FYI, the coax out is digital. You can use it for connecting a DAC. It is not for connecting audio signal to a subwoofer.

The Wiim streamers are the best value in all of hifi

While the intent of your vid is appreciated, there are some omissions and inaccuracies that should be addressed: 1. The Wiim products are available on Amazon during Prime Days and Black Friday sales for about $20 off the regular price. 2. The coax output on the Wiim Pro is another digital output, not a subwoofer output. 3. The Wiim app does allow one click packaging of the whatever streaming apps you use, as long as you also have the streaming apps on your phone or tablet. You go into the Wiim app, pick your Wiim device if you have more than one, then pick your streaming app, which then opens; no extra steps. From what you displayed about the Sonos app, the Wiim app operates the same way. Also, searching in the Wiim app reveals results in all your streaming apps. 4. Although Wiim may not have the telephone tech support level that Sonos has, Wiim does process bug reports and issues very quickly and updates their app frequently. They also add features frequently. I have both models of the Wiim, and have been well pleased with their performance, especially for the price.

Kevin, I simply want to commend you and your team for the 'first chair' audio and video production quality that drips from each upload. Bravo!!

I got the Wiim as my toe dipping streamer, paired it with a Geshelli DAC and have been very happy with it. I dont have a whole house sound set up, just my man cave, and I've had no problems. Great review by the way. I dont have a large physical media collection, and at my age and this point in my, I'm not going to build one. I realize streaming isn't for everyone, but it really fits my current situation. If you ever do a review of external DAC's I highly recommend looking into Geshelli Labs or Schiit Audio. Great customer support, and both based in America.

I appreciate your take here. Your pro's and con's. I jumped into the streaming world 3 months ago, wiim pro. So far so good. Great to have other options as well.

Great video just bought the Wimm Pro hooked up with a schitt modi to my Marantz 2235b and works beautiful, streams hi res sound, no bull, my JBLs never sounded so cool!

Great honest review Kevin... Thank you!

I have a Wiim Mini plugged into a Schiit DAC and I love it. I got it a few months ago for 79 bucks on an Amazon lightening sale. My first turntable in 1975 was an AR XA. I wish I had kept it. A classic.

Wife bought me a WiiM Pro from you for Christmas. Absolutley love it. Hooked up to a 2220b through Model Sixes. Having volume control and presets is so nice. Thanks for the sticker and great advice. ps.... My PL 514x put me over 600.00 LOL. Thanks for the GREAT channel.

One thing I didn't hear mentioned was that with the WiiM you now have a remote volume control for your vintage amp/receiver. I have the WiiM Pro hooked up to my 9090DB, streaming Tidal as well as running my TV audio through it. I have become addicted to this setup. I almost never play physical media anymore. I was all jacked up to add a nice DAC to take it to the next level. I purchased a Geshelli J2 and when it arrived, I found that the new sound was actually a downgrade for me. The J2 went back and I'm perfectly happy with the WiiM alone. Will be adding a second one to run with my SX1080.

new to streaming ordered the bluesound but before I opened it I came across the Wiim pro plus for half the price and reviews were great so I ordered one.. couldn’t be happier easy to hook up and it sounds great!

I've been using Moode Audio on a Raspberry Pi digital out to a DAC for my streaming needs. Works great and sounds wonderful

I enjoyed the wiim video, but you really didn't mention it's ability to be a pre amp. Adds volume remote to vintage audio. A big plus in my book. I just hooked mine up to my old realistic amp sounds great.

Love my WiiM pro connected to SMSL dac and vintage Sony receiver. There is no need to run two apps. Wiim app runs most music apps and carries over playlists, etc. from your original app.

I love the Wiim Pro! That and the Topping E50 DAC are my best purchases so far this year! Great video ☕️🔥🍕🥓👍

Love your channel! I have been using an Amazon echo dot with a headphone jack for years on my vintage receivers for access as it has my Amazon and Sirius XM music.

I just hooked up a WiiM mini to my Sansui 2000 in the bedroom, and have the WiiM Pro in my living room on a Sansui 4000 through a PS Audio DAC/Preamp. I could not believe how easy it was to setup the WiiM's to play the same content in both rooms with no lag or other issues. For the money, these WiiM products are simply a no brainer, and they both sound very good with the vintage gear. The detail is there, even with the WiiM mini internal DAC on my Sansui 2000 via AUX in. Very impressed.

IMHO it’s worth looking at it by budget range to maintain some coherence with the overall investment. Under $1k receiver setup, the Wiim is pretty nice. I use one with a Topping D50 and my Harman Kardon 730; it’s nice. North of $1k receiver setup, for my Accuphase E-202 for instance, as a bigger step-up, I am currently considering the Eversolo DMP-A6 that combines one of the best DAC chipset with a nice streamer.

The new WiiM Pro plus comes with the remote. For $219 WiiM Pro Plus features a built-in AKM 4493SEQ DAC and a TI Burr-Brown Audio PCM1861 ADC that can achieve up to 192kHz / 32-bit digital output when converting analog audio.

I have the WiiM Pro. The times I have contacted WiiM they answered right away…..much quicker than I expected. Quick, professional and spot on response. I have ritten to other firms this summer and am still waiting on response…..and since it’s summer time (vacations all over the place) I will continue to wait for a response. As for WiiM i a store, I’m glad they don’t. I can just see audio shops adding a premium to the price, waiting list, and other sales tactics that I personally do not like to deal with. WiiM is good equipment and provides good support.

Thanks and another two thumbs up for a good video!

I have purchased 3 of the WiiM Pro up just recently. I love the ease of setup. The main selling point for me is the optical and coaxial outputs. This allows me to use any of my external DACS. I have all three connected to external DACs. I have one in my Pass Labs, Luxman, Magico setup streaming hi res Amazon Music. The optical cable out allows me to stream up to 24bit 192kHz to my Luxman DA-06.

Currently I use a patch cord, the audio jack from either an old smartphone or a tablet, to RCA jacks on my receiver. Lots of apps are available.

I don't have to go in to any other app in my wiim mini to use tidal , it's in the app I connect my account once after that it's all in the wiim app

I use Apple Music and SiriusXM, and I bought a Yamaha WXC-50 Streamer ($450) because it integrated SiriusXM. The hardware is decent but the MusicCast app is wonky and was giving me fits. I had seen a lot of videos on the WiiM, and decided to try the Pro. At this point it doesn't include SiriusXM so I have to use the separate app for it, but it's still easier than the Yamaha. I've never owned any Sonos products, but for my simple needs the WiiM has worked out quite well.

I always had a streaming device connected to a vintage receiver. The oldest equipment I have ever done that to was a 1969 Harman/Kardon Three Thirty Nocturne.

I had a Wiim Mini but it went back due to complaints by The Management about youtube or something. Copped a Wiim Pro on Prime Day for 120 beans, returned the $99 Mini and haven't looked back. Not totally sold on the software yet. She hasn't complained so it's a win for now I still love my Chromecast Audio though

Can I get your opinion Kevin? I am just about to get Pioneer CS-405-K speakers. Thank you... Thank you for all the effort you make for all these videos. Much appreciated, thanks again. I will be running them on an SX-750.

Man looking at the items in your store really takes me back. I have never owned a Maranze receiver but I had Air Force cats that did, in the early days they were coming from Germany and Japan.

I have 100's of records and listen to them often and even a tape deck with a limited collection but I agree running a streamer makes my setup more fun. I like to explore different music and when I really like something I will look for a Vinyl release and add it to my collection. I just started using a Wiim mini and it is amazing but audiophiles will want to add a DAC as the dac in this is lackluster. For $90 it is a such a bargain and it even has an aux input which helps as most vintage gear do not have many inputs. It has an optical output so adding a better DAC is easy. The EQ is another plus and something I do not expect at this price.

i tried one (Pro) with my Sansui G-7500 going through my Musician Pegasus DAC and loved it so much I ordered another one for my Sansui Seven.

Using Bluesound Node for my vintage Marantz and an Auris for a vintage Kenwood.

Kevin great video! Are there any issues in using a dac with wiim into vintage receiver re dac voltage output being higher than aux input sensitivity?

I have been using a Yamaha WXAD-10 streamer with MusicCast for a number of years which looks the same as a WiiM Pro and similar priced. MusicCast app is same as Sonos and it also sounds great.

Thanks for the video. Could you recommend a good matching DAC for the WiiM Pro? Thanks.

This is one of the best, straight up honest and down to earth talks I can relate to. Thank you for sharing! I bought the Wiim as a Christmas gift for my son, while he's away at college. It seems to be appropriate, coming from a vintage junkie.

I love my WiiM. I run it into a DAC, sounds great. The problem is my iPad always finds it but my iPhone is hit or miss. Not sure what the problem is. I sent in a ticket but they weren’t much help. They update their software a lot. Maybe that will fix it eventually. Love the videos.

Great video, interesting little product. I just use a Chromecast. Too bad the Chromecast Audio is out, but I just use a normal Chromecast V3 (or with Google TV) with HDMI and an HDMI audio extractor. Has analogue out but also digital out to connect to my Topping DAC. I just use Chromecast, this is sufficient for all my streaming needs.

Great video, as are all your videos. Thank you! I tend to ignore big box ticket items such as these. A raspberry pi with a good DAC hat is really a great way to go. Add Volumio and you pretty much have everything you need. I have been running 3 Raspberry Pis with DAC hats for entire house audio, for virtually free. Something to consider maybe.

Cool, I just bought a Wiim Pro for a vintage/modern system. I also have a Sonos connected to a set of speakers. I don't think anyone should consider either of they don't like using an app.. I personally don't like Sonos refusing to play high res files, index more than 15k files (only relevant if you have a big library) and doesn't do DLNA. The unpacking experience with the Wiim and setup process was great. I personally like the apps of the streaming services better in many ways than Sonos' implementation. So the connect option Wiim uses is something I personally like. I also connected it up to a 15k DAC to see how good it is. And you could probably connect a $1000 DAC to the Wiim (or the Sonos) and it will still make s difference. For the few people who want to do that.. But I do agree: they are new, so support, longevity etc. is a mystery for now. I don't think people will easily swap their Sonos setups for Wiim stuff though... Even though I did on my main system. My study still runs a Sonosfied set of speakers..

Hey Kevin...Yes, the Wiim are just unbeatable as you can also build on them to expand them and their abilities. Acrylic makes a small bare no case Streamer I saw internally installed as it's designed to be done in this configuration to a Marantz 2250 and connected to the Aux switch. You'd never know it was their and it was bolted to existing holes in the back plate that only required slight reaming to accommodate the Screws provided by Acrylic. It seemed easy peezy. But yeah Wiim has lots of "Audiophile" adherents. I imagine that the issue with Spotify I bet will be addressed in software if possible as Wiim is no slouch on software development.

I don’t know if this is a new feature but you can access the streaming apps directly from the wiim app.

How long did you do home theater etc. installations in homes? How did you like it? I have been building homes for people for 40 years and tried integrating home theater etc. pre wiring but it just never worked out for a bunch of reasons. How is the coax out used for a sub?

Erm, I picked up a SMSL Sanskrit MK10 for $70, and it uses my TV as a streamer (optical) and Bluetooth from my cell. With the remote included, it really gets the job done, and when I do upgrade, I can sell it with the SVS Soundbaseas a $300 bundle with some decent old Bose speakers. But thanks for the 411, I’ve been wondering what the big deal was with streamers. Here’s yer’ upthumb.

I found that if you integrate the Wiim Pro with Amazon Alexa, the remote becomes useful with its voice control. The same should go for mini.

They are 2 different products. Different customers. WiiM is great for piping into a vintage set up with RCA in.

Hey Kevin could you kindly explain what the DAKS do and how to hook them up Please Maybe???

I want to start into vintage hifi. Which amplifier do you suggest for around 200€ as beginner?

Thanks for sharing.

I still have a bunch of Chromecast Audio devices and also a Wiim Mini. They’re very similar. The one thing I wish Wiim would do is make KZfaq music available as a streaming service. Since the unfortunate discontinuation of the Chromecast Audio, the Wiim is absolutely the way to go and it’s a fantastic value! And it’s even better when using a better DAC.

I'm really surprised that reviewers don't make more of the fact that the Mini version doesn't have Chromecast Audio. I chose the Pro entirely for that reason. I also bought the remote, mainly because it enables you to pause or choose a preset (such as a streaming radio station) without having to go into an app.

I use the airplay function to connect my Bose and Denon together.

Is there a difference in sound quality when using the 3.5mm VS spdif out?

Turned on the WiiM Pro today and there was another update... Guess what I found? A Parametric EQ, and it is the BOMB! I use my WiiM Pro with a 1970 Sansui 4000 receiver, out to a pair of Zu DW6 Supremes... That new Parametric EQ just took the sound quality to another level! Very impressed.

Do you have to open wiim and then spotify every time you use it?

I am currently using an echo dot Directly connected to the RCA jacks in the back of my Denon receiver. Do you think getting WIIM would improve the sound significantly?

WiiM pro hooked to a Sansui model 4000... Ain't looking back.

Nice discussion. I think Bluesound, Sonos and WiiM offer the best software and usability. I’ve tried HEOS, AirPlay and many others, and none of them provided seamless connection and usability. Only Bluesound has subwoofer output and bass management!!

So I’m running my line out into a vintage Marantz receiver. I’m also chromcasting. Am I still getting high audio resolution?

I have the WiiM pro hooked up to my au-7700 in my main music room. I run my old iTunes library through airplay on it, and have had zero issues. The few times I’ve tried a different streaming platform, the multi-app thing was mildly annoying, but I got used to it pretty fast. I think it sounds great as well, but I’m pushing 50, and have the hearing of a remodel carpenter, so take that for what it’s worth.

I see the WiiM as not so much of a Sonos competitor as it is of the Apple AirPort Express V2. Yes, the AirPort Express is now technically a defunct Apple product, but wow, is it an excellent streamer! The built-in DAC is great, and surprise! It even has optical hidden in that headphone jack port. I have picked up SO many of these used for $20-30 each, and NONE of them have died on me. This is my go-to option for vintage WiFi streaming. (And yes, I am an Apple ecosystem guy.)

Where would I go to learn how to set up a Whole House Wiim system (similar to Sonos setup)?

I’ve compared the WiiM pro plus vs the sonos port, feeding an ifi ipure 2 into a DAC. I also used the WIIm into the same DAC. My sense was the WIIM sounded really good, but it was not a knockout vs the port with the ifi. I also really liked the sonos software much better, it had unified search, favorites, and just felt more mature. In terms of choice control, The WiiM did pretty well through the remote, but it made mistakes, such as brining up the wrong station in tunein when it asked for a call number. The sonos has not voice enabled remote, but it was far more accurate using an alexa device nearby. If you are just buying now, and want high res audio, The WiiM is def worth considering, especially since they improve the software so often. If you have a port feeding an external dac, I’d see no reason to change. Perhaps add an ifi ipure2, more at least try it out and send it back if it does not improve things for you.

Went on your website and i can't find any vintage receivers for sale ?????????

Here is my take on all this. The Pro was not out when I put my system together. Tried the original Wiim first, did not work, immediately returned it and that along w an unexpected flow of income I went w the Node. All of the lower priced streamers will do a good job streaming, have pretty solid apps and their internal DACs will do for the time being, but eventually you’re going to want an external DAC. The Wiim Pro does not have a USB digital out, only coax and optical, USB digital out gives you much better rate transfer or whatever it’s called. Something to think about.

Bluetooth receivers are just fine.............I used to have a krell based system worth a fortune. Sold it all. Now I just listen to the music not the equipment. So much more relaxing.

Seems like the old Apple Airport Express (with AirPlay) was ahead of it's time.

I bought a WiiM Mini a few months ago and it is glorious! No WiFi issues for me, but if you really want Ethernet, the Pro version is only a little more. But... do NOT plug this into your system using analog RCA. Use a real DAC and an optical or SPDIF RCA connection and let a good quality DAC handle turning the bits into music. A WiiM and DAC would be a great addition to a vintage receiver or amp, and gets you the vintage sound and look with modern interface and streaming access. You could even hide the new stuff in your cabinet so nobody's the wiser.

I use a Tascam CD 400U for streaming ,CD AND SD,USB,AM,FM

I've owned a Bluesound Node for about 2 1/2 years and love it. The sound quality is great. Better than my Sony SACD player and my Rega Planer 3 turntable. Its over $500 but well worth the money.

Streaming is a very interesting possibility. It would be nice. I know the Sonos is more expensive, but tech support and good service is worth a lot when you need it. You may never use it but crap happens.

Thank you

I have 2 Wiim Pro's and have given 2 to family..They are AWESOME in so many ways. Sound and reproduction (inside DAC) are amazing and even the WiiM home software is a knockout. Anyone I show is blown away....the only negative....You can connect a FIre with Amazon music but you cant install WiiM home on a Fire. So what I am saying is, yes, Amozon music will stream from a fire but considering the BIGGEST seller of WiiM pro ia Amazon , you would think WiiM home would just have native support on the Fire tablets. But from your Iphone, it has support native for a ton. Amazon Music, spotify, Tidal, etc.

That little thing, if you leave it on top of the mighty L-100, probably will start dancing too LOL

Steaming services have always been popular with businesses. Individuals have never been a major customer of streaming services.

Bluetooth was never intended for music when it was developed. The latest "improvement" to it might help, but it's still not great. I don't and won't use streaming, but information in this video may help me answer quetions i get asked.

Didn't know U had it in U, prior Videos made me think this was something Skylabs ignored, however better cheaper options exist with strong features sets for Streamer DAC( but U R getting close)

Know nothing about these streamers. Thanks Skylabs.

The Pro also has the ability to use Logitech Media Server aka the Slim Devices software. I use the Logitech Duet remote to control the Pro. The Mini doesn't have that ability.

A bit of a dum-dum noob question here, but would you need a 3.5mm to RCA cable to get a Wiim to connect to a vintage receiver's AUX input?

How come no one is talking about the Wiim Pro Plus ? I hear it's an upgraded model with better audio output.

Nab it. Although I have Chromecast hooked up to a mini CRT television as my network streamer.

I've had a Wiim mini for ay year, and don't like it even running on a single amp.The integration for someone like me with a large media library on a home network isn't supported very well, and the device interface is slow and cumbersome. I wish I had bought something else and saved the headache.

Remember the Bluesound Node X comes with a remote, not that I would actually use it.

The Sonos Barr I heared has a falce duplicated bass line . At least what I heared at my brother-in law's place. It is as if his Sonos duplicated a existing bass that is in a higher frequency in a lower frequency. Having one genuine and one false one.

Don't care for the fact that all of these streamers require an additional app, beyond the music handling app itself, installed on my phone or my computer. A really good Bluetooth+DAC running aptxHD and/or LDAC has been good enough for me, otherwise I let the amp's DAC handle the signal from the BT dongle. Whether you're hardline Ethernet or Bluetooth, Spotify is going to only give you 320 kbps. aptxHD is rated for 500+ kbps at ideal signal to noise, and what's the deal with the human ear no good beyond 192kbps? Other apps like tidal and Deezer will give you more bandwidth, but for those who don't want to have multiple music subscriptions (like me) what's easiest wins out.

The magic is to use it with a Good external Dac

These dongle Bluetooth recievers, even the $10 ones, improve the sound of your phone by bypassing the crappy DAC in your phone.

Kevin, if any of your customers DON'T own a smart phone the Amazon Echo Link may be a better option than Wiim. I tried both & went with the Link. My Link is controlled from a cheap Amazon Fire tablet running Alexa & Amazon Music Unlimited. The tablet is also used to send radio station MP3s via Bluetooth to the Link. Both the Wiim & Link benefit from an external DAC. I use a Schiit Modi that is shared with my CD player. Amazon Music Unlimited is uncompressed, has a vast library & is a bargain at $89/year if you're a Prime member.

Both Sonos and Bluesound will need to take a good look at the business model in the near future as they’re getting seriously squeezed by WIIM from the bottom and Eversolo from the top. As much as some don’t like what they see in terms of development in this market, Chi-fi is here to stay and keep disrupting the mainstream.

Bluetooth LDAC is really Good!

Don't forget CD's ;)

Wiim can use WiFi and its sound is superior to BlueTooth sound.

Sonos is a solution for people who don't care about hi end audio for the most part- set it and forget it. Good video otherwise.

I ues my phone

Update your channel. Very much has changed in 9 months with Wiim. It's a Sonos killer.

Sonos is the new Bose.

I loath ones and zeros. I love and respect my vintage audio gear to much to defile it with unnatural sound.

You confuse me immensely with your comments about Bluetooth. My preferred way to stream music is from my iPad streamed via Bluetooth to an external DAC and then RCA to my vintage amp. I can't believe this is inferior to anything I have done in the past when listening to no loss audio. Bluetooth is supposed to be bit perfect.