Who wants Dan to do a class on Critical Thinking and Logical Fallacies?
@er-jc9wj Жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t he ever engage with someone like Jay Dyer or Jimmy Akin, who actually knows what they are talking about, instead of these dummies on tik tok since he’s such a genius?
@bobbiefritz2525 Жыл бұрын
Logical fallacies!
@jon4574 Жыл бұрын
@@er-jc9wj I'd enjoy Dan engaging those two folks, whom I've seen debate Matt and Bart. I wasn't impressed with either of their apologetics, as they errantly work backwards with the unquestionable belief that their traditions are correct and that their unprovable theology is true. For example, Jimmy isn't even willing to question if the genealogies in Matthew vs Luke contradict, so he comes up with bizarre excuses for how one is a physical and the other a legal genealogy of Jesus through Joseph, which fails to any scrutiny. Jimmy's circular approach that the bible can't contradict because it can't contradict is not something a genius would do. In my experience, the difference between certain TikTok folks that you have called "dummies" and apologists who you think aren't "dummies" is minimal. The apologists often have a more polished delivery, but they're just dressing up many of the same circular, backwards, fallacious approaches and arguments.
@piano9433 Жыл бұрын
@@jon4574Well put, sir.
@sufficientmagister9061 Жыл бұрын
@@er-jc9wj Jay Dyer is not that very remotely educated in biblical studies, languages, or critical thinking.
@user-gk9lg5sp4y Жыл бұрын
The weapons grade ignorance, mental gymnastics and outright lies of apologists are often breathtaking.
@plattbagarn Жыл бұрын
All the while looking extremely smug while delivering the same old, tired, debunked claims for the millionth time as if no one has ever considered that the bible is self referential. It's like saying Sméagol being in both Bilbo and Lord of the Rings proves Middle Earth is real. Or Harry Potter going to Hogwarts 7 years in a row is proof of magic.
@QuinnPrice Жыл бұрын
Always helpful, Dan. I've changed my narrative about the Bible, having read it cover to cover many times, studied contradictions, and understood how religious narratives were formed, which helped me understand what it is and isn't.
@pansepot1490 Жыл бұрын
Remember kids: Google competently. 😊
@johna1427 Жыл бұрын
Never! Lol
@samuelore8784 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see how Dan and other Christian scholar reconcile these facts with their faith. (From what i've seen, Dan is Mormon). As a person who basically lost all faith in the christian religion,(mainly due to videos like these which i am thankful for), but still wants to believe in some sort of Christianity or Theism, it would be interesting to hear what Dan has to say
@MarcillaSmith Жыл бұрын
While I'm not the UL'er, nor do I have any advanced degrees on this material, I hope you will excuse me if I am compelled to respond briefly to your comment. After being raised in the United Methodist Church, I strayed from the faith and eventually became not just an atheist, but an anti-religious anti-theist. Fast forward to today, and I have come into full communion with the Hole See and serve my parish in the choir and on the stream team. I told the priest who led our RCIA class that I didn't believe in a "historical Jesus." He said that there is no requirement to have perfect belief when we come to the Church - no more than we must have perfect faith or perfect conduct - only that we do not harden our hearts against the Lord moving us to some new understanding, and remain _open_ to the teachings of the Church. The adage "fake it 'til you make it" has been said in many ways throughout the ages - and with good reason. Therefore, I'll leave it to you if you choose to try, and see how your mind ends up reconciling your actions with your knowledge. If it helps, I'll offer you this: our creed opens with _credo in unum Deum_ and not _opino in unum Deum_ - so it's not that we "opine" there is (a/one) god, it's more that we "credit" a/one God. Or, to put it back into the commonly used English translation, it's not that we believe _that_ (there is) one God, it's that we _believe in_ one God (closer to the way we might _believe in_ one option over another). Despite what most of us who recite the creed every week probably think, we are not reaffirming an epistemological claim about truth, we are stating a conscious choice to believe in God (rather than in money, or some other person or thing - material or conceptual).
@daviydviljoen9318 Жыл бұрын
@@MarcillaSmithThat doesn't really answer the question, at least not for me. What would be really difficult for me is reconciling any evolutionary model with Genesis 3, and how that would all reconcile with Jesus dying for our the sins of humanity. And then there's another arguments against the idea that Jesus could die for our sins that I find compiling. So IDK.... I'm only anti-theistic where religious extremists are concerned, in case you're wondering.
@MarcillaSmith Жыл бұрын
@@daviydviljoen9318 Ok, well, I definitely consider myself a religious fanatic, and not a religious extremist, FWIW. And my previous post was to encourage the OP in reaching for his goal, by introducing myself as someone who had done something similar, and leave it for him to discover his own rationale in the process. To address your concerns, which are different, I think the only "evolutionary model" that needs reconciling with Genesis 3 is with regard to the evolution of storytelling. I don't think the point - certainly not the value - of the story is how the snake lost its legs (I couldn't even tell you, off hand, if snakes evolved from legged or legless ancestors). Christ, even if born perfect, must die to Himself as a consequence of our sins, otherwise, we have no model to imitate. This is to say that really _all_ of us need to die to ourselves, and it is due to the sinful nature of our kind. We must die to our own sinful nature, in order to strive to avoid sin, and we must strive to live without sin not only to please our Lord and for our own sake, but because we will always be surrounded buy those who sin, and we serve them better - as Christ serves us - the more we can live without sin, and live as an example of life without sin.
@HoraceTorysScaryStories Жыл бұрын
@samuelore8784 You can be far more moral and effective from a blank slate than from an Iron Age patchwork of undemonstrated claims and thought control. Come on into reality, the water's fine!
@samuelore8784 Жыл бұрын
@@HoraceTorysScaryStories I don't know man. I used to be a hardcore evangelical trinity-believing christian, but ever since I have been exposed to Dan's videos, I have drastically changed my views. Like you know somethings up when you see someone going from believing cringy prophetic christian tiktoks, to subscribing to Bart Erhman in a matter of months lol. And I'm not even 18 yet. That being said, I am definitely not a traditional christian but I still feel as if there must be something beyond this world and our understanding. Maybe due to my previous dogmatic nature I don't know. I feel like this because I remember when I was a strong Christian, some things felt like it had to be done by a divine thing. I don't know how to explain it, but it felt like I actually did have a personal relationship with God. Maybe from your point of view, I am just a scared boy that's to afraid to think for himself or leave his "cult". Me personally I really do want to believe in something divine, but not like a fairy tale. I want proof of what I believe to be true and not harmful to the world. I do believe the historical jesus existed, the main problem for me is that I simply can't grasp worshipping a God that commits so much hateful thing, mainly in the old testament. Almost like marcionism. And I gave up talking to christian sources for answer because they're not helpful when I look at them critically. Another reason why I guess I still wanna believe I because I'm scared of dieing and it. Yeah I know that's pretty lame but yeah. I do look at thinks critically and take the facts away from religious biasness, and to be honest, since I look into a lot of scholars like Dan and Bart Erhman, I would say I know a lot more about Christianity and the bible, than most regular christians today. Anywags I would be interested in listening to what religious scholars have to say. Sorry for venting all this information to you hahaha, I kinda just wanted to talk to someone
@Philliams Жыл бұрын
If that content creator wanted to be honest with himself he should try this same thing with any other religion. I think he'll find equal, if not more, historical and archeological support for all major religions of the world. But we know that isn't his intention. Creators like that are not looking to inform or be informed, they are simply trying to convince others and themselves that his beliefs are right.
@scambammer6102 Жыл бұрын
"The bible" is about 100 different books written by at least dozens of different individuals over a period of some 900 years. Those different books widely disagree with each other, so it is nonsensical to even ask whether "the bible" is true. Some of it is, most of it isn't.
@AurorXZ Жыл бұрын
How are you defining "book" here?
@scambammer6102 Жыл бұрын
@@AurorXZ good question. I am going by authorship, so Genesis is at least 2 books, Job at least 2 books, Daniel at least 2 books, Isaiah maybe 3, etc. Then there's the Ethiopian bible with several extra "books". Even what counts as a "book" isn't clear lol.
@emptyhand777 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't anyone tell Josephus about that time the tombs opened up and the dead wandered around Jerusalem? Or the time the tapestry in the Temple tore 8n two? Or the earthquake before the zombie parade? Or the three hours of darkness? Or the time Pontius Pilot let that murderer Barabbas go free because an Emperor appointed governor with his own legion "feared the Jews"?
@bobsmith-hd2zr Жыл бұрын
I think the zombies thing is enough.
@deviouskris3012 Жыл бұрын
@@bobsmith-hd2zragreed. A city going full walking dead is something I don’t think would lightly brushed aside at story time.
@Highspergamy9 ай бұрын
It was probably referring to heretics that had been banished crashing the party.
@alhecjo Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video, but had a hard time with it because I usually just listen to them while working.
@adammcinnes5615 Жыл бұрын
I have seen a chart like that most often used in accompanying lists of contradictions found in the Bible that was prepared by The Reason Project.
@johna1427 Жыл бұрын
Based on how the initial question is phrased, I’m thinking this creator might have some intellectual bias 😂
@bodinepennymiser Жыл бұрын
I love the daily super hero T-shirts. Yes, I am also a big fan of the video content.
@alexmcd378 Жыл бұрын
With gullibility like that, I've got a few holy relics I could sell this guy. 😂
@villageroadgranite Жыл бұрын
Do ancient Near Eastern scholars have groupies? I genuinely appreciate and admire the work that you're doing. You are what the elders would call "a class act". Keep on keepin' on. -JRL - a fan
@LesCish Жыл бұрын
When will believers give up attempts to prove a set of stories, dogma, beliefs whose central and necessary tenet is faith? BTW, Spawn was a great under-appreciated movie. Great T-shirt.
@originaljudosquash Жыл бұрын
As I continue to examine this very thing, I think more and more that it is a very early (maybe the first) thematic collection of short stories using the names, locations, and circumstances of the period. Written in such a way that creates the feeling that it could very much be the record of something that actually happened. A modern, well known example would be The DaVinci Code. It wasn't entirely accurate, but used many real world references that made it feel like it was a true story. Then again, maybe I'm off the mark on this one and it's just a wild thought.
@avi8r66 Жыл бұрын
The dead sea scrolls really only show that these stories and writings existed during that time period. They do not confirm that the stories they contain actually happened. It would be like finding a pile of writing notes and first drafts from the harry potter series. It doesn't make the story any more true than it already is (it's fiction, if that was unclear). And Josephus doesn't confirm any of this either, the closest he got was describing what christians believe, not whether the events they claimed happened, like the resurrection, actually happened. Essentially it would be like me writing that flat earthers believe the earth is flat. I am not confirming that the earth is flat, I am simply documenting this group exists and this is what they believe. Josephus' writings was on that level.
@DeetotheDubs Жыл бұрын
There's a nice little bit of irony in slapping down religious claims while in Spawn gear, as if teaming up with the guy that took demonic powers and now fights evil to take down a different evil that would call Al evil, despite being so good he'd go against the personification of evil. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
@WellFedSheep Жыл бұрын
The reason those connections are seen as evidence by those that believe it is the word of God is exactly the thing Dan mentions about them being the product of research done with the completed text and not something the ancient authors did intentionally. Remember the bible has dozens of authors over thousands of the year and yet today 2,000 years after it was written we find connections between different dispensations of doctrine within the bible that their own people and culture did not understand and yet today with the completed text we can see how it all fits together with mind boggling complexity that is not possible if the bible was simply the product of changing religious narratives. Additionally there are many instances of supernatural information in the bible that would be impossible for the authors to have written with their current understanding of the world. The main type of this information is of course prophecy which has no explanation beyond divine intervention.
@joman388 Жыл бұрын
Very much agreed,let Dan explain this; You tube video "Christ the wealthy waiting husband" take a hour and watch, Criticing Gods word has eternal sore implications,especially when the criticisms are largely false. thanks
@lenthederanged Жыл бұрын
Using the dude's logic, Metal Gear Solid historically happened.
@TabbyQ.9563 Жыл бұрын
Will people of the future believe animals could speak, especially English? With so many examples in cinema, it must be true. Disney alone presents many examples.
@svezhiepyatki Жыл бұрын
My guess is that the chart of cross-references is there to suggests that it's one cohesive narrative?.. I don't know, it's not that impressive to me either.
@deviouskris3012 Жыл бұрын
With the irony that Peter and Paul used the word faith in utterly different contexts.
@michaelstanet7453 Жыл бұрын
Two things that are real. 1. The One Piece (Whitebeard credible attested to this) 2. The Dunning-Kruger effect on display in the original video
@Julian0101 Жыл бұрын
If the one piece is not real, why did Gol D roger died for? checkmate apiecist
@plattbagarn Жыл бұрын
@@Julian0101Roger was sick and already dying. He did not have to give his life for a lie! The One Piece is real!
@michaelstanet7453 Жыл бұрын
@@plattbagarn The only god I believe in is God D. Ussop.
@michaelstanet7453 Жыл бұрын
@@Julian0101 The existence of the One Piece is multiple attested in the poneglyphs. The bounties from the world government on the pirates seeking the One Piece is enemy attestation that it is real. Also if it is not real explain how Roronoa Zoro a well documented pirate hunter and enemy of the pirates, choose to join the straw hats to help Luffy become King of the Pirates. And for good measure 2 completely independent witness both Monkey D. Luffy and Monkey D. Lucy attest, at the risk of being hunted by the Marines, that the One Piece is real. And if Dan is not a One Piece fan this comment section is going to be really confusing to him.
@rainbowkrampus Жыл бұрын
@@Julian0101 "apiecist" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@billcook4768 Жыл бұрын
Every time another copy of Amazing Fantasy #15 turns up, it’s that much more proof that Spider-Man is factually true.
@nasonguy Жыл бұрын
Bro we even have external eye witnesses to support The Amazing Spider Man! I'm one of them! I've seen New York with my own eyes!
@thebolas000 Жыл бұрын
@@nasonguyIt was really sad when the church split between the Amazing Spider-manists and the Spectacular Spider-manists.
@nasonguy Жыл бұрын
@@thebolas000 Toby Maguire is the one true Spider-man. I can't be convinced otherwise.
@greymatter77 Жыл бұрын
@@nasonguy So you haven't heard the good word of Animated Spider-Man? It is foretold that on day the voice of Christopher Daniel Barnes will rise to fame again. I used to have some golden tablets that proved Animated Spider-Man was real. I kept them inside my comic book reading hat only for me to see, of course. The angel Stanleeicus revealed their whereabouts to me in a vision. Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced them. Hate it when that happens, but trust me bro.
@BlackDeath920 Жыл бұрын
The flood story lost credibility imo when i read the epic of gilgamesh.
@studiooriginals5 ай бұрын
When did steve-o get so quiet?
@MrDuncanGilbert Жыл бұрын
What sort of answer to the original question would you feel comfortable with?
@ShallowCreation911 Жыл бұрын
So I have a problem with the last argument. You imply that stories such as the Epic of Gilgamesh helped inspire the Biblical stories but here's the thing scholars never mention when they mention similar stories from the ancient Near East, the *whole world* shared similar stories. The scholars/critics who do mention argue for syncretism. The problem? We have ancient Indian petroglyphs from Spirit mountain which *predates* the arrival of the Europeans of the Europeans and these petroglyphs tell a story quite similar to the Bible. So it's not a bad argument, but when looked at when regarding the entire world?? There are going to be issues with many of the assumptions put out by critics and scholars. Most of these stories are flood stories, although you'll find other similar creation stories like the Hawaiian god Kāne creating the first man from mud and sending a flood after humanity due to anger of their actions. EDIT: I definitely could've worded and said that a whole lot better but you catch the drift.
@animegtrailer5208 Жыл бұрын
Are you a Christian?
@ShallowCreation911 Жыл бұрын
@@animegtrailer5208 I believe in the Biblical God but I wouldn't say I'm a Christian as I'd be a hypocrite. Christians don't die off fentanyl.
@animegtrailer5208 Жыл бұрын
@@ShallowCreation911 Do u believe in the biblical God because you want to or your actual sure the evidence point to his existence Because what Dan is saying is not wrong. There are evidence that shows the epic of gilgamesh predates the bible and the bible borrow some of its inspirations from it.
@ShallowCreation911 Жыл бұрын
@@animegtrailer5208 Gee, I wonder, does Noah predate the Bible? YES! In fact, he'd predate the Epic of Gilgamesh as well. It's not that I'm saying Dan is wrong, I'm saying I find it highly unlikely whenever we're simply not talking about the ancient Near East but the *entire world.* Also, I'm not a YEC, but I know the things that no scholar (regardless of belief) or critic can answer to. Why do I believe it to be true? Because we're talking about factors here my friend. How did the Bible practically outsmart the Greeks and Aristotle on scientific facts? The Greeks believed that all river water came from a giant subterranean lake. Modern science disagrees but it agrees with Ecclesiastes 1:7. In his book called 'Meteorology' (book 2) Aristotle tries arguing that there are no springs in the sea due to the sea being still and not flowing like rivers do. A discovery in 1970 A.D. confirmed that there are springs in the sea. Meaning the Bible was right and Aristotle was wrong.
@ShallowCreation911 Жыл бұрын
@@animegtrailer5208 But as said, if the Bible burrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh then how did the rest of the world manage to do the same thing??
@paulbrandel598010 ай бұрын
I have to laugh at theists who say I believe in Jesus but not the Bible. Or almost as silly is ok the Old Testament has problems, but I just believe in the New Testament😅😅
@samueltaylor2757 Жыл бұрын
Is this channel a document of a his journey from Mormonism to atheism? I find it confusing, for a man with a faith he focuses an awful lot on what he doesn’t believe. It would be interesting to here what he does believe because I don’t think you can present data comply removed from dogma
@OldMotherLogo3 ай бұрын
Dan is not an atheist, he is still an active member of his church. This channel is about Bible history, textual criticism, and countering misinformation. Dan keeps theology and belief out of it. And yes, you absolutely can keep dogma out of it. Keep watching the channel. If you want longer episodes, watch his channel Data Over Dogma.
@tos100returns Жыл бұрын
Superstitious mythology is fun.
@markofsaltburn Жыл бұрын
Boom! 👍🏼
@angreehulk Жыл бұрын
🤘
@dennisjohnson8967 Жыл бұрын
Jeez Dan! Why do you have to be such a buzz kill and shoot down all these peoples nonsense
@er-jc9wj Жыл бұрын
Let’s see him go against someone that’s not on tik tok!! Most of his videos are clickbait garbage responding to people who know nothing about the Bible!!! How about he debates an actual scholar for once!!
@conEso916 Жыл бұрын
The fact that this man turned away from the faith and keeps his mind on the Bible and all of his KZfaq time. Let you know that God exists and is living in his head. And most of the mockers everything in the Bible is revealing itself and everything will open up soon enough. This guy will have these Puppetd on a String straight down the tube.
@tesladrew2608 Жыл бұрын
Lol so that means that everyone that studies mythology believes it?
@conEso916 Жыл бұрын
@@tesladrew2608 The Bible is not mythology. These are texts that were left for people many many years ago. Mythology is just that since you want to live off of science, scientist will tell you that the Bible has more merit than mythology. Smh
@tesladrew2608 Жыл бұрын
@@conEso916 I wasn't talking about the bible. But even still, parts of the bible are arguably mythology.
@conEso916 Жыл бұрын
@@tesladrew2608 No, they're not mythology. If they were written many years ago, you don't understand again, I laugh at at you scoffers and atheist 🤦🏽 You see something for instance. Daniel 7:4-6 King James Version 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. You wouldn't even be able to discern this because you're simple mind thinks of what is this mythology 🤦🏽 or some imaginary things instead of understanding it from spirit to actually life. I could give you something to go look at that will show you what this actually is but I won't because you guys are liar's and it will reveal itself
@mickeydecurious11 ай бұрын
Now that's awful funny Christians quoting a queer King who murdered his mother😢 And I hate to tell you the New testament is Greek mythology and then read the New testament and you'll see Jesus is Dionysus only repackage Drake down to the miracle of turning water into wine at a party just like the Lord Dionysus did 🤷 And mainstream scientists don't say the Bible's accurate or has any real value, not even psychiatrist will say the Bible has any real value; in fact the only ones finding value in the Bible a ones who want to sleep with children, demonize woman, and murder gays🤔 I've read the book in its entirety, how many Christians can say that 🤔
@chuckbecker4983 Жыл бұрын
Dear Dan, Suppose you are 100% correct in everything you state. Stipulated. Question: what possible difference does it make, other than to make small-time nobodies (who you don't debate but merely comment on) look foolish, or at least wrong? I'm truly curious: what is your point?
@juanausensi499 Жыл бұрын
Saving people from superstition is a encomiable endeavour.
@jaojao1768 Жыл бұрын
@@juanausensi499 Definitely (but I think you just invented the word 'encomiable' for English!)
@juanausensi499 Жыл бұрын
@@jaojao1768 Oh, you're right. I meant 'commendable'. English is not my first language. :(
@hive_indicator3188 ай бұрын
Debunking misinformation is good, no matter how popular the particular source.
@OldMotherLogo3 ай бұрын
Dan brings Bible scholarship to a lay audience and counters misinformation. Both are worthwhile pursuits.
@thundercatt5265 Жыл бұрын
It has truth in it,but it is confounded as mankind's language was confounded , Revelations 10 , that mighty angel is Enki,in his hand is the original account of the days of ATLANTIS and how mankind was created,it what the bible was copied from, the bible is not the absolute truth
@billcook4768 Жыл бұрын
Patrick Duffy is living proof that Atlantis was real.
@residuejunkie4321 Жыл бұрын
Amen! 😇 *Did you memorize the short prayer Jesus told us to pray? I did when I was just a boy in school and here it is.* *"Our Father **_who_** art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be done **_on_** earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our **_trespasses_** as we forgive those who **_trespass_** against us. And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory for ever amen."* *Those words are no longer printed in any translation of the bible on earth! The words "who, on, trespasses and trespass" have been **_magically_** changed to "which, in, debts and debtors"!* *There are many more changes in the Bible too and here's why!* Amos 8:11 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:” Amos 8:12 “And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, _(it was south),_ they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.” *The first verse has already been fulfilled but the second one hasn't (yet). But they keep saying that the lights are going to go out which will instantly fulfill it.* *Type in PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE with your Bible open and receive an unimaginable strengthening of faith when you see proof of the supernatural fulfillment of prophecy and how close we are to our Savior's return!* *God bless you all!!!* ❤✝️💪 *P.S. After people have taken all of the required 💉's, they will apply a quantum dot invisible tattoo to their head or hand, but anyone who has had just one has a bluetooth mac # that can be read by any smart phone and when you walk through the deal at an airport they know if you have it. The no buying or selling is happening incrementally and will be complete when cash is abolished and worship can be defined as "to fear, obey and trust in someone or something" which is what they are doing with the Beast System and the Image of the Beast, (NWO and TV!). Yes, this absolutely is it, and if you write me at the address on my about page I'll send you 15 **_shocking_** films that will PROVE it to anyone who has the courage to watch them.*