Is This The Biggest Upgrade In Wooden Beehive History?

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Is This The Biggest Upgrade In Wooden Beehive History?
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@sjnealeservices8549 2 жыл бұрын

Why not add the cork to a dummy board? You could remove two frames for the winter and add them back in the spring. I run on a brood and a half so would have to do that for both boxes. Great idea.

@MinnesotaBeekeeper 2 жыл бұрын

Lot of work and cost for less than a R-4 increase. With no clear way to seam/seal it. And a general rule for housing (heat rises) is to have three times as much insulation on the ceiling/roof compared to the walls. My 2 cents.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@glynisreynolds446 2 жыл бұрын

So glad you remembered to leave the ‘handles’, which I think is one of the best features. 👍👍 Sounds like a great idea 👏👏

@mytube8630 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea , using as an all year round system would save a lot of messing about in late autumn with the hives . Your right about having the opposite affect in the summer months . I’ve gone into airtight timber frame houses under construction on summer mornings and you would have to open windows or doors to heat them up . Temperature difference really noticeable. Will keep an eye on the Nuc you put in this hive and watch the series of videos you do on it with great interest . Thanks Laurence.

@stevemartin7660 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea, but could be improved by painting the outer cork boards white one side and black on the other. Swap them around summer/winter too improve heat transfer to suit the season.

@FloatingIdeasonanarrowboat Жыл бұрын

I think you've come up with a fantastic solution to hive insulation. Two questions: do you really think the bees would chew it or are you worried about them coming into contact with the cork? And do you think it might be possible to make boxes from scratch from thicker cork?

@nabooshaman6107 2 жыл бұрын

I look forward to seeing how this holds up. I recon frost will make it fall apart. I hope it doesn't though. I've just got hold of 2" polystyrene sheet (from under an old gym floor). I'm going to clad hives in that (plus some protective outer material). Me thinks, insulation is the way to go. More insulation means less condensation means less need for ventilation means less wasted heat means fewer winter stores consumed.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@g.morris570 2 жыл бұрын

What a neet experiment! I run Dadant Langstroths in Canada it us an odd size locally.. but you gave me an idea to use a dummy board with cork against to the outside. Your national looks sharp! I look forward to seeing your results on this hive!..

@bluelab5019 2 жыл бұрын

Where you've put the insulation on the outside I've put 25mm celotex and it's worked a treat.

@sinisterhipp0 2 жыл бұрын

Everything your saying about insulation is completely correct and cork is a fantastic alternative to poly. Inside the hive it can encourage propolis for a hygiene envelope around the colony.

@PinkettsHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting as cedar nationals. For this winter i have used top insulation, before that I didn’t use any so will be interesting to see how they fair when i can get in the hives towards the end of March. I was thinking of using 1” dummy boards to reduce the space and provide a bit of insulation but this method provides al round protection so i will be following this closely. Love the channel and Q&A sessions :)

@bengibbon9229 2 жыл бұрын

If it’s bee nibble resistant, I think I’ll make my dummy boards with cork sheet inserts.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

This is why I went down the Cladding route as I reckon they will be partial to a nibble

@CastleHives 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I never would have thought about Cork. Thanks for sharing.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

I'm excited to see how it goes! I've seen others do it and they swear by it! 😀

@beehinde 2 жыл бұрын

Brother Adam used cork for top insulation

@tonyfisher7374 9 ай бұрын

Great idea

@zetec52 2 жыл бұрын

Just a tip get a Riving Knife for your table saw, will help reduce risk of kick Back or parts flying.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

I had to take the riving knife off as it was making it even worse. Bl**dy thing. I hate using the table saw :(

@markw.5128 2 жыл бұрын

If a particular piece is nipping the blade knock in a wedge into the cut. I keep a few wedges handy all the time.

@sinisterhipp0 2 жыл бұрын

Cork over time will absorb rain in wet months on the outside. Wet insulation is worse than no insulation. I’m not sure if painting will stop or keep moisture in, you need to focus on the gaps on the edge. That’s why KINGSPAN is used it’s “closed cell” so it doesn’t absorb moisture like expanded polystyrene which is “open cell.”

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

I think I'm going to tweak the design to clad the outside with 3mm ply over the top just to ensure it remains dry and beneficial to the bees

@sinisterhipp0 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackMountainHoney FYI “Cork does absorb water. It’s impermeable but can resist water. It will soak in water and become weighty when you put it in water. However, cork has a reputation in the wine industry since it was used for making wine stoppers. People used it to make things water-resistant and slightly waterproof.”

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

@@sinisterhipp0 Like I said, on a horizontal face where it can sit, it will absorb and swell. I'd say on a vertical face it should resist it quite well

@m1nfy Жыл бұрын

Have you looked at expanded cork insulation board? It has better insulation properties than standard cork board that you have used in the video.

@stephenkay3941 2 жыл бұрын

I'm interested to see how this works. My concern is that I would think cork sheet is made with internal use in mind, so the adhesive in it might not hold up to getting damp and drying out several times. But good to see people trying out new ideas all the same. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

@won2winit 2 жыл бұрын

If you got your hands on some recording tech like broodminder you could use that to compare the retrofit with a poly hive performance

@barbersbees9834 2 жыл бұрын

This is a very good idea.

@sambrian3383 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea! Will be doing this with one my nationals next season. Thanks 👍🐝

@jaumecambra9648 2 жыл бұрын

Cork insulation is perfect, I use it between inner and telescopic cover here i mediterranean climate, even in winter and hot summer. Congratulations for such smart video!! You're genius 👏👏👏👏👏

@ThoseCrazyrivers 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, I think I may give this a go for the brood boxes............Have you seen the bee box adaptation created by Jim from Vinofarm?

@norfolkhoneybee273 2 жыл бұрын

Hope vid helps, listening back. Forgot how strong my norfolk accent was. Lol

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

It was amazing! Thanks so much :D Great tips for staying safe on the table saw

@eastsussexbeesandwildlife5801 2 жыл бұрын

That's a fantastic video and will certainly help me out. Presumably the external; cork can be painted? Hope your hives are well secured as storms are on the way. Looking forward to next live stream, the format is great.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter. I am going to clad the outside in either thin aluminum (which I have lying around) or 3mm ply just to help keep the moisture and birds out

@BlanchardsBees 2 жыл бұрын

I live in Southwest Iowa and it gets anywhere from 40°F/9°C to -20°F/-30°C in the winter and I never insulated and never have any problems. But I do use quilt boards to regulate moisture which will kill your bees faster than the cold.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

I always see insulation as a way of helping the bees. They can cope with severe cold, but its easier for them to regulate temperature when nicely insulated. Same applies in the summer - easier to keep the hive cool. The key is making sure the space above the cluster is the most insulated part to ensure condensation forms on the side walls and tracks out of the hive. Moisture boards are then not needed as all condensation has a downwards route out. I appreciate there are lots of different ways to control moisture/ventilation in the hive though. Not saying the way I do it is right, just providing detail as to why we do it

@GC987 2 жыл бұрын

Nice idea - look forward to seeing how you get on. Such a shame that the BS Honey Bees poly hive had such a short production run. It's a great product. Any chance of someone else buying the moulds and the rights of production and making them again ???

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@asadullahanfishi995 2 жыл бұрын

Smart! I am guessing more people will move to home made insulation because poly hives are just too much!

@joshuabarker5208 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have seen you upload a video in the past about a metal box used for keeping the smoker safe while moving from apiary to apiary, do you have a link to where I can buy one? Many thanks

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@boards.sailfish 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea will give it a try

@paulajones6366 2 жыл бұрын

Does the cork get damp on the outside and do you have to paint it?

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@98honeybees92 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@matthewbrain7885 2 жыл бұрын

I added Cork sheeting to my long hive roof and didn't last the season, it just broke up, I use 25mm celotex now and these pieces have lasted 6 years

@davidweale9621 2 жыл бұрын

we all love insulation.... sorry could not resist. What grain of cork would you suggest?

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Answered on live stream 17/02/22

@kearneyfamilylondon68 2 жыл бұрын

For the less handy Thornes make something similar which they call Shins I think.

@jwoodyr1 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Is rot and/or mold an issue when water gets between the cork sheets and the wood?

@bengibbon9229 2 жыл бұрын

Great question, was about to ask same thing

@pnkemp 2 жыл бұрын

Be interesting if it gets chewed by the bee, or taken by other critters for nesting material.

@houstonsheltonbees814 2 жыл бұрын

👍

@jeremybaker4979 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant idea. Should help with evening the erratic temperatures the bees are having to live with lately Have to find a way to do the same to langstroth.How much per sheet?

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Yes - should even things out. Be a tricky one on a lang system wouldnt it. Racking my brain

@markw.5128 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Laurence. Great idea. I had thoughf of this with foil foam insulation in the exterior recesses for over wintering as a general aid to heat loss. Queztion, does cork board absorb water? And does this affect its thermal properties? I think it is still a good improvement as oposed to nothing. 👍👍

@sinisterhipp0 2 жыл бұрын

Lol and there goes your hand holds. #Langstroth

@Wilson18Tutorials 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty cool idea, will definitely give this a go. Are you able to add the details of the cork supplier you spoke about in the video to the description? :)

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Here we go. In the description as well now. Cheers www.corkstore24.co.uk/shop/4-cork-board-sheets/

@Wilson18Tutorials 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackMountainHoney Awesome, thanks :D

@vaskoritsas8968 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the link. What grade of cork are you using?@@BlackMountainHoney

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

@@vaskoritsas8968 I went with the coarse grade at 20mm thick

@arturoward1 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Laurence, did you post the link to the Cork company you used ? I couldn’t see it, thank you

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Its in the video description..Cork24

@arturoward1 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackMountainHoney Thank you, and thank you for all your videos such a great learning resource 👍🏻

@neilbush9873 2 жыл бұрын

Does it absorb water ?if it does you've got the insulation of a wet sponge,hope im wrong.

@carterlindley3318 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic idea but doesn’t cork swell with to much moisture

@BlackMountainHoney 2 жыл бұрын

Its actually naturally resistant to water. You may get very minor swelling it it has standing water but these are all vertical faces so should last really well.

@carterlindley3318 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackMountainHoney I like it ! natural weather resistant something actually useful and Biodegradable glad you’re vids pop up just been making loads of national so you know what I’m doing next 😉