, you had your beginnings of what later came to be the welfare state with the introduction of the 1909 Peoples' Budget by David Lloyd George. And of course, the progressive changes brought to the UK thanks to the Atlee government in the immediate post-World War II era.

Glenn Greenwald; What the UK and French elections mean for establishment politics in Europe

Going on safari. Made me chuckle and spot on . Incuriosity.

You've done so many vids today it seems?? I can't keep-up.. maybe say more but I need some sleep.... so briefly I absolutely loved this discussion! It had that intellectual edge I sometimes miss & was just an encyclopaedic-roller- coster down memory lane (for some!). We are literally in need of this book because we're RIGHT NOW trying to work out what to do with all the energy & connectivity of the election. I campaigned for an Independent & we don't want to disband but not sure how to proceed, 😢should we be a party or not, are we joining-up with others or not? It's all to play for & reinvent & the excitement you discussed with Corbyn's previous campaign REMAINS! The right accused Livingston of WASTING MONEY on projects for minority groups but we created the concept of Black on Black (produced a magazine of the same name) which was the little-known precursor to Eastern Eye & I had that on my CV instead of clearing woman! Lastly how did you go all over-it-in & out & round & never ONCE mention that MURDOCH'S right- wing press was the REAL REASON LOONEY LEFT STUCK for so long & continues to this day! MARKETS & MONEY runs everything SURELY.. Trevor Chin et al bankrolled Blair & now Starmmer.. Israel lobby aside money talks & what Harrold Wilson was told after he won as to why he wasn't going to be able to put his policies into place holds true for any left-wing leader with socialist leanings. Whether they're voted in or not the rich right-wing in US & UK are the ruling elite....Trump doesn't have to be on the Whitehouse to run things he's proved this... Great chat guys & sounds like a must buy book ...bless-up Owen jones luvzya ❤

My grandad he Lord Provost Glasgow city council in 1970 to (Labour win 1997) he lost his seat SNP in 1977 local government elections in Scotland he old Labour party he working class or middle class long time ago. Phil O Rourke. He Irish councillor in Glasgow city he wealthy Thomas.

The Greens saved Streeting to a near certain defeat to a British Palestinian. They should have done the decent thing and stood down.

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Lets not forget Dennis Skinner, The left is alive and well.

it is so unfair to say that there was rising living standards in 1997 because of a credit bubble that later went pop! This is wrong. I was there. at uni in 97. There were rising living standards, homes were affordable, rent was affordable, uni was free, and interest rates were perfectly norammal and affordable at 6 or 7%. The credit bubble came afterwards, unaffordable housing came from Labour. and the Lonon that I knew: as[iring working classes, some wanting a home and lucrative career, some wanting to become artists, actors, filmm akers was absolutley doable. There was confidence. That ended. And New Labour ended it What is gentrification? The end of free spirit adventurous aspirational. I detest New Labour waffling on about aspiration. they fecking killed it

Year after Year Benn would give fantastic speeches tearing the Labour Party then end by saying join Labour. This tribalism has stopped the left but not the ruthless right from pushing their agenda.

My favourite Tony Benn quote: "I left Parliament to concentrate on politics". Is "ism" a relatively new thing in British politics? I hear a lot about Thatcherism and Corbynism but I don't remember anyone talking about Wilsonism or Heathism back in the day. Thought Andy was going to give us a tune!

Well, no but. The old left had Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg and Antonio Gramsci. What do we got now? Jeremy Corbyn and AOC 😂😂😂

Just bought the book, thanks for the heads up. Though I lack space, so I have to get Amazon Kindle books, I hope Amazon leaves enough for Andy 😅

Love the cat, Owen! Siamese cats are really smart!

Labour left leaders, Benn, Livingston, Corbyn have led the UK left. "New" Labour is limited by their out dated view of UK workers. They have no conception of the gig ecconomy, zero hour contracts, or the precariate they produce. Politics is swinging decisively to public ownership, common wealth, and away from the "market" free or not. The label for which an electorate votes, eg Green, Independed, etc, is not as significant as the pokicies and integrety of the people standing. It takes communication to spread messages into a time poor, attention deprived voters. Fortunately we have the tools, smart phones and alt media, to reach and engage electorates.

Are you going to talk about galloway?

It is dead. I used to proudly say I was left, but it has been warped and corrupted with people fighting the wrong battles.

John Macdonalds moved to the right as shadow Chancellor but we had a vibrant critical movement of different economists which led is still there but more diffused.

If there is no Left, there cannot be a Right, correct?

I don't have the patience to wait through 50 minutes of reminiscing about the 60's through the 80's for two minutes of current events. I'm genuinely curious about the current state of leftist affairs inside the UK but, I'm ten minutes in and tapping out. If someone can give me a timestamp where they start talking about things that matter now I'll try this again later.

Maybe older people don't shift to the right, they just become more cautious. That can mean voting for the moderate left over the radical right.

Are you going to talk about life outside the labour party? What now?

Yes it's dying as farright implement their ideas using those same fragile reasons from what socialism was seen as a social and human necessity

It depends how you define the left. Neither labour nor the German Social Democrats are left.And the real left like Diem 25 is weak. Many young people unfortunately vote nationalist

@ 48 mins the most tragic story of the left ever - i fear the future

I have always been left wing, and am in the Labour Party. People who are left wing are welcomed in the Labour Party. This is your home.

Labour always subscribed to all the imperialist bs. He " did one thing little bit left' is sickening.

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IMO... the left should focus on providing the economic basics: education going in; livable wage/affordable housing once in, and universal single payer pensions going out; health care (including drugs) as a right at all times; state ownership of natural resources and basic infrastructure. They should just STFU about identity and cultural and the grab-bag of "personal rightgs to [fill in the blank].

Labour Right support Israel lobby..possibly tricky for these 2 guardian journos to discuss

Meeting you with a View To A Kill (Voltaire)

As the white middle class go left the white working class go right. Funny old world.

Starvarism

Left is Best

This man is so beautiful! I want to put my face next to the arch of his foot!!

I don't think Owen Jones has quite understood what is meant by "the left is dead" in the Platypus sense of the term.

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Does George Galloway get a mention?

coz he was wrongly accused of anti-semitism ya naff

I was very happy to see Hilary Benn become NI Secretary, I do like it when they send us an adult !!

Really enjoyable to hear you guys agree with one another for an hour (jk)

I love listening to Owen. It must be a similar experience to going to Bedlam hospital in the 18th century to see the screening loons.

How do most of you guys still make profit, even with the downturn of the economy and ever increasing life standards

If Biden wins, yes.

You could say both left and right is dead, all we have is a nuanced centre. That's if you insist on seeing politics as a left right thing

here in England the left is beaten, broken, divided and still sulking Corbyn lost twice

I’m conservative and I’m socialist so does that make me “left?” Not in the least.

No, just totally useless.

If you choose left or right you are the problem especially now 😢

Owen, have you given up on the poor innocent children in G A Z A?

Irresponsible click bait. I'm disgusted by this video title. Add a time when both France and the UK voted in left-leaning candidates. And yes I'm aware of the inherently have problems. Add America is trying desperately to refocus on a candidate that can take down Donald Trump. And this is your response? How hurting for viewers are you. This is just sad

Owen, did you join the LPYS?

So, Owen..you are an independent now, I trust?😮

It isn't dead. It's just unelectable. Very much like the US, the UK public are naturally right of centre. The problems emerge when the far left act like the far right. We've seen this with you, Owen. Obsessing on wedge issues like Gaza. Actively campaigning to keep the tories in by undermining Labour on issues where the UK has absolutely no influence. It was petulant and childish, especially as you appear to have done absolutely nothing beyond talk about these issues. To remind you..4.3 million children, that's 30%, are living in poverty in the UK. 1 in 20 don't even have a bed to sleep in. I think you've burnt you bridges with Labour and have made yourself politically homeless. Well done!