Is there still a divide between EAST & WEST GERMANY?

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Feli from Germany

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Is there still a divide between East and West Germany today? What are the differences? In the fourth episode of my #askagerman mini-series, I try to give you guys an idea of what the situation is like over 30 years after the German reunification. Check out all previous videos here ▸ • #askagerman
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0:00 Intro
2:16 Blinkist
4:51 About the GDR (DDR)
7:24 Reunification
08:02 Are there still differences today?
8:33 Declining population
9:21 Economical divide
9:48 Politics
11:12 Societal differences (religion, working women)
11:39 Cultural differences
11:38 Conclusion
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@FelifromGermany
@FelifromGermany 2 жыл бұрын
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@josueveguilla9069
@josueveguilla9069 2 жыл бұрын
Gracias = Thank you = Merci = Arigato = Obrigado = Xie Xie = Danke
@josueveguilla9069
@josueveguilla9069 2 жыл бұрын
Is it true that Germany learned nothing from WWII? Is it true that Germany is going into another lockdown because some people are refusing to participate in this experiment? Just curious.
@muchacho56
@muchacho56 2 жыл бұрын
@@josueveguilla9069 ... not an experiment.
@josueveguilla9069
@josueveguilla9069 2 жыл бұрын
@@muchacho56 It is an experiment. Wake up.
@volldillo
@volldillo 2 жыл бұрын
What's your background music in this (and your other) vids? Thank you.
@ManyNamesInHistory
@ManyNamesInHistory 2 жыл бұрын
My entire family is from the East, and I was born right around the Wende, so I obviously have no memories of the GDR, but I did very much grow up in its shadow - something you only realize later when you leave your small bubble and notice how differently the people from the former West grew up. One of the weirdest things is the way in which you hear about the GDR from history books or documentaries, or even videos like yours - as in, you hear about the worst parts. The authoritarianism, the censorship, the travel bans, the state surveillance, the families torn apart. And then you listen to your relatives, and they too include all of that, but it's all filtered through the memories of them just living their normal lives there, and you can tell they often try to make sense of that dichotomy: the repressive state, and how much simpler their lives were. And how they were happy there. It gets very complicated. People aren't a monolith and there are lots of East Germans with very different opinions and experience of course, so this is just from what I've gathered from my relatives growing up here. Anyway, here's some of the things I noticed and/or just want to add: - Pretty much everyone I know has a very complex relationship to the GDR. In a part of the country that's nowadays known for its extremes, I oddly enough don't know anyone who has a black and white take on their past growing up in East Germany. The "it wasn't all bad" is an almost memeable cliché but in my experience it's very much true, no matter how strongly they voice their disdain for huge aspects of their very restrictive lives, chances are you will hear a "... but not everything was bad" sooner or later. My mom sometimes gets this pensive look after telling me about her frustrations with the country who denied her the education she wanted for whatever arbitrary reason, about how difficult it was for her to even so much as exchange letters with her best friend from school who went to the West with her family - and then tells me that despite everything, she had a good childhood. She was happy there. - To quote my mom: We had a lot of worries, but money wasn't one of them. - I'm often struck by the contradictory nature of the people, and the country itself. You hear talk about this lost sense of community, that everybody was in this together, that they were socialised to be part of a collective and look out for one another - and the same people tell you about how they had their suspisions about who might be an informant and kept their mouths shut in front of them. - Some, especially older generations, feel like nothing they worked for ever mattered and nobody takes them seriously. The poor, dumb East German who lived all their life in the bleak, grey squalor of the GDR and has never known the wonders of consumerism and, idk, Western music or something? These people weren't aliens from some distant planet, they were just regular people living their normal lives as best they could, worked just as hard and had vibrant inner lives, created art, had fun, partied etc. It's strange seeing some people even in this comment section talk about East Germans like they were all just joyless victims. It's all a bit patronizing. (This sounds like I'm taking this personally, but just as a sidenote: I don't have a lot of skin in that game, I'm finding myself more offended on behalf of my family, which is kinda silly cause I know they'd just laugh at the assumptions above and tell you that there's no party like a student party blasting the "illegal" mixtape that you taped yourself from the West radio stations you weren't supposed to listen to. :)) - You will find East Germans who see the Wende not as the reunification of Germany, but more of an annexation of the East. The BRD got bigger while the DDR just stopped existing. Lives for West Germans didn't significantly change, relatively speaking. Everything changed for East Germans, and a lot of people didn't know how to deal with that. Again, my mom speaks of that time quite candidly, how the euphoria made way quickly for this unshakable sense of unease. It was scary not knowing what was next when she grew up in a country that barely ever changed. - Some see themselves as "second class citizens", really lean into this victim complex - I won't deny that there's some justified resentment, but feed into that long enough and add to that a general distrust of authority, economic hardships, high unemployment, no prospects, disdain for immigrants and people who they deem "other", etc. and you have yourself a perfect breeding ground for far-right populist movements. And of course, these groups see that, sniff out the potential and take full advantage of it to gain a foothold in these "vulnerable areas". Seeing this happen to my home state has been upsetting, to say the least. Hence the very conflicted feelings I have about home. - Ok, so Plattenbauten may not be the prettiest housing, but at least these things had indoor toilets and central heating! My grandparents lived in a pre-war building with an outhouse and a coal oven and they would have killed for a modern WBS70 apartment. Their application got denied, though. Because of course you had to apply. - There's obviously more to Ostalgie, but I think a lot of it is just simple nostalgia. People are nostalgic for their youth, even if the country you spent it in was repressive. - Watching Western TV and listening to West radio was only technically illegal, but virtually everyone who could* did it. There was no way for the government to stop that. People could consume Western products, you just had a harder time getting your hands on them, especially if you didn't have relatives in the West who could send you packages. They weren't completely closed off from the West or ignorant to what was going on there. I get the impression it was and still is really the other way around: people from the West just don't know a lot about the East, other than what's right on the surface. (* If you lived in the Valley of the Clueless, a.k.a. Dresden, you couldn't.) - I remember very specific foods from my childhood, both the homecooked food and the generic kindergarten stuff, that I later learned is apparently one of these GDR remnants? The spirelli with that sickeningly sweet tomato sauce with fried Jagdwurst, anyone? Jägerschnitzel? Quarkkäulchen? Having Soljanka at least once a week, and so on. - I only recently learned that the Muttiheft (a little notebook first graders get, a way for teachers to write notes to the parents - in most cases moms, hence the name, "mom booklet") is another weird GDR remnant. If we did especially well in our classes we always got a little stamp of a bee in it. "Das gibt'n Bienchen in's Muttiheft" is a thing my mom says to this day, mostly ironically. - There's some small linguistic differences, for instance: remember overhead projectors? We call them Polylux, and the first time I used that word with a friend from Hessen they had no idea what I was talking about. - East Germans actually traveled quite a lot, within their confines of course. A lot of the people I know are passionate campers to this day - back then it gave you some sense of freedom, and I guess now it's another form of Ostalgia. We went camping quite a lot when I was a child and the destinations remained largely the same: all the former Eastern bloc states. My favorite was always Bulgaria. Took a while for my family to venture out into the newly opened West, I think our first trip there was Italy sometime in the mid to late 90s. - I was legit shocked to hear how many people have never known the Experience that is the Trabbi. They were still everywhere when I was a kid. My mom had hers until 1997 and there's nothing like the sound and smell and general lack of comfort of a Trabbi. It was literally just made of plastic. It was so ugly. I loved it. - That said, there were other cars around of course! The Wartburg was one, I do still remember the one my uncle drove. Cars from other Eastern bloc states as well. - You guys in the West are missing out on Vita Cola, honest to god the superior cola in every way. Glad it made a comeback after being driven off the shelves after reunification. - My hottest take: the East German national anthem was a banger and we should have kept it. This got a bit out of hand, sorry for that! Greetings from Leipzig, not my home by birth but my home by choice :)
@holmbjerg
@holmbjerg 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanation.
@barbarak2836
@barbarak2836 2 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting' thank you!
@calguy3838
@calguy3838 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of interesting insights. Thank you.
@matthiasholke6141
@matthiasholke6141 2 жыл бұрын
Gut gesagt 👏👏👏
@arnodobler1096
@arnodobler1096 2 жыл бұрын
i was 1982 in the GDR so true all
@jcreed09
@jcreed09 2 жыл бұрын
Acquainted with a guy who grew up in East Germany, he told me something that has stuck with me: "You didn't starve...but you never felt Full either." He meant Body and Soul.
@holger_p
@holger_p 2 жыл бұрын
The simpler word is: "Little boring .. by time". Life was pretty good .. but kind of everyday the same. What you experience in an old marriage also ;-) You feel like you want to break free, but actually it's not that bad anyway.
@billl1222
@billl1222 2 жыл бұрын
Spent 14 years of my 22 year military career in Germany. 1969-1991. Was there for the fall and reunification. Thanks for the update...
@roesi1985
@roesi1985 2 жыл бұрын
You handled this difficult topic very well, Feli. As someone from Thuringia and knowing that you are from Bavaria, I expected much more ignorance and prejudices, but you managed to present the topic in a very objective way and got most facts right. So a big thumbs up from me! It would have been great had you been able to talk to someone from the East and present their views. Maybe you could do it in another video, considering that a lot of your viewers seem to be interested in this topic. Sadly, there are still a lot of people - especially in the West - who choose to talk negatively about " those on the other side". They stay stuck in their prejudices without being open to travel to the other part of the country and see with their own eyes what the reality there looks like. As long as these people exist, the "Wall in the heads" won't come down entirely. But your way of handling the topic really gives me hope for the future. btw: The structural challenges of East Germany are not only the result of being part of a socialist country for 40 years, but also of being the part of Germany that has never really been industrialized. Most parts of East Germany have always been agrarian-oriented, and I'm not sure whether the situation would look much different had there been no separation. And another thought: While we agree on the fact that there are a lot of different regional cultures in Germany, people from the West of Germany often forget that the parts of the former GDR also consist of several regions. So there isn't really an "East German culture", because there's a huge difference between someone from Saxony and someone from Mecklenburg or Berlin. The cultural differences people perceive between themselves and people from the Neue Bundesländer therefore _might_ be the result of the separation, but it also might just be another regional difference which is common throughout Germany.
@Anon54387
@Anon54387 2 жыл бұрын
Being under socialism for decades certainly didn't help the eastern part of Germany. People moved away after the Berlin Wall fell precisely because of the effects of socialism and the ills of socialism still cast a shadow over the east part of Germany. The population there still hasn't rebounded from that.
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 2 жыл бұрын
@@Anon54387 Did you live there?
@rikardottosson1272
@rikardottosson1272 Жыл бұрын
I mean Zschopau and Sachsen in general was on the cutting edge of manufacturing and engineering - world leading - before WW2, and the wholesale dismantling and theft of machinery and factories that the Soviet Union perpetrated as part of the invasion definitely took a toll on industry in the east, although places like MZ managed to rebuild, survive and even thrive until they were ripped off by Suzuki(?)
@matsfrommusic
@matsfrommusic 9 ай бұрын
​@@Anon54387 You talk of socialism like it's entirely a bad thing when it's not, even objectively.
@Entername-md1ev
@Entername-md1ev 2 жыл бұрын
If being apart for 40 years created such a disparity in Germany I can’t imagine how much more difficult it would be if Korea ever reunited
@jimmym3352
@jimmym3352 2 жыл бұрын
At this rate, I wonder if that will ever happen. It will be a huge culture shock for both sides for sure. I honestly don't see it happening. More likely the South will fall to the North should the U.S. ever withdraw support from the South. Though I don't see that happening either for that reason. The U.S. will be forever obligated towards their defense.
@LS-Moto
@LS-Moto 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, it would be better if they don't unify and instead get help to build up their country.
@SnowmanTF2
@SnowmanTF2 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmym3352 SK is not falling to NK on their own any time on the horizon, and even China has issues with NK leadership. So if they did go to the hassle of taking it over, there seems plenty of reason they would install a more controllable government and keep them separate.
@dfirth224
@dfirth224 2 жыл бұрын
@@LS-Moto North Korea is being propped up by China. Without Chinese support N. Korea will collapse over night like the DDR did when Gorbachev refused to send in the tanks like Honiker wanted.
@LS-Moto
@LS-Moto 2 жыл бұрын
@@dfirth224 I mean after they collapse, they should be helped but not reunified. At least not in the moment they collapse
@starryk79
@starryk79 2 жыл бұрын
I was born in 1979 in Zschopau, Saxony and moved to Cologne in August 1990 because my father found a job offer in our local newspaper for the same job he worked in before in Cologne and he know that he would be unemployed soon. So i only experienced life in the GDR as a child. Feli did a good job with this video. It's a difficult topic but she explained the major points really well. What i want to add is that social security was really high in the GDR the medical system wasn't always using state of the art equipment but it was really good nontheless. All children were getting all necessary vaccinations per default. There were mandatory doctor visits for infants and toddlers. Feli already mentioned the childcare facilities that took care of children from a few months after birth til start of school which allowed the women to have a normal job and also made sure that everyone found a job after school. Yeah to get to the 'good' jobs or to go to university you had to be in line with the socialist and communist doctrine or at least you had to appear to be in line. In the 80s watching west german TV wasn't officially allowed but as everyone did it the government didn't really fight it anymore and english speaking music was also normal. I still remember discussing the latest TV episodes of Alf or 'The Fall Guy' (Ein Colt für alle Fälle) with my schoolmates, and these 2 TV series were shown on one of the west german public TV channels. Also LPs like Michael Jacksons Thriller were being produced by the east german record label Amiga and sold (in small number) in shops in the GDR. You had to be lucky to get one of these but you could legally do so. I still remember my parents telling me the stories when they went into the city and saw a line of people in front of a shop they just got in line because they knew something special was being sold there but they had no idea what it was. And once they waited in line for 2 hours they bought the stuff even if they wouldn't have done so had they known what it was from the start. So the GDR wasn't nearly as bad as North Korea just to make that absolutely clear. But as the money went mostly into the social net there were little to no investments into infrastructure or keeping the buildings in good shape. It all just looked grey and the streets were in really bad shape. The east german part of the Autobahn was mostly still in the state from the 1930s. This has greatly improved in these last 30 years and there is no clear difference between East and West there anymore. But the people who lived there had to go through radical changes and they often found that people from west germany were now their new bosses they had to work for. And to this day most Companies in east germany are owned and run but west germans. Also some people who had never experienced capitalism before were victims of some shady deals and offerings because they were a bit naive and believed the promises. All of this is still present in the minds of many east german people. But yeah you have to really talk to the people to find out about this as a visitor or a tourist.
@johnsheridan1256
@johnsheridan1256 2 жыл бұрын
The money (or products) went to the Russians, that's why no investments in infrastructure and companie's machines were made. The West had the Mashal Plan, the East had the Russians 😁
@roesi1985
@roesi1985 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsheridan1256 Not only that, after the war, most machineries and even railway tracks were transported to Russia, so the GDR had quite a difficult start economically speaking.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
Sehr gut geschrieben. 😊
@RockHudrock
@RockHudrock 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know then how much Americans wanted / hoped / prayed for the fall of the USSR so that the Berlin Wall could be torn down? We cared for all the Soviet block countries, but the most for E.Germany, then Poland, then the 3 Baltic states. So happy even 30 years later!! Proud of Thatcher, Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Lech Welessa!
@Anon54387
@Anon54387 2 жыл бұрын
The government took care of the child from three months on to indoctrinate them with socialism. Most of our values are in place before the age of 5 so the government wants the kiddos in a government run environment ASAP. The Dem Party's (in the USA) desire for universal pre-K is in that vein. Poland under the USSR did this as well. They not only grabbed the kids young but drew up work schedules so that siblings, parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents couldn't spend much time together. A family spending time together might decide to try to do something about the miserable conditions of socialism. Keep people separated and there is little chance of families banding together with other families to throw off the yoke of socialism.
@CurtisCT
@CurtisCT 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had a co-worker from East Germany, who surprised me one day by saying how much she missed living in the GDR. It was very difficult for me to understand how anyone living in a wealthy, industrialized democracy like Austria could ever make such a claim. According to her, life was simpler back then. You lived a modest lifestyle, you got "exotic" fruits like bananas and pineapples from Cuba, and every year her family went on vacation to places in Yugoslavia or Bulgaria. According to her, EVERYONE had a job and you didn't have to worry about things like utility bills. As a matter of fact, it was illegal to be unemployed. Now she lives in a "free" capitalist society, where she was unemployed for the first time in her life, and although she earns a good salary, most of it goes to pay bills, so there's no money for vacations or "exotic" fruits. The paradox: when she was "unfree", she was able to go on vacation, now she's "free" but too broke to go anywhere. I also discovered that one of my friends is from the former GDR. It's not something he talks about often, but he did mention the day he ran away from East Germany, running for his life while being chased by the border police. He scaled over a huge barbed-wire fence while under gunfire and didn't stop running until he made it into West Germany. I was speechless, to say the least!
@johncarver767
@johncarver767 Жыл бұрын
She's brainwashed
@ChristopherX30
@ChristopherX30 Жыл бұрын
​@@johncarver767 It's like a person being kidnapped, then becoming comfortable, even preferential, with the conditions around their abduction.
@rodgerjohnson3375
@rodgerjohnson3375 11 ай бұрын
Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response to being held captive. People with Stockholm syndrome form a psychological connection with their captors and begin sympathizing with them.
@georgenelson7891
@georgenelson7891 10 ай бұрын
Because the life happiness is not about luxury / materialist crap
@Ace-mw9pm
@Ace-mw9pm 9 ай бұрын
Well when she lived in the GDR I’m pretty sure she was a kid and didn’t have to worry about the grown up stuff. Now she’s an adult and all that stuff is on her. And if she had a husband she could probably go on vacation because they’re sharing the work load.
@KismetSarken
@KismetSarken 2 жыл бұрын
I spent 4 years in Frankfurt when my dad was stationed there. Germany felt the most like home to me and is still the home of my heart. For my father it was his 2nd tour in Germany. His first happened when the physical wall was being built. When the wall came down! We were watching it on TV, and we all were in tears. My father loved Germany so much and wanted to jump on a plane to be there. When my daughter was in high school (she was born in 89, just before the wall fell) she was involved in an exchange program with a school from Leipzig. They stayed with us for 2 weeks and our kids did the same with them. It was wonderful meeting the kids; for me it was a view into a part of the country I couldn't see. Danke schonn for you videos Feli.
@NDSVM
@NDSVM 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a video about this topic. As a tourist you have to see both sides, Leipzig, Dresden and Potsdam are very cool cities, in general the East is very underrated, there is so much beautiful nature too.
@johnalden5821
@johnalden5821 2 жыл бұрын
Two years ago, I went to Leipzig as part of a longer trip to Berlin and then to Austria. I did really like Leipzig, as it seemed like a nice mix of German tradition and contemporary convenience. It would be interesting, though, to see what life is like in surrounding small towns and rural areas of Sachsen.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnalden5821 hey there, glad you liked my home town. Spread the word! 😊
@johnalden5821
@johnalden5821 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaausleipzig Will do -- gladly. I could definitely picture myself living there. It seemed like an interesting city with a lot to do, but not overwhelmingly large. We went to a concert in the Thomaskirche, and I was pleased to think I was hearing Bach in the church where Bach had worked.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnalden5821 I grew up literally 5 minutes from that church. And as a boy I was considered for the famous Thomanerchor (the choir you most likely heard there) but eventually didn't join cause it would have meant to move away from home to their boarding school. Speaking about life's regrets...
@johnalden5821
@johnalden5821 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaausleipzig Think of it this way: You still have the voice (which you always had) but you didn't have to go through the boarding school experience. Maybe you came out ahead?
@bentels5340
@bentels5340 2 жыл бұрын
"It’s been over 30 years since the fall of the Berlin wall..." And I remember it like it was yesterday. The opening of the route through Hungary, the people at the border, the border guard lieutenant who opened the gate under his own authority, the people on both sides hacking at the wall -- with home tools, then power tools, then heavy machinery from the Western side pulling whole sections down... Almost makes me cry to think about it...
@dkSilo
@dkSilo 2 жыл бұрын
I was too young (~8 years old) to realize at the time what was going on. I sometimes do cry when I see movies or documentaries about that time. Mostly relief, that I was spared the opression, but also a bit of Ostalgie.
@baron7755
@baron7755 2 жыл бұрын
if you remember it like it was yesterday...You Old!
@timmmahhhh
@timmmahhhh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 54 and I remember that too. I was a college student and visited Germany April 1989 with my architecture college 6 months before the wall came down and nobody had a clue it was going to happen.
@tortiboy142
@tortiboy142 2 жыл бұрын
@@timmmahhhh probably one of the most unexpected plot twists in History
@richardowen1130
@richardowen1130 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Ben, I remember listening on my little radio at night to BBC World Service at night when they said people had cut the barbed wire between Hungary and Austria and were going through. It could have gone the other way though when they decided to not suppress the huge protests in Leipzig. It could easily have ended up like Tianenmen Square.
@earlguillory5168
@earlguillory5168 2 жыл бұрын
I was another U.S. soldier stationed in Fulda (11th Armored Cavalry Regiment) (So1989-1992 and I remember when the wall came down. I saw a bunch of wide-eyed East Germans that came to Fulda to look around in amazement. I didn't understand, then I drove over to Eisenach and saw how different the two countries were! So many Germans wanted their country to be one again. As an outsider, it was incredible to watch!
@F3Y3F3
@F3Y3F3 11 ай бұрын
I was stationed in Mannheim at the time - I remember seeing Trabants started showing up on the roads... and in dumpsters. I also remember on two separate occasions seeing a couple of tiny, dim red lights in front of me on the Autobahn at night and realizing almost too late that it was a Trabant trying to pass a truck.
@AndreaJSeverson
@AndreaJSeverson 2 жыл бұрын
I'm the daughter of a US Army officer and we were stationed in Aschaffenburg at the time when the wall came down. I was only 8 but I remember watching the news reports live. It was a fascinating time to be in Germany. We visited Berlin as a family two weeks after the official unification the following year. The atmosphere was incredible. My dad had been to West Berlin before, but we'd never gone as a family because security between checkpoints was so intense, so it was amazing that all this happened while we were still living there. I really want to visit Berlin again to see how it's changed, back in 1990, there was a very stark difference between East and West Berlin. This was a fasinatng video to watch, thank you!
@roesi1985
@roesi1985 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the atmosphere was really special during this time. I was only 5, but I remember it to this day.
@TheSwedishRider
@TheSwedishRider 2 жыл бұрын
A lot has changed! I'm from west Germany and was in the east one year after reunification. It looked like war zone because houses barely were renovated after the war. Instead, the GDR focused on building new houses called "Plattenbau", a special type of modular building with prefabricated concrete slabs as facades. In English, they are also referred as "commieblocks". There is still a difference in preferred types of houses. Most westerners prefer the so called "Altbau", houses built before 20th century, easterners still prefer the "Neubau", houses built after the war. The old houses look nicer and have higher ceilings. However, while they were renovated and updated after war in the west, they basically stayed the same in the east. The major downsides of old houses in the east were: Old windows with poor insulation, coal ovens instead of central heating, often no toilet in your flat but a shared one between floors. Because of that, most easterners desired to move to new buildings, even within ~20 years after the reunification. Especially in Berlin, these old houses in the east were basically empty and rent was extremely cheap because of their poor condition. Students from the west moved in because of the cheap rent. In the past decades, these houses were renovated and gentrification took off. However, the preference for new buildings seem to have passed over to the next generation of many easterners. Nowadays, you will hardly spot the difference if you don't look for the small things that were made differently after the war, e.g. the type of new buildings, patterns on pavements or street lights. A very special difference is the beloved "Ampelmann", the figure on traffic lights for pedestrians which looks much cuter in the east. But don't get tricked by that, it became so popular that it was installed in some western areas and cities as well. There are even souvenirs with the Ampelmann and in the early 2000nds, a female version, the Ampelfrau was introduced and installed in some areas in the east and west.
@DENVEROUTDOORMAN
@DENVEROUTDOORMAN 2 жыл бұрын
I was Air Force stationed in Wiesbaden and then Sembach near Kaisersluten in 1975 to 77 and never thought the wall would come down at that point!!! We did have the Red Brigade blowing up the motor pool on Lindsey Air Station and they later kidnapped a German Industrialist and they blew up the Liquor Class 6 store!!! Damn I miss Germany
@jayb8369
@jayb8369 2 жыл бұрын
@@DENVEROUTDOORMAN , I was at a MUNSS site in Memmingen from 1991-1994. Our HQ was Lindsey before it was transferred to Sembach. Our squadron worked together directly with the Bundeswehr. Great times for sure. I loved being in Bavaria with a lot less Americans than Ramstein in Kaiserslautern. It was a lot more intimate with the locals and helped to forge bonds for life.
@linajurgensen4698
@linajurgensen4698 2 жыл бұрын
Would not recommend to visit Berlin now, it has become an Antifa shithole with lots of graffiti and hipsters.
@chrissoclone
@chrissoclone 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, little nitpick - the Trabant was the standard, but not the only GDR car, e.g. Wartburg was another quite common one.
@SarimDeLaurec
@SarimDeLaurec 2 жыл бұрын
My thought as well.
@moronoxyd
@moronoxyd 2 жыл бұрын
True. And you would also see Russian, Polish and Czech cars on the streets.
@claudiaernst6225
@claudiaernst6225 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but you had to wait some years longer.😁
@marcwallace
@marcwallace 2 жыл бұрын
They had Lada cars, but not a lotta cars.
@Dschickler
@Dschickler 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcwallace Yes you could sign up for a Lada, an even longer wait time.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
Servus and Hello! East german dude here - as my name easily gives away to any speaker of german... 😅 And I apologize in advance, this is probably gonna be a long one, which - among other things - may disprove your theory of easterners' bad english skills. Though - granted - I don't count myself as part of the older generation ... just yet. 😅 But I was born in 1986 so whenever that Bruce Springsteen song comes own I proudly shout "born in the DDR"! 😂 First let me quickly adress two misconceptions you unfortunately repeated in your video: East Germany was technically not a one party system. There were several other parties but politics were of course under full control of the SED. The other parties served as an all too transparent veil, mimicing some form of political opposition which in reality did not exist. Second there were other cars than the infamous Trabi. Wartburgs were produced in Eisenach, near the famous castle of the same name and imports from eastern europe included Ladas from Russia and Škodas from Czechoslowakia, which are now part of Volkswagen group and very successful throughout europe. And with some good connections and a lot of money you could even get your hands on west german cars. And actually I don't blame you for not knowing this. But it depicts very nicely how little people in the west actually know about the east, beside some standard textbook facts. As for "eastalgia". I don't think people really miss the dictatorship here. They miss the life they had inside it. More than today there was the feeling that, except for a few people at the top, we were all sort of in this together. We dealt with the same hardships, the same injustices, the same random hypocricies of a dictatorial regime. When protesters shoutet "we are the people" at the rallies which eventually brought down the wall - a slogan which has since been stolen and is being abused by the far right - they meant it. We - all of us - are the people. If you look at how divided society is today it's easy to understand how one can miss that feeling of ... well ... being in it together. One should also keep in mind that the process of reunification was very fast, less than a year, and very painful for many easterners. Westeners like to complain about the "Soli", which btw easteners paid too. But that's nothing compared to what we faced. You meintioned it in your video. You can ask people from the east for their job and when they tell you what they did before and after reunification those two will more often than not be two comoletely different things. And many will tell you about the struggle of finding anything at all after being laid off. Also keep in mind that unemployment didn't exist in the east. This was an entirely new concept for the people affected by it. So the general reunification euphoria wore off pretty quickly and gave way to a harsh reality which gave you political freedom but at the same time presented you with economic insecurities you have never known before. What good is the opportunity to travel the world if you can never afford it? All this laid the seed for eastalgia. Cause life back than may not have been better. But it sure as hell was easier, simpler. Less things to worry about cause you couldn't do anything about them anyway. I spent three years studying in Würzburg, which is in Bavaria aka "the west". I soon accepted that I was "der Ossi" the "easterner" to most people there. Jokes of how we all must have been living under a rock for 40 years were as abundant as they were annoying. This has been discribed as the "wall in the heads" which proved and still sometimes proves much harder to tear down than the one made of concrete and barbed wire. An example: I work in a hotel on the east german baltic sea coast today. Westerners who for some reason (valid or not) complain to me at the reception sometimes jump very quickly to stuff like "the east sucks" or this or that didn't go down the way it should have cause we are stupid easterners who have no idea what we're doing. I'm being insulted for my origin at the very place of my origin. Funny enough those people are the same who are very quick to call easterners racists whenever the far right does well at some election. Oh the irony... I'm rambling ... sorry... Moving on: Much has been achieved in 30 years. Much more is still to do. After the complete collaps of the east german economy during reunification many people moved away. This brain drain is a huge problem and imo at least part of the reason for the far right's success and low vaccinations alike. Politics call for "more easterners in positions of leadership" basicly all the time. A nice sentiment. But it's not really the queation who is in a position of leadership, it's much more important where this position of leaderhsip is. Take my home town of Leipzig which managed to attract two iconic german car makers Porsche and BMW who both opened plants there. Porsche now builds much more cars in Leipzig than they do at their home plant in Stuttgart. The HQ remains there. BMW now makes just as many cars in Leipzig as they make in Munich. The HQ remains there. The money is in the west. The decisions are being made in the west. Those miracled positions of leadership are in the west. And this is not gonna change. Why would any large company move their HQ to east Germany? Of course they remain where they were once founded. The big companies once founded in the east, both before and after seperation, are dead, gone and long forgotten. Germany is famous for industry and machinery. But there won't be a new Siemens, Bosch, Volkswagen or Bayer in the east. They may all have plants here. Their homes will always be somewhere else. Well ... as predicted this got really long! Kudos to anyone who made it all the way! 😅 Greetings from east Germany. And never forget: the sun rises in the east! 😉
@ralphmans
@ralphmans 2 жыл бұрын
Grüß Gott Michael, this was a great read. Having been in the GDR a few times in my lifetime, one thing I remember is the “Intershop” where, unfortunately people of the GDR could not readily buy these”exotic” items. Glück Auf, stay safe.
@mike03a3
@mike03a3 2 жыл бұрын
I went to Berlin in 2019 to continue my German language studies. I got my student accommodations through the Goethe Institut and was assigned to a house in what had been East Berlin. Es war sehr interessant! My landlady was a retired widow who spoke Russian as her second language, which was great for me since that forced me to speak only German all the time. I spent a lot of time in the garden chatting with her and her adult daughter about the differences and life in the GDR. The daughter felt in many ways that she grew up in a museum that has no name and no address. When the unification happened great swathes of what had been her culture disappeared literally overnight, replaced by Western culture. When she went to the university in the West she found that most of her fellow German students were more like the European, British or North American student. They had so many common cultural icons from TV movies and music, while her childhood was centered on cultural icons that ceased to exist.
@LeviRamsey
@LeviRamsey Жыл бұрын
My wife learned German as an exchange student in the late 90s in Sachsen-Anhalt (i.e. an area that a decade before was DDR). When she meets Germans, they're always surprised to hear an American speaking with an Ossi accent. We were watching Deutschland 83 not too long ago and with nearly every bit of advice given to the East German agent before going undercover in the West about "say this, not that", she'd say "I say that, not this!"
@FalcoPolaris
@FalcoPolaris 2 жыл бұрын
I was 11 years old in November of 1989 when The Wall came down. I remember watching the news about it on ABC News with Peter Jennings and I remember crying about it, considering my German ancestry. It was history happening and I think even at 11 years old, I was old enough to appreciate the significance of it. It amazes me to this day that I grew up with two Germanys and a united Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia on the map as well as a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
@markusbuchenau2969
@markusbuchenau2969 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in West Germany and had no connections to the East. In 1985 I spent a few days in Berlin as part of my training, and on that occasion we also went to East Berlin for a day. Without exaggeration, it was like visiting another planet. I couldn't have felt any stranger in Tibet or Tahiti. I hadn't felt very comfortable in West Berlin before. The sheer size of the city was intimidating to me. But when we got back to our hotel that evening, it was actually like a return to my world.
@cuongpham6218
@cuongpham6218 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Vietnamese living in Germany, and I had the reverse feeling of yours regarding visiting (formerly) East and West Germany. I first landed in Hanover, a West city, and lived there for a year. The city was nice, but I never felt home there. I don't know why but the atmosphere, the people, and the architecture just all feel strange and foreign. You might think it is obvious, because I come from an Asian country, so obviously it must have felt foreign. But once I moved to Leipzig, everything seems so strangely familiar. Maybe because Vietnam is a socialist country that traditionally inclined to the Soviet Union, the mindset of the people, the social structure, even the feel of the city made me feel so at home. Granted all of this happened after reunification, so the life in East Germany had been improved greatly, as it would have been much different if I had been a Vietnamese guest worker in the GDR like many of the older Vietnamese here. They had seen a lot and also had to endure the hardship during the earlier years post-unification just like the East Germans of the time did.
@cleightorres3841
@cleightorres3841 11 ай бұрын
dont you besserwessis call the easterners scheissossis? different planet?really? as an American im just shaking my head as i read your nonsense
@jcrotea
@jcrotea 2 жыл бұрын
Exceptionally well done, Feli! Great job explaining an incredibly complicated history without prejudice or judgment.
@dianefalk4132
@dianefalk4132 2 жыл бұрын
I am always so amazed how well you can go back and forth fluently between languages, you are such a smart intelligent beautiful person 👍 Thank you for all the information ❤️
@dontcareimacat7821
@dontcareimacat7821 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that changed with reunification and the fall of the Soviet Union was that Germany was no longer ground zero in the Cold War.The US steadily reduced their military footprint in Germany. Military exercises (REFORGER) were scaled back. As a German, you were less likely to get stuck behind a tank convoy coming home from work. Farmers no longer had to fill out claims when their fields were damaged during these exercises.I was way to young to remember but my German/Estonian parents lived in Germany during this time.
@dfirth224
@dfirth224 2 жыл бұрын
I used to know an American GI (now dead) who was in the Army in the 1960s. Every year they had an exercise with the tanks moving around narrow German streets. Every year his tank knocked a hole in the brick wall of a small shop. Every year the shop owner would have the tank commander sign a form so the German government would reimburse him for the damage.
@Steve14ps
@Steve14ps 2 жыл бұрын
Farmers used to leave their gates open hoping a tank would pay a visit!
@magspies
@magspies Жыл бұрын
@@Steve14ps no, the gates were left open so the tanks won't rip them down.
@gullrockgeorge9057
@gullrockgeorge9057 2 жыл бұрын
On my only trip to Berlin, I took a train from Frankfurt to get there. The train's speed was quite fast at the start of the trip. Once we got much past the old East German border the train slowed to more usual speeds. When I asked my German travel companions why we were slowing down, their explanation was that we were now using old tracks built during "East German" times and the tracks were not up to "West German" standards and hence not able to handle the higher speeds. That was my first experience of the differences. That was about 15 years ago so probably no longer an issue.
@haisheauspforte1632
@haisheauspforte1632 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they upgraded the tracks and even built a completely new high speed train line between Leipzig and Nuremberg (also used by trains to Frankfurt between Leipzig and Erfurt). It is really good, it just takes 4 hours from Berlin to Munich compared to over 6 before the new line was opened
@dnocturn84
@dnocturn84 2 жыл бұрын
@@haisheauspforte1632 This is true for some main / important routes. Most tracks around my home town are still the old ones. When you look at the total track lenght, you can see, that the majority of the rail tracks in east Germany are still GDR tracks.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
We have a weird mix of tracks in different states of repair and modernization on both sides of the former border. Especially when it comes to long distance express trains there's not that much of an east-west difference though. It was more of a problem in the 1990 right after the reunion indeed, as many tracks were less well maintained indeed. Also East Germany had been a smaller country both in area and in population, and international travel was mostly just happening east bound to Poland and Czechoslovakia. So there was less pressure to lower travel times. E.g. East German "Reichsbahn" used coal/steam engines for much longer than West German "Bundesbahn", and so had a lower share of electrified tracks. Then a lot of money actually went into infrastructure projects in the east, and at least "lighthouse" autobahn and rail routes got special attention. So for example the Hannover-Berlin ICE track was -- as far as I remember -- the third relation to allow for average speeds of 240km/h and more after the western Karlsruhe-Mannheim and Hannover-Kassel-Würzburg relations. A general problem on both sides when it came to railways: neither side really invested enough to really compensate for war time damages, and to modernize the whole network to post war standards. E.g. even in the west until recently some switching stations still used mechanically operated levers to operate track switches and signals. There's even a word for it that describes the situation on both sides, though to different extents: "Kaputtgespart"
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
But then again I took a train trip from Orlando/Florida to New York City in the early 2000th ... and compared to what I've seen (and felt) on that trip even 1989 east german tracks were of higher standard ;)
@gullrockgeorge9057
@gullrockgeorge9057 2 жыл бұрын
@@hartmutholzgraefe Agreed . . . train travel in the U.S. is less than "inspired".
@chrismaverick9828
@chrismaverick9828 2 жыл бұрын
God, 30 years... I was an American kid who loved Knight Rider and saw the videos of The Hoff singing at the wall. I was nine, and too young to really appreciate the full scale of what had happened. Freedom might be repressed, but can never be purged from the human heart entirely.
@DavidOatney
@DavidOatney 2 жыл бұрын
Feli handled a very difficult topic with a lot of grace. Certainly that comes from growing up in Germany and seeing some of the differences first hand, I'm sure... But she also did an amazingly good job for somebody that does not have a living memory of the iron curtain, the Cold War, or a divided Germany. I grew up in the tail end of the Cold War, but I'm still old enough to remember when the existence of two Germanies, closed borders between East and West, and an Iron Curtain that divided the continent of Europe and pretty much the whole Communist bloc from the Western world was a fact of life. Even though relations got better between the US and the Western allies and the Soviet bloc as time went on, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the iron curtain and the divide between East and west, both in Germany and in the larger world, happened so quickly that many of us couldn't believe it... It was a fundamental change in the world that we knew, and a lot of people didn't know it was coming. Because of that, I can easily understand why there's still such a divide between East and West Germany, the unification happened so quickly that there would have been so little time to prepare for it.
@Nova-ru5kr
@Nova-ru5kr 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if part of the reason Germany was allowed to reunify was about expanding centralized government control--you can't have a European Union where one state gets to control a lot of countries if there's division like an iron curtain running through them. A central control of several countries is waay better than simply controlling part of one country, right? Mm-hm...are any EU countries sovereign or do they have to kiss the ring of Brussels in many major matters? Enlighten me on this.
@michae8jackson378
@michae8jackson378 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget going to East Berlin in 1981. What an eye opening thing that was for me as a 21 year old college student with long hair. I was SO watched by "people" while I was there. I was also there during the fall of the wall, the reunification, etc. So many things I could share about those times. Feli as you mentioned, so much, that there's no way one video can cover ALL of it.
@dvv18
@dvv18 2 жыл бұрын
Germans still *stare* at you no matter where in the country you are. Well, OK, I've only been to Frankfurt (the big one) and Munich, but still…
@michae8jackson378
@michae8jackson378 2 жыл бұрын
@@dvv18 I thought it was more like the Stasi....when I tried to change cash it was quite the ordeal. They wanted to have my passport. I had been warned not too slow anyone to possess it. People disappeared for days sometimes. I was terrified while there. There was no smiles, no colors. Just Grey and brown. Only color and smiled were westerners that were buying cheap comforters with money they had exchanged in the West. Which was illegal but 10-1 exchange rate. Legal way was there in the East but 1-1 rate. That's what I did. Didn't want to get caught with illegal money. So intimidating. Soldiers everywhere with weapons....21 and dealing with that... I'm good in most situations but that was crazy
@dvv18
@dvv18 2 жыл бұрын
@@michae8jackson378 Interesting, interesting... I was born and raised in the USSR (gawd, those eastern Germans really did a number on a young Soviet kid with their Friedrichstadt-Palast shows and FKK), and the first time a solder pointed a gun at me was ... in Vienna (Wien) in the very early 1990s - during my first trip outside (what was still) the USSR.
@richardtodd6843
@richardtodd6843 2 жыл бұрын
156 years after the U.S. Civil War ended, we still have some of the same issues between the old confederacy and the rest of the U.S., though they're not as extreme as when I was a kid. Of course, our SE states have never been a hotbed of socialism or atheism. I suspect there would still be some regional differences even if the country has never been split, with the west having greater access to the outside world, and much of the east having been part of the large state of Prussia. It was funny hearing "GDR", because even as an American I was used to seeing"DDR", though verbally it was mostly just called East Germany.
@3.k
@3.k 2 жыл бұрын
When there were sports events on TV, like ski jumping, or swimming or whatever, it was always labelled “GDR.”
@jimmym3352
@jimmym3352 2 жыл бұрын
@@3.k I just remember they seemed to do pretty good in the Olympics for a relatively small country.
@AztlanViva
@AztlanViva 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmym3352 Yep, I remember the East German womans' swim team in the '80's Olympics. Lots of attention and comments about those broad shoulders and narrow hips. Viewed from behind they were indistinguishable from a well built male physique. The testosterone injections did the job.
@jimgorycki4013
@jimgorycki4013 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmym3352 I remember watching ice skater Katarina Witt. Won 2 olympic medals for GDR. Many others for world and European championship. Her last Olympian was 1994 representing unified Germany.
@bradhartliep879
@bradhartliep879 2 жыл бұрын
You haven't seen the news lately .. the #Racist, #WhiteSupremacist, Pro-#KKK, Pro-Neo-#Nazi, Black-Hating, Mexican-Hating, Anti-#CivilRights, #Southern #Conservative #Democrats - who now call themselves #MAGA #Trumpetheads - are up in arms and trying to overthrow the US Constition so that they can replace it with #DraftDodger, #RINO #RussianPuppet and wannabe #Dictator Donald Trump, a piece of shit who hates America, hates our Constitutional Limitations on the "powers of the president", and hates our Constitutional Representative #Republic ..
@jamiezie97
@jamiezie97 2 жыл бұрын
This video was so interesting for me, thank you! My dad grew up in East Berlin, but I've always lived in Sweden. There were so many stories that fascinated me as a kid, and I've always felt such a strong connection with Germany and with the German part of me - but in the last 14 years or so we haven't really been in contact more than (over the phone) maybe five times. But I really miss that part of my life and having access to that part of my family history. Your video brought back a lot of fond memories, and it gave me back some more of my sense of connection to all that. Thank you again :)
@glenn2878
@glenn2878 2 жыл бұрын
Feli, this was such an interesting and fascinating video about a topic that I knew nothing about. Thank you and well done. Glenn from Sarasota, Florida, United States 🇺🇸
@eTraxx
@eTraxx 2 жыл бұрын
While stationed in Germany with the US Army, I spent Christmas with a German family in what had been East Germany. This was in 1993 so I don't remember where. I do remember riding around in a Trabant and getting fussed at for shutting the door too hard!
@asahbgsd3952
@asahbgsd3952 2 жыл бұрын
I am 20 years old and from the East. My parents never spent any holidays in the western states when I was a child, since they didn’t feel comfortable there. In school I learned that we are one country and are supposed to try and put the past behind us, since we are all the same. I always believed that my parents were simply hung up on the “good old days” and unreasonably prejudiced against people from the old states. Now I am attending a university near Stuttgart in the West, and I now realize that I was naïve. This might still be the same country, but it definitely doesn’t feel like it.
@Harzhopper
@Harzhopper 10 ай бұрын
your parents didnt spend holiday in the west becaus they where not allowed to leve the country.
@asahbgsd3952
@asahbgsd3952 10 ай бұрын
@@Harzhopper I am talking about the time of my childhood. So the last 20 years. Which obviously means after 1990.
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 10 ай бұрын
And now imagine you are a Czech and Germans still see just cheap work power in you, you are not a human, you are a machine for them, we work for German companies, doing high skilled jobs like CNC milling and programming and they pay 1/3 or German salary to us and still cry how everything is expensive and those bad Czechs want more money than they can give to us. OMG what the hell is that? It's literally a golden mine for them. I can't even imagine how it is like for Poles or people from poor countries like Ukraine or Moldova, they work almost like slaves even here for us, so when we see them as cheap workers, how Germans see them? Another annoying thing is that we are still divided in online world, streaming services are terribly regioblocked here in former eastern block countries, you pay the same or even more, but you have half of the content or even less, this should stop, we are the same people as people in the west, when I pay 12 eur for Netflix, I want the same content as they have in USA, France or Germany, not our regioblocked version, this is really terrible. 20+ years ago, you were able at least to go behind border and buy something there, now with all those streaming services and always online protections and regioblockations, you are screwed or you can try some fancy paid VPN which is just another shit you have to pay. This is terrible discrimination of people from former eastern block. But they will see, we are slowly returning to where we were before WWII, I see a massive change with new generation of owners and bosses who are not damaged by growing up during communism, after another 20 or 30 years, it can be vice versa. We should definitely do something against those western "expats" who earn western money, but live here to have everything cheaper, these people are plague, some parts of Prague occupied by them are not affordable for local people anymore, overtourism (drunken Germans and Dans) and these expat occupants are plague. Be glad that you are united with rest of Germany and you are considered a "west" and you don't have to go thru this shit too.
@kemaldjakman183
@kemaldjakman183 2 жыл бұрын
Feli, I am amazed at the incredible information quality of this video! Much respect for you
@kasiaisfine
@kasiaisfine 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Polish and to be honest this kind of nostalgia of old "good" times is also present here among many people of the older generations, that tend to see the communist era through the lens of their young years forgetting the harsh living conditions and day to day struggles such as lack of basic products in the shops, overwhelming corruption, censorship and so on.
@jlpack62
@jlpack62 2 жыл бұрын
Within the context of the nostalgia, I can't help but wonder what role the church plays in Poland today relative to the genearly non-religious former DDR? Does this change the narrative and the understanding of the past as time passes?
@gogaonzhezhora8640
@gogaonzhezhora8640 2 жыл бұрын
They are just smarter than you. Better educated and have more life experience. You views on the socialist past are just laughable and ignorant.
@theobuniel9643
@theobuniel9643 Жыл бұрын
@@jlpack62 The Catholic Church has a super strong presence in Poland.
@JordanG-ds1ii
@JordanG-ds1ii 10 ай бұрын
This is so strange to hear people talking about corruption in what the american world calls totalitarian states (left or right). As someone who lived in the u.s., the corruption here is beyond words. And for that claim to be backed up by all kinds of folks from all over the world (Africa, China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Mexico, etc.) How can anyone deny it? I know that corruption in general just comes with the territory for everyone; but a country that was founded on treachery. Right from its very core, can point fingers?
@lordfedjoe
@lordfedjoe 10 ай бұрын
Did they tell you those suffering, or is it what media told you?
@roxpr2000
@roxpr2000 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this, Feli. I remember the fall of the Berlin Wall well although I was only about 12 years old. The world pretty much stopped in its tracks to watch those unforgettable scenes of people climbing and taking apart parts of the wall.
@NaDineT
@NaDineT 2 жыл бұрын
I was born in 1987 in a country that doesn't exist anymore. If I had the chance of time traveling, I would travel to the beginning, middle and end of GDR. To see with my own eyes how it was. Sure, I can ask elder people, but everyone has a different view. I also had no chance to learn in school about the GDR. My father said once, that you can't let people teach about that era who had lived in it. Fun fact: I still have my GDR vaccination book in use 😄
@simonegruenig8361
@simonegruenig8361 2 жыл бұрын
Its DDR.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
Same! I mean 1986 in my case but other than that: SAME! 😅😊
@Crysticia
@Crysticia 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonegruenig8361 DDR translated in english is GDR.
@daniell7524
@daniell7524 2 жыл бұрын
Have you visited Transnistria before? It may transport the same feelings.
@roesi1985
@roesi1985 2 жыл бұрын
Me too! I was born in 1985, so I remember "Die Wende". And the country didn't change overnight, so there was still a lot of GDR to be experienced in the 90s.
@dunkenbronuts5019
@dunkenbronuts5019 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos that talks about interesting time periods in Germany.
@jacobkanev317
@jacobkanev317 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very nice video! Some really minor remarks: • The GDR did not have a one-party sytem. There was a parliament (die Volkskammer) with the parties SED (formed when the KPD and SPD merged), the Peasant's Party, the Christian Party, the Liberal Party, and the National Democratic Party. However, there was no opposition in parliament, the parties formed one big coalition (the Nationale Front) which was mainly controlled by the SED. And yes, elections were rigged. After re-unification the parties merged with their West-German counterparts (the Christians with the CDU, most of the SED members left and joined various parties, the others merged with the FDP). • The eastern zone after the war was controlled by Soviets, not by Russians (Russia was part of the Soviet Union, but they're not the same). Also, thank you for calling the GDR "socialist". Many people mix up socialism and communism and just call everything "communist". • Just like the Turkish "Gastarbeiter" in the FRG there were foreigners helping the economy in the GDR too. They were mostly Vietnamese. And sadly, integration into society was handled even worse than with the Turkish people in West-Germany. Xenophobia was widespread. • You did not get arrested for watching western television. I grew up with "Sesamstraße" (Sesame Street), Muppet Show, McGyver and "Sendung mit der Maus" just as much as I did with "Sandmännchen", "Spuk unterm Riesenrad", and "Ellentie". Criticizing the government didn't get you arrested either, and there were a lot of jokes around how stupid the politicians are. However, organising anti-government protest with a couple of people would have been another matter. • Some other differences between GDR and FRG not mentioned in the video: There were neither jobless nor homeless people in the GDR. Also, there were no advertisments, neither on posters in cities nor on telly. • Language was slightly different between GDR and FRG, to an extent possibly comparable to Austria vs Germany today, with either different words for the same thing, or words used with a slightly different meaning or frequency (e.g., "Plaste" vs "Plastik", "Flugzeug" vs "Flieger", "Nicki" vs "T-Shirt", "Dederon" vs "Nylon", "Kindergarten" vs "Kita"). Some of this is still around today. • Other people have already remarked on the different car types. We used to have a Skoda for example. And I still sometimes use the word "Barkas" as German translation of "Van". • I think the main disappointment for most former GDR citizens was that the re-unification was not the merger of two sovereign countries forming a new and different country as a result, but that it was more of a take-over - all GDR institutions got eradicated and replaced with their FRG counterparts, job qualifications didn't get recognised (e.g., doctors had to re-take exams), factories and companies were given to new West-German owners, people lost their houses if before the war they had belonged to people now living in the west, etc; while life for West-Germans didn't really change. And yes, quite a number of people left at the time (you mentioned that). But mainly: Your videos are lovely, please keep making them! Also: I think it was absolutely brilliant how you handled the name change of your channel and the issues that caused it in the first place. Really elegant.
@Hand-in-Shot_Productions
@Hand-in-Shot_Productions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information! Also, when Feli mentioned "the Russians", I was also thinking "They were technically the _Soviet_ military!". Strictly speaking, "Russia" (the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic) referred to one of 15 republics within the USSR, with each republic corresponding to a different ethnic group (and forming an independent country in 1990-1991). As a matter of fact, from what I have researched just now, one of the USSR's military governors in what would become the GDR was ethnically _Belarusian,_ a different ethnicity from a different republic! Details about the republics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union For the Belarusian governor I was referring to: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Sokolovsky#Early_life
@clickbaitnumberone1403
@clickbaitnumberone1403 2 жыл бұрын
The parliament and the parties in there were nothing more than a fake. And I am pretty sure you know it so dont tell lies here. And the country was overtaken by the west because the people wanted it that way and elected the conservative party who intented to do so. But its always easier to find the fault at the other people
@renshiwu305
@renshiwu305 2 жыл бұрын
East Germany (which I prefer, as the "German Democratic Republic" is essentially three lies - neither German nor democratic nor a republic) was a bit like Syria is (or like Russian basically is now). There were other parties in parliament, but the vanguard and official party was the only one that determined policy. There is no point to democracy if you can't compete to offer a different set a of views and policies.
@brendanlinnane5610
@brendanlinnane5610 Жыл бұрын
@@Hand-in-Shot_Productions When the UN was created, Stalin used this fiction of separate countries to get three votes. The Ukrainian SSR, the Byelorussian SSR and the USSR each had a separate seat and separate vote in the UN.
@magspies
@magspies Жыл бұрын
Important information to include! Thanks for commenting and sharing.
@daves5716
@daves5716 2 жыл бұрын
After visiting West and and East Berlin a few times in the 1980's I finally got to travel thru the east in 1991. Driving across the former inter-German border was like going 45 years back in time.
@inotoni6148
@inotoni6148 2 жыл бұрын
It's not like that anymore. Several trillion euros have been invested in the east. The streets and buildings have been put in order so that some cities look fresher in the east than in the west.
@Martina-rg4me
@Martina-rg4me 2 жыл бұрын
Great summary Feli! I totally agree with you on “if outsiders don’t know what to look for, they won’t notice the difference”. One either is informed about the topic or lived in Germany and heard conversations or talked about. Otherwise, it’s hard to tell.
@jhendric98
@jhendric98 2 жыл бұрын
My family moved from north east of Leipzig (Wartenburg) in the mid-1700's. I've been following your channel with interest as I study German in an effort to understand my heritage better. I am hoping to spend time there after the pandemic and I hope my German is at least passable. Thanks for the channel. :)
@AnoNymInvestor
@AnoNymInvestor 6 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@mikhaildomakhin9401
@mikhaildomakhin9401 2 жыл бұрын
Feli, I was waiting for this episode for ages. Thank you so much
@TestTest-eb8jr
@TestTest-eb8jr 2 жыл бұрын
I think that you missed Wartburg as a car manufacturer Part of the Ostalgie is also the fact that "everybody" had a paying job (no matter how crappy the job was)
@claudiaernst6225
@claudiaernst6225 2 жыл бұрын
And how crappy the job was paid.
@LordDavid04
@LordDavid04 2 жыл бұрын
There were other car brands too, mostly from other Communist allied nations of the Eastern Bloc.
@carolynruppersberg1000
@carolynruppersberg1000 2 жыл бұрын
Visited Berlin in the early '70s. Shockingly, two different worlds a few yards apart.! Keep up the good (and interesting) work!
@JassBo83
@JassBo83 2 жыл бұрын
I recently learned that even all utilities were divided. They had their own power grid. I remember visiting East Berlin as a little 5yr old kid. When I was about 10 I used to travel across the city to go swimming at the SEZ, first time riding the old orange and white Straßenbahn, all by myself I should add.
@amonshumate4957
@amonshumate4957 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Feli. I wish all the best to everyone and I hope that in short time things will normalize. Merry Christmas and good luck.
@f99mlu
@f99mlu 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel! Always fact based (unlike many other channels!) and a very friendly tone. Merry Christmas from Sweden!
@mariusm62
@mariusm62 2 жыл бұрын
There is a similar divide also in my country in Europe(Romania) between the western part of the country and the Eastern and Southern parts(except the capital that's in the south). Only that the divide can be traced even further back, to when the western part of today's Romania was a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Eastern and Southern parts where under the influence of the Ottoman Empire Even after 103 years after the Unification, differences remain.
@NealB123
@NealB123 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, Feli. Watching on TV as the Berlin Wall was being torn down and the East German guards standing by and doing nothing is one of the most memorable events in my life. Incredible memories.
@TheBlackhorse1954
@TheBlackhorse1954 8 ай бұрын
My father was stationed in Germany in the early 60's. We were there for 4 1/2 years. I actually went to a German school up to my 3rd grade. Later in life I served in the US Army and spent 3 years in Darmstadt, and 7 1/2 years at Wiesbaden. I was there when the wall came down. It was an exciting time for the people of Germany. My 3 daughters basically grew up in Germany, my youngest was born there, and my two oldest graduated high school while in Germany. We absolutely loved it there. Of all my military assignments in over 20 years, we loved Germany most of all.
@donalds.griffin2913
@donalds.griffin2913 2 жыл бұрын
"If you don't know what you're looking for..." That would make a great video. A street tour of things that show the difference between east and west or things that were changed or modified as a result of unification.
@1SantinO2
@1SantinO2 2 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons for Ostalgie, in my opinion, is mainly that everyone had work. It didn't work economicaly but for the average person that didn't matter and they probably didnt even know. There was also a much stronger sense of community in the east, since it basicaly was communism. So being greedy and money orientated and the consumerism of today wasn't really a thing back then. So I can understand why the older generation looks back fondly on the time. But as the Nostalgie-part suggests it wasn't all rainbows, but that is not what people remember from their past.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
That, and prices for rent and basic nutrition were artificially kept low. It showed in negligence in building maintenance (no money coming in from rent, no money to be spent on doing repairs). And I heard rumors that I can't verify, but that were first hand stories from people I don't have a reason to mistrust, that the massive funding of base nutrition in the end lead to absurdities like it being cheaper for a pig farmer to buy bread to feed them than grain
@holger_p
@holger_p 2 жыл бұрын
Even the unemployed worked hard ;-) Actually everyone pretended to work hard, you could not been fired anyway ;-) And in case of low level emergency, people tend to help each other more. It's still the case today in case of floodings etc. If you can go and by a driller in the hardware store, you don't need to ask the neighbor for one. So people ask less for help, it does not mean they would not get it any more, if they ask.
@GeorgFriedrich66
@GeorgFriedrich66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. There was definitely not as much of a sense of competition on the job market. By artificially creating jobs for everybody there were not as many ‘losers’ in society as there are today. Just a sense of purpose can really help to feel appreciated by society. Additionally, after the reunification many people lost their jobs because the industries in the former east were not as profitable as importing from abroad, because there were less children in schools etc. Overall, the main issue is that the “new system” after the reunification was not negotiated between the two countries but rather the existing western system was imposed on the east. At the same time, people from the east were given the feeling that they were supposed to be grateful because they were seen as a burden in the eyes of many people in the west. This feeling of being left behind by society in my opinion is a major reason for the discontent of many in the east.
@theawolf2478
@theawolf2478 2 жыл бұрын
@@hartmutholzgraefe yes, my great grandparents had cows back then and it was cheaper for them to sell their milk to the kiosk and then buy the exact same milk again than just drink their own milk 😅
@tortiboy142
@tortiboy142 2 жыл бұрын
According to my father, the lower level of society like ex prisoners had higher privileges, if they were looking for jobs or housings.
@robertzander9723
@robertzander9723 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Feli. 40 years are a long time, at lot of things happened, in school for education, in the society, at work and wherever you like. It's not so easy to change that immediately and making a turn of 180 degrees in your believings in a few moments, that is tough. What was right in one moment,was wrong in the next. I'm not so sure if the people of West-Germany would have done that so quickly, if you never had that experience it's not so easy to talk about.. And the people from the East had to make a turn like that for the first time in the 50s as well. My grandparents were born at the time of the first world war and between them. The real reunification will come with every new generation more and more, they can change the believings and the culture and don't think so much about the differences anymore. That's our chance and of course the expats from other countries.
@teriampuls9356
@teriampuls9356 2 жыл бұрын
30 years ^^
@dorderre
@dorderre 2 жыл бұрын
@@teriampuls9356 I think he's referring to the 40 years of the GDR's existence. It's just as Feli said. Many ppl have lots and lots of memories from that time and it's hard to adapt to sth entirely new. Take my parents for example. My dad was born a few weeks after the end of WW2 and my mom was born a few weeks after the foundation of FRG and GDR. Up until the wall fell they knew nothing else than this state of things. It was all the world, all the life they had. Then suddenly in their early and mid-fourties they had to adapt to a world completely changed, more or less overnight. It wasn't easy I can tell you. Even today it's still more than half of each's lives they spent in the GDR. That doesn't go away that easily :/
@user-sm3xq5ob5d
@user-sm3xq5ob5d 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is not so much the beliefs. It is the economic situation that gets people to extreme positions. People look fondly to institutions like child care, medical facilities and universal right (duty) to work. Even the school system, despite it was used for indoctrination and suppression, was seen as good. Then came the west and people embraced consumerism. But they also lost a lot of workplaces. So dangling a banana in front of you you could not pay for was what before was a banana the dangled a thousand miles away from you and you had money but could not get it. So people become frustrated and look for pied pipers. My suggestion of the German flag is therefore: black for a right wing dictatorship, red for a left wing dictatorship, and yellow for bananas everybody wanted instead.
@CTBauer
@CTBauer 10 ай бұрын
The first time I visited Berlin was in 1980. I went to West Berlin while living and studying in Italy as a quick trip to see what it was like. While we couldn't go into East Berlin, you could see it through the gate and over the wall. Then I visited again in 2002 on business. I took a walk through much of Berlin - East and West - and the difference was staggering. In West Berlin, the buildings were new, shiny, and commerce was lively. Pottsdamer Platz had been somewhat developed, but the line between the former East and West was quite clear. I remember seeing holes in buildings (on the East side of buildings) from WW II that still hadn't been fixed. The difference was shocking. Then in 2007 - 2008, while visiting family near Wurzburg, my brother, brother-in-law, and I took a trip to a monastery for haxe and bier. During the drive, we visited the westernmost part of East Germany and spent a little time in the former East Germany. While it was mostly rural where we were, it was again clear where the East began and the West ended. The vehicles and farm equipment was older in the East and houses looked a little less well cared for. Quite a shock that 60+ years after the war and almost 20 years after reunification, there were still visual distinctions between East and West.
@maxwellheintz2391
@maxwellheintz2391 2 жыл бұрын
This video, especially the discussion of “Ostalgie” , made me think of that film “Good Bye Lenin.” I saw that either when I was a Senior in high school or a Freshman in college. Great movie!
@tomfrazier1103
@tomfrazier1103 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this also, in College in the 2000s.
@The_Dudester
@The_Dudester 2 жыл бұрын
I used to work with a Vietnamese woman. She was actually born about the time that South Vietnam fell to North Vietnam. Like her parents, she clung to a country that no longer existed, like those in the DDR. She listened fanatically to a Vietnamese radio station that played music like Frank Sinatra (circa 1960), big band music popular to the late 50's/early 60's by the World War 2 generation. It was scary seeing that devotion in her. As if South Vietnam still existed.
@ocyranek
@ocyranek 2 жыл бұрын
To people from South Vietnam, South Vietnam never died. It still exists. Just like to people from Communist countries they always hoped they will be free again.
@SwordsmanRyan
@SwordsmanRyan 2 жыл бұрын
Always made me smile when Cung Le would fight wearing his Republic of Vietnam shorts.
@henryperez3559
@henryperez3559 2 жыл бұрын
My family is from Cuba and they are the same way. It’s like you’re from a country out of history, it doesn’t exist anymore. I should clarify my family came to the United States in 1960
@viethungle8627
@viethungle8627 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a guy from North Vietnam, I was born way after the reunification. The communist government and communism enthusiasts often describe themselves as "liberators" and the South as "losers", "traitors", "liberated by the North" and so on; while Southerners often have negative views aover Northerners, labelling us as "snobs", "commies", "North side dogs"... and I think they are just all over exaggerated. I hate that sort of dehumanization of our Southern brothers, and I hate the fact that they also dehumanize us in reverse. I have a lot of Southern friends and get along with them pretty well. We may have different ideologies, mindsets and opinions, but we are all Vietnamese after all. But yes, similar to Germany, the regional division in Vietnam is still huge after decades of reunification. A couple of years ago I was studying for my Masters degree in Europe. My roommate was a guy from East Germany, nice guy. He said that he sympathized with me more than his own people from the West. I don't know why, but maybe it had something to do with the fact that we both lived under communism (well actually he didn't, he lived in a post-communism society). He told me the stories of how Eastern people are discriminated in the West, he said that even though the discrimination is no way systematically materialized and not often portrayed by media, doesn't mean it isn't there. A western girl refused to hang out with him, and once he was verbally bullied by other guys and get called "commie". He was a stoic man and could withstand those things without giving a F, but he told be that it made him upset thinking about it. Both of our countries were torn apart, and the consequences of two divisions may haunt future generations in two nations forever, because of a bullshit ideological war between two superpowers in the late 20th century. So yeah, war is shit.
@PurduePravda
@PurduePravda 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up with many children of South Vietnamese refugees living in California. I can tell you for a fact South Vietnam still exists in exile.
@MStefan
@MStefan 2 жыл бұрын
I was about 20 year’s old when the wall fell. I’ve visited the GDR twice short before the fall. And because my mother’s family came from the Görlitz area and flet to the west in WW II, I had a great-aunt living there. I’m not an American, I live in Switzerland. That’s only to explain that I may have a different view. My great-Aunt could travel in my youth because she was retired then. I think somehow the GDR government would not count it as a loss if she would not return. She could visit us in Switzerland too. That’s because for the West German government she was german. She could change her GDR passport to an BRD passport for the time of her stay and therefore travel in Europe. Bevor she returned she gave her BRD passport back to the authorities and got her GDR passport back. For Görlitz it was luck in my opinion to have been in the GDR. I think for some other cities too. That’s because like that there were less renovations or demolitions of buildings to construct new ones. Also the «old» street plaster was left. Like that it has a beautiful old town now. What takes part in Paris in the film «Around the world in 80 days» with Jackie Chan was filmed in Görlitz. The backside is like Feli mentioned that the unemployment rate was super high when I last was there around 2004. What concerns the «ostalgie»: I think nobody misses the regime. But the products were not all bad. And somebody told me she is missing the social life. Everybody new there was a «spy» from the Stasi in each bigger building and sometimes they new even who it was. But life was not so anonymous like today or then in the west. There was more help among the neighbors than today. And you had not to worry about social security. That are the three facts that some people miss in my opinion.
@MStefan
@MStefan 2 жыл бұрын
And by the way: In Berlin you still can see if you are in former west or east. The light signals for pedestrians are still different.
@cuongpham6218
@cuongpham6218 2 жыл бұрын
@@MStefan Traffic lights in many areas of the former West Berlin were actually changed to the famously beloved Ostampelmännchen though, as it has recently become somewhat of a touristy symbol of Berlin. Even some West German cities/towns also imported the Ampelmännchen, notably Darmstadt. I was quite surprised to see so many streets of Darmstadt having the little man figure on the traffic lights, as I was under strong impression that only the East has it.
@MaineMoose5989
@MaineMoose5989 2 жыл бұрын
I've always been curious about some of these topics but never figured out how to phrase them in questions. Very insightful video!
@stlev99
@stlev99 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Feli. This topic consumes me, and I am always interested to see how it comes up in literature. Thx for this video
@thisismyCoolFace
@thisismyCoolFace 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering my question! I knew it would be a pretty difficult project the second after I hit send but a lot of other people were curious about it as well. Thank you for providing all those additional resources as well. Couldn’t imagine what it was like to be from East Germany during reunification, have a job all your life and suddenly The Party is gone so you’re “free” but also unemployed.
@dnocturn84
@dnocturn84 2 жыл бұрын
The devide before also was pretty painful. Younger generations propably don't understand the scale of this. Companies fled from the communists and re-settled in the West as well, families and friends were devided and were unable to see each other for a *very* long time. My great grand mother for example "lost" 3 of her children through the devide (also at a very young age, her youngest son was 3 years old!) and never saw them again. Many families also never really grew back together after the reunification.
@michaausleipzig
@michaausleipzig 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely! And dwindling population is still a problem, especially in rural areas. Many small towns have been nicely refurbished with huge investments. Now they're pretty ... but basicly empty.
@highlandsmusic8362
@highlandsmusic8362 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my God! Thanks Felicia for this wonderful information!
@Thebibs
@Thebibs 11 ай бұрын
You really put that well, with dignity and respect. Thanks!
@michaelfinter7393
@michaelfinter7393 2 жыл бұрын
Great post! Thanks for the insight.
@leiocera2433
@leiocera2433 2 жыл бұрын
EN: There is another difference: You can (at night) see the different light colo(r)s from space. The DDR lights are much more yellow. DE: Es gibt einen weiteren Unterschied zwischen West- und Ostdeutschland, der noch heute sichtbar ist. Die Lichter, die man vom Weltall aus sehen kann, sind in der DDR viel gelber.
@stoneman8387
@stoneman8387 2 жыл бұрын
Sind die Bilder 30 Jahre alt?
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
@@stoneman8387 depends on the city, When it comes to Berlin they took care of keeping the traditional "color scheme" intact, and the difference is e.g. still clearly visible in pictures taken from the ISS by Chris Hadfield, who was on board the ISS from December 2012 to March 2013
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
There was also a more subtle difference in electric systems: while all of Europe in general is using a 50Hz network, the "Iron curtain" also separated east and west europe in that respect. And that lead to slightly different frequency variations, usually the east was off the west by about 1/10th of a Hertz. And as the power network frequency also affects the rotation frequency of electric motors, and the masses driven by them, and so in the end the vibrations caused by unbalanced mass, seismographs could pick up the beat interference pattern as a faint base "noise" all the time.
@Crysticia
@Crysticia 2 жыл бұрын
@@stoneman8387 Nein ich meine man es so gelassen, dass man es auch heute bei Nacht aus dem Weltall noch sieht.
@johannesfrost8720
@johannesfrost8720 2 жыл бұрын
@@hartmutholzgraefe That sounds very interesting, but as a technician in the energy providing system in the GDR I know that the network frequency was almost everytime exact 50 Hertz...We had equipment to cut of parts of the system if the frequency would be too low but it has only worked one time: in the winter of 1978/79 when there was a heavy blackout.
@brianhiles8164
@brianhiles8164 2 жыл бұрын
In a future short, I suggest you do a video documentary about the Trabant and the Wartburg -- two of the most hilarious vehicles ever made. There are westerners (including Americans) who own and restore these cars, and I am surprised that they report replacement parts as very inexpensive.
@gregmctevia5087
@gregmctevia5087 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very informative piece.
@michaelh6237
@michaelh6237 2 жыл бұрын
The Lives of Others. It's so good that I went to the cinema twice for it. Highly recommend it.
@knvogel
@knvogel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this topic as it was one I was very interested in. You did a good job of explaining the main issues. Realistically, after 40 years of separation, it seems that it may take a few generations for most of the differences to disappear. I admire the German people for making such good progress in a relatively short time and with few signs of discontent. When the US went through reconstruction after our Civil War (or War Between the States if you prefer) it was a very difficult rift to heal and there are still some tense feelings 160 years later. Keep up the great work.
@wncjan
@wncjan 2 жыл бұрын
I visited Berlin a few times in the late 80s and again in 91 after the fall of the Berlin wall. I remember how strange it felt to be able to walk into what used to be East Berlin, and also to observe the differences in archtechture.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was very strange back then, the east even smelled differently (rather sulfurous brown coal still being used for heating a lot; the Trabant cars still using two-stroke engines, and so having this distinct smell of burned oil in their fumes; and even the cleaning agents used in most restaurants having a slight note of "dentist"). But nowadays it's really hard to guess whether you're in the former eastern or western part, unless you see some "Platte" (high rise buildings assembled from pre-fabricated concrete slab elements)
@holger_p
@holger_p 2 жыл бұрын
But you could have gone in 1980 also. The iron curtain was not closed for you, it was only closed for the easterners.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe 2 жыл бұрын
@@holger_p oh, I did, three or four times transit by train, and once by car (but only once we actually went from west to east berlin) It was possible, but was used mostly for transit from/to west berlin only. There were regions in other est europe countries interesting for west german tourists, but that would mostly be former Yugoslavia, and Hungary. East germany itself: not so much. And east german border control tried rather hard to make it an unpleasant experience to travel transit. And then there was the period right before the reunion where I was forbidden to use transit by the west german army, during my mandatory service time, and one year beyond that, as the signal intelligence work i was assigned to was said to be considered illegal espionage by the warsaw pact
@wncjan
@wncjan 2 жыл бұрын
@@holger_p I could not. As an officer in the Danish Navy I was not allowed to visit Warsaw Pact countries except on official visits.
@holger_p
@holger_p 2 жыл бұрын
@@hartmutholzgraefe I see, this is all just experience the East Germans never had, they never saw any border. And sure as a tourist destination it's not that fascinating. I was in eastern military service when the wall came down. Since you had to deposit your passport for this, you could not go anywhere abroad. So my first visit to the west was a few weeks later, I think around christmas. Actually the east germans have been paid to come over (It's a strange way to describe this, I know). So even people with less intention for a visit, went to the west.
@MikeFiwi
@MikeFiwi 11 ай бұрын
Wow, exzellente Kurzbeschreibung ❤ Gut gemacht 👌🏻
@gwillis01
@gwillis01 Жыл бұрын
Hello Feli. Thank you for an informative video
@johnvelas70
@johnvelas70 2 жыл бұрын
It was required to take 2 years of German in my Catholic grade school. I had 2 German teachers one from E Germany, 1 from the West. I distinctly remember the difference in their accents. Both German & English.
@michaelwolf845
@michaelwolf845 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Feli. One impotant point you did wrong was, that there where more than one choices of cars. In The GDR there was the "Wartburg" produced too and a fiew people could buy the russian "Lada". The higher class mostly had western german cars as well. The most important thing after the borders between the both states where fallen, the big companies had their time of their live. The Treuhand, thing, killed overall the trust in the western system. The main argument of the eastern people is, that it wasn't all bad in the GDR. This is right. Time will hopefully fix those division issues. Thanks a lot for your Work. I love to see how you try to explain us germans to the US
@chrissoclone
@chrissoclone 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the Treuhand point, I (as a westener) think it was criminal how they swiped almost all of the GDR industry from the map and certainly ruined many people's lifes and self esteem while unscrupelously filling western capitalist pockets - no surprise it was called the "Wild East" for years. Personally I still wish Pentacon had been saved, I love all the old GDR cameras. :)
@oregonswede
@oregonswede 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I was wondering how successful the reunification was. Good video.
@donaldbie8481
@donaldbie8481 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Feli !
@joshuaboelsche7684
@joshuaboelsche7684 2 жыл бұрын
i majored in international affairs in college so i'm here for the geopolitics 🤩
@constatinexipalaeologus507
@constatinexipalaeologus507 2 жыл бұрын
Feli you have such a kind smile 😃
@markstinson4434
@markstinson4434 2 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done. A well-balanced presentation.
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 11 ай бұрын
this is a fascinating topic and I'm glad you chimed in on it. you're right that it is a huge and complicated topic for just one video. About five years after the reunification a news outlet surveyed east and west berlin citizens and found a small but sizeable portion of the residents wanted the wall to be put back.
@ClaudiaG.1979
@ClaudiaG.1979 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in west germany, my dad fled from the east before the wall was build. He met my mother, they married and had 3 Kids, however, we regularly could visit the relatives in the east and although i was a little kid i do remember some few things.. We needed a visa to visit and they told us which route we were allowed to use.. we werent allowed to drive freely. My dad always suspected his brother beeing a Stasi Member because he was overly interested in the west and asked many many question. this lead to a very strange feeling in the family, we couldnt speak freely about our lives in the west. I also remember the situation at the border crossing very well, my mother always bought a west newspaper and everytime the east officer confiscated the newspaper, we always laught at it, but in hindsight this was the only way for the east people to get some news from the outside world.. When Germany reunited my dad found out his brother was a stasi member, just as he always suspected and the stasi had documents for all our family members, not only the members in east but also about my dad, my mom, me and my siblings.. They documented very well where we were going, things we said and so on..
@winterlinde5395
@winterlinde5395 2 жыл бұрын
😟Unheimlich !!!
@californiahiker9616
@californiahiker9616 2 жыл бұрын
All the relatives on my father’s side were living in the East. The rest of my family were living in the west. I sometimes was able to visit my Grandma in Erfurt in the early 1960’s, but she rarely was able to visit us. I remember the border crossings by train. The controllers were on a power trip and openly detested West Germans. I moved to the US in the early 1970’s and didn’t visit my East German relatives again until the early 1990’s. I found we had very little in common. Our upbringing and schooling had been so different. It was like visiting a foreign country. But one thing I remember them saying…. When the Stasi archives were opened everybody was shocked just to what extend they had been spied on. They were so incredulous and felt very betrayed.
@jamescrane4050
@jamescrane4050 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your first hand experience with this situation and how it played out with your family.
@Nata-rp6pf
@Nata-rp6pf 10 ай бұрын
and now the Americans are spying on Germany. but Merkel didn't mind, so it's OK.
@kevinm.8682
@kevinm.8682 2 жыл бұрын
Bless you for having the courage to take on this topic. I know it's not easy. I know most of us Americans are not well versed on Germans and Germany. I was blessed to be stationed in Berlin from '81 to '83. I got the chance to travel in the West a little, and I'd love to come back now that the wall is gone. I'm curious to see how the new German chancellor and his government will do as far as governing the country.
@Ryan_Dye-r
@Ryan_Dye-r 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this channel more than you'll ever know.
@redskywarrior
@redskywarrior 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, I’ve been wondering about this same question for a long time
@MartyBecker
@MartyBecker 2 жыл бұрын
Having lived and worked in West Berlin in 1985, this is an interesting video. I have not returned the Berlin since, but it is one my list to do so I can see a unified Berlin.
@Mischnikvideos
@Mischnikvideos 2 жыл бұрын
Berlin has changed a lot. The wall disappeared from the populated areas and the death strip was built on.
@wintonhudelson2252
@wintonhudelson2252 2 жыл бұрын
My wife worked with a couple from East Berlin. As the DDR first started building the wall, the made their plans in secret. The started taking evening walks along an unfinished section of the Wall. The Stasi were wary of them at first, but their casual demeanor and slow gait soon became normal. One evening they were right as the narrowest area between west and east. The slipped into the west. It was hard because as Feli indicated, they never knew who was an informer. So they couldn't say goodbye to any family. Siegfried and Krista were OK folks and prospered in America. I always felt sorry for those left in the east under harsh rule.
@theresamnsota3925
@theresamnsota3925 11 ай бұрын
My mom’s first fiancé, escaped from East Germany with his mother. They met in college in the States, in the late 1960s. In 1990, my mom and her sisters went on a Martin Luther tour. So needless to say, much of that tour was in the former East. The bus driver and the tour guide felt like they were on a tour themselves, because it was their first time in the former East. I then went Germany and Austria with my family in 1995. We visited with some family friends in Niedersachsen. They took us to Berlin, and thank goodness they did. Even five years after the Wall fell, they were still working on reconnecting the train lines between East and West. We were grateful to have native German speakers with us v
@WordAte
@WordAte 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of KZfaq commercials fail for me. But your demonstration of Blinkist sold me. I just signed up for the free trial. Well done.
@kleckerklotz9620
@kleckerklotz9620 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is the view of a West German who very likely did not have much contact with East Germans in her life and is reproducing all the stories she heard from other West Germans in her life. So yes, some of the points are correct, but only partly. I am an 40 year old East German, who had seen a lot of both parts of Germany. I grew up nine years in this other system. I had a West German girlfriend for five years and have many close West German friends. Please let me say something, where I don't agree: 1. We had a lot of West German products in the GDR. There was the so called "Intershop", where you could buy international products with foreign exchange ("Devisen" usually "Westmark"). I had LEGO as a child in East Germany. And our relatives from the west had always sent packages. 2. West Germans had a lot of products, which were produced in East Germany. For example IKEA had a factory in East Germany, which was shipped to West Germany. Or the press in Wolfsburg used to produce the VW Beetle came from East Germany. 3. East Germans were allowed to travel, but only in other block states without trouble (Hungary was a holyday resort). But it was possible to travel to other countries too, as long as you were not conspicuously against the system and you had to prove it. 4. Life in East Germany was not that bad for most people. I consider myself a happy kid and I have many good memories before the wall came down. 5. By what my girlfriend and their family told me, the differences weren't that big. Especially in the 60ies and 70ies. The living conditions were quite similar. That changed later, when West Germany transformed to a service society (tertiary sector) and East Germany was still an industrial country. 6. The economy wasn't that bad as it is always reported. It's like comparing Metric with Imperial. Of course it wouldn't fit. It's two different systems. The economy was bad, because it couldn't compete with a capitalist economy. If you suddenly have to apply Western standards on a low income high social expense system, everything goes down the drain. That's exactly what happened. Reunification simply happened too quickly. There was no time to adapt to new circumstances. This was one of the biggest mistakes and is the source of most of today's problems between East and West Germany. 7. That then of course many people leave the country is no wonder. Especially young people left. That's called a brain drain. Btw. that happens all around the globe. People go where they find work. That leeds to a negative feedback loop. When there are no progressive young people, there are no new companies. When there are no new companies, there are no new jobs. More people leave. If there is then also a difference in income and the employment offices demand the move, the catastrophe is pre-programmed. 8. When many young people leave the country, it leads to an aging population. Older people usually vote more conservative. If you are then treated as people of second class in media, you begin to display victim behaviour. This is the perfect breeding ground for extreme voting behavior. But you can find the same behaviour in some West German regions too. Everywhere where old structures no longer work. So it's not only the "Ossis"? It's the left behind who vote extreme. Btw. not every East German vote the AfD. The highest rate is 27% in Saxony. In comparision 12% in Bayern and Baden Würtemberg. 9. The solidarity tax was used on structurally weak regions. Yes, that was mainly East Germany. But also the Saarland or the Ruhr region. Every German citizen who pays taxes has to pay it - West Germans and as well as East Germans. It's a myth which West Germans tell each other, that they have to pay for East Germans. Which is a shame, since the West had accumulated all the workforce of the young East Germans, who paid their taxes in West Germany. 10. I wouldn't agree that there is that big of a division between East and West. That division of "Ossis" and "Wessis" is only in the mind of a few and the media make it worse. If you believe what people tell you, that will not change. The real division is between the rich and the poor. That shouldn't get worse IMHO. Feli please, come visit East Germany and get to know to the people before you judge.
@katblackmountain6091
@katblackmountain6091 2 жыл бұрын
Danke
@theginkgo
@theginkgo 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a West German and about Feli's age, but the video still left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I don't blame her for having her perspective, like you say, it's just what you're told here, in school and from the media, and some things like racist and anti-vax tendencies just feel like having to be addressed in this context. However, when it comes to making a video that's supposed to be educational to foreigners without any previous knowledge on the issue, it maybe would have been a better idea to discuss this topic together with an East German creator to hear both perspectives, or even outright say something like: "I know you guys are interested in this topic, but it's not my place to talk about it, please watch [insert East German KZfaqr]'s video about it instead".
@Nata-rp6pf
@Nata-rp6pf 10 ай бұрын
And I don't get it why Feli keeps telling Russia when it was Soviet Union that time.
@emp0rizzle
@emp0rizzle 9 ай бұрын
The wall was to keep the West Germans roaches out of Glorious East Germany
@re4per187
@re4per187 8 ай бұрын
Danke dafür.
@ukrainiipyat
@ukrainiipyat 2 жыл бұрын
Such a wide ranging topic with so many different opinions but overall the re-unification of Germany was a great thing for Europe. I cannot wait to visit Germany again - the beer, the bread, the marzipan!
@biancadeamer1478
@biancadeamer1478 7 ай бұрын
🥴😵‍💫🤮
@SDluka
@SDluka 3 ай бұрын
Well not for us in the Balkans.
@Tom48317
@Tom48317 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting topic. I wish it was a longer video. Thanks for covering it Feli.
@WayneKitching
@WayneKitching Жыл бұрын
My one former middle-aged colleague colleague was from the former East Germany. I enjoyed talking to him, even though his political and other views were vastly different from my own. He didn't trust the EU or globalisation. He supported some of Trump's opinions (this was in 2017-2018, not sure if he'd changed his mind since then) as for as they were anti-globalist. His English was pretty good, but with a strong accent. He could speak Russian and showed me Russian cursive (mind blown). When he and a young girl had quite a strong difference of opinion about politics, the girl was worried that the friendship would be ruined. However, they remained friends, which is good, because we we working on a project in a small town and we used to socialise with our colleagues over weekends.
@Thoringer
@Thoringer 2 жыл бұрын
You are ALMOST correct. Technically, the GDR was a multi-party system. The CDU did exist, but was heavily undermined by IMs of the StaSi. Also, there wasn't only the Trabant, but also the Wartburg. You were not arrested for watching West German TV. I can attest to that because I lived in that times and we ALWAYS watched West German TV. It may have gotten you under surveillance, but you were not arrested for it. Both of my parents had StaSi files on them. But that's a story for another time. If you want to know more, let me know. I live in Texas now, so, Central Time. ;-) Last one: FDP is not "Libertarian" but "Classic Liberal" - huge difference! "Libertarians" in Germany are the AfD.
@stuffthatworks7867
@stuffthatworks7867 2 жыл бұрын
@Thoringer, "Last one: FDP is not "Libertarian" but "Classic Liberal" - huge difference! "Libertarians" in Germany are the AfD." Care to explain that? I don't follow you.
@johannesfrost8720
@johannesfrost8720 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanations. I wanted to comment quite the same. The fact that one had to wait 10 years for a car is pretty interesting for young people now or for people in the capitalist countries but that's by far not a thing that's really essential to get an idea how living in the GDR really was...
@Thoringer
@Thoringer 2 жыл бұрын
@@johannesfrost8720 at the end, it was 16-18 years, meaning when a child was born, you better sign them up for a car - was the joke. My grandfather totaled his car, but they were so hard to come by and since he was disabled, the car was completely rebuilt.
@Thoringer
@Thoringer 2 жыл бұрын
@@stuffthatworks7867 Of course! "Libertarian" is a rightwing movement hiding behind supposedly liberal values, such as gun rights, and an extreme reduction of regulation by the government. This basically comes from the "Grassroot movement" in the U.S. Republican party and has many extremist branches, such as Oath Keepers, several right-wing militias, etc. "Classic Liberals" are those who are for a Keynesian economy of mostly laissez-faire and minimal regulation of free markets, are for other freedoms, but not freedom against others. So, a militia would be something totally counter to their idea. In essence, Libertarians are for the "freedom for likeminded" and Classic Liberals are for "Freedom for all." Another distinction is that Libertarians usually have a religious underpinning whilst classic liberals are believe-neutral.
@jimmym3352
@jimmym3352 2 жыл бұрын
@@stuffthatworks7867 I'm guessing he means similar to American Libertarians. That word can mean different things in different places. I believe Feli explained it in her political parties video (it doesn't mean the same thing over there). Libertarians here in the U.S. tend to be far right (though not always).
@ichliebebaeumeweilbaum
@ichliebebaeumeweilbaum Жыл бұрын
As a teen from saxony-anhalt (I feel like no one's ever from there? XD) I can confirm that most of my friends just try to find better stuff in the west asap. Like a lot of my friends applied to multiple universities in the western states and none in the east mostly because they're just more possibilities. I'd say a quarter of my friends stays here, a quarter moves to the western states, a quarter to Berlin specifically (me included xD) and the last one is going to travel/have an exchange year
@JennHolt
@JennHolt Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. It's good to have reports from the "home front". But I'm sorry this is the case. At the last university I worked at, we had an exchange program with the university in Leipzig, so at least some of our students had the opportunity to get to know this lovely city.
@eltrem2708
@eltrem2708 2 ай бұрын
I'm also from S-A. I would have stayed if any of the Unis would have taken me. So I ended up in Bavaria where I had a great college-time. But I also met my husband here and got kind of stuck. I still get homesick sometimes...
@torridscene
@torridscene 2 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt one of your best, Feli.
@lespaul14
@lespaul14 11 ай бұрын
Came across this a year after you posted. Well done!! I enjoyed my travels in (mostly west) Germany and appreciate answers to questions I did not ask when I had the chance. (I also love Cincinnati!)
@Anon54387
@Anon54387 2 жыл бұрын
I watched a documentary about East Germany where they mentioned that at a certain point the Stasi files were made public after the collapse of the USSR. One could browse the files to find out who informed on you to the Stasi if one wished. Naturally, some didn't want to know which of their friends or family informed on them. Others did want to know. Personally, I think I'd rather find out who betrayed my trust as tough as it might be to face that your siblings or cousins would do that.
@markcollins2666
@markcollins2666 2 жыл бұрын
Also a US soldier, stationed in Mannheim, 1990-1994. Shortly after reunification, a few of us entered East Germany, to have a look around. It was surreal. Like the exact opposite of "The Wizard of Oz", where the film changes from black and white, to full color. Everything was drab and colorless. No traffic, no one walking the streets, I don't recall seeing a soul. Hopefully, that's all changed now.
@Nata-rp6pf
@Nata-rp6pf 10 ай бұрын
American soldiers leave the Germany as Soviets did!
@UnAshamed2010
@UnAshamed2010 2 жыл бұрын
Love hearing the history of Germany! Thanks for answering this!
@bloqk16
@bloqk16 2 жыл бұрын
As an American, I attended the Munich Olympic Games in 1972, where the most lasting impression when being at the Olympiastadion for track and field (T&F) competitions was the perceived _kinship_ of the FRG people with those T&F competitors from the DDR. This was back in the era when the Soviet Union and the DDR had top T&F athletes. Whenever the stadium announcer spoke of a DDR competitor, or when a DDR athlete won an event, the stadium with predominately West German attendees roared with cheers for those East German athletes. That kinship of East and West Germans was something that I never heard of in the US prior to my trip to West Germany in 1972.
@64maxpower
@64maxpower 2 жыл бұрын
It's difficult not to be enamored with her energy and smile
@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus
@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus 2 жыл бұрын
It's also difficult to not be crippled with heartache at the fact you'd never be the right man for her every time you get to see her beautiful face.
@64maxpower
@64maxpower 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus no,Feli would totally dig me if she knew me
@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus
@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus 2 жыл бұрын
@@64maxpower perhaps she would, but I was really only lamenting my situation with that reply. Her preferring you would be perfectly fine, but I would only hope you'd treat her right and be good to her and all that. She only deserves that much, you know, no matter who she'd give the time of day to, romantically.
@zkolorowahistoria8149
@zkolorowahistoria8149 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when my father wos go to DDR every year for christmas to purchase me and my sister a christmas gifts and new cloths . it wos somthing amaizing when we wos go to shop and therwos everythin so difirent like in Poland where shops wos empty
@bghammock
@bghammock 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting one, Feli. Thanks!
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