Mike, you are going to enjoy it!

Thats a very cool setup!

The coax sounds way better than the optical into the ifi zen one signature dac.

Glad you enjoy it! There are a ton of videos before this, but I feel like I am finally getting the hang of it :)

Agreed and I am glad you liked it!

I am confident it should come soon.

Certainly better than spending $599 for a Bluesound Node.... I bet their sales are hurting now.

@@thomasward00 the Node has a few things the cheaper WiiM Pro (or Mini) doesn't. One useful feature is the subwoofer out. For those using vintage preamps that don't offer a subwoofer out, it can be an easy way to add that to an old system without adding a snake's den of cables. I have three WiiM Minis and love them (you can't even begin to build a Raspberry Pi streamer for $99 these days), but I'll probably spring for a Node for my living room one day so I can add a sub.

It is super easy, plug and play. However I do agree with Ross, the Node is more of an all in one solution, however the WiiM wasn't really meant to be all that, it's just a straight streamer. I wouldn't consider using it as a preamp.

@Mike On Audio Agreed, not a great pre-amp. Wiim Pro > DAC > Amp > Speakers. Trying to be as careful as possible, I still almost blew my speakers using the Wiim as a pre-am (for volume control). Won't be doing that again. Lol.

@@rosswarren436 The Node is better. No doubt about it (by the way there's a easy mod for a linear power supply now that improves sq). The wiim (i'd say the mini) is the best value streamer and i'd say no doubt abiut it as well. I don't think the increased quality of the node justifies the (huge) difference in price though.

The Arylic s50 is not gapless. Game over.

I believe they are identical in function then. I don't have the Wiim Mini, but I believe besides the extra connections and physical buttons the only difference is that the pro has chromecast too (only audio). The wiim site and forums are quite good. Worth a look around if you need more specific answers and to verify what I said :P edit: worth a look to check the roadmaps for the products too.

Thanks for the response and advise Daniel.

I don't have a Mini either, however I agree with Daniel on this one. I honestly think they are the same thing, the pro just has a few more features. SQ wise they are probably very similar.

My buying decision was purely influenced by ease of use. I have my speakers on my desk (WFM in a studio) I'm able to use the physical buttons and I do (you can change function to go to next or previous song), pause music quickly when I get a teams call. I can optical in from pc to it too when not using for music, then feed it all to dac and amp. Wiim Mini would mean I'd have to change mode on DAC to usb when using pc, no big deal, but I like the physical buttons. Integrated into speaker system at tv it would probably be nicer if you don't have enough connection options on DAC. Solely for a music system I'd assume the mini would be perfectly fine

I have tested both SPDIF and COAX to all my DACs, the Geshelli J2 AKM, SMSL SU-6, and internal DAC on my Denon AVC-X3800H (horrible DAC in the Denon, btw). On all DACs the optical has a more forward and bright vocal presence, more on the SMSL and Denon than J2. Thus proving (to me at least) output selection matters.

That is a sweet system!

@@mykandrew soon to be sweeter, as I am getting a pair of Summoner 1093SQTL from Adelaide Speakers made. Can't wait to hear those 10inch drivers!! Thanks for replying Mike. Cheers, Stu

Nice! Enjoy it!

Agreed and I am glad you are enjoying your Wiim

Go with the iFi iPower X Low Noise Power Supply DC Adapter for S100 to compliment the Wiim Pro. This of course works best when using an external DAC and using COAX digital out of the streamer. If you are using glass optical cable for both in and out of the streamer than that is an option as well.

That would be awesome.

Power Supplies Matter!

Agreed

I don't. That's why I was interested in this instead of the mini. I'm just trying to breathe new life into old receivers without having to purchase/return 20 different products. DACS still confuse me, not in what they do, but in what makes one $14 while another can be well over $500. I have no experience in separates and I'm not sure I even want to go down that rabbit hole as it may turn out to be a money pit, buying and swapping components in a never ending struggle to find listening nirvana. Then, there's all this new "chi-fi" to weed through and 99.9% of it gets glowing reviews here on KZfaq. It's like watching CNN talk about Pfizer.... sponsored, bought, and paid for.

@@Jeremy_810 Unless you need a digital coax out and ethernet in, get the Mini... I have one of each and they both sound great.

​@Joseph Ward in the pro did you compare the coax and optical? For me the coax sounded way better. A lot more high frequencies.

Having the rca output option allows audio to multiple zones on a receiver. Most receivers limit digital audio to only the main zone. So I use the rca output to drive my second zone on my veranda through a Denon receiver. Great feature!

I wish Argon products were available in the US.

Thank you Carmine, I am sure you will enjoy it!

@@mykandrew I just hate hiking up My iPad or iPhone when I want to access Amazon Music HD…so this should be interesting 🍕👍🤔🍕☕️

@@mykandrew Arrived last night..HOLY COW!! A new universe of music has opened up 🥲

@@carminedesanto6746 I knew you'd like it

That's an awesome setup!

@Mike On Audio thank you my friend. You've certainly steered me in the right direction. Keep up the good work. BTW today from Amazon expecting my XDUOO MT-602 and TRS to RCA cables. This will drive my Mezze Classic 99's. Because of the massive gain I'll probably use the Topping in preamp mode.

It doesn't come with. It is a $19.99 add-on if you would think you needed it. Figure 95% of people would just control it with the app on their phones to control the music.

Oh crap I knew I forgot something, Ill get you a link up on the description.

Hey Mitchell, yes there will be a sound improvement over using Bluetooth at any level. However, I don't think you will have an aha moment until you upgrade more than just the source. Moving over to Apple music and abandoning bluetooth for WiFi will, in and of itself, provide you with an audible improvement. Investing in the WiiM is a smart move if you are interested in continuing the betterment of your system.

@@mykandrewthank you! I think considering an investment is the best way of looking at it. Much appreciated for your input.

Those are nice DACs

That would be insanely cool!

The features are incredible right?

The WiiM does have multi room capability as well.

@@mykandrew so line in on the mini or pro and then use the wiim app to cast to other Wi-Fi devices? If that’s true, then it sounds like this thing just outclasses the Sonos hands down.::

@@chrisAclaes depends on how you're hooking things up but the pro offers RCA in and out and Optical In and Out. And the calibration is meant to make sure the other devices are in sync. This can beat out the Sonos in my opinion.

@@mykandrew I've heard the wiim app can work with devices from some other companys as well. Major plus.

Hey Ken, I have never heard the M20 HD but I have heard a couple of Q Acoustic speakers in the past and was happy with the results. The WiiM will definitely be a great addition to that setup.

Good thing I am not one of those people lol

I will have to check that out!

I suppose if you use your phone as a hotspot. Otherwise this just connects directly to your home wifi.

Thanks--- I do not have any other way t connect. If the hotspot works that would be sweet.

I stream off my network via ethernet to the WiiM Pro, I did have to upgrade the power supply to a 5v 2.5 amp unit. The ifi unit Amazon sells for $69. And my Mac mini is on the same network via ethernet, so I would not see why you would not be able to do what you want to do. WiiM has a very good website with a user forum that is very responsive. You may want to head over there and ask.

i use a linear power supply that i had laying around. It improves sq a bit.

I used the supplied, however I can use the ifi ipower and let you know.

I think the point of analogue input makes me believe the Wiim pro can convert from analogue through digital isn’t it?

For the price it's presented, it's exactly what it needs to be.

@@mykandrew Yes, I would pay more to get the streamer+DAC that has everything in the Bluesound Node but with better software and built-in EQ.

@moribnd BluOS isn't terrible. There are a lot of worse OS out there, lol. But I totally understand what you're saying.

The "Plus" model of the Wiim Pro has a much better sounding DAC.

It could be your power supply, there are known issues there. I am using the ifi 5v 2.5 amp unit Amazon sells for $69. It solved my ethernet connection issue and stopped issues like you are having.

I haven't tested the mini, however you may be right for value per dollar.

@@mykandrew I'd say it's even more surprising than the pro.

The ability to stream Amazon Ultra HD makes the Pro my choice, and I'd easily pay even more for this streamer.

I assume adding the Ethernet jack was a design choice they made over giving a USB digital out. Oh well, for the $149 price point, it is a very solid device. I have three Minis running Wi-Fi and haven't had any issues with it, but my wireless router is only about 50 feet away (max) from the Minis.

@@rosswarren436 .. I'm not disagreeing with its price point, but I emphatically disagree with the argument that Wi-Fi is perfectly fine in comparison. That's a joke and it's not. This system is if you don't already have a wired-in in-wall/ceiling good multi-room audio system throughout your house. In my case when I entertain I have a great room, outside pool lanai, my office and a couple rooms upstairs. Otherwise if I want crap audio then I have Google Hubs in practically every single room.

I have 300-400 mbps download throught my place and it does just fine for me. Those Google hubs are probably hurting more than helping to be honest. Unless your walls are made of steel or you have a 10k sq ft house it could probably do much better with a top of the line router. Those little hubs suck up alot of bandwidth.

@@DJaquithFL yeah, for audio in my outbuilding which is too far for my Wi-Fi I just use Bluetooth from my phone playing downloaded content from Tidal and call it a day.

@@mykandrew .. Research **MU-MIMO** and simultaneous transmission. Your (ditto mine) home's potential bandwidth has nothing to do with this issue and reliable transmission to your devices around your home. My home's FiOS is currently 2.5/2.5 Gbps and without being properly equipped doesn't change latency and transmission issues. The problem with Wi-Fi is it's limited simultaneous transmissions along with variable signal strength, you don't have that exaggerated nonsense in a hardwired solution. Bottom line, I couldn't care less what you do in your house. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. I'm trying to make you aware of why I disagree with you. That's it. _WiFi example: My 85 year old mother has 1/1 Gbps; all of her 8+ Google cameras are connected via Google Nest WiFi and AP wireless mesh (AC2200 4x4 MU-MIMO) and I have to sit there and wait for her cameras to load when I'm checking up on her. In contrast my UniFi cameras are all CAT-6A PoE and instantly load previews whether I'm home or away. She has that system because I paid for it and I put it up same day because she was too damn stubborn move into an assistant living facility after falling._

I thought it was pretty Robust, however I use Roon primarily so I would only have to use the app to adjust settings. However when I tinkered with it, it didn't give me any issues. I'm glad you were able to replace the Sonos with it.

I think the app is great. They keep improving it quite often.

There really isn't one, the Nvidia Shield will output amazing sound

if you use an external DAC the signal is all digital. No loss