With respect to Emma - but immediately after I heard her sing the first line - I knew I wouldn't like the movie. Who ever decided the auto tune would sound better - made the mistake.
@bobbytate99072 жыл бұрын
03:34 "Emma can do no wrong..." ...Yes. Yes, she can.
@ShanRees2 жыл бұрын
They hired Emma as box office draw and I don't think her singing ability had much to do with casting her. Maybe the idea was that her fans would come to see *her* and they wouldn't be too concerned about her singing. Autotune is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
@cacvpc2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but they dubbed other great actresses (The King & I, My Fair Lady, West Side Story (all dubbed with the same singer, btw, the great Marni Nixon))... even actors and actresses who COULD sing and were trained, when they were very clearly chosen for their name and not their voice. They wanted big names with amazing acting AND amazing singing... not just one or the other.
@ShanRees2 жыл бұрын
@@cacvpc Agreed. The studios very carefully crafted stars images. A star couldn't have any imperfections - and that included vocal ability. If they couldn't sing, their singing voice wasn't suitable for their image or strong enough they dubbed them. Rita Haworth (for example) had to look like Rita Hayworth, act and behave a certain way and sing they way the studio thought Rita Hayworth should sound to maintain that image. There were three or four major dub performers - both for men and women and they were so fantastic there performances were pretty close to perfect.
@writerinprogress2 жыл бұрын
There's a world of difference between an *actor* singing and a *trained singer* singing. I learned this during my Performing Arts course; at the start, my singing teacher told me I was hitting all the notes the way I should, but I wasn't 'giving' anything emotionally in what I was singing. It took me a while, and a lot of vocal coaching, to learn how to properly do that; to 'feel' the words I was singing in a way that I could express vocally, with things like you mentioned, Phil, like breathiness, knowing when to use head voice and chest voice, when to put in the 'cry,' etc. And, unfortunately, autotune is the equivalent of formalehyde on the corpse of an untrained actor-voice - i.e. it might stop it decomposing, but it won't make it sound any less dead.
@kaworunagisa40092 жыл бұрын
Lol, nice analogy. Also, formaldehyde is highly toxic and a known carcinogen, which also fits into the metaphor.
@rambi10722 жыл бұрын
You must be a trained analogy maker
@maisiesummers422 жыл бұрын
It's not just actor vs trained singer. They do train the actors to sing. The problem is, that training is maybe six months, and they're being trained on the songs they're going to sing. The actor then only knows those songs, and hasn't built any of the range or experience necessary to fill out the song and give it that musical sound that it needs.
@willowbark56492 жыл бұрын
Haha..that is the best analogy I've ever heard. Going to try and memorize it, and fit it into a normal conversation, lol..hope you don't mind... I'll start by saying, " A great woman once said...
@nevarmaor2 жыл бұрын
The difference between the two is so gratingly obvious. Autotune makes the singer sound computerized and mechanical, and reminds me of that Cher song that started all this.
@marbleman522 жыл бұрын
The auto-tuned version of 2017 sounds almost amateurish compared to the natural voices of 1991. And the pity is that so many people; especially the young people, are being raised and conditioned to accept the auto-tuned vocals as the norm because they have not been exposed to the great vocalists of the pre auto-tune years and hearing the huge difference. Sad...really sad.
@oldtimer11022 жыл бұрын
As a classically trained vocalist and self taught guitarist your vocal technique explanations on this video are much more important in my point of view than the auto tune examples. Well done sir.
@EbonyPope2 жыл бұрын
Take a look at his video with Pavarotti. It's excellent. Or have you already seen it?
@oldtimer11022 жыл бұрын
@@EbonyPope Have not seen that one yet. Still working through past videos. Thanks for the heads up. I am a Pavarotti fan.
@EbonyPope2 жыл бұрын
@@oldtimer1102 Yeah take a look. He took a warmup exercise from Pavarotti as an example.
@SveinOlavGlesaaenNyberg2 жыл бұрын
@@EbonyPope !!!! Link?
@EbonyPope2 жыл бұрын
@@SveinOlavGlesaaenNyberg Look through his channel dude. You'll find it. I have no link.
@deborahl97362 жыл бұрын
To me auto tune always sounds like someone singing into their McDonald's soda cup. If Disney really wanted Emma in that role they should have sprung for the voice training to complete the whole package.
@TheFtm222 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of an interview done with Idina Menzel when "Let It Go" became so popular. She was asked what it was like to be an overnight success. She said "I don't know - I've singing on Broadway for 20 years." Point being - they used to hire actors and actresses then DUB them with singers. Example - in Mulan, B.D. Wong was the speaking voice of Shang and Donny Osmond was the singing voice. If you can't do both, then it's the film's responsibility to do a good job. Appreciating all these so much! ETA - yes, Luke Evans began his career on the stage in the West End of London.
@lynndow31852 жыл бұрын
It is still just cracking me up that I get an advertisement for "Auto-Tune Unlimited" now every single time before one of these recent videos! It's even on SALE today! Okay, I'm settling down to listen. Cheers!
@dagmar.69542 жыл бұрын
Me too. Very funny!
@lynndow31852 жыл бұрын
@@brianwhittington5086 Those are annoying, but the ones that show up right in the MIDDLE of a KZfaq music video drive me crazy.
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
😂
@lynndow31852 жыл бұрын
@@brianwhittington5086 Oh no! That's merciless!
@garyguyton73732 жыл бұрын
Ad blockers work well. Get one.
@kate81362 жыл бұрын
There would have been no shame in having Emma’s voice dubbed by a professional. She got the job because she can act and she’s beautiful. The amount of auto tune applied to her voice in this film made it a cringe-fest to listen to. I would rather have heard her natural voice even if she hit a flat note now and then, rather than this robotic disaster. Emma deserved better.
@TheMaxbrooks2 жыл бұрын
Yep, Paige is still knocking about, get her to 'assist'.
@colalightyear78592 жыл бұрын
I thought actors do get singing lessons, dont they? Ok perhaps she never took acting classes
@Angel-rq3pi2 жыл бұрын
In classic cinema that was a tried and true method.... Leslie Caron in Gigi, Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, among others were all dubbed by the late great Marnie Nixon
@Gainn2 жыл бұрын
"She can act" Am doubt.
@MadameCorgi2 жыл бұрын
Or they could have just cast a singer
@barbarapoirier88352 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. What a difference with the autotune, and not in a good way. I am surprised for the live action they didn’t have someone else sing it and Emma being overdubbed. Even before all this technology they used to do that. Marni Nixon did the vocals for “My Fair Lady” and “West Side Story” for example and it never took anything away from the soundtrack and movies.
@MentaIPatient2 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right that auto-tune, pitch correction is taking away a singers individual vocal personally or character that makes them unique and that you like to hear. I understand it has a purpose, but using it on every note of every song of every vocalist, just takes away from what makes a song unique. Thanks again my friend. You do great things and it's greatly appreciated.
@marbleman522 жыл бұрын
Feels Good Man...You said it very well and spoke a key point: "...auto-tune, pitch correction is taking away a singer's INDIVIDUAL VOCAL PERSONALITY..." Bravo....yes, it is a great singer's own unique vocal "personality" and warmth and their own emotions that they bring to a song that makes them unique and identifiable. When I hear a great pre-auto-tune singer, I am listening and interacting with the vocals with my emotions and everything in my life's experiences. Auto-tune does a good job at sterilizing that interaction.
@Angel-rq3pi2 жыл бұрын
Thats why I LOATHE "Celtic Women".... To my ear, they are all inter-changeable... Due to AUTO-TUNE. grrrrrrr They ALL sound alike. Ackkkk
@emjai21222 жыл бұрын
My guess is that audio engineers who over-autotune or over-pitch-correct are instrumentalists NOT trained singers. I studied in a NYC conservatory for operatic performance, and with singers who were long term principals at the Met. One lesson was very clear: When you are trained well-enough, you start PURPOSELY singing slightly sharp or flat for inflection, for emoting, to create tension, to show excitement, to display despair, etc. Vocalists are not meant to sing every note (all the time) perfectly. I don’t know why instrumentalists try to apply what works for things made out of dead matter to an instrument made up of living/organic tissue. 🤷🏻♂️
@BlahBleeBlahBlah2 жыл бұрын
I adore Paige O’Hara’s performance, way back in 1991 I was 6 and listened to this soundtrack over and over. I haven’t seen the 2017 remake but I don’t think I could sit through it tbh. I’ve always had an ear for auto tune - thank your for making the broader public aware of this, and point out why it sounds the way it does. I’m very disappointed in Disney’s blatant cash-grabs with the remakes over the last few years. They should have had a ghost singer perform the musical numbers…
@ingloriousbetch430210 ай бұрын
Right? Just hire an actual, trained singer and make sure to credit them. I know they used to try and keep it as secret as possible, but I never saw the point. Not everyone is a good singer. I can't carry a tune in a bucket, personally.
@buixrule2 жыл бұрын
Boy when you look at these comparisons it's easy to see why all human emotion, feeling and vulnerability is void from auto tuned voices. I'm not even a trained singer and it's as obvious as the hand in front of my face.
@jamesk.bishop1052 жыл бұрын
That's a great point about the misstep of snapping an untrained singer perfectly on the line. I enjoy your vocal analysis videos very much.
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mattmckeon16882 жыл бұрын
It's really glaring on those big interval jumps, which are hard for singers to nail, and you can see in the uncorrected version that she approaches a note from above or below and kind of rounds into it. Emma skips from note to note like they are keys on a piano rather than, say, a wind instrument or violin where there is a bit of natural portamento.
@doxiemomma82072 жыл бұрын
Paige O'Hara's vocals from the 1991 version is still the best 🌹
@barbara8320012 жыл бұрын
I love the warmth in Paige O'hara's voice. Emma Watson's sounds mechanical, especially in comparison.
@markr.denison97682 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this video on KZfaq. I shared it with my Advanced Music Theory class and it created a pretty lively and insightful discussion. They really appreciated being able to see the pitches laid out on the graph and the side-by-side comparisons you make! That is so amazing to observe! Side note: one of the pitfalls of pitch correction that I pointed out to my students with music software that, as you say, snaps the pitch to a given (fixed) frequency, and the fact that it does NOT allow the slight fluctuations in pitch (going slightly sharp or flat) is significant in another way besides artistic expression. These fluctuations also serve the very real musical purpose of leaning into a harmonic resolution. In other words, an "A" that functions as a leading tone to a "Bb" tonic note is often (and should be) just a little higher than a proper "A" (440 Hz) because it helps resolve the leading tone to the tonic. The ear doesn't necessarily worry that that note is X amount of pennies sharp or whatever. It just hears the note lean into the resolution, and the subsequent pleasure of dissonance resolving to consonance. But that half step (semitone) should be smaller by just a bit than the equally tempered half step (semitone) in order to lean harder into the resolution. Thanks again for allowing us to use your video as a very important teaching tool for my music students.
@juliannewarren54662 жыл бұрын
As a guitarist and a singer in the rock music, Fil can pull off a Disney princess' vocals as well. :-D
@pxxxbxxx19812 жыл бұрын
I normally can't hear the autotune but sure did with this. This was almost to the degree of Cher's deliberate computer sound in Do You Believe in Life After Love.
@TheChefLady4JC2 жыл бұрын
Just one more reason why I loathe the 2017 version of B&theB. The 1991 version just can't be beat. Thanks bunches for this analysis! You've outdone yourself once again! You rock!! ☄
@melodiejones71002 жыл бұрын
Luke Evans does have a great voice. As you pointed out he is a trained singer and he has done a lot of musical theater. Thanks, Fil!
@jerrykco11 ай бұрын
The original B&B was so much better than the remake. Thanks for a great video!
@dagmar.69542 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this series on auto tuning. I have learned a lot. Now I understand why so much of today's music doesn't sound right to my ears. I guess I was spoiled listening to the great classic music from the 60's-70's.
@marbleman522 жыл бұрын
Dagmar S....Yes, and even decades earlier with the great musicals and live theatre. I was a kid in the 50's with my mother taking me to see the great Rogers & Hammerstein musicals of Oklahoma, South Pacific, Carousel and having the albums that I would spend hours listening to and singing along with at home. And then Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story, and then so many other great musicals. And all done without auto-tune. And yes, some of the leading ladies & men had their voices dubbed ( perhaps some needed but some not needed; it was just a bad habit that Hollywood got caught up into doing ), but dubbed is still a natural voice. Absolutely, Dagmar...what a nice way to get spoiled!!
@dagmar.69542 жыл бұрын
@@marbleman52 Wasn't just referring to musicals from the past but also to classic rock.
@marbleman522 жыл бұрын
@@dagmar.6954 Oh, I agree with that too; I wasn't meaning to exclude any other of the great music from those earlier years. I just got focused on the musicals...sorry. I turned 21 in 1973, so I was at a great age to have so much of my early adult life surrounded with so many fantastic bands and solo artists whose music has well earned the title of "Classic". I had a very nice component system back then and to really listen to the great bands on a real good turntable and good speakers ( head-phones too), was like being in the studio with them; you hear things that just do not come through the radio.
@xxjuiciixx2 жыл бұрын
Hiring Emma was a PR decision, not an artistic decision.
@itwsntme2 жыл бұрын
In the old cartoons they often had three artists working on a single character, the animator, the actor (for when speaking) and the singer. Now they have to merge it all into a single person and no way they would admit she can't quite sing. On the other hand, autotune is how music sounds to new generations. All of this just made me appreciate Paige's amazing performance more.
@urasam22 жыл бұрын
Fil, you should get an award for this series. I don’t know what award, but an award. Plus, you should be on national television presenting this stuff.
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Me041202 жыл бұрын
The part where it's like "Every Morning just the same", she's expressing a level of frustration in the song, and the "same" word starts closer to on pitch, but ends flatter as the phrase ends, and it sounds good. Like the dip in the pitch seems intentional and juxtaposed against the key coming through in the instrumental, it portays the emotion correctly as intended. You wouldn't want to be spot on the note.
@cruzdirector86372 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating, I’m actually starting to hear autotune in songs now. You’re an excellent teacher and i love your music. 💗 Great point about actors expected to sing or just miscast. Case in point, Gerald Butler in Phantom of the Opera. Fine actor (“300”, “Dear Frankie”) but not a great singer.
@giannis_tar2 жыл бұрын
I think his singing was pretty decent
@ingloriousbetch430210 ай бұрын
His singing was actually pretty good. It fit the roll very well. Was he fit to stand with Pavarotti? No. But it was perfect for the style of remake. He also sang in some other movies.
@SilhouetteSE2 жыл бұрын
I'm totally addicted to the way you explain things through the use of your own voice 👍 You're pure joy to listen to! 💖🎸
@jevinday2 жыл бұрын
Your voice is incredible Fil. I've always been really impressed with your vibrato when listening to your music, now I'm even more impressed after hearing your philosophies and your willingness to just belt it out. I'm really liking these auto tune videos you've been doing, and I like how you critiqued Emma while being respectful and acknowledging that this isn't a video to shit on her or something like other people with less taste may have done.
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@avlisk2 жыл бұрын
We all might have fun with Paint Your Wagon (1969) with Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood singing.
@avlisk2 жыл бұрын
I use antlers in all of my decorating!
@marthawelch42892 жыл бұрын
There is no fun to be had with Lee or Clint in the stupendously awful Paint Your Wagon.
@Moonflowers112 жыл бұрын
@@marthawelch4289 Why do u say that?
@marthawelch42892 жыл бұрын
@@Moonflowers11 Hi, Liz! I usually love musicals. I think the musical highlights of my life were the stage versions of Camelot with Richard Burton, The King and I with Yul Brynner, and Phantom of the Opera with Michael Crawford. In 1969, when I was 15, I did not see the movie musical, Paint Your Wagon. As I remember, it was not "Mom-approved", one reason being the existence of a song called "They Call the Wind Mariah" which was my mother's absolute least favorite song EVER. Why? I don't know. She was very affected by music and could cry or get angry or be super happy after just a few notes. Decades later Paint Your Wagon was on TV, TCM I believe. My then-husband was out of town so I controlled the remote and started watching. The "bigness" of the movie screen version's western panoramas was lost on TV. In so far as the stars of the movie, I am generally a fan of Lee Marvin and a very selective fan of Clint Eastwood. Jean Seburg was known to me through her French movie appearances and Harve Presnell had starred with the Energizer Bunny, the extremely vivacious Debbie Reynolds, in a good stage presentation of Annie Get Your Gun that I had attended with my parents. Other than Presnell, the major stars of the movie were not known as singers. For me, the lack of people who could really sing (Lee and Clint) was a minus as they grunted out the lyrics and tried to find the notes. The songs themselves were not memorable. The plot dealt with a novel idea for a musical - Jean "loved" both Lee and Clint, sharing time with them (that's probably why my mom nixed my seeing the movie in 1969). Josh Logan directed and gave it his "South Pacific" MOVIE effort - that movie being a not big success when it came out, unlike his stage version. Paint's scenes seemed cobbled together; Lee seemed truly drunk; Clint seemed to be wondering how to get back to Italy and do another spaghetti Western and not have to sing "I Talk to the Trees"; Jean seemed to be hoping to have the movie end (she later committed suicide); to this day I agree with my mom on "Mariah"; and I multiplexed my watching time by playing with the cats, fixing a snack, eating a snack, etc. Unfortunately, for me the movie doesn't fall into the categories of guilty pleasure, so bad it's good, interesting time piece, good songs in a bad movie, great dancing, worth watching one more time to see if I missed something. It's just bad. Absolutely no fun - not even laughable. But taste is very individualistic and other people may love this movie for some reason. Here are two other musical movies that I would put in the trash bin - Phantom of the Opera and Les Miserables. Gerard Butler was a good looking guy and I thought he might have a good career. But why would anyone cast someone who was a very mediocre singer in a movie that had a stage star of phenomenal talent (Michael Crawford)? And how did Michael go from a goofy young man who was in some not great musicals to the Phantom - an ugly, crude monster whose voice rang the rafters while he conveyed love and sexiness (yes!) for his muse and changed into a man who showed love by releasing the woman he loved to someone else? It was the best performance and the best presentation I have ever seen in my 67 years. Les Miz, the movie that made me miserable and seemed to go on for DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS. How does anyone change a handsome man like Hugh into a guy who looks like Woody Allen? And why so many closeups? Why so much nasal discharge? Once again, others may love these films. That gives them more to watch on Saturday nights. Liz, if you are still reading this, I salute you. My disability gives me too much time these days. May you have a wonderful life enjoying music and movies!
@marbleman522 жыл бұрын
@@marthawelch4289 Oh, but I respectfully and strongly disagree on both points ! I think Paint Your Wagon was a gloriously sarcastic and fun movie that went against the grain of Hollywood Western movies and against the typical musical that had, hopefully, great singers for the leads. Having Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood do their own singing and not trying to really sing good, made it even that much more fun. I actually thought that Lee Marvin did great with his song " I Was Born Under a Wand'ring Star". One does not expect a rough & tumble gold miner to be a trained singer, and Marvin did not disappoint. Actually, he was on key well enough for most of the song, just a rough & scratchy on key. I felt that this crusty and unpolished miner really let his unsuccessful life come through in the song. And with Lee and Clint married to the same woman...OH MY...!! Hollywood really rocked the mainstream boat with Paint Your Wagon...bravo for making this crazy funny movie.
@VillainsVindication2 жыл бұрын
Disney did Emma so dirty. There is no way Emma couldn’t sing to the point that a top level vocal coach couldn’t have taught her to sing. Disney has all the money in the world to afford the best lessons and invest the best resources for the remake of one of their most classic works, but instead they do this? Makes zero sense.
@joetheman742 жыл бұрын
Disney used to be a company that was huge but small enough that they cultivated their own talent. They had THEIR DISNEY STARS that were known for being Disney stars. Disney would invest in them from a young age and stick with them well into their adult career. Now they are just another huge conglomerate swallowing up IP after IP, studio after studio and have become a soulless corporate machine where she was just another dime a dozen in their eyes. To such a corporation EVERYTHING is disposable as long as they make their bottom line FATTER!
@jebatman7562 жыл бұрын
Yes but also, the same could be said of all singers signed by major record labels. It's a requirement that all vocals are auto tuned. It's ridiculous
@HawkOfGP2 жыл бұрын
Even when they are very capable singers! I don't know if they've managed to make the singers themselves believe that their performances are being improved by this. I guess it's possible. With time some people start to think that this is the way singing "should" sound. Or maybe people like the "effect"? And look, I understand there are times when you want to fix a bum note here and there. They used to do this even way before Autotune ever existed, just by adjusting the pitch manually. But running all the vocal performances through a pitch correcting software is frankly a joke.
@duckmyass2 жыл бұрын
That may be wishful thinking. I don't think there is any evidence that Emma can sing worth a flip and god knows some people are incapable of singing. You have only to watch some of those reality singing competitions to hear some singers that are clueless about pitch. If Emma happens to be one of those you could give her lesson until the cows come home and she would still not be able to pull it off. You also have to consider that for all we know Emma thinks she can sing and wouldn't even take lessons if you asked her to, never assume an actor is willing to accept criticism.
@wyssmaster2 жыл бұрын
It would cost a lot more time and money to have her coached rather than just having a guy in a studio "fix" everything.
@TomHendricksMusea2 жыл бұрын
The earlier 1991 voice is so refreshing compared to the doctored one!
@drewpall25982 жыл бұрын
Another excellent one Fil... This remind me of the music "My Fair Lady" where Julie Andrew played Eliza Doolittle, in the 1956 Broadway version as you know can sing very well, where in the 1964 film Audrey Hepburn played Eliza Doolittle she gave an outstanding performance but not known as a singer her singing parts was dobbed in by Marni Nixon. thanks Fil
@lynndow31852 жыл бұрын
Marni Nixon also 'ghost sang' for Natalie Wood in "West Side Story". Both movies won Oscars for Best Picture.
@drewpall25982 жыл бұрын
@@lynndow3185 Hi Lynn... Marni Nixon could change her voice to sound close to the actress she was singing for.
@lynndow31852 жыл бұрын
@@drewpall2598 I didn't know that, but I just noticed it after I listened to a song from each of those films! Amazing! She sounded so similar to Audrey Hepburn especially.
@robertadams80942 жыл бұрын
Also Jimmy Bryant sang the parts for Richard Beymer in West Side Story .
@TheChefLady4JC2 жыл бұрын
Julie Andrews hadn't been in the movies prior to 1964. In that same year that My Fair Lady came out, she debuted in her very first movie role of Mary Poppins. Imagine what Mary Poppins would have been like without Julie Andrews alongside the great Dick Van Dyke?! The following year, 1965, she starred in her most beloved role of Maria Von Trapp in the Sound of Music. She's a legend!
@StacyStarStar2 жыл бұрын
Also YES, I am vocal coach and YES I wish they would hire trained singers for these movies!!!
@fromchomleystreet10 ай бұрын
They don’t necessarily have to be trained. They just have to be good singers, with a vocal range that encompasses the range of the songs they’re going to be asked to sing. There are plenty of great, professional, highly skilled singers with no formal training. Furthermore, there are roles and styles that are actually quite ill-suited to the typical sound of a highly trained musical theatre voice. The problem is casting non-singers, which happens because the ability to sing has fallen so low on the list of priorities when casting these roles (in part, because the people making the casting decisions falsely believe that any vocal shortcomings can be fixed in post)
@nightsampler2 жыл бұрын
Emma needs a Marni Nixon.
@nfpnone82482 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making me aware of why I hate a lot of singers today, subconsciously I’ve always been able to hear the auto tune, even though I didn’t know what I was hearing. I just knew I didn’t like it. I’m used to “The Music Man”, and I always wondered why I cling to those old movies and never warm up to today’s musicals. Now I know it’s auto tune!
@matiasfjeldmark2 жыл бұрын
Wow, sometimes autotune can be somewhat subtle, but not in this case. It sounds so metallic, so robotic. I think the classic Disney films are adored as musicals. The songs sound like they're actually sung by the characters in the scene. But when the music is so heavily overproduced (e.g., in terms of autotune among other things), you don't get the feeling that the characters are singing in the actual scene. You just don't develop the same connection to the characters. It is like a song put on top of the scene, rather than feeling it is performed right there.
@bramsrockhopper33772 жыл бұрын
My older daughter absolutely loved the 1991 version as a child, so I heard/watched that version literally hundreds of times. I loved it. So entertaining, on multiple levels. My younger daughter (a Harry Potter fan lol) finally convinced me to watch the new one with Emma. Oh my god. It was almost distressingly awful. So devoid of emotion. And the auto tune was like nails on a window. I found myself wanting to go back and listen to/watch the 1991 version like a palate cleanser. The greats are great ONLY because of natural greatness. You can’t manufacture that, you just can’t. Please, producers, stop doing this to us.
@darthlaurel2 жыл бұрын
I hate disney and autotune equally. So both a great deal.
@piplee14392 жыл бұрын
And Watson
@darthlaurel2 жыл бұрын
@@piplee1439 Amen.
@marilynsheffield6122 жыл бұрын
Wow Fil. Who would have known or should I say not the untrained ear which is me. It's taken me a while to get this pitch/auto tune down and understand what you say. However.... I hear it 👂and I see it 👀! Thank you Fil. ;)
@cromulentwords2 жыл бұрын
Sideways did a video in which he mentions that you can actually hear Paige O'Hara smile during her performance (the example was the line "But she won't discover that it's him till chapter three"). The 1991 film was incredibly vibrant, and it didn't matter that the actors weren't all A-list movie stars. But the remake cast Luke Evans and Josh Gad, who clearly know their way around a musical, proving that star power and singing ability are not mutually exclusive. Poor Emma Watson had the charisma of a paperweight in comparison. Don't force non-singers to sing. Nobody wins.
@kirkrock72852 жыл бұрын
Phil , great review. The 90’s mix, also has the person smiling whilst she sings. Emotions are translated through their mouth expression. 😊
@Shell64242 жыл бұрын
Trained singers should be cast, I agree, but I like Emma’s acting. The Rock sang in Moana so it’s about big names and not singing talent. Good honest analysis, Fil - auto tune is running rampant apparently.
@31Alden2 жыл бұрын
I’m learning so much! Much prefer un-FIL-tered singers. 😉 🎶
@samuelchan6992 жыл бұрын
Wow! Emma's isolated vocals sound so artificial. I found some videos with Emma singing without Auto Tune and she's not bad.... and she can beatbox. That was a really enlightening video. Thanks!
@snich632 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying your auto tune analyses Fil. I think you hit the nail on the head that auto tune is removing the humanity from performances. The human “imperfections” are what actually make it appealing to listen to.
@lindabillings8232 жыл бұрын
Loved the analysis. You are a great teacher. I always loved music but I appreciate the subtleties more . Thank you.
@AshYo2 жыл бұрын
When you talked about “full tones” vibrato I immediately thought of Judy Garland. I hadn’t know there were such nuances to how you can dissect vibrato. Fascinating!
@almostthere37332 жыл бұрын
OMG Fil! Your commentary made me instantly think of Universal's production of Mamma Mia, casting well known names like Meryl Streep and Pierce Brosnan, that aren't trained singers, INTO A MUSICAL! What a disaster especially Pierce, so awful it was the laugh track of the movie.
@aprilstarz2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant, Fil. This is my favorite of all your videos. Thanks for including Richard White! His voice blew mw away back in 1991.
@paulinecrystalline61252 жыл бұрын
I think the essence here is not that you can't Hear it; but, rather, that you cannot FEEL the voice. Sound carries healing energy.
@HALberdier172 жыл бұрын
I think if they wanted it to be a musical just hire singers. But if they did hire based on acting talent I think they should get a professional singer to dub over the actors.
@JasperJanssen2 жыл бұрын
I think they may believe that pitch correction makes it no longer necessary to have a trained singer to do singing - the “separate voice only for the songs” thing is not uncommon historically.
@Weaseldog20012 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen Right. The autotune plugin, is cheaper than an another employee.
@carr07602 жыл бұрын
The thing is...Broadway and West End performers are also phenomenal actors. There is no excuse for not casting someone qualified. Simply hire someone who does musical theatre and you will have both good vocals and good acting. Then your film will actually be good!
@JasperJanssen2 жыл бұрын
@@carr0760 and your film will also be a flop, because those actors are not even close to the kind of draw that Watson is. Star Power is still a thing.
@carr07602 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen I still believe that people would choose to see someone who is good over someone who is famous. We just have to give them the benefit of the doubt and stop dumbing things down. Plus, you'll make up sales from all of us who actually expect the music in a musical to be good, and thus don't watch when they go for fame over ability.
@captainKbobkeeshan2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone pointed this out. I love the fantastic vocal of Paige O'Hara. Emma's electronic, mechanical voice made that live movie unwatchable. I couldn't listen to anything she "sang". It was terrible.
@mkrd20002 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your comments around using a talking voice to sing. It highlights the nuance (e.g., %s of flipping between registers) applied by trained pros.
@kayden79112 жыл бұрын
Lol, I was singing along with Paige's vocals everytime you played them! Her performance of Belle's singing voice is now a classic. Her voice is beautiful.
@MaryEllen5052 жыл бұрын
According to IMDb, Luke Evans "won a scholarship to the London Studio Centre, and graduated in 2000" and "He starred in many of London's West End theatre productions." (It then goes on to list ten.)
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
Cool!
@gumbycat52262 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at Page's vibrato - it is generally around a tone wide AND seems to be pretty much on the line. Amazing performance.
@graphicmaterial59472 жыл бұрын
You keep saying you're not a trained singer. To me you seem to have very good control aswell as range. Don't sell yourself short, you sing quite beautifully! However, humility is always the trademark of professionals. So - I get it!
@carlswenson55382 жыл бұрын
For a bunch of Hollywood adaptions of B'Way shows the 'go to' singer was the fabulous Marni Nixon, the original dubbing Queen.
@dsugimoto3132 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best side-by-side presentation of what Auto-tune does to a voice. Not to take anything away from Emma Watson but it was so obvious. Rock!
@jw43212 жыл бұрын
Boom! Another wonderful analysis. Thanks Fil!
@GrafStorm2 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable vid Fil, thanks!
@WoodyGamesUK2 жыл бұрын
When he starts playing the 1991 version, you can see Phil's face with the little smile that says "I approve of that".
@kevystead2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even look at the graph.. as soon as you started the track I could hear it!😂 It really is a shame auto tune is relied on these days.. I have no problem with it being used, but use it as a tool, not a crutch. I love Paige's vocal for the original film but, there's really nothing like seeing the Live Musical.
@michelemercier22862 жыл бұрын
I never used to understand why I don't connect to the music being put out these days.When I first heard Adele I was puzzled because I liked her so much I ended up buying her albums, something I hadn't done in a long time. Due to videos like this (and the one you did of Adele's new song) I am beginning to understand. It seems that on some level I don't even realize, I recognize and don't like auto tune. Still, I can think of one time where I wish it had been used (or if it was, even that couldn't help) and that was Pierce Brosnan's err, "performance" of S.O.S. in the movie Mamma Mia. I'm a long time ABBA fan and that is one of my favorite songs, so his, I hesitate to use the word "singing" was just painful. Speaking of ABBA I have really enjoyed their new album - while that may be due to nostalgia, I suspect that it is also due to auto tune not being used. At least, my untrained ears are pretty sure it is not being used.
@chrisbennett62362 жыл бұрын
The biggest difference I'm hearing is that Paige sounds like she's walking around the village singing, interacting with the villagers and having fun. Emma sadly sounds like she's in an overpriced studio, trying to imagine the village.
@Gainn2 жыл бұрын
There's an emotional disconnect that is only made worse by the manipulation.
@IngenuousSoprano2 жыл бұрын
There was an attempt
@stephanbrunker2 жыл бұрын
There is some other video around that shows that part of the problem is that it is the other way round: They didn't want to actors "sing" playback, they made the audio recording while acting and walking around. And that made it a lot harder and because they aren't trained musical actors, they had to reprocess the voices so much.
@lyndemar2 жыл бұрын
Musical theater performer: “The song should be in character and continue telling the story.” Disney exec: “The notes are there.”
@laurast.martin2421 Жыл бұрын
The 1991 film was so magical to me as a child partially because of the amazing vocal performances! I learned how to sing from these classic Disney musicals. The new, robotic voices of today are a terrible tragedy, when there are still so many beautiful natural voices that deserve to be heard.
@d.carter2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Fil!
@gabrieleghut13442 жыл бұрын
I just love your analysis comparisons. Yes it doesn't sound right. I hear a more robotic sound with the overused auto tune. It would be nice to do that comparison with the new and the old West Side Story Film.
@sallyatticum2 жыл бұрын
Luke Evans sang on the BBC's Children in Need album, Got it Covered. It was quite a nice cover of "Smile." He has appeared in numerous musicals in the West End.
@Summeriz192 жыл бұрын
Hi Fil! I’m entertained and I learn each time you a share your love and knowledge of music , performance, and so many other aspects of this most important human expression! Thank You Fil!
@m.rubland67372 жыл бұрын
I love your channel, I learn so much about music.
@jrpggolf2 жыл бұрын
Anna Kendrick should have played Belle in the remake; I will die on that hill.
@carr07602 жыл бұрын
Ew, no. She is also not a strong singer. Super nasal, lots of autotune.
@karenbork7062 жыл бұрын
She would have been better
@ohger12 жыл бұрын
On the plus side, her actual voice has a pleasant tone to it...
@lindawall65042 жыл бұрын
As a nontrained person I CAN hear the difference and I almost HATE Auto tune. I WANT to hear a performers REAL Voice. IT is what makes them worth listening to.
@GordonHeaney2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis of a great example. Isolating the vocals really highlights the mechanised nature that can sometimes be hidden by the music
@TorToroPorco2 жыл бұрын
Lovely analysis, Fil’s demonstration of natural vocal subtleties is all one needs to hear to understand what auto tune removes and why it sounds unnatural. Emma and Fil would make quite the couple. Hopefully she sees this video, follows Fil and attends the livestreams (sadly the guitar is gone from the pick roulette).
@drewpall25982 жыл бұрын
TorToroPorco... That would be great if Emma Watson got in touch with Fil.
@lintollefsen7166 Жыл бұрын
The auto-tuned audio sounds 2 dimensional; the natural voice has the roundness of 3 dimensions. I love seeing the wave forms. They help me hear so much more.
@MightyJonE2 жыл бұрын
Fil doing Disney tunes - have I fallen into some kind of alternative reality?!? 😃 Hearing you sing alone, what a striking voice you’ve got - great tone! And yet another informative analysis! Btw, few days ago happened to hear Ringo Starr’s new single, a cover of Rock Around The Clock, on Vevo. I swear his vocal’s pitch-corrected, sounds far too clean. But I just can’t imagine an old-school musician such as Ringo using autotune or pitch correction - it’s an odd one
@kata76282 жыл бұрын
Given his age I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
@MightyJonE2 жыл бұрын
@@kata7628 And that’s another thing - he’s 80 apparently but looks maybe in his 40s max. He looks incredible for his age. Even from when he was young, his pitch was a little off, but his voice has character, is very distinctive, and that’s what always carried it to some extent. But still, if he has allowed his vocal to be pitch-corrected, I’ll be surprised - unless his tuning really has deteriorated
@DinaLydia2 жыл бұрын
Ringo's "Rock Around the Clock" not corrected IMO. I just listened and heard some flat notes, although my ears aren't the most sensitive. He always sang like that.
@lesapollock58952 жыл бұрын
You have a lovely voice.❤️
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@microcolonel2 жыл бұрын
WOW that original is also spot on. Every note that anchors a phrase is right on the money, without autotune; and when she is flat or sharp, it can be defended as a creative choice (or at least, a deliberate choice of take).
@james-he7xv2 жыл бұрын
Bro you’re a one man wrecking crew exposing the absurdity of auto tune, knowing you’re out there I’ll never dare use it again!
@wingsofpegasus2 жыл бұрын
😂
@andras888 Жыл бұрын
Dear Fil, I have been learning a great amount watching you. I admire your deep understanding and knowledge of music and beyond. Your speech is very clear to my to my non-native speaker american ears. Thank you for all of that! I'm thinking, is it possible that Emma's singing was so off, that the engineers had no choice but to correct it?
@wingsofpegasus Жыл бұрын
Quite possibly but hopefully not!
@christydethlefs98502 жыл бұрын
This is such a great video! I love Emma but I agree she doesn’t have a great voice. You are very good at explaining how music is more than notes, it’s emotional.
@TheMaxbrooks2 жыл бұрын
13:30 Paige is a little flat because she is Acting within her singing, her character is sad and she's conveying that by coming down a little "every morning just the same" is a sad line. She's probably doing it instictively which makes her singing even better dropping just that tiny bit to evoke emotion. Thanks for letting me notice and appreciate these details.
@DinkyInky22 жыл бұрын
What irritates me most about this is there are short movie clips that have her vocals without that dreadful robotic tuning, and while she's a bit breathy or short in phrases, it was her natural voice, very unpolished but deserved the option of being heard.
@twinkledink8812 жыл бұрын
Dude! Now you're taking on Disney Princesses. You got balls. 🤪😂
@hadriaca2 жыл бұрын
I think it says a lot that your voice, Fil, was much more pleasant to listen to than the auto-tune.
@Germantownrunner2 жыл бұрын
The Minister of Explaining Things has done it again. Fil, I LEARN from your music videos. You have opened up a whole new vista of exploration for me when it comes to listening to both recorded and live music. I know just enough to be dangerous now. But I'm looking forward to even more tutorials from you on pitch correction and auto tune. You deserve a pay raise! Thank you from the Washington, D.C., area!
@theesbband2 жыл бұрын
As always, this is a subject worth discussing. The clodhopping approach to both autotune and correction strips away much of the joy of people singing for ...joy! “Hold Tight” by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich was recorded in 97 minutes, with a five.part harmony. My daughter’s new single, Forget by Isobel Thatcher, was recorded in six hours, her vocals in 17 minutes. These correctives have a place for tired, unwell, edgy, wavering singers who need a leg-up, but not as a cure-all. Nice work, Fil: what you’re doing is of incalculable value. I’m really proud of you.😀, as are your very switched-on followers. Take a rest, but don’t stop! 😃Best, Tom T
@julissimo12 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Fil. I’m learning a lot with this series on auto tune.
@rhodayackez95702 жыл бұрын
Your analyst skills are superb. Thanks Fil.
@andreaphilippou48892 жыл бұрын
The excessive use of autotune throughout the 2017 adaptation is excruciating. I haven't met a single soul who prefers the 2017 adaptation to the 1991 animated masterpiece. Also: before watching this video, I got an ad for Auto-Tune Slice. I'm deceased.
@beepbopboop32212 жыл бұрын
I do think Disney should have hired a trained singer for Emma's role if they wanted her for the acting. It would have been better than autotune. The best performance in this movie was Audra Mcdonald. Speaking of musicals, you really should tackle Sierra Bogess and Phantom of the Opera!
@AnthonyKellett2 жыл бұрын
Luke Evans was indeed a trained singer. From Wikipedia: "At age 17, he moved to Cardiff where he studied with singing coach Louise Ryan. In 1997, he won a scholarship to London Studio Centre."
@KewAnneOn2 жыл бұрын
I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and it's now my favourite channel 👍🏼👏🏻