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Ely Wananda

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Is there a Black British middle class?
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@fortunalondon8692
@fortunalondon8692 2 ай бұрын
A lot of Black African/Caribbean’s have sent a lot of money back to their countries of origin to build property or to be squandered by extended family. This tactic has not been fruitful as it often leaves no room for investment into assets here in the UK.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw 2 ай бұрын
Most Carribbeans and Africans send money home especially older generations because they can see their is no future in the UK and not wanted in England the resentment is there.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Very true. It might sound selfish and individualistic, but if you're not looking after you and your immediate family here - it's irresponsible to be sending a large amount of your spare cash back home. But particularly those who were born and raised there, they feel a very strong obligation to help, and that's fair enough. It's different for people like me though, who don't have very close connections with family back home.
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb 2 ай бұрын
No you can bild bisnes to whit the family and let the money work for you.
@d4v1do
@d4v1do 2 ай бұрын
No this is needed for first gens. For 2nd gens they don’t experience as much remittances etc. so they have social mobility very normal
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb 2 ай бұрын
Im working like that! And now im almost 60 and look whats going on and start selling the props in europe. Cant say to much. Coverments look over the solderen.
@NMiller80666
@NMiller80666 2 ай бұрын
I work with a Bangladeshi married 30 year old woman. She lives in a 7 bedroom house in Enfield with her father in law, her mother - in - law, her husband, her brother - in - law, her brother - in - laws wife and herself. Mortgage taken out by her father in law/mother in law and paid off in full now. They all live rent free and she contributes only £350 a month to the household out of her £3000 + monthly take home pay. Her and her husband saved money for a depositi in record time and buying a house in Enfield for £400,000.
@m0o0n0i0r
@m0o0n0i0r 2 ай бұрын
yes this is now. Im a bengali, 41 year old, bought a house in the SE but born in Leeds. There was a lot of welfare dependancy when I was a kid growing up, but things are moving on now I think. I went to university down here, and live in a 3 bed house on my own - plan is to let my cousins or family move in while they go to university if they want to down here. [still though I think this video is good to get us all talking]
@rosahacketts1668
@rosahacketts1668 2 ай бұрын
And.... There is a middle and high black class in the UK - many blacks ignore the fact as it will only shed light on where they are themselves in life. There are: Lawyers Medical consultants Business owners Teachers Lecturers Property porfolio owners And the list goes on.
@ronshaft
@ronshaft 2 ай бұрын
I think this is a great point! I agree; it's another factor in this society that could divide us even further. Unfortunately, we fail to want to appreciate and respect each other's success.
@ronniep9272
@ronniep9272 2 ай бұрын
This is the I ly way young people can afford to buy houses now.
@Diddy1970AD
@Diddy1970AD 2 ай бұрын
£3000 + monthly take home pay, that's pretty good what does she/you do?
@KwaddyK
@KwaddyK Ай бұрын
Black Ghanaian. Grew up on a council estate in south London and worked my way to become a top 1% earner in the UK. Along the way, I realised my mindset had to change a lot. I used to waste a lot of money showing off wealth when I had no money. I hate showing wealth now (i find it cringing), think about my long-term savings, and constantly look to earn more income (Whilst balancing living a good life). I wish I saw more black people breaking the stereotypes the media portrays. I work in tech and unfortunately, I see few Black people compared to other ethnicities. And even fewer taking up leadership positions. This, in my opinion, makes it even harder for junior black employees to progress. It's a vicious circle. I would love to connect with other 'middle' class black people trying to bring up our community.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
you will waste your time trying to bring up our community, they will steal from you whilst you look the other way, focus on building wealth within your family.
@KwaddyK
@KwaddyK Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 I like to remain optimistic
@joanmuraguri7373
@joanmuraguri7373 Ай бұрын
I am not middle class but i am really keen to get into tech.I wish I can connect and get ideas from you
@kryptoniteee
@kryptoniteee Ай бұрын
How much you earning to be in the top 1%. My black brother made it man.
@proactivemimi6473
@proactivemimi6473 Ай бұрын
​@@thec5875lol family might be the first to steal from him 😅
@KeishaEke
@KeishaEke 2 ай бұрын
What some may need to remember is a lot of the older African generation are more likely to value building and owning homes in their native countries and would rather rent in the UK. Their plan is most likely to retire and return home. Not everyone wants to be tied down to a mortgage in the UK. In saying that, it’s harder than ever for the younger generation especially black to own certain assets, however we are better educated so can hopefully break generational curses and build wealth where there wasn’t the opportunity before.
@caliisbored8203
@caliisbored8203 2 ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@jennymurs88
@jennymurs88 Ай бұрын
True, I know a lot of african own houses back home. We just got our Mortgage but we still want to own a house back home. I'm 35 years old. I came to the UK at 15. My parents own home back home but rent in the UK.
@thegaz15
@thegaz15 Ай бұрын
most asians have second home in their native country
@seyley2901
@seyley2901 Ай бұрын
We need to break that skewed financial strategy. Most Black people live in Cities, the house prices inflate at various levels & rates. I bought my parents house for £170K (with a mortgate) in Ealing, London. I sold it for £1.7 million before the mortgage for the £170K needed to be repaid. If I did have a need to go and buy something 'back home', then I have the flexibility. But as I'm Black British and the fact that the country of my parents have no interest in me buying up one of their houses. Then I sit right here in the British countryside and pop off to my other properties when I feel like it. Please note this statement has nothing to do with bragging rights, but provides evidence of an alternative approach to the entrenched 'bad strategy that has been in place since the 50s.
@isychi7314
@isychi7314 Ай бұрын
This. They spent so many of their resources back home and never thought they should build wealth in the country they live. Hope it gets broken as u said.
@etherealdreams7936
@etherealdreams7936 2 ай бұрын
I work with a few guys that are still concerned about what trainers i am wearing. Coincidentally those gentlemen are lucky to live in council accommodation. I brought my albeit small flat in 2014 in South-east London with cash outright having lived like a monk for around 11 years working 2-3 jobs including nights. I am "Black British" Gen-X and i didn't receive any help from my parents. To bring this up to date i have a friend who his son and himself are looking to buy a house and have achieved the position as cash buyers having scrimped and saved in the last 7 years. Just as a footnote it was an elder who drilled into me the notion of sacrifice and the difference between "want and need" when i was around 25 that made me turn a corner.
@JohnJo-qn7wq
@JohnJo-qn7wq Ай бұрын
Ethnicity where your parents from?
@isychi7314
@isychi7314 28 күн бұрын
@@etherealdreams7936 I can say I'm in a similar position as you were. I work a number of different jobs alongside my main job. I buy things which are absolute needs and I'm still in my 20s. Sometimes people make you feel self conscious if they point out what you're wearing or talk about some of the jobs you do in an undignifying way(black people do this alot especially young black people, it's not common with Indians to see their young people mocking someone's job). But I've come to understand it's just for a short while till I get where I'm going
@etherealdreams7936
@etherealdreams7936 23 күн бұрын
@@JohnJo-qn7wq Jamaica
@etherealdreams7936
@etherealdreams7936 23 күн бұрын
@@JohnJo-qn7wq Jamaica
@TingTing-f1b
@TingTing-f1b Ай бұрын
A large majority of Black West Indians that arrived in the UK in the 60s married , worked extremely hard and stayed together as a solid family unit and bought a home , which in turn would have classed the masses as middle class . The following generations were more acceptable to dating outside their race, more than any other community that in turn stuck together and supported each other . It is deemed acceptable and cool for us Black people to have several kids with different partners , when in fact it’s repulsive and disgusting a family should try and stay together and share the same children . God willing one day we will fix up as a community and get our shit together . 🙏🏽
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@TingTing-f1b I think that the big problem is that there hasn't been a consistent transfer of knowledge and wisdom (and wealth) from the older generation to the next generation. For example, these elders build up some assets, but they should've been training up their children to inherit them and build on them. And they should've been teaching children as to the purpose and meaning of marruage. The more I think about it, it seems that our parents/grandparents didn't realise that their role as parents involved guiding their children through life. Maybe they thought that just being born and growing up in the UK would be enough for us to thrive. I'm genuinely baffled about this point.
@notknown6605
@notknown6605 Ай бұрын
@@elywanandawhy didn’t the younger generation just watch and learn like previous generations?
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h 24 күн бұрын
@@notknown6605 Because it was not their responsibility to raise themselves. Black British youth in the 60's, 70's and 80's underwent historic discrimination, disproportionately being labelled as subnormal and put into Special schools, harassed by police, racism in schools and more likely to be kicked out- meanwhile their OWN parents often further demonized them and believed 'massa.' Many of them rebelled and did their own thing as a result. Why don't you do research instead of asking silly questions? There's literally documentaries on this, it's socially documented.
@PeresD
@PeresD Ай бұрын
The thing is black people don’t think about generational wealth . When my parents came here from Jamaica in the 1950’s , only Caribbean people ,predominantly Jamaicans were buying houses . When property prices took off (1990’s -2000’s) they sold those houses,went back home and never passed it on the family . The first step to creating generational wealth for your family is property.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@PeresD That's a really important theme that a few other comments have mentioned. Do you know if many children of these returnees inherit their parents' property overseas?
@danbullock8146
@danbullock8146 Ай бұрын
Generational wealth doesn't benefit young people or young families. Sure your parents may have money but if you don't see it until they die and your 60+ years old yourself it doesn't help that much. With care homes costing circa 50k a year in UK, even very wealthy families don't give hand outs to family
@johnson2joy
@johnson2joy Ай бұрын
You are 100 % correct. When I was growing up in the 1960s all my fellow Caribbean friends parents owned their own homes when my English counterparts did not. What happened the racism was very very bad in the 1980s and many "Sold Up" and either returned to the Caribbean or went to the US to start again and yes most did not pass on the legacy to family members ie children. Many in the 1950/60s brought their homes out of necessity because council homes were not available to them and only was available later to single mothers etc etc. You are again correct, it is understanding the economic system per say. It is very very hard now for our young people. Thank you for stating the truth.
@SenegalSunflower
@SenegalSunflower 3 күн бұрын
My grandfather came here post war in the fifties. He bought property, fixed it up, sold it and built again in the Caribbean where he retired to. On his death, the Caribbean property was sold by his children, instead of being kept in the family. His adult children (my mother, aunts, uncles) squandered the modest proceeds of that sale and there is absolutely nothing for us, the struggling generation who cannot get on the property ladder and will have to be paying out for that generation’s funerals as they enter old age.
@elywananda
@elywananda 3 күн бұрын
@@SenegalSunflower Gosh, when you put it like that, it's a real calamity, this intergenerational breakdown. Children need to be crystal clear about expectations for when parents are no longer around, with regard to assets.
@pink221
@pink221 2 ай бұрын
I've been raising this topic with my own family for quite a while. The single household issue and the lack of building as a community together. Let's not also forget that mentality has a lot to do with it too. I've noticed that a lot of British Caribbeans (not all) have a consumer mentality, so instead of building assets, instead the main focus is to be "flashy" and display false wealth such as spending a lot of money on a brand new car that's on finance or buying things in general that decrease in value instead of appreciating in value, so those purchases become liabilities. Someone in my family (anonymous) was upset with me for buying a house that looks "ex-council" that is in a decent enough area because they said I could afford something better (better meaning bigger!). The affordable house I bought with my partner (just before the UK interest rate crisis) enables us to clear the mortgage through overpayments within 10 years and then that asset will belong to us and not the bank. Tying ourselves up with an additional £100,000 worth of debt didn't make any sense to me at all, just for the sake of vanity, when we can be free in the long run. I am 2nd generation British Caribbean and attempting to break down the fixed mindset that our community needs to break free from.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
That's the best thing that you're doing, having these convos with family and sharing your wisdom and experience. This is the biggest area a lot of families fail at. Over time, hopefully that plus them seeing the positive fruits in your life will lead to them shifting their mindsets too.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Sorry, but that’s not a ‘Caribbean’ thing. Otherwise companies would go bankrupt relying on them to support an industry. That’s a generation X/Millennial thing. 90% of WindRush generation owned their own homes by the 90’s. You’re just making things up to suit a narrative.
@pink221
@pink221 Ай бұрын
@THE-GUNG-GANG Who are you replying to? Just wondering.
@Lee-ic2yn
@Lee-ic2yn Ай бұрын
You just explained me, Im always spending money on useless stuff
@notknown6605
@notknown6605 Ай бұрын
I respect your reasoning but I’d never buy an ex council property.
@mulenjizapita5092
@mulenjizapita5092 2 ай бұрын
I’m black and grew up middle class. I own my own home as a result of living with my parents and saving for a couple of years. I’m really about generating more wealth but when I’ve banded other black people together, especially around my age, to create that, they just don’t take it seriously…guess it’s about finding the people and communities that do
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Yeah it's not easy actually collaborating with others. Even where you are on a similar page with someone, it can seem hard work to get things off the ground.
@SenegalSunflower
@SenegalSunflower 3 күн бұрын
I think a lot of the difficulty is financial illiteracy widespread in black uk community. Unless you received a good grounding in financial health via private education for example, or passed down by parents…you are apt to have a self-limiting outlook and handle on money. We may also experience myths around money due to indoctrination from churches we attend. In the mix also is deeply ingrained self esteem/self hate issues which lead to unconscious and conscious assumptions about the trustworthiness of others who look like us - in a nutshell we are more likely to put our trust and plough our means into white establishments than into that of our own people. There is the phenomenon of blacks who have “succeeded”, at least where money is concerned, marrying non-black, which represents further loss of the concentration of black wealth into outside hands and interests.
@elywananda
@elywananda 3 күн бұрын
@@SenegalSunflower Loads of big points in there to unpack!
@temi6034
@temi6034 2 ай бұрын
This video is good, this comment section is gold, as a black youth from a single parent household who isnt very connected to family back home, it feels like i'm starting at square one and there was no plan for me and my future. there are also little examples to follow and obtaining the correct guidance is difficult than compared to other races in the uk. i find it hard to establish any grounding and feel as my position is in this country isnt concrete. what would help is more representation and resources for those who belong to a diaspora.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
You're right, people are dropping some gems in these comments. The themes in the video have resonated hugely. It shows that a lot of us care deeply about these issues, which is encouraging.
@EngineTuning
@EngineTuning Ай бұрын
​@@elywananda It was an interesting video, with interesting comments. The video outlined the current state of wealth, and the comments explained why this is the current state of affairs. Your own explanation was 'lack of resource pooling'. However; for this suggestion to have any meaning (whatsoever), you would have to have outlined your vision for 'how this could be achieved'. The problem that you face, with this task, is that there is no realistic method to pool resources (other than marriage). Sure, there can be partnerships, only that they very often fail (for all sorts of human reasons), leaving one to carry the can. The ONLY realistic way to generate wealth, is to do it yourself. Work hard, scrimping and saving, until you can get on the property ladder (or invest in appreciating assets). You can't expect a successful man to start giving his money away, to build a community that will not make him money. His community is his immediate family. Other than that, he will invest his money, to make more money (for himself, and his immediate family). That's how he became comfortable, and middle class. Also; I'd like to point out the obvious: "We all black, ain't we, so lets work together", is silly American indoctrination. A black thief will rob a black family, no different to a white thief robbing a white family. A black bricklayer is going to work for whomever pays the most money ... no different to any other race of people. Like everyone; you are comprised of a broad range of individual people. You find your friends, avoid your enemies, and try (or not) to achieve your potential. Being of any race, it's the same. So where does 'blackness' come into play? All our parents 'scrimped & saved' from the 50's onward. What's perhaps sad, or annoying, is that your parents (in large numbers) sent their savings back to the home country. If they had not done that, they would have created generational wealth. You would have built your wealth, AND inherited your parents wealth! Clearly; that's where 'blackness' come into play. Through no fault of your own; the first generation Caribbeans (and Africans), had a culture of sending their savings to their families back home ... where, very often, the money was simply consumed. An obscure custom, that is a common denominator. Other than that unfortunate reality, you are in the same boat as everyone else. Recognising that, might immunise you from American indoctrination, that makes you apart from everyone else. Automatic assumption that you are victims ... who must call to band together (to fight the directly targeted oppression). Meanwhile; some guy (who happens to be black), has found himself a good woman. She's good at budgeting, and making lots from little (in work), while he works, and does those manly things. Good 'salt of the earth' working class people, looking to build a family, and achieve a comfortable life. So, 'black' is not the common denominator. Working class is (for those who are), the common denominator. What do you think, Ely?
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@EngineTuning Thanks for this, you've raised some very important points which definitely need unpacking. Just on the initial point, I do think that marriage and family are the only proven mechanisms to share and pass on wealth. I do think that friends should try and collaborate but this then requires a high level of trust, shared values and accountability. And these are in low supply in this day and age.
@abiikr4773
@abiikr4773 Ай бұрын
have you tried byp? they may have what you're looking for in terms of community that are interested in home ownership
@Crystal-t6g
@Crystal-t6g 2 ай бұрын
How can we build together when we are always, working against each other. My mother was struggling so l helped her purchase a house of our own. The mortgage was in both our names and l paid we spilt the bills between us. Few years later she got my sister from abroad to forge my signature and sold the house behind my back. I had no ideal because l had married move house and was still paying the mortgage and half the bills. This cruel behaviour is typical, l tried to help her all the way and instead she betrayed my trust. 🇬🇧🇯🇲🤦🏾‍♀️
@lavonnealexander6936
@lavonnealexander6936 2 ай бұрын
Why are Jamaican mothers like this ? My mom is Jamaican Canadian and try’s to do foolishness
@DJ-uk5mm
@DJ-uk5mm 2 ай бұрын
Bad luck. And I’m sorry for your experience of betrayal But please forgive her as she gave you the most important gift… life …………..you don’t need anything else from her but she also taught you some important lessons too
@davifdavid4347
@davifdavid4347 2 ай бұрын
My mother betrayed me, too. She is Jamaican born. I was saving for a deposit on a house. She had access to the funds as treasurer for my plan,but behind my back,decided to give my money to her family in Jamaica. She destroyed me just to make herself look good. My experience caused me to speak to other back people, and that's when I discovered that this type of betrayal is absolutely common place amongst the black communities of the world.
@paulonvula6495
@paulonvula6495 2 ай бұрын
That's sad. Our mothers are the last we ever think to perform the ultimate betrayal on us and when it happens it's hard to come to terms with. Hope you have forgiven her and found peace. Though it's a hard lesson, definitely grew as a person.
@davifdavid4347
@davifdavid4347 2 ай бұрын
@paulonvula6495 When family betray in this manner,it is a form of murder. Your soul dies within you. All of your hard work,dreams,and aspirations for the future are gone in an instant. There are so many black people out there who have experienced the same thing. It's absolutely frightening how many there are whose lives have been trashed by the people they trusted the most. I've got over it now,but having to start over again, from a position of debt because of my mother's greed,has been the most painful part of this tragedy. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that,as a people,we are very much so,our own worst enemies. Your videos are very interesting. Keep up the good work.
@jojo3033
@jojo3033 2 ай бұрын
i’m a 23 year old and iv made it my mission to build a 10k stock portfolio that will be able to compound over time, this is the generation that has to amass real wealth globally
@SystemParanoia
@SystemParanoia Ай бұрын
Don't overthink it. Just put it in a stocks and shares ISA with nutmeg, or your bank or whoever.. and put that energy you saved into building yourself and your life.
@KwaddyK
@KwaddyK Ай бұрын
​@@SystemParanoia Agree. Get yourself a S&S ISA (S&P 500 or similar). Then put all the energy into landing into generating income for yourself. At 23, you could be earning 10k a month within a few years if you're focused!
@greni7472
@greni7472 2 ай бұрын
I am white and got little financial or practical help from family when buying a house (it was run down and needed lots of work). As a couple both working, once the children were grown up things have become much easier. Two incomes and supporting one another definitely helps.
@sugarsaint
@sugarsaint Ай бұрын
👍🏿
@jasminekelson4990
@jasminekelson4990 2 ай бұрын
I think what might be quite poignant to take note of is that for many Africans we tend to buy our houses at home. You might find that some of us have more than one house back home. Many of us have no interest in buying in england because it's not worth it, nor do we consider it our final destination. Many of us want to return back home anyway regardless of whether we were born in england or not. The way that microaggression is set up in england not all of us want to be tied to that for the rest of our days. Many of my Caribbean friends also say the same nowadays.
@chrisalmighty
@chrisalmighty Ай бұрын
You basically want to take back some of the colonial wealth and return it back home 🏡. But it doesn't hurt to have some equity in England to pass onto future generations to have a starting point so building double wealth in both places.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Never works out. Land owned in England is more secure. If you bought land in Africa, one can be killed over it
@uchenna127
@uchenna127 2 ай бұрын
There is no black community (in the UK), no more than there is a yellow community or brown community. Let them show the real stats. Comparing Indians to black people is a false equivalence, because India is a nation of people, whereas black is a "race" of people. Now, comparing British Indians to British Ghanaians, for example, would give you a more accurate depiction of the happenings of the various so called "black" people in the UK. I think, the "African" stats, at least as a collective, will always be skewed by asylum seekers and the like.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Excellent point. It is frustrating the way we're all lumped together. I think there are some more disaggregated data for local areas, so I'll see what I can find.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw 2 ай бұрын
Black people are not united in the UK they are out for themselves
@uchenna127
@uchenna127 2 ай бұрын
@@ZuliailuZ183 That was 2 decades ago.
@user-dp8gz6sc1j
@user-dp8gz6sc1j 2 ай бұрын
If you don't see community other people sees it as a protection for them and their interest!! There is nothing you can do about that because they control the game and you don't!! You life is a circle of remonstrance about racism each time they try to protect what belong to them. Community is a safe shelter in human competition for the resource. Those without community are destined to stay at the bottom like black people.
@cryptok_ww4712
@cryptok_ww4712 2 ай бұрын
Black is not even an accurate descriptor. Nigerians and Jamaicans are different, we can no longer agree to be grouped by this baseless category. Chinese and Indians are Asians but they aren’t grouped. It’s nonsense.
@remstarsezso4135
@remstarsezso4135 2 ай бұрын
Alot of our people would rather finance a BMW or Mercedes than invest In assets.. you can't stunt a stock portfolio or a home the way you can a car or designer clothes
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw 2 ай бұрын
Black people have never bothered to invest in homes and saving thier money only intersted In raving and black men interested in chasing white women in the UK SAD.
@IntrovertMaxxing
@IntrovertMaxxing 2 ай бұрын
@@Wayne-fn1sw why you always after the BM? lol what are the BW doing? Why do they have the highest abortion rates, highest lone parenting rate and the lowest marriage rates? Why are BW wearing tight jeans and a crop top to church? Hardly the beacon of morality and faithfulness
@jokeaaaa
@jokeaaaa 2 ай бұрын
You've hit the nail right on the head...People buying big cars to show off and living with mum and dad...The priority has always been, property, land and more property to gain wealth, not depreciating assets like cars...Mononpoly and my dad buying houses fixing them up taught me a lot as a kid...Just wish more black people had an insight into this knowledge early doors
@not_ever
@not_ever Ай бұрын
White working class people are like this as well. So are a lot of the Pakistani people I know. Some of the most minted people I know in this country drive old beat up cars and have the most basic wardrobe. If you are really wealthy and generationally wealthy you don’t need to prove it to anyone. Also it’s not a surprise that some people are poor because they don’t know and never learned how to manage money because their parents were also poor.
@Riku_addict
@Riku_addict 2 ай бұрын
Lack of community and solidarity is also the problem and conected to lone living. The Asians live together and work together and contribute together helping themselves.
@ContrarianExpatriate
@ContrarianExpatriate 2 ай бұрын
Not true because whites highly perform in the statistics while living individually and alone also.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
That’s because Africans are tribal. Caribbean don’t trust one another and on top of that. Blk folks originate from 60+ countries and we all think ours is ‘more special’. Asians have extreme racism/tribalism, but come from far fewer cultures
@TechRyze
@TechRyze Ай бұрын
Except - "Asians" DON'T "live and work together and contribute together helping themselves." Chinese and Japanese aren't living with Pakistanis and Bangladeshi, Koreans & Thais. Because you see some light brown people helping each other, doesn't equate to all of the dark brown people being at fault for not all helping each other. This is exactly the problem. These aren't all the same people, based on how brown they are. Irish people aren't helping Russians to get ahead.
@patriotfire882
@patriotfire882 Ай бұрын
@@TechRyzethese guys appropriated black American talking points lol, their not even “black” Their Nigerian, Jamaican..etc and Pakistanis and Indians don’t get along due to religion
@seanjohnbig2664
@seanjohnbig2664 2 ай бұрын
Another reason for the wealth disparity is inheritance...Whites are more likely to inherit assets from their parents vs ppl of african descent (carribeans included) There was an article i read on bloomberg some years ago which covered racial wealth inequality in the US. The research showed that having higher levels of education (bachelors, masters, phd) each helped narrow the gap versus whotes but the biggest factor came down to inheritance. Each generation of africans of descent started from scratch whereas whites on average built on the wealth of the previous generation
@IntrovertMaxxing
@IntrovertMaxxing 2 ай бұрын
Yes, and this is a cultural issue. Our parents expect us to give them money even while they are capable of working.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Defo! This is why it's a long game. Owning a house for example shouldn't just be seen as something for us in this life - it's also an asset for our children who can then have that security on which to build. We need to develop an intergenerational mindset that thinks in terms of centuries and not just years and decades.
@seanjohnbig2664
@seanjohnbig2664 2 ай бұрын
Not everyone might be able to afford to buy a house and as such there are other asset rich alternatives to housing such as stocks. For example the Nasdaq 100 is up 925% in the past 10years...One can buy shares in EQQQ etf which tracks the Nasdaq 100.... The money we spend on depreciating assets like cars and designers can be invested in the stock market
@IntrovertMaxxing
@IntrovertMaxxing 2 ай бұрын
@@elywananda absolutely bro
@IntrovertMaxxing
@IntrovertMaxxing 2 ай бұрын
@@seanjohnbig2664 I'd say a house should be prioritised over stocks. Especially when you're over 30...
@ManchesterBlue1894
@ManchesterBlue1894 2 ай бұрын
Our people might not own any assets but a lot of us drive nice cars, buy designer labels and live above our means. That's what we value (not me personally)
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Yeah it does seem that way to an extent, unfortunately. But then again, it's probably the same with other people of similar socioeconomic backgrounds.
@lindaajide2115
@lindaajide2115 2 ай бұрын
Yeah instant gratification. It’s why don’t really take up life insurance even though we have lower life expectancy.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
@@lindaajide2115 Wow, that's a sobering point about life insurance and life expectancy.
@gardeniainbloom812
@gardeniainbloom812 2 ай бұрын
Amos Wilson mentions when you inculcate an inferiority complex in a people it is to the betterment of the dominant group. Buying designer goods and putting so much emphasis on appearance is an attempt to compensate for feeling inferior and living in a racist society. In other words we're trying to signal to others we're worthy and just as good as. It is also much easier to go shopping and buy nice things than to save for a mortgage. I learned that other groups are rarely trying to get on the property ladder alone. Even lower-classed wp get their start from a family member via help with deposits or passing on a business. We're coming from behind and rarely get help. But until we get committed partnerships to raise children within in it won't change. Even when we do get married I see the men (and I'm speaking from what I've seen so get mad if you want to) treat the family as disposable. Their bodies are in the home but they're not engaged or when things go south they're comfortable leaving their children behind thinking weekend visits are enough. We need to get real.
@gardeniainbloom812
@gardeniainbloom812 2 ай бұрын
@@lindaajide2115 Do British black's have a lower life expectancy than other groups (adjusting for kn!fe crime)?
@Jen-Inspired
@Jen-Inspired 2 ай бұрын
I think you need to account for the fact that most Africans in the UK don't see it as their permanent home. They work in the UK to build assets in Africa
@caliisbored8203
@caliisbored8203 2 ай бұрын
This!!!
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Which will amount to nothingness
@Jen-Inspired
@Jen-Inspired Ай бұрын
@@miamitten1123 ok
@djlivvy46
@djlivvy46 Ай бұрын
What happens to the children and grandchildren that are still living in this country?
@donquixote3292
@donquixote3292 Ай бұрын
@@miamitten1123exactly because africa is shit and within 2 generations the houses they've built are destroyed or lost in inheritance disputes between their children
@KufreOkon
@KufreOkon Ай бұрын
Ever heard of something called ‘Black Tax’? I don’t know about Black Caribbeans, but we Black Africans ‘pay’ black tax. It is estimated that in 2022, Africans living in the UK sent nearly £800million back to Africa, an increase of 5% from previous year. An average black African immigrant is likely to have an investment back in Africa - usually property investments. It would be interesting to see how this factors into all the data.
@Habboskems
@Habboskems Ай бұрын
Calling it a tax makes it sounds like a mandatory 'forced' expense. I understand the point, and why it's so essential for some, but I believe it needs a different label.
@KufreOkon
@KufreOkon Ай бұрын
@@Habboskems that’s how it’s referred to within the community. And in all honestly, it’s sort of forced for some people. Well, not forced, but a moral obligation if that sounds better 😃
@adeolaakinbiyi4028
@adeolaakinbiyi4028 Ай бұрын
Well it's not a tax it's an investment and helping your family. Most Asians do this too
@user-le7xs5mq4y
@user-le7xs5mq4y Ай бұрын
Interesting??
@uzoejekwumadu7731
@uzoejekwumadu7731 Ай бұрын
😊 Good you mentioned this factor that has not been given much attention in pigeonholing Africans into social classes.
@iheardyoulikeme
@iheardyoulikeme 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. What’s shameful is that if this were not coming from someone like yourself, then the community would be up in arms citing all sorts of excuses behind the numbers and simply turn a blind eye. We need a hard reflection of ourselves and the conversation starts with content like this
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. I hope to start conversations that lead to positive change - even for a single person.
@jusmereee
@jusmereee 2 ай бұрын
This information needs to go virallllll!
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully it will, and it will encourage more of us to take the steps needed to build wealth and security.
@kinkykoils6176
@kinkykoils6176 2 ай бұрын
Pooling resources is such an understated way to get on the property ladder/generate wealth. I tell you the first time i knew friends could buy a house together was in Uni 2018. The accommodation i lived in was owned by a group of friends (one of them inherited the property then got his friends to invest). What was most shocking is these friends were just a few years out of Uni. I was impressed and I've been thinking about it ever since. I do know of what'sapp groups where they post homes one can buy but it always seems geared towards individuals. Right now i know a property in central london one could buy with an income of 60K which can be split by multiple people. Our lack of community is our biggest obstacle , i do hope we can band together.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Wow, that's deep. It's such a shame that people are so individualistic. Even on very modest salaries, working together can achieve huge amounts. We just need to prioritise making good, trustworthy, honourable friends that we can collaborate with.
@user-uw1pq4be8z
@user-uw1pq4be8z Ай бұрын
I know quite a few black millionaires but we keep it on the Down Low because for some reason we receive a lot of hate from own community. Most of us are landlords but a few have opened shops and other businesses. When I started, I had a office job, an early morning cleaning job and and a job sorting mail in the evenings. I also moved back home with my parents and did not spend any money on holidays, cars ect. for 2 years
@reduitman
@reduitman 2 ай бұрын
The opportunity is there for everyone. 1 get a sound education 2 Appropriate training 3 Employment 4 saving 5 investing 6 building a business. 7 property purchase. 8 Aim to be debt free before you reach retirement age. Following this simple method changes things big time but it does not happen over night.
@darrengraham3162
@darrengraham3162 2 ай бұрын
Agree, I have always stated that you must ne me mortgage free before you retire and all debts paid off. If you feel the need to carry on working when you can retire you will be quids in.
@notknown6605
@notknown6605 Ай бұрын
It’s not easy to get a sound education. Most state schools are rubbish.
@recrp1
@recrp1 2 ай бұрын
Pooling and sharing knowledge above sharing £. How to select schools, how to access grants and bursaries for private education, how to navigate your way through 11+ and grammars. What subjects to study, resources for work experience what colleges and universities to attend, how to manage academic failure. Entrepreneurship, how to access funding and other resources for business. The list goes on from housing to healthcare to the job market and much much more.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
All of that and more, exactly 🙏🏿
@theblessedblackwoman
@theblessedblackwoman 2 ай бұрын
This is perfect! I wish I was taught all of this when young but thank God is okay. I literally sat and watched and mirrored people who had made it. I stuck around them and that gave me the inspiration I needed. Church really helped, then mentorship programmes etc.
@TechRyze
@TechRyze Ай бұрын
THIS is valuable.
@yasminx16
@yasminx16 Ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯
@daliaa5294
@daliaa5294 2 ай бұрын
Well I can speak for Nigerians. We like to show off and look rich. Expensive Weddings, lace front wigs, financing cars, eating out , expensive holidays Sending money to Africa and building a house there when you don’t even have a mortgage in the UK We like to stay in social housing too. It’s cheaper yes but you don’t build equity
@lavonnealexander6936
@lavonnealexander6936 2 ай бұрын
Not all Nigerians are like that, especially in Canada they are smart here.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
@@lavonnealexander6936you’re missing the point. Also, Canada!? They’re a tiny , tiny minority there
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h Ай бұрын
At least your honest. Most Africans online LOVE to act like they're doing so much better than Caribbeans but the stats say otherwise.
@lavonnealexander6936
@lavonnealexander6936 Ай бұрын
@@miamitten1123 tiny ? Girl you know nothing. Ain’t no tiny Nigerian community
@Stinkmeaner420
@Stinkmeaner420 Ай бұрын
Compared to the uk, they are a tiny percentage and far less established​@@lavonnealexander6936 a lot of naij in the uk are second even third generation brits, such as myself, due to windrush. The ones in Canada only really started arriving maybe in the last 20 or so years because the immigration process is fairly straightforward and pr is easy to obtain
@ronshaft
@ronshaft 2 ай бұрын
Super content! I'm in the process of completing a thesis on black middle-class fathers in the UK. For sure, this video highlights the need for black people (regardless of birthplace!) to come together to create black wealth that can aid further generations.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! That sounds like a very interesting thesis.
@pablo_fre5hcobar
@pablo_fre5hcobar 2 ай бұрын
What are some of the things you've found out?
@a.m.icadete7578
@a.m.icadete7578 2 ай бұрын
Stop this bullshit of imitating Americans. I'm an Angolan, my primary goal is my Angolan community. Our mindset is primarily to go back home. You wouldn't find us on the list of property owners in the UK. However, you'll find us in the top ten of property owners in Portugal. We invest where it makes sense to us. The Portuguese property market was much cheaper for us compared to the UK. And the majority of us want to go home at some point. To us it makes sense to invest at home and in a country where our hard earned money goes further. Stop grouping people just because they share your skin tone. I personally, don't care about most people that don't share my background. A lot of you in the diaspora are just pathetic. The majority of the groups you compare yourself to, have no intention of ever going back where they come from. A very good example is Indians. From the second generation, they cut ties with India to a 90% degree. Hence why, they have to be fully invested in the country they're in.
@Resoundinglyavergage
@Resoundinglyavergage 2 ай бұрын
Your content keeps on getting better and better. I keep telling my friends that they cannot afford to live in London and this video really does help to explain why. There is definitely a major problem within the black community and these videos are doing a great job in highlighting the issues.
@twopocketsfull8859
@twopocketsfull8859 2 ай бұрын
The problem we have as a black ‘community’ in the UK is that we aren’t really the same. We don’t all have the same languages, culture/values etc, for example successful minorities seem to have the same culture, same language and tend to lean to conservative values, they also tend to put resources in their communities which lays a foundation for the following generation to build on.
@Natta44
@Natta44 2 ай бұрын
Like there are whole Pakistani neighbourhoods with shops, barbers, markets etc. We don't seem to have that same community spirit of building something. Feel like black people were more raised to go out to the world alone and make a better life to show people back home they've made it. That's the feeling I got from my Nigerian father. I think he sent money home and would buy gifts for his family and lend them money. They all thought he was rich because he bought a home on a mortgage.. probs hard to do in the 80s but we lived well below our means. Wealth building is difficult because we don't have generations passing it down. Most black people in the UK today are 1st gen or 2nd immigrants. I'm in a mixed family, so really in a generation or 2, everyone will be white as my mixed bro and sister both married white people. I've yet to marry but live in a white area.. so there was no way we were ever going to connect wirh a black community anyway. That's the problem, we lived in a very middle class area but would say we as a family were working class. He was a police officer. Mother was a hairdresser.
@twopocketsfull8859
@twopocketsfull8859 2 ай бұрын
@@Natta44 100% agree with you man, Now imagine being Caribbean bro, most of my generation of family members are mixed and only one of my cousins has a black child, both sets of my grandparents built houses back home we still have one which we plan on keeping but the other was sold for virtually nothing, and my grandad spent thousands on it. And yeah the Pakistani community do it the right way man marry within in their culture, buy numerous properties within their area etc. When you go to a predominantly black areas more often the nothing is owned by us you might get the odd black takeaways etc put they’re mostly rented from other communities anyway it’s sad man because I can’t see a way for this to change even the places we buy our afro hair products and food from aren’t owned by us.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
@@Natta44that generation thing may apply to Africans, but most Caribbeans are 4th/5th generation teenagers. Let alone babies. Your siblings to marry white is not about area. They felt that white was/is ‘better’.
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h Ай бұрын
@@miamitten1123 Why are you inserting yourself into Black people's business?
@patriotfire882
@patriotfire882 Ай бұрын
@@twopocketsfull8859blacks are like that all over the world, here in Canada, america, Brazil..etc in the Uk I think Caribbeans are going extinct cause yall like yt meat too much, self hate is the primary issue maybe IQ not sure.
@IKeepReal
@IKeepReal Ай бұрын
A lot of black carribean families wait around for inheritance from their windrush parents and then fall out with each other over the will. Asset ownership has got less and less through black carribean generations due to the high divorce rate in the second generation. Also, second-generation communities broke away to chase employment opportunities and family feuds, etc. The third generation black uk carribeans have effectively been less to fend for themselves with no direct connections back to the carribean. Just stranded individuals, hence the lone living. Then the second generation criticises that third generation needs to date and marry their own, yet the third generation dont have any authentic community to do that. Also, how thrid generations rebuild a carribean community with no connection to the carribean apart from food and music. The third generation has been left with nothing. Individuals connected by fashion, food, music, and carnival (more financial spend) but no economic connection. My advice is two choices.. integrate or immigrate and be positive with either choice. Just dont be a lone individual trying to stick with your "own kind" trying to repair what the second generation has broken.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@IKeepReal A comment in keeping with your handle! That last sentence in particular is a bitter pill for many, but it's just realism.
@user-rn3bb3dj4p
@user-rn3bb3dj4p 2 ай бұрын
I’m Somali and have lived in western countries almost thirty years now, the reason why these statistics are hard to examine because you have to further subcategorise new wave of Africans to older wave of Africans. The Africans that arrived before my family, mainly West Indian, Ghanaian, Nigerians are very educated and have mostly integrated into the society, intermarried etc and basically are not black migrants, as for the wave that came with my family late eighties and early nineties are mixed blue collar & white collar working class with some sort of portfolio to their name, as for those who have come post 2000’s and esp the current wave who are arriving illegally, it’s not fair to add them into the stats, unfortunately they are being added
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Yeah all very good points. That's the thing with statistics, they usually bring up as many questions as answers. My family were among the earlier wave when Caribbeans made up like 80% of Black folks here. It was rare to meet Africans who weren't Ghanaian or Nigerian.
@user-rn3bb3dj4p
@user-rn3bb3dj4p 2 ай бұрын
@@elywananda when your adding new comers, fobs into statistics of a large diverse make up of ppl, it will turn out false.
@hannah60000
@hannah60000 2 ай бұрын
We would need to define “black British” and measure those people. However, for each ethnic minority group, they are balancing their British [insert ethnicity] alongside newer arrivals from said ethnic group.
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h Ай бұрын
@@hannah60000 Black British people should be people who have at least three generations in the UK- that is to say, they contributed to the creating a distinct Black British identity based upon Arts and Cultural expression which has impacted the UK. Foundationally that would be Windrush people, their descendants and Commonwealth Africans who arrived in the 60's-70's.
@TechRyze
@TechRyze Ай бұрын
Yep - all added to the stats as 'black', which is a nonsense. A massive proportion of the world's population are 'Black'. If we consider, for example, East Asian people specifically - people from only a tiny proportion of that region are settled in the UK. PLUS 'East Asian' is only one region of Asia. On the other hand, 'black' includes people from a population approaching 2 billion people from 60-80 countries. It's pretty much a nonsense in terms of statistics. Which 'black' people?
@mrkeithmorgan1
@mrkeithmorgan1 20 күн бұрын
It's videos like these that make me pause when I think about deleting KZfaq. Thank you. Just subscribed, keep up the good work.
@dietkebab
@dietkebab 2 ай бұрын
You're spot on. In most Western countries, property ownership is at the epicentre of wealth creation. You just have to look at countries with significant black middle class. From African countries to the United States (having the largest middle -class population outside Africa), most black middle class in these places own properties. Some of the reasons for this (not in all cases) - Misplaced priorities, distorted or insular views/opinion within the black community. it is sadly endemic.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
In my earlier years, my issue was that a) I just didn't comprehend the importance of owning any assets, including property. That sort of thing seemed like something for 'middle aged' people, not me.
@tiffanydash3609
@tiffanydash3609 2 ай бұрын
The reason is because London is too teef lol
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Dunno why this made me laugh so much!
@rainstormwind
@rainstormwind Ай бұрын
Yet Indians don't have much problem making it work for themselves. Priorities, discipline, hard work, and family orientation.
@omarchin-keow5319
@omarchin-keow5319 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this brief dive on Uk black sociology. Great stats based research 👌🏾
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Yes I, my pleasure!
@theblessedblackwoman
@theblessedblackwoman 2 ай бұрын
Im not sure how this ended up on my landing page but i have been binge watching the Ramsey podcast in the last few days. I really love this video and believe that one of the reasons why black people dont think about aquiring appreciating assets is our focus on being "rich on the outside". Having worked in personal finance for a few years ive seen client on 18K a year build some good wealth by investing about 15 -25% of their net wages in their portfolios. Of course, looking at their clothes carefully picked from charity shops, you'll never know they have such wealth. Most black people (and many others eg whites), prefer to buy expensive depreciating stuff (clothes, watches, cars) instead. Im sending this video to my children to remind them of what ive been drumming into their heads for years. Hopefully they will listen since you are a man. Lovely video. Good morning.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Hey family, I'm very happy to hear this and I hope I can in some way help your children!
@joehouston2833
@joehouston2833 2 ай бұрын
The problem with the census is that, when it comes to black people, it's too generalized.. For example, somalians some considered themselves black and some don't but we all know they have the least income and also are least educated compared to West Africans and also East Africans like Kenyans and Ugandans..
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Someone else made a similar point. But the figures do give us a starting point with regard to us as a whole. I'll certainly include more detailed analysis in future videos.
@joehouston2833
@joehouston2833 2 ай бұрын
@@brofrombrum8502 PEW Research.. It's really not that difficult mate. Also, not true.. some Somalis don't consider themselves black but Arab.
@joehouston2833
@joehouston2833 2 ай бұрын
@@brofrombrum8502 "Own biases" Yeah.. I think we're done here lol. Have a good day 👍🏾
@zmh786
@zmh786 2 ай бұрын
Man said scewed
@P_Prospering
@P_Prospering 2 ай бұрын
True, it’s only now the younger generation of Somalis are working now in more professionals jobs compared to the older generation of Somalis. Even when it comes to home ownership. Somalis will be included in black Africans but I saw somewhere that 90% of Somalis don’t own a property in the uk so you’re correct the census is too generalised.
@rainhas.7095
@rainhas.7095 2 ай бұрын
ANOTHER excellent video, you are spoiling us, thank you for your work!!
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! It's a pleasure to do these.
@FA9082
@FA9082 2 ай бұрын
Yes this is a great video, and Ely is like the only person I see talking about this on KZfaq
@typhoomantis1172
@typhoomantis1172 Ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video, refreshing to talk about Black British people, something we dont hear about often.
@mr_wormhole
@mr_wormhole Ай бұрын
very interesting and insightful video, thanks for the information and analysis, quite logical analysis
@sulaak
@sulaak 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant analysis, black people need to setup their game.
@anngore3842
@anngore3842 2 ай бұрын
Blk men need to step up their game, period.
@faebalina7786
@faebalina7786 2 ай бұрын
There isn’t really much of anything Black British in the U.K. We need to have a unified voice and institutions that represent our interests.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw 2 ай бұрын
Black people are not united all they do is complain about racism and injustice in the UK.
@stuntmansynyster
@stuntmansynyster 2 ай бұрын
You're joking right? National black police association. Black equity organisation. Black British city group. Black leadership group. Black minds matter. 100 black men of London. Southall black sisters. London black womens project. Black environment network. Operation black vote. Urban synergy. Kwanda. The black curriculum. Stopwatch uk. Shall I continue.......
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 2 ай бұрын
@@stuntmansynyster everything you mentioned there has no real correlation to power or economics. They’re just feel good entities, that don’t actually move the needle. Not only that, most of those groups say they’re for “black people”, but when you take a closer look, they’re actually making moves for everybody, but black people.
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
@@stuntmansynystera lot of those organisations have Asians in there. Some even as the head. Pointless calling it black this or that when the person is Indian
@brokerhouse5642
@brokerhouse5642 2 ай бұрын
Someone sent me this link and I agree with everything you are saying, I am an estate practitioner, and most of my clients are from our community when I sit down and have a conversation with them it is about educating them, and making them aware of their choices, but most importantly for me is building that trust, they open up and feel free to talk about their personal situation then the knowledge becomes personal to them, generational wealth is important in all areas of our lives, thank you for your video
@DMAKKMUSIC
@DMAKKMUSIC 2 ай бұрын
Excellent content Ely, we definitely need more of this! Generally speaking white brits tend to pass on greater inheritance to their children from grandparents/parents. Asians favour careers in STEM which are financially rewarding. They also prioritise the family unit meaning lower divorce rates and higher household incomes. Based on the information outlined in this video this will further the gap until we as a community change things around.
@flavioteixeira2766
@flavioteixeira2766 25 күн бұрын
Top video I’ve been talking about this subject with my friends every time we had this kind conversation
@tehutispeaks
@tehutispeaks Күн бұрын
Strong talk. Good Show my Bruva.
@elywananda
@elywananda Күн бұрын
@@tehutispeaks Thanks good brother 🙏🏿
@harveynewman
@harveynewman Ай бұрын
I’ve been saying this to my family members for quite a while now but the way you broke down the issue is much more eloquent. I’ll be sharing this. Great video!
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Thank you fam ✊🏿
@darrengraham3162
@darrengraham3162 2 ай бұрын
Once again a thought provoking video which will undoubtedly hurt a number of people. Two incomes means more chance of buying a property, that property becomes an inheritance to your off spring. I hold up hands and I admit that I made mistakes, my mum encouraged me to buy house when started work in 89 but I did not. Cut a long story short I purchased a house with my partner we have two kids and are married, should have married a lot sooner.. We are both above average earners. I would encourage men to man up and marry the women you have children with and build wealth that is why so many of us do not have any assets. My mum purchased her home on her own which she owns, she has been retired a long time.I love the fact that her hard work in the health service has paid off and she is very comfortable. However, not ideal to raise a child on her own but I'm proud of her. My wife has be magnificent with kids and both have degrees but the journey has not been easy. Do a video if you have not on education and can discuss private education and grammar schools.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience and for your suggestion Darren!
@streetfashiontv9149
@streetfashiontv9149 2 ай бұрын
There is a black middle class but it gets absorbed into the mainstream middle class.
@randolphramsay3931
@randolphramsay3931 2 ай бұрын
Hi, what do you mean?
@streetfashiontv9149
@streetfashiontv9149 2 ай бұрын
@@randolphramsay3931 A class hierarchical system is based on the number of people that meet a specific criteria for each level of that system. Historically, what defines the middle class is education level, socio-economic status and being a business owner. It's a numbers game and if you imagine a pyramid with the working/lower class forming the base of the pyramid with greater population density whilst the middle section of the pyramid consists of a lower number of people than the base it has a higher number of people than the upper classes/nobility. Despite its more narrow population density the middle class still has significantly more economic, social and political power than there working class counterparts. Arguably, it is the part of the pyramid that keeps society stable. Once you remove the middle class what you get is a greater divide between the rich and poor and ultimately Victorian harsh Darwinian conditions. It is important to note that whilst it is rare for anyone from a black ethnic group to be born into a middle class family they do exist but the numbers are so small that they are virtually invisible to most working class black people hence they get 'absorbed into the mainstream middle class'. They will usually distance themselves from their black working class counterparts because other than their skin colour and cultural background their will be few things that they have in common. These individuals are usually high achiever's many of which will have Conservative values and will also have a more rounded understanding of how society works and the importance of family and building a home in which to raise 'educated' children compared to their black working class counterparts. In the US because racial lines are more decisive and America has larger black population it means that the black middle class are more visible. This was documented in the African American reality show like Baldwin Hills and Harlem Heights and of course in popular TV shows like the Cosby show and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. There isn't this presence in the UK so the black middle class will move into predominantly white middle class areas and they will have predominantly middle class friends. Immigration also has a key role in the class hierarchical system as more black ethnic groups in the UK from East Africa in recent years and Afro Latino's from South American countries and the Dominican Republic etc serves to expand the bottom of the pyramid and in doing so it reinforces the view that all black people live in poor areas. However, the black community in the UK has come a long way from the black family archetype portrayed in the popular 90's TV show Desmond's. There are much more home owners now in the UK black community which has increased significantly due to shared ownership and similar schemes but these home owners are still part of the working class and as pointed out many are still single black mother households. Perhaps these figures will change in the near future with the rise of the Tech industry and more opportunity to be a business owner. Note: Historically, in Britain the middle class were the merchant class and the 'true' middle class were considered to be those born into middle class households as opposed to those defined as lower middle class which compromised of social climbers who were born into the lower or working class but 'climbed' up the social ladder. Watch the series Downton Abbey to get an idea of the old class structure in Britain before the second world war.
@80skid83
@80skid83 2 ай бұрын
​@@randolphramsay3931I think what that means that most black ppl , that do have money end up in inter racial relationships and have more friends outside of their race , so the few that do have money the wealth is wiped from the black middle class spectrum. Furthermore they invest in goods that are not black businesses or made by black ppl so the wealth eventually is going away from the black communities
@80skid83
@80skid83 2 ай бұрын
​@@randolphramsay3931I actually answered your question, but my comment has disappeared perhaps it's a bit strong
@MrJeffHead
@MrJeffHead 2 ай бұрын
How it should be. Money is colour blind.
@brendanwalker5636
@brendanwalker5636 Ай бұрын
I’m a black man from a council estate and I’m now on a wage of 63,000 a year just been offered 100k role and I’m a landlord. It took me 12 years in the military to get the tools and education needed but it’s possible. Issue is most people from a council estate and public schools aren’t given the tools and mindset needed to strive, but to serve or to have a hand out whilst our culture is to point fingers to blame others rather than make a fist and fight for our own dreams.
@donquixote3292
@donquixote3292 Ай бұрын
what was it like being a black brit in the british military. i have a (23 yr old) son who wants to join but we're a bit worried about how it'll be for him inside?
@SK-kh2rs
@SK-kh2rs 2 ай бұрын
If the high earning individuals marry outside their race are they considered a successful black family? If their children don’t marry black then the successful individual grandchildren are mostly non-black.
@CaliToTheCrowd
@CaliToTheCrowd 2 ай бұрын
Wealth is NOT income. The richest people own assets that make them more money. If you walk on the street, you'll think us black people are balling - everything branded; Gucci this, Channel that... Ask us what our pensions are, what our ISA balances are? Ely great video here on stressing this.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thanks man. Great points. I often think back to my childhood. I assumed we were poor because most of my friends had all the latest name brand this and that, while we didn't. It was only much later that I realised the reality - my parents were frugal and a bit overly austere, but they owned a home, had savings and available funds to support us in whatever we wanted to do. And they helped a huge amount of family back home too.
@MrJeffHead
@MrJeffHead 2 ай бұрын
​@@elywananda well done to your parents on that, its clearly helped you. What did they do for work?
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Wealth is income. Income generated from the assets
@nathanthompson8728
@nathanthompson8728 Ай бұрын
Interesting topic, I came from a mixed white/carribean household and both parents talked about investing in property as i grew up which I did but now watching this and looking at my black friends I can see what you’re saying
@angelareece1082
@angelareece1082 Ай бұрын
About time too. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 You are talking a lot of sense and I thank you for sharing your wisdom. 😊 (Although coupling for the sake of financial security made me frown 😮). FYI, I follow an amazing self built (white) couple on KZfaq called The Donnigans who will show you all the path to greater wealth no matter what your income and IMHO, more black people need to take notice. (I have observed, too often in the minority at their incredibly online meetings). As a black woman, I wonder why? My gift to you all is to ask you to look them up and find out more about FI (financial independence)
@dennisstampleycali
@dennisstampleycali 2 ай бұрын
Love your contents watching from America! Community is everything specially our Black community!
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Peace fam, glad you're enjoying 🙏🏿
@marclemessy2063
@marclemessy2063 15 күн бұрын
Good video man. Marriage and family is always the key
@ALADDIN22091978
@ALADDIN22091978 Ай бұрын
There are people of African descent and African Caribbean background who go to oxbridge and other top universities, having studied at great schools. They might have great jobs abd high flying careers and can buy properties etc , maybe not as many as white people , especially those from professional backgrounds . However, social mobility is very hard in the U.K, especially from multiple marginalised groups , it is possible but increasingly difficult for many people in the U.K. Hard work is not enough , sadly in general .
@akinsankofa
@akinsankofa 16 күн бұрын
The issues are complex. Great video btw, good information. Its to do with culture and the enactment of ideas around individualism. So space is not shared and finances not pooled
@snapshotsreviews4967
@snapshotsreviews4967 2 ай бұрын
This is good work my brother, we need to practice group economics. All other groups squad up and work together but too many of us are trying to get ahead through lone working, that approach is dead.
@jeongbun2386
@jeongbun2386 2 ай бұрын
The Pakistani (and I assume Bangladeshi and some Indian families) have a similar problem. Very rarely does the mother have a job. Im very lucky to be from a Pakistani British household where my mum is the main breadwinner.
@teamalpha7423
@teamalpha7423 2 ай бұрын
My family trust fund has well over 7 figures continuously, we just don’t shout and scream about it? Our own people are the first to turn on you as they are still in slave mode
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Good for you guys!
@carnumber4486
@carnumber4486 2 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Sounds like a humble brag. Assuming you’re telling the truth
@teamalpha7423
@teamalpha7423 Ай бұрын
@@miamitten1123 no not at all just for content as most people think black people are poor second class citizens when there’s some of us doing very well. The most hate comes from the black community or my own family, who are still stuck in slave mentality.
@MayorSom
@MayorSom Ай бұрын
Black lottery: Having two parents with professional jobs. I don't think people understand the importance of having a positive, safe and nurturing environment. Highly likely that the parents are erudite to navigate the challenge of life. Purely anecdotal, but the thing with 0.5 gen Black/Caribbean immigrants is that you have to do awfully lot of figuring things out and navigating through complex personal, professional and official gov system. The parents have good intentions but they are extremely oblivious to hidden curriculum and other dynamics within this new place placed home. Their mindset is unhealthy and survival mode: "I survived poverty, civil war and sacrificed everything. So you've no say in what you're gonna do. I will dictate every aspect of your being" Certainly that was the case for me growing up. The traumatic experience and the constant everyday struggle inevitably spilled over. Resulting internalised bitterness and resentful towards the kids. Vividly remember watching an ep of "World's Strictest Parents" one evening along with my mom and stepdad. The stuff the children were subjected wasn't that far off from my experience that week. All in all, Worst combination: Good intention Tiger mom (uneducated - so modus operandi is to be authoritative and insufferable parents) + religious nutcase (Muslims). I think that stunned my development because I was consumed with servility and walking eggs. Eventually, It became suffocating and just bounced. Just rambling to the point my comment divert from the topic. However, I will conclude by saying: I am fervently for Black Middle Class moving away from council estate and environment displaying those archetypical characteristics. Degeneracy ALWAYS wins, so it's best to live in a community with shared values. BTW I am also against these banality about "delayed gratification" and all the other right wing talking points. Generally speaking, there is not a huge contrast between the average Black working class and other working class experiences . There is a difference between personal and structural issues. If structural issues keep something out of reach you can have the willpower of a navy seal and it won’t matter. You'd be David Goggings for all I know!
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@MayorSom Oof, what a comment. Thank you!
@kabenawilloughby702
@kabenawilloughby702 2 ай бұрын
Love the final message and 100% agree with the points. Community us everything.
@rosahacketts1668
@rosahacketts1668 2 ай бұрын
Of course there is: Lawyers Doctors Teachers Medical consultants Property porfolio owners Dentist Business owners And the list goes on. Many blacks are too busy either going on holiday etc to look up and see there are many.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant idea. We have ISAs for our boys, but we haven't really talked to them about it. Will fix that!
@SK-kh2rs
@SK-kh2rs 2 ай бұрын
Dont matter. They will marry non black person and the wealth passed to their grandchildren who will be less than 50% ‘black’
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb
@AntioneAngele-cy8yb 2 ай бұрын
Yep im a captain and marine engineer plus have bisnes bild up. Lot of work but whant to show ather black people that its posibel and motivate that whe are capeble to do like evryone. Im life in the Nederlands same as the Brits. You get nothing for free. Buy housing and rent. Multiple income to start small and dont walk whit the crowt. Just youre own way and connect the right people whit you. And whe all make mistakes, learn and go on finding out what work the best for youre situation. Drive and create. Fall and stand up. Nothing comes easy. Bless all!
@user-dp8gz6sc1j
@user-dp8gz6sc1j 2 ай бұрын
Discussing the economic challenges within the Black community is complex and often frustrating. One significant issue is that wealth rarely remains within the community. As soon as money is earned, it often flows into other communities through marriage or luxury brand consumption in an effort to maintain social status. This cycle makes it difficult for the community to build and retain wealth. There is a perception that the Black community struggles with discipline and the will to succeed, often settling for complacency. These are significant hurdles in the competition for resources and economic stability. Addressing these issues requires a comprehensive and strategic approach to foster long-term growth and prosperity.
@mrneotech
@mrneotech 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful work and great motivation to do better. Bless you!
@selvamani1973-p7b
@selvamani1973-p7b 2 ай бұрын
in mayfair, there are super rich black folks but you only see that at special events. they have drivers, rolls royce and old money vibe
@colinw7479
@colinw7479 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for the peer-reviewed and reputable research. You have a new subscriber now! Lol
@mamadyconde2167
@mamadyconde2167 2 ай бұрын
This is a reason why i went to get married in Africa as a black middle class earner. Black women in the Uk dont Wanna get married, just have children out of wedlock and go on expensive holidays which is making our communities broke cos there is no financial discipline, once my wife come over i will invest in her to study hard so we can build an empire
@melisawhiskey8196
@melisawhiskey8196 2 ай бұрын
I hope this can go viral!
@user-wu5fr3io9s
@user-wu5fr3io9s Ай бұрын
Here is a Fact about the UK, It is a poor country with an EXTREMELY wealthy city (London). Since Brexit, the UK has now become a VERY poor country with a wealthy city. Let's not get emotional just financial data - UK is not on par with the U.S.
@josephg9249
@josephg9249 Ай бұрын
Meh it’s not a poor country, but we’re certainly behind the US
@davidsmith2909
@davidsmith2909 2 ай бұрын
Here’s a quick question for you, the stat chart you had at the start of your video broke down income based on ethnicity, but I noticed Bangladeshi, Indian & Pakistani aren’t ethnicities, so why are they not all grouped as Asian. With that being said it’s also prompted me to ask why Chinese isn’t grouped as Asian or Asian Other and why Black isn’t broken down to Black African Or Black Carriibean?
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Yeah those are all great points and questions that have been raised by a lot of people. I'll certainly be getting into them in future.
@bonisiweviolet3841
@bonisiweviolet3841 2 ай бұрын
There are several factors of course that contribute to these groups' low asset ownership, but I think that having weak social institutions like sound family structure (mum, dad and their kids) is a factor. What kind of role models do kids have in these communities? The attitude factor (entitlement, finger pointing, victim syndrome etc.). Having said this, some people from the same communities have exceeded in different sectors, so it's possible to change the situation. It doesn't hurt to look at how other groups have developed high levels of assets ownership. The them and us approach is not necessarily smart. My 2 Cents worth...
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Very valuable 2 cents! Thank you.
@MOCHI-ek6rc
@MOCHI-ek6rc 2 ай бұрын
Great video. We need more stuff like this.
@TheBrokenSilence
@TheBrokenSilence 2 ай бұрын
It’s difficult to teach adults to change their habits, you have excellent knowledge, we should be focusing on teaching teens/kids financial education I believe that’s where the real change can effect.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree. A branch is more flexible when it's young, and all that. But the best way to teach them is by example, so that the words are backed up with actions.
@TheBrokenSilence
@TheBrokenSilence 2 ай бұрын
@@elywananda You have an already existing platform, if you’re interested in starting an actual platform, I can render some time and efforts in trying to find funding
@randolphramsay3931
@randolphramsay3931 2 ай бұрын
I have just come across your videos today, very thought provoking, keep up the good work.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Thanks family
@gabzqwerty
@gabzqwerty Ай бұрын
Thanks for this video I like the analysis you done with all the data you have at hand. In a few years I’m planning on moving my parents in my household so they won’t struggle in retirement and rent out their property for extra income for the family
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@gabzqwerty That's brilliant to hear. That's how it should be, but we're very individualistic in our mindsets.
@dannyt853
@dannyt853 25 күн бұрын
Excellent video. Well researched. I agree that assets need to be built to acquire true wealth. Assets building requires financial education. Unfortunately many in our community do not have that education.
@Pythonrox
@Pythonrox 2 ай бұрын
An insightful video. Thanks for doing the research and sharing ❤
@remielijah
@remielijah 2 ай бұрын
Just found this Video, and your channel Mr Wananda. Thank you very much for talking about this topic and bringing up the figures. This is very insightful!
@sabrinamadison8769
@sabrinamadison8769 2 ай бұрын
excellent video, crazy how this topic is the same here in America. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing
@3000FAst
@3000FAst 2 ай бұрын
Great content and education. Thanks. ❤
@stumac869
@stumac869 2 ай бұрын
If you look at net wealth you'll generally find it comes down whether 'the group' is more prone to instant or deffered gratification. It's a mindset which translates into class.
@samyoe
@samyoe Ай бұрын
It's also becoming increasingly harder to elevate out of the lower middle class due to the housing crisis, high taxation on employees, and relatively low salaries compared to the US. The median salary in London is £45k, which isn't enough to buy a house so many will have to leave the metropoles if they want to own a home. But the majority of the high paying jobs are in the metropoles. I live in Croydon, and everyone is driving an Audi/Mercedes/BMW but according to the credit rating company, the area has a lower credit rating than the national average. People are effectively driving their luxury whip to their mum's house, and they feasibly can't afford their own homes unless through council housing or dubious shared ownership schemes. I think these issues exacerbate single parenthood as it makes more financial sense for single mums to claim benefits and get council housing rather than work for a minor change in lifestyle.
@searchingfortruth4783
@searchingfortruth4783 2 ай бұрын
Agree with all your points, but you have to appreciate these things take generations and don't come about overnight. Most working class White folks haven't acquired their wealth through anything nefarious, or by holding down other ethnic groups etc, they have simply acquired small amounts over generations, which is then past down to the family etc. Miners in the North and Wales, Farmers in the East and South, Steel industries in Sheffield etc. These all contributed to a growth in wealth, over centuries. Most white folks were in a pretty wretched state until the end of WW2, and lived in rented council style tenement blocks and poor quality terraced housing. There was little savings or wealth really for the working class. Combine this with the fact that many UK based black folks are recent arrivals to the UK, who often came with very little to their names, then it is clear that it will take quite some time before things change. But yes, you are right, there are still differences between different groups. Indians are known the world over for owning businesses and working very hard. This reflects in the figures and is not particularly controversial. Thanks for the video.
@elywananda
@elywananda 2 ай бұрын
Great points. And that's kind of what I'm trying to get across, for more people to think generationally. We can take steps now to establish a foothold for our future generations to build on. And part of that is to make sure that we inculcate that mindset into the children, so they don't waste what has been given to them. From an early age they must understand that they are part of a long game, they came from a long lineage and they will be ancestors to a long lineage.
@sophiajones4473
@sophiajones4473 2 ай бұрын
@@elywananda Excellent video. I would also like to add just from what I have observed over the years. Many people who came over here from the Caribbean during the Windrush years like my parents and their friends saved through Pardna/Partner and bought their first homes back in the late 1950s and 1960s. They were excluded from social housing so had no other choice. I think this was a blessing in disguise. Even though it was hard. As home owners most of them paid off their mortgages years ago. They were able to sell up and have helped their children purchase their own properties. In the case of my parents they built their retirement home in Jamaica. Many, sadly have died here and their now 40/50/60 plus children have inherited income from the sale of properties and have in many cases been able to buy off their own properties and are living mortgage free. I think where we are falling when it comes to inheriting our parents properties is TAX!!! The way forward is putting our properties in Trust for future generations. Something that other communities have been doing for a very very long time.
@TheIgboRenaissance
@TheIgboRenaissance 2 ай бұрын
Blavk wealth and Black middle class are two different things
@ericamcinnis6132
@ericamcinnis6132 Ай бұрын
You are putting the work of Dr Amos Wilson into practice. Well said and well done!
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Thank you family. That's exactly what I'm trying to do!
@user-vw6bk4pb4l
@user-vw6bk4pb4l Ай бұрын
Dr Amos Wilson is a legend
@miamitten1123
@miamitten1123 Ай бұрын
Living alone is we need that mental stability/health/peace. Drama in the world. We need that retreat. However, I get everyone’s point that two incomes helps build assets immensely.
@duvalhendrickson4103
@duvalhendrickson4103 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I like what you said about community wealth. I have an idea to set a trust fund for all the kids in my wider family, but formulating a plan as to how it would work
@gustavbrinkel5489
@gustavbrinkel5489 2 ай бұрын
Cool video Ely, you are spitting facts today
@Pathofplenty
@Pathofplenty 2 ай бұрын
We are basically selfish and can’t see beyond ourself and into the future.
@taty9872
@taty9872 2 ай бұрын
Glad to see you bad on yt missed your old channel and the wealth of intellectual information
@Lee-ic2yn
@Lee-ic2yn Ай бұрын
My uncle has 12 McDonald's franchise and owns 200 acres in Sussex But he's definately the odd one out of our family
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@Lee-ic2yn Wow, he'd be the odd one out in most families!
@Lee-ic2yn
@Lee-ic2yn Ай бұрын
​@@elywanandaI haha I guess so! He had some help along the way but it shows it's possible
@PreciousMetalinvest
@PreciousMetalinvest 2 ай бұрын
The Caribbean was paradise… no one wanted to stay here ! I remember visiting the Caribbean as a kid and doing tours of a lot of ex windrush generation who moved back home after earning thier wealth, (It’s a shame not all got to fulfill their dream 😢) I saw lots of brand new homes,land, cars and retirement stories, the success / happiness was real. 🥰Some took thier kids back with them & the kids had to adjust, and some left kids in the uk who didn’t want to go back We’re only 1 generation here in UK, & one that didn’t want to really stay here. Now we’re settled things will change very quickly just watch 😊
@want3622
@want3622 2 ай бұрын
Superb video, keep making videos that you enjoy making don’t stop.
@Explosivebeatz
@Explosivebeatz Ай бұрын
well said - I been saying this for years
@Fredrok
@Fredrok Ай бұрын
spot on. great analysis.
@homodeus8713
@homodeus8713 2 ай бұрын
Blacks are poor but Africans are not. Every other ethnicity is a nationality. You can’t just lump “black” people together - break it down into nationality.
@victoredwards3959
@victoredwards3959 2 ай бұрын
That statement makes no sense, the writer is referring to data’s that indicates the social status of black peoples in Uk, and there is no data that point to your assertion that black people in Uk are poor but Africans are rich. The reality and takeaway from this data is as a black race in Uk . Black peoples are still at the bottom of the ladder as far as wealth goes. It doesn’t mean that all black people are poor . Rather than saying that - your am ok jack-- mentality, listen and learn.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw 2 ай бұрын
Carribbeans are not successful as Africans who push themselves more , Carribbeans are too busy wanting to adapt to English way of life and want to be accepted yet they are at the bottom of the pyramid.
@David.dalmon7
@David.dalmon7 2 ай бұрын
Africans are poor
@b1ueocean
@b1ueocean 2 ай бұрын
once you break it down into ethnic groups, tribes and/or countries of origin things look irretrievably lost for some and distinctively encouraging for others… link-up mindset (“we’re all blacks together”) has skewed data across all key areas for decades including critical insights into family structure, propensity to marry, social stability/dysfunction ratios, educational attainment, personal and perceived values, income potential, left leaning politically vs right, police interaction, the whole roster of indicators… reality on the ground reflects reality indeed… similar people move within similar circles influencing similar people… mindset, culture, examples one can emulate, personal motivation, individual track record, philosophy of individual responsibility, rejecting victimhood - these concepts trump any sense of race in successful “black” circles… and if you study such “black” circles at any age group, you’ll find stronger correlations to explain your observations that go far beyond “black” 😂
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