Can Nigel Farage and Reform UK play a significant role in reshaping the UK's political landscape through a reborn Conservative Party?

Do not underestimate the damage Labour will do to the UK even if it is only 1 term. Peter is absolutely right in this.

I fear Mr Hitchen is spot on . This country has become a cess pit since Blair.

We all know the case, Peter. That doesn't make the Tories any more electable. Both parties are an abomination.

Peter Hitchens in one sentence - "Everyone is blind except me".

I would trust Corbyn words more than Starmers tenfold

"far worse" don't you even dare. Jeremy Corbyn stood for so much more than any of these crusty elitists.

Isn't Fraser Nelson the one who told Swedish TV that you can run sky-high immigration levels and can do so without public opposition provided you give the impression that you're limiting immigration?

For years he’s been saying we should destroy the Tories and now when we are on the verge of actually doing this he’s got cold feet.

When the Spectator are pretending Starmer is right wing you know you're in all kinds of trouble.

"Some constitutional tinkering" Amazing how you can belittle something so incredibly important.

Calling this Labour party a left wing party is like calling this Conservative party Conservative.

Whether you agree with what Hitchens is saying here or not, the Blairite, Fraser Nelson, is simply incapable of comprehending the warning being issued, because he - other than some minor bones of contention - simply cannot see any issue with Blairism. The same applies to essentially all of the corporate media gatekeepers in this country, who have done very nicely thank you out of Blairism, and are entirely detached from the damage it has done under both Labour and the Tories over the past 30 odd years.

Two things are true. The Tories have been awful. Labour will be much worse.

Biggest problem is that the Conservatives didn’t rule as conservatives.

I have never seen anyone challenge Peter as much as Fraser I think they are frightened of him. Well done Fraser.

I remember just before Blair was voted in (I was 12) by father warned me how bad it would be if labour got in. He was right we had an Illegal war mass immigration crippling dept and the selling of are gold reserves at the cheapest possible price. Not to mention the criminal justice bill which eroded are freedoms.

I like PH but sometimes I suspect he likes to be on the losing side, it means you can always shout "I told you so" when things fall out of fashion. He's wanted to destroy the Tories since 2010, now it's actually on the verge of reality he seems to think a vote for the Reform is too risky because it'll give a green light to Labour.

Labour stole my pension. Never forget or forgive. We are ruled by traitors and criminals.

"A vote is a practical act with measurable consequences. It's not an emotional spasm." Excellent description.

To quote Dad's Army "We're all domed Captain Mainwaring"

Peter is spot on... once Starmer gets in he will, like so many have before him, just do as he likes and manifestos soon get forgotten.

I am surprised that Peter is not glad that the Conservative Party are doomed, he has said that they needed to be destroyed

After the last five years I can’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to vote for the Tories ever again but the problem is that it will probably be even worse under Starmer and most people know it!

I heard Starmer announce his manifesto today. I hadn't recognised his voice and took it to be that of minor local politician.. Not the least impressive, no facts, no tradeoffs, no vision. Just a 'let's not frighten the centrist voters'

‘The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians.’ - Thomas Sowell

“The scariest thing about politics today is not any particular policy or leaders, but the utter gullibility with which the public accepts notions for which there is not a speck of evidence” - Thomas Sowell. I would add ‘ or ignore what parties have promised before and not delivered, believing what they promise now will be delivered if elected’

Peter Hitchens is absolutey right,

I am scared for my country when Labour gets in 😢

Peter Hitchens does not endorse anyone, rather he sits Eeyore like on the sidelines moaning about all of them. Which to be fair is pretty easy to do.

Great Scott. Peter Hitchens 100% correct about Starmer and so called labour. The real people who epitomised a Labour Party have been long gone.

THANK YOU PETER THE TRUTH IS HARSH BUT WE MUST LISTEN.

The National health service wouldn't make keir starmer wait for treatment. That's why he can use the service and say its excellent. As for NHS staff they are treated first because of their job. The nhs invest in the health of their staff. To not treat an NHS worker quickly is to be a man down.

I can't tell if Frasier is playing devil's advocate or really is that gullible about Labour's intent.

The people who are going to get the biggest shock is the youth Labour voters. They have no idea what a Labour government actually looks like.

In Ireland we have just voted on Local and European elections and the centre ground won. Sinn Féin polling in the 30’s % landed at about 12% …. Nobody saw that coming .. a complete shock .. and a shock to SF most of all …

It is not the power of the corrupt I fear the most!..it is the power of the gullible !

England is doomed

With 54 years as a Labour supporter . Starmer . No , never .

Sovereign parliament of the commons has been salami sliced away since Blair. The Supreme Court is a good example. The House of Lords, being part of parliament, was the final court of appeal. This was reformed by Blair. This is just one example. Devolved governments another example. ECHR et el!

Frasier Nelson seems quite complimentary of Blair's record. This is the very problem with these internationalist, marry a foreigner Conservatives. They, like all too many Conservative MPs, are in the wrong party. The Conservative Party must be gutted so that a new effective party can come through that puts the interests of British citizens first, second, every time.

I think Peter Hitchens is completely correct and has a superb understanding of the devious, destructive British left.

The only 'growth' we sill see under Starmer is the growth of the public sector, the state, and all its grotesque wealth and privileges.

The economy did not grow well under the last Labour government. Why pretend? It was an economic boom based on credit and house prices. Which collapsed in 2008 leaving us with a deficit to gdp of 6.9% in 2010.

The Conservative's record in office... 1. Highest energy bills in Europe. 2. Highest taxes in 70 years. 3. Highest interest rates since 2008. 4. Highest train fares in Europe. 5. Longest waiting lists in NHS history. 6. Raw Tory sewage pumped into rivers. 7. Lowest corporate taxes in 50 years. 8. Lowest State Pension in Europe. 9. Highest Immigration both legal and illegal ever. 10. Destroyed the NHS dentist service. 11. Brexit. 12. One failed Prime Minister after another. 13. Worlds shortest in post Prime Minister which created a financial disaster. 14. More corrupt MP's than any other party in parliament. 15. Europe's longest Austerity for the lower paid. 16. Highest Council Tax rates in the World. 17. Reduced our Armed Forces more than any other G8 country. 18. Highest number of MP's that have been arrested for sexual offences. 19. Highest number of MP's that have been sacked for corruption and Fraudulent acts. 20. Voted to allow Bankers to have unlimited bonus's even though the bankers caused the crash of 2008. 21. More libraries closed due to council cuts than any other modern country. 22. Ruined and destroyed the Train services by giving private companies tax payers money as subsidies. 23. Voted against Labours creation of the minimum wage. 24. Wasted billions of Tax payers money on crony PPE contracts for their friends and other Tory donors. 25. Sold off 600 Police Stations. 26. Sold off our Courthouses. 27. Closed then sold our Fire Stations. 28, Failed to fix - repair our schools. 29. Cut spending on youth services. 30. Court backlog is at record levels 31. Threw 30,000 pensioners to the wolves during the first wave of the pandemic. 32. Sold off our electrical grid to foreign companies. 33. Failed to build new affordable homes. 34. Wasted billions on HS2. 35. Failed to close Tax Loopholes. 36. Failed to build 40 new hospitals. 37. Failed to repair our crumbling roads. 38. Forced many councils into bankruptcy. 39. Failed to address the 4 million children living in poverty. 40. Cut spending on mental health services. 41. Privatised and sold off the nations Post Office - Gas - Water and Electricity Companies 42. Allowed BP and Shell to steal our Oil and Gas reserves whilst paying little to no taxes. (Norway has a Sovereign Wealth fund of over $1.6 trillion). 43. Sunaks failed RWANDA policy has cost approx 500m. 44. Increased the pension age. 45. Failed promise to end rough sleeping. 46. Failed promise to end Leaseholds. 47. Failed to Ban No Fault Evictions. 48. Failed to ban so-called conversion therapy. 49. Failed in their Levelling up promise. 50. Introduced Voter ID excluding thousands from voting. 51. Introduced the bedroom tax. 52. Forced disabled people to jump through hoops to claim benefits. 53. Britain now has more foodbanks than McDonalds. 54. Tried to implement fracking. 55. Failed to invest in green energy and electric vehicle recharging infrastructure. 56. Our National Debt is now 3 Trillion. 57. Failed to prepare or have sufficient PPE for a Pandemic even when it was No1 on the risk register... 58. Given free reign in Non-Dom billionaires and Media owners to cause societal division and fuel racism. 59. Promoted lunatics like Cruella, Mogg and Patel to high office. 60. Blocked the Russia report. 61. Gave us the highest diesel prices in Europe. 62. Closed and then sold off our onshore gas storage tanks to high end developers making the impact of the invasion of Ukraine worse by increasing the cost of gas. 63. Tripled the cost of University fees for students and locked them in their digs during the pandemic. 64. Grenfell. 65. Windrush. 66. Increased our National Debt to 3 Trillion. 67. Partygate. 68. G4S Prisons. 69. We are giving 8 million quid a day to landlords for migrant accommodation due to the Home Office go slow policy. 70. Little to no Border checks on goods and foods. 71. Sold the Farmers and Fishermen down the river.

Finally a voice of reason - well done for having Peter on!

Does Hitchen's not realise Tory and Labour are two sides of the same arsecheek?

He NEVER says anything specific about the horrors of the coming Labour govt.

They could start by taxing Amazon and McDonalds! that way they wouldnt need to destroy the wealth of the middle class so much!

I agree with Peter Hitchins on this issue, Starmer is going to be a disaster for our country, vote for the Reform UK party on mass

Don't fall for Labour's wealth creation pledges. Labour strategists want to change property laws to gain control of the wealth stored in private houses and homes. The plan is to force older people, and people without children, to move into small flats built for them in the local community. Thereby, freeing up family homes for councils to control and let out.

According to their rhetoric at the time, Labour would have locked-down longer and harder than the Government's already excessive measure.

Spot on Peter also the people won’t wake up till it’s too late

This person is a real ray of sunshine...is there anything that he's not fed up with or pessimistic about? Does he know how to smile or laugh? Imagine being trapped in a room with this guy for days on end. At least his brother had charisma....

Never been a fan of Peter and have mostly disagree with most of his articles and comments in newspapers. I am amazed that I actually agree with him, I think people are going to have a big shock if labour get into power. We are going to be living under a dictatorship

Funny how Starmer avoids debates with Farage, I wonder why (clue he would lose).

New Labour isn't the party for ordinary people

What does Labour know about wealth creation???

I used to think Fraser was a conservative. Now I realise he is a Blairite.

When Peter Hitchens speaks, people need to listen. Even if you don't always agree with him, you can ALWAYS learn something ❤

A great interview. Hitchins is right - better to vote against what you don't want. A much safer option.

Starmer will transform the country into a socialist state, and the real horror show will begin.

I have voted strategically for many years now. I voted for Blair in his first term, because I had always voted Labour - even though I didn't like him from the start. I didn't vote the next time round but I voted to get him out after the third time round and I have voted to keep Labour out since then.

How we needed David Davis instead of Cameron

'Whatever Nigel Farage is, he's not a conservative''. And whatever Peter Hitchens is, he's not a libertarian.

What he describes is exactly what has happened in both Canada & the U.S.

A most interesting interview. Peter gives much food for thought.

Anyone who remembers the pension raid by Blair/Brown or who was affected by it should be voting for reform.

Unfortunately the UK will have to through another 3 million immigrants and 5 years of Starmer

Hitchens never changes. He criticises everything and everyone, and when challenged to state what he would like to see, he has no idea and no vision.

Unfortunately, I think Peter is right in his characterisation of Sir Kid Starver.

Happy soul is Peter!

Vote REFORM. Open your eyes people

Always worth listening to Hitchens - a real independent thinker, always thought provoking although always leaves me feeling more pessimistic!

He's quite right about the making of the Bank Of England independent. That was done purely so the government could shrug their shoulders and abrogate their responsibility for the most significant control governments can have over the economy; the interest rates.

He needs to get on board with Reform UK once they pass the Tories. THEY CAN GET ZERO SEATS, IT JUST TAKES A BIT MORE PUSHING.

What kind of scottish accent is that? He'd last 2 minutes on the streets of Glasgow with that toff stuff

Labour will tax tax tax, vat petrol diesel will go up and up

Of course we're looking at a long term Labour government good grief! How on earth can anyone who seriously follows politics not anticipate this?

It's always a joy to hear the eternally doleful P H. As always, he is probably right about most things..

The most amatuerish Labour party our country has ever know with zero experience of running an economy. What could possibly go wrong? 😂

The other one could upset people as well but he did it brilliantly with charm wit and humour

Let's be honest. We shouldn't be voting Conservative after all of this. So, a vote for Conservatives is a vote for Labour! Vote Reform!

Labour left a note no money left, and they didn’t even have the excuse of covid and the Ukraine war.

If you are thinking of voting Labour, please see 👀 your doctor soon as. 🇬🇧

Hitchen's case that a Labour victory will result in 'Starmageddon' is not very convincing.

They really need to take those plums out of their gob🤨

The only change you will get with labour, is what is in your pocket, they will take all of the pounds.

Always enjoy listening to Peter but rarely agree with him. He obviously fears devolution of power away from Westminster, I welcome it.

Hitchens can't seem to agree with anything anyone says. To say Nigel Farage doesn't seem to believe in very much is ridiculous. It's his passion in what he believes in that energises him to carry on despite numerous setbacks. He's a conviction politician, like Thatcher. I don't agree with Hitchens' characterisation at all.

Angela Rayner, David Lammy, Ed Miliband, God Help us.

General strike for proportional representation

This is a really good old fashioned interview. Both participants are doing a grand job. Well done. Very enjoyable.

Conservatives aren’t the second party or opposition anymore. It’s Labour and then Reform in second place.

I'm very much a Hitchenite, I struggled at first to grasp his logic, however, I fear a Labour govt more than I do my own opinions of P Hitchens argument... therefore I believe we should do all we can to keep Labour out... vote tactically, be smart and don't allow posho-Labour vandals near our Constitution.

You just made me change my mind. Thank you

Vote AGAINST LABOR - AGREE - VOTING REFORM

For the first time in my life, I have to except that folks like me and you are royaly fucked whatever the outcome of this election is..

Nothing irritates me more than all the mindless zombies who vote the way they've always voted no matter what the circumstances OR who the leader is.

I trust neither Labour nor Conservatives. Both serve special interests. This is merely a baton change.