Is This the Future of Cross-Country?

Is This the Future of Cross-Country? | NEW Orbea Oiz

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Жыл бұрын

Orbea is the second notable brand to build their dedicated cross-country race bike, the Oiz, with 120mm of travel front and rear - 20mm more than the ‘average’ XC bike.
Despite suspension levels and geometry that would also suggest downcountry intentions, Orbea are resolute that this is still a race focussed rig.
The Oiz will be available in two grades of carbon, as well as an alloy model, with prices ranging from £2,999/$3,299 to £10,490/$10,490.
Does the additional travel help or hinder this Basque race bike? How much does the updated geometry play a part? Tom runs you through all that in this video, but before you go any further, please subscribe to the channel if you haven’t already.
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Пікірлер: 86

@lamalice0499 Жыл бұрын

Orbea becomes the new Santa Cruz with excellent bikes with good warranty ..made in Spain !

@Thatguy-gd5it Жыл бұрын

Yes, full video review!

@jmack8274 Жыл бұрын

Would definitely like to see the full review, it would be good actually to see how this compares to others with the same suspension design like the Santa Cruz, Spesh etc.

@KyleRobison-cv2dk 27 күн бұрын

This bike seems perfect for someone who wants to be decently competitive in the occasional XC race and still have a bike they can do some light to medium trail riding with for fun. Would be perfect on the local trails here in CO Springs.

@bikeradar 24 күн бұрын

Great to hear, thanks for commenting! ~ Will

@amitkumar-wj8gn Жыл бұрын

Fjallraven...Nice touch, Tom. :)

@jmendez73 Жыл бұрын

Yes please full review, and include the Aluminum versions too! Thanks for the video!

@williammorris6097 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I'd care about a full review from BR since this was nothing but a youtuber channel attending a press release trip to Spain to ride the bike. Seems more like a commercial for Orbea rathern an unbiased review. But then again don't bite the hand that feeds you eh? I do like the bike but am not interested in watching a long version commercial.

@jrramos1335 Жыл бұрын

For me, Rock Shox sid 32 120mm, perfect!

@Chogie14 Жыл бұрын

It's jumped to the top of the wishlist

@michal.kwiatek Жыл бұрын

I would love to see full review.

@frienduro24 Жыл бұрын

120/120 is interesting for Race. The Scott Spark RC is the same 120/120, but relies heavily on using the twin lock. I just don’t see the need. WC are still being won with smaller bikes. Lux, Super Caliber, Epic...ect

Жыл бұрын

WC are won by people riding those bikes ;)

@michakoodziejczyk5976 Жыл бұрын

Full review, please!

@hdiniz106 Жыл бұрын

Full review and comparison with old model as well as competitors please

@XCRiders Жыл бұрын

I have 2020 m team tr version very fast they have a unique geometry 435,74°,68° short reach but they spec them with a longer stem. I’m at the top of size L so I Opted a 90mm stem rather then standard 70mm fits like a glove.

@buildingreno Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! the Team tr Version. You must be a beast! LOL

@XCRiders Жыл бұрын

@@buildingreno pretty fast for 58 year old

@Jean-jk4zv Жыл бұрын

Got the 22 TR and use it with a short stem and raised bar as a light trail bike 🥰 loving it

@autokanada Жыл бұрын

Looks almost like my 2021 Cannondale Scalpel SE

@ivunag Жыл бұрын

Did the fact that the head angle is now slacker by 2 degrees isn't hurting its climbing efficiency in your opinion and experience?

@cristiansanchez6569 Жыл бұрын

Let’s see the full review.

@NunoJoel Жыл бұрын

With these prices brands are killing themselves . We just need to wait they don't sell thousands of units and go bankrupt ~

@Alex-md6bu Жыл бұрын

The cost of this bike is high, but it is also inline with cost of increasing freight, fuel and components if you adjust from 4-5 years ago. Blaming bike companies for costs outside their control is pretty silly

@hockeyiscanada Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-md6bu believing the bike industry isn't a scam is silly also lol

@1956432 Жыл бұрын

10k for a bike is silly. There’s no reason it costs that amount to build a bicycle. I don’t care what components come on it. You can buy a new motorcycle cheaper.

@Amphibax Жыл бұрын

So just don't buy and stop wasting time by complaning

@flow2tech Жыл бұрын

@@1956432go ride motorcycles i guess.

@KillaForceCrew Жыл бұрын

The Future is NOW!

@coldforgedcowboy Жыл бұрын

@BikeRadar... The problem with Orbea Oiz is that it is a drop link suspension bike where the link functions to hold the shock up and its adds a little bit of lateral stiffness. Bicycle companies like drop link suspension bikes becausae they are easy to design and manufacter. From an engineering point of view drop link bikes are not as good as swing link bikes such as the Specialized Epic, Canyon Lux, and Cannondale Scapel for the following reaons. 1) Swing link bikes have pedaling platform in the inital part of the rear suspenion travel which allows the rear shock to be run at a lower pressure which allows for a more supple mid stroke and end stroke suspension feel while offereing good bicyce acceleration in and out of the saddle without lockout. 2.) Swing link bike offer better latteral and torosional stiffness as the link is better positioned to offer effective stiffness.

@yuriivorobei5901 Жыл бұрын

You are right, such bikes as Canyon Lux, Lux Trail, Lapierre XM have a sufficient susp. progression around the sag point because they've been designed with the pedalling efficiency goal at the first place, especially if you need accelerate on the streight. This approach however has a backyard. Such bikes tend to goat at the corners and bumpy terrain loosing the traction, and they feel less confident at the descending in comparison with more linear suspension. But it seems that the Orbea an Scott with their Spark have found a way how to defeat two targets with one shoot. They design frame with linear susp. behavior by default but with two different modes for the rear shock instead. In the first mode the shock is fully open but in the second it becomes much more tight. Sure, Orbea an Scott use different approaches to implement this, I mean proprietary Nude shock with two air cameras. But the idea is the same. Moreover, maybe you accidentally noticed that now Fox offers 3-position remote with open mode adjustment for their Factory 34 SC fork. If they also make remote version of shock which allows user adjust the middle position behavior, they'll allow any bike brand to make a versatile XC/DC bikes just with stock suspension components. A guess this is the direction we will see in the next few years.

@smuy3782 Жыл бұрын

Whether the link swings from the top or bottom makes no difference to the suspension kinematic. It's the pivot placement and length that defines the arc those links take that makes the difference. Same thing could be achieved via the top or bottom. Just depends on the brands choice of packaging and aesthetics.

@sillytorque Жыл бұрын

Great armchair engineering theory..... but they have a few podiums under their belt so I'm going to say it's more than capable for mere mortals....

@coldforgedcowboy Жыл бұрын

@@sillytorque... That is more due to the riders then the bike. A good rider can can make up for a bicycles short comings.

@MrLEGIONARY1977 Жыл бұрын

Hei, monobloc bearings can be pressed or screwed into the frame?

@mrshadow8244 Жыл бұрын

Orbea Spark RC :) .. But it is not bad, scott spark is maybe the best XC bike on the market. And Orbea has also gorgeous bikes.

Жыл бұрын

Spark is great for Factory teams. That hidden damper is BS to maintain for normal user...

@johnlesoudeur3653 4 ай бұрын

@Hardly, undo 3 bolts and it comes out. Being "hidden" keeps it clean. I own a Scott Spark Pro and have stripped and rebuilt it without any problems.

@basengelblik5199 Жыл бұрын

The linkage is heavier, but stiffer.

@laupe2347 Жыл бұрын

LOL, i always laugh when someone reviews an xc bike and say that they run low pressures and then its 20+ PSI, i am about the same weight and i run 15-16 psi with about the same wheel setup. Nice review tho!

@myfrequencies1912 Жыл бұрын

You talk about the squid lock & mention it controls "3 damping positions of the shock" & "2 damping positions" of the fork. The 2022 fox 34 step cast has three positions (including closed). The remote which comes with the 34 step cast is described as "3 position". Is there a mistake in your report, or is it possible to operate the fork as a 2 position set up rather than 3? Does the remote infact determine this?

@michiganstate149 Жыл бұрын

The remote ehas 3 positions. The fork might only have 2. The damper is the limiter in this equation. Some of the fox forks are 2 pos and some are 3. So on the 2 you might have 2 of the 3 clicks being open or close and the other one the opposite.

@myfrequencies1912 Жыл бұрын

@@michiganstate149 @Ray Macko i have bought a remote lockout 34 step cast & can confirm it has.... basically only one fixed position: closed! Other than that, the dial on top of the damper is infinitely adjustable. No clicks, no stops (until fully open). This means it can be run with a 2 or 3 pos. remote, & as i suspected it is the remote & not the damper which determines the number of positions.

@derekwalsh4583 10 ай бұрын

what is the assembled length ?

@shredntread9600 Жыл бұрын

Can you fit a regular Rekon 2.4 tire on the rear? Looks like there are tight tolerances there..

@laupe2347 Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@yoavmiller216 Жыл бұрын

@@laupe2347 Maybe this new model. Former ones with more than 2.3 and some mud at the back and it could get a little nasty.

@laupe2347 Жыл бұрын

@@yoavmiller216 I've ran 2.35 on the 2020 model and 2.4 on the 2022 model without problems. 2021+ model is rated for 2.4 tires by maxxis

@laxplaysu91 Жыл бұрын

I'm skeptical on the 10.4kg weight claim. Is that with pedals and cages?

@laupe2347 Жыл бұрын

I think it's the weight out of the box, tubeless setup

@alejandromoranbarroso5494 Жыл бұрын

The frame is just 1740gr. So is very light indeed.

@laxplaysu91 Жыл бұрын

@@alejandromoranbarroso5494 yeah it weights the same as the 2022 frame

@Jean-jk4zv Жыл бұрын

it's real mine is 10.5 kg with pedals size L. (DT Swiss X1900)

@Foen69 Жыл бұрын

0:05 can anyone tell me what color combination the gray and white have?

@Jean-jk4zv 3 ай бұрын

gray and white

@gweflj Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the regressive leverage rate is not ideal.

@buildingreno Жыл бұрын

The price of that test bike is just stupid! The price of the team bike is even more stupid. Why do we talk about team bikes or bikes on the tours...we are not professionals...they don't have to pay for the bikes....so why even mention them. This would've been a good review if it was focused on the $3200-$4500 options. Mere mortals are hard pressed to push the limits of a $3200 bike. I know... I know... if people want to pay a crazy amount for a bike that's their business. But, all of the content we see is on the top or near top spec bikes... so there's NO CONFIDENCE in the bikes at the entry end of the spectrum. Tell me why, Every 45-50 year old on the trails really needs FOX 36 forks, XX1 drive train and carbon rims? What a joke! It would be so great to see quality content produced on bikes that make sense for the people that get out and ride a few times each week. If there was a little joy and affection shown to a good $3000 bike that performs really well and won't let you down.

@vslacorreia Жыл бұрын

The purpose of the $10000 bike is to make the $3000 cheap. Every industry nowadays does this shit.

@buildingreno Жыл бұрын

@@vslacorreia if you take a look at a $3000 to $4000 bike it's pretty easy to see where the $$ goes. They are good bikes that take a hell of a beating. The fact that $8000 to $12000 are constantly showcased on all of the media channels has warped most people's idea of what a quality bike is. Like I said before this has skewed the confidence of the consumers. I agree it is shitty.

@vslacorreia Жыл бұрын

@@buildingreno I live in Brazil. The minimum wage here is $255. We have 60% taxes to this bikes. So, the minimum wage is $255 and the team bike is $19200. That´s 75 wages. On a bike. So, I always buy a $3000 - $4000 bike second hand, for $2500 - $3500. That´s the best strategy. Upgrades? Never.

@yoavmiller216 Жыл бұрын

Agree completely. Bought the alloy version with a fox32 and deore groupset. That's all my sorry 53 year old ass needs. Problem is no one looks at a review for that. We just sit on the saddle and decide for ourselves. It seems like reviewers are in the business of telling us why We all should lick store front windows even if we will never buy what's there. In other words, a 3000 thousand price tag is a bit ridiculous itself in a way, but that's where a 10000 and above one comes in handy to make Us complain a little less. It would be interesting to see what chunk of the company's earnings is actually coming from 'fantasy' prices. I'll bet ya it is a very small portion, even within the category.

@TomMarvin1 Жыл бұрын

@@yoavmiller216 Thanks for the comment. A couple of notes - on a bike launch, we don't get to choose the model we ride, and 99% of the time, it's the top or 2nd top level bike we're provided (as here). When we do get to choose bikes to test (for our magazine or website) we rarely ask for the top model, instead trying to pick bikes that hit a price point (whether that's sub-£1000, £3000, or whatever), or feature interesting tech or niches (in which case pricing is more fluid). Companies vary as to where their main income comes from, however our research *suggests* most people's next bike will either be in the £1000-£2000 range, or the £6000+ range i.e. relatively 'budget' bikes bough outright, or top-spec bikes bought on credit. How true this is obviously varies wildly, on a broad range of indices, so don't quote me on that haha Finally, if you're not in the market for this specific bike, but enjoy watching bike news/reviews, then the price of the bike likely matters less, and many people love a bit of bling - its why programs such as Top Gear focus on fast/luxury cars, rather than a mid-spec Ford Focus! We do, where possible, review bikes from a wide range of prices - and if I'm honest, I would love to go on a launch where mid-spec or entry level bikes are offered for test - sadly, this very, very rarely happens. If I am able to get an Oiz in the UK, I would be aiming to test a model at a cheaper price point.

@marksandoval5361 Жыл бұрын

I keep hoping that some bike company will make a truly progressive geometry XC bike with something like a 77* STA and 65-64* HTA. I've gotten used to riding progressive geo Trailbikes and now when I test ride XC bikes they feel lacking to me. I prefer the added stability that longer bikes provide.

@shaun1900 Жыл бұрын

so you want an XC bike that handles shit in the twisty stuff and is rubbish on technical climbs.

@marksandoval5361 Жыл бұрын

@@shaun1900 My All-Mountain Stumpjumper Evo has the above progressive geo and performs very well in the twisty stuff. In addition, it climbs better than my older XC Specialized Epic.

@shaun1900 Жыл бұрын

@@marksandoval5361 100% it doesn't climb better than a current model epic and would be drastically slower everwhere the Epic is designed to be ridden. 2 people in the group I ride with own both current models at S-Works and Pro specs of each, and hands down, the epic is a far better climber, by 15-20%% or so, according to one conversation I had.

@yoavmiller216 Жыл бұрын

@@marksandoval5361 Still, You probably wouldn't get into an xc race with it.

@spin2win721 Жыл бұрын

Cool now put it against a gravel bike on a road/gravel ride and a XC course.

@frienduro24 Жыл бұрын

Trail and Enduro bikes are getting bigger and slacker. That said, XC word cups are won on the climbs. Time will tell.

@stuarthawkins4482 Жыл бұрын

At that price I bloody hope not. 😂

@Thatguy-gd5it Жыл бұрын

There's always Chinese or Taiwanese made.

@shanewiseman5729 Жыл бұрын

Just get a carbon xc hardtail and send it like a man.

@goodeggnogg7038 Жыл бұрын

XC should always be HT!

@LongbranchOlivetti Жыл бұрын

No, no it isn't. For me an XC bike is all about climbing. Descending always comes second to that. A full sus is never going to get anywhere close to my Bianchi hardtail build at 9KG, so I will happily drop you on the climbs thank you very much.

@bohouss3622 9 ай бұрын

You are wrong... mine 5 years old spark NINO is 9,1 (100/100) / 9,6 with AXS reverb, and I am about to build a new OIZ/ARC8 which will be attacking 8kg (110/120) easily...